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December 13, 2013, 02:28:00 AM
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Hello guys,

As most of the people here I got really interested by mastercoin features in the recent months, however the google doc "order book" is not an very simple solution to trade mastercoin, and I feel that neither is the buymastercoin website which for many reason seems like the official recommended solution.

Thats why we have started developing an "real" exchange (where people can set up their own prices) for mastercoins / bitcoins which should be ready hopefully in a few days. Most of the development is done and we are just testing the system right now. So until the distributed exchange is there we will be offering a convenient way to trade mastercoin, hopefully helping in the price discovery process and proposing a fairer price than the current easy to use solutions.

Ps : I am not in any way related to the mastercoin fundation or do have any mastercoin. Also note that we are doing this project outside of any official mastercoin bounty.

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a question: how can we know we can safely transfer funds to your exchange?
Are you going to leave some BTC as escrow here?
There were just too many horror stories lately...
 


I agree with this. He should send Maxmint some BTC so we have some kind of security you wont leave with our MSC or BTC.
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December 13, 2013, 05:02:59 AM
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Hello guys,

As most of the people here I got really interested by mastercoin features in the recent months, however the google doc "order book" is not an very simple solution to trade mastercoin, and I feel that neither is the buymastercoin website which for many reason seems like the official recommended solution.

Thats why we have started developing an "real" exchange (where people can set up their own prices) for mastercoins / bitcoins which should be ready hopefully in a few days. Most of the development is done and we are just testing the system right now. So until the distributed exchange is there we will be offering a convenient way to trade mastercoin, hopefully helping in the price discovery process and proposing a fairer price than the current easy to use solutions.

Ps : I am not in any way related to the mastercoin fundation or do have any mastercoin. Also note that we are doing this project outside of any official mastercoin bounty.

Thank god someone is finally doing this.
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The foundation should have done it in parallel since day 1, at least lobby Cryptsy/Bter etc to add MSC too. The latter is happening now btw...

Please tell us more!
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December 13, 2013, 05:39:52 AM
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Hello guys,

As most of the people here I got really interested by mastercoin features in the recent months, however the google doc "order book" is not an very simple solution to trade mastercoin, and I feel that neither is the buymastercoin website which for many reason seems like the official recommended solution.

Thats why we have started developing an "real" exchange (where people can set up their own prices) for mastercoins / bitcoins which should be ready hopefully in a few days. Most of the development is done and we are just testing the system right now. So until the distributed exchange is there we will be offering a convenient way to trade mastercoin, hopefully helping in the price discovery process and proposing a fairer price than the current easy to use solutions.

Ps : I am not in any way related to the mastercoin fundation or do have any mastercoin. Also note that we are doing this project outside of any official mastercoin bounty.

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Centralized exchanges will probably stick around even after the decentralized exchange comes out, because they'll offer a lot faster order fulfillment for people like day-traders. Plus, they'll be able to integrate with the distributed exchange.

Hi there,

Just taking a quick break to answer a few questions about the exchange DarkEmi and I are working on.

The exchange will be a new one dedicated to BTC / MSC trading exclusively for now.

We hope this few things will help you trust us: our names are no secret, we are operating BTCOracle.com for almost a year now, making combined payouts of 1000+ bitcoins and our main focus is on security and safety of users' funds. We already worked hard to make this project a reality and I'm sure everyone will see it's far from a cheap attempt to grab a few coins and run. We're in it for the long run. If you're still not convinced, I'm sure the return on experience from our first users will.

To ensure a sustainable business model, we'll charge fees on trades, as most exchanges do.
Since the MSC ecosystem is still a bit young, and we want to limit every potential risk of a theft, all withdrawals will be processed by hand to begin with. Once more tools become available, we'll automate more and more. To prevent the risk of being overwhelmed by lots of small withdrawal requests, we'll also charge a small fixed fee for each withdrawal.

Ultimately, we hope to offer an easy, secure and cheap way to buy and sell MSC until the distributed exchange is fully operational. We love the idea of Mastercoin and want to bring our small contribution to help make it all it can be.

With the help of the community, I'm confident this can be a nice tool for Mastercoin.

All advices and questions are welcomed.




Hey there this is addressed to -DarkEmi or anybody else intending to build a centralized exchange for Mastercoin to help market liquidity.
I have been following Mastercoin ever since I saw the video about JR talking about the second bitcoin whitepaper earlier this year, I even contacted him to introduce myself on linkedin. I believed in the project and I still do, it was a no-brainer for me so I invested heavily in it.  Also with a little vision, I knew that centralized exchanges would be critical as initial support while the decentralized exchange application was still in development. It might even continue to be useful as ongoing support or as a source for information for new users finding out about Mastercoin in general. In light of that point of view I decide to establish the following web properties with the intent of building a nice guified node.js centralized application:

http://www.trademastercoin.com/
http://www.trademastercoins.com/
https://twitter.com/Trademastercoin
http://www.linkedin.com/company/trademastercoin
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trademastercoin/494568007306146?ref=bf

Benefits
1) The branding is uniform across the board. Making discovery and memorization easy
2) The names works well from a branding /search discovery combination, this translates to more and more perpetually free traffic as Mastercoin becomes more popular.

Current Specifics on SEO:
1) Exact match domains for the keywords "trade mastercoin" or "trademastercoin" will make it pretty easy to maintain top position on the first page of google for a popular search term, this means free perpetual traffic
2) currently page rank no 4 for keyword discovery : "trade mastercoin"--this can be improved with little seo work.
3) http://www.trademastercoin.com/ and all social media pages are ranked on the first page of google for the keyword:  "trademastercoin" (no spaces).

Check both keywords in 2 and 3 against the url using this tool : http://whatpageofsearchamion.com

So to the right buyer, I will give away the domain and all social media pages:

http://www.trademastercoin.com/
http://www.trademastercoins.com/
https://twitter.com/Trademastercoin
http://www.linkedin.com/company/trademastercoin
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trademastercoin/494568007306146?ref=bf
Ill even throwing a freebie domain if satisfied with the offer:
http://www.sellmybitcoin.com/

All these purchases where made with the intent of developing centralized services for Mastercoin, but my focus has shifted to development of decentralized applications (exchange /gaming), so holding on to them when someone could put them to better use does not make any sense. The right thing to do is to offer them to someone at the right price. Please PM me with your questions if you have any or best offers. Will be accepting either Mastercoin or bitcoin for these properties. i'll will give you an email to contact me at these domains to prove that I do own them. Thanks.

Nxter,Bitcoiner,Ether highlevel developer working to improve the world.
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December 13, 2013, 10:54:22 AM
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Hello Ola,

We are not really interested right now. Maybe at a later time.

Thanks for your proposition thought !

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December 13, 2013, 01:40:05 PM
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Please change my buy order to 200 MSC @0.12 BTC, thanks.
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December 13, 2013, 01:43:08 PM
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Selling 100 msc @ 0.14
please add to order book, thanks.
Please change my buy order to 200 MSC @0.12 BTC, thanks.
Order book updated.

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December 13, 2013, 02:34:25 PM
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Hi maxmint, due to recent developments, please remove my sell entry from the order book.

Thanks!
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December 13, 2013, 02:42:14 PM
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Hi maxmint, due to recent developments, please remove my sell entry from the order book.

Thanks!
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December 13, 2013, 02:43:10 PM
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Hello Ola,

We are not really interested right now. Maybe at a later time.

Thanks for your proposition thought !

Emilien

lol.  Cracks me up how many times domain name squatters think the whole key to a business is some dumb name and a bit of SEO.  Too bad building a real business involves about 5000 other things more complex than domain name registration.  It reminds me of those people who print up fancy business cards - and then do nothing else.  lol.  

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December 13, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
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We will try to do it every 24hours at least, but it could sometimes take 48h.

Keep in mind that we will actually store the coins in an offline computer, so thats why the process will be slow, but much much safer than an automated online hot wallet.

So I don't necessarly think that faster is safer. If history is a good example, most of the exchanges that have been hacked were actually using instant-withdrawals hot wallets which allowed them to be wiped very fast. I also think many hacks were probably insider theft but thats another story as well.

Also, in case your account gets hacked (which should not be the case if you use 2FA), this leave you with ample time to see that someone ordered a withdraw from your account and to contact us.

For us it seems like the safest approach and thats what is our priority.

I'd love to see an exchange but 24 to 48 hours is way too long. Too much opportunity for rehypothecation and float of customer funds. Any chance of allowing small, say 1 BTC instant withdrawals and getting larger withdrawals down to a couple of hours?
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December 13, 2013, 06:22:13 PM
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Well we'll evolve the website after the launch. We'll probably automate small bitcoin withdrawals at a later date.

I do not really see what we could do with the user funds, even if we wanted.
The "rehypothecation" opportunity does not seem like an opportunity to us, why would we ever want to use customers funds ? It is not ours in the first place and the fee should already provide us with an income.

But in any case, your suggestion is noted and we will try to do it once we get the chance.

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December 13, 2013, 08:39:32 PM
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Maybe as an interim measure there could be a specified time period during which trading with immediate deposits and withdrawals is available. Also, any chance Protoshares (PTS) will be available. Posting a bond with Maxmint would help to back up the delayed withdrawals, but it does lock up the funds from being available for other trading. I just don't really see a need for a 24-48 hour delay all the time.
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December 13, 2013, 10:45:32 PM
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I suppose you've already done some Mastercoin transaction yourself. As it is somehow experimental right now, we do not want to rush a tool for automated transactions in mastercoins and would rather wait for an official command line tool instead.

regarding bitcoins, we will try & automate once we are 100% confident in the robustness of our product. thanks for your suggestions.

Deposit should be pretty fast however as this pose absolutly no security issue. Deposits should be registered as soon as they are confirmed in the blockchain.

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December 14, 2013, 12:51:15 AM
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bought privately earlier today, please remove my bid at 0.115

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December 14, 2013, 01:22:34 AM
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My sell request has been filled & I won't be selling any more for now, thanks guys Smiley

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December 14, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
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Please remove my sell order from order book.

Thanks. Cool
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December 14, 2013, 02:18:49 AM
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Please add a buy order for 10 MSC @ .12 BTC each. Thanks.
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December 14, 2013, 07:42:05 AM
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I suppose you've already done some Mastercoin transaction yourself. As it is somehow experimental right now, we do not want to rush a tool for automated transactions in mastercoins and would rather wait for an official command line tool instead.

regarding bitcoins, we will try & automate once we are 100% confident in the robustness of our product. thanks for your suggestions.

Deposit should be pretty fast however as this pose absolutly no security issue. Deposits should be registered as soon as they are confirmed in the blockchain.

I was really focused on timely Bitcoin withdrawals, can understand why Mastercoin warrants a lengthier, more cautious approach for now.
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December 14, 2013, 09:18:07 AM
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Please add my sell order: 50 MSC @ 0.1450. I will consider selling less than 50 MSC at a time. 
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December 14, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
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I just don't really see a need for a 24-48 hour delay all the time.

Please keep in mind that 24-48h is a "worst case scenario". This is because we are a small team and to ensure your funds protection, not to profit from you.
In most case I'm confident the withdrawals should be processed in under a few hours. That being said, we have to sleep and rest sometimes so we'd rather warn our customers beforehand so they don't feel betrayed.
You can ask anyone using btcoracle.com, we value our users's satisfaction greatly and try to always be very quick to react.

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