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January 08, 2014, 07:58:18 PM
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Something isn't right. Because saying you need 1500btc to cover your taxes sounds fishy.
But the tax reason sounds fishy, unless he owes more than $1 million in taxes. Which could be true, but I highly doubt.
He also said before that he wasn't going to sell a single MSC until 0.7, and that was a couple months ago.
Yeah, to me too.  Nobody who has a real job actually gets paid enough to have a $1million tax bill.  Maybe his rich uncle just died and left a shitload of capital gains in his lap.  Who knows.  Either way, Exodus buyers should have been forced into a 'lock-out' scheme to prevent this kind of market crash.  

For example the top 20 buyers should have been limited to MSC sales of no more than 2% of their holdings.  Founders who take early profits on project excitement - completely destroy the project.  In this thinly traded market - the problem of large founder dumps is multiplied by a large number.  

Can we retroactively enforce some 'lock-out' plan?  In view of JR's biased position, can we have the board consider this?

I don't think the lock-out plan would be fair to anyone who invested some of their real money into a high-risky project. The project was first only a paper and we sent our money to the exodus address, believing it would someday bring us much more profit than we could imagine. We also understood that the investment could fail and we could not get our money back. Given all the risks we took, it is unfair as well as illegitimate now to set up any plan to keep us from doing anything we want with our investment.
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January 08, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
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I'm not checking this tread often, but I see now that a bubble is about to burst. I am still interested to invest 300+ btc in the project as a long term investment. So let me know when price will drop bellow 0.08 btc. Wink

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January 08, 2014, 08:13:41 PM
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I'm not checking this tread often, but I see now that a bubble is about to burst. I am still interested to invest 300+ btc in the project as a long term investment. So let me know when price will drop bellow 0.08 btc. Wink
Not gonna happen until probably tomorrow or Friday.  Be patient.
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January 08, 2014, 08:13:49 PM
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There are actually a lot of reasons, but the biggest is my wife. I would have been full-time on MSC a LONG time ago, but she is very risk adverse. I've posted about this many times before. I need to show her this is REAL and not just "magic internet money"

why she did not buy like 100BTC for 1000$ last year and got his own wallet ?
Let me guess, because she didnt believed on this thing named bitsomthing ?

But now you're a millionaire, it's ok to jeopardise a nice project ?
Honestly, how many bitcoin you'd have if you had listened her

NEVER listen a women about money and risk.

C'mon tell me i'm wrong, please

Remember me Eric dumping 100K satoshiDice shares...

Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone.
it has lots of buttery taste..
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January 08, 2014, 09:10:32 PM
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David sent another potential large buyer my way:

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:35 AM, David Johnston <> wrote:
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    J.R.,

    Let me introduce you to --------- an investor I want you to connect with who has an interest in purchasing MSC from you.

    ----------,

    This email is a good way to connect with J.R.

    I'll let you two take it from here.

    Best Regards,

       David A. Johnston Entrepreneur / Angel Investor

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Thanks David, and hi ------!

I personally use the armory wallet to store my mastercoins, but that is less user-friendly (you have to do some extra work to send mastercoins from a regular bitcoin wallet). However, I feel it is more secure than any other client at the moment for very large quantities of bitcoin (or bitcoin-derived currency like Mastercoin)

I'm currently quoting these prices:

    0.2 BTC/MSC for most orders under 100 BTC (0.19 for one guy who was close to 100 BTC)
    0.18 BTC/MSC for a couple orders right at 100 BTC
    0.17 BTC/MSC for a couple orders around 1000 MSC

I'll probably stick to those prices unless the price moves significantly away from 0.2 BTC/MSC and stays there for awhile. You can also buy mastercoin on the exchanges, but volume isn't very high there and anything but a tiny order moves the price a lot.

Let me know Smiley

Thanks!

-J.R.

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January 08, 2014, 09:18:17 PM
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J.R - i think we got the point.
you are honorable and trustworthy that's why we are all invested in this project.
we believe that you will chose your buyers wisely.
Just update at the end when it's all good and done.
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January 08, 2014, 11:09:01 PM
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Man, you guys are all just one big jittery lot!  Crazy price swings in two days.  Who are the guys with NO confidence?  One negative word and then SELL!!!

I guess that is a result of cyrptocurrency Pump and Dump mentality.  So much pump and dump game going on.  Everyone tries to rush the exit faster than the others.  First indicator of a dump coming and everyone goes nuts.  Hilarious. 

Didn't anyone bother to think the protocol is still good and the coders are still working hard?  That doesn't matter - only thing that matters is beating your neighbor out the exit!!!  Run!!!! 

Fucking awesome discounts - I'll take them.
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January 09, 2014, 01:41:37 AM
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:38 PM, <major bitcoin entrepreneur> wrote:

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    Hi guys,

    Heard there is a block out there, any price target ?

    ------

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Hey ------!

Here's my post about this: http://www.reddit.com/r/mastercoin/comments/1uo0ft/buy_mastercoins_directly_from_jr_founder_of/

Current prices:

    0.2 BTC/MSC for most orders under 100 BTC (0.19 for one guy who was close to 100 BTC)
    0.18 BTC/MSC for a couple orders right at 100 BTC
    0.17 BTC/MSC for a couple orders around 1000 MSC


Buyers are lining up. Smiley Thanks!

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January 09, 2014, 01:47:10 AM
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Sorry to send the market bouncing around guys! Most of you seem to get what is going on here, but for those who have any question about my commitment to the project, here is a clarification I just posted on reddit:

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Edit:

I'm sorry that the post above did not adequately convey my excitement to get a chance to work on Mastercoin full-time! Ripper is completely correct in his posts below. I have taken a lot of criticisim for not diversifying in the past, and now I am finally doing so, with the added benefit of getting to work on my passion full-time.

As for the concern that people would dump coins on the market and then try to buy them back cheaply from me, I will not sell in such a situation. The price would have to stay down for a long time before I would accept it as a new market equilibrium. I'm very sensitive to the lack of volume on our exchanges, so I'm prepared to wait a long time for the right buyer(s) to come along. There will be no "dumping".

Please keep in mind that this is only a tiny fraction of the Mastercoins I have, and the ONLY reason I'm selling them is to pay pressing bills and get more time in on Mastercoin. I am so excited to be a part of this, and I MUST get more involved!

Thanks!
if you set the price 0.17 ,then the market price will never be higher than 0.17 ,peopel will buy from the market not from you. and selling Behavior also make some  people to keep away from msc .what you should do is giving good news ,attract more people in msc. when the markt is large enough , you can easily sell your msc on the market .
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January 09, 2014, 02:18:59 AM
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I have 500 MSC going @ 0.15 btc/msc. This is far below JR'S sell price and market price vs volume. Anyone serious about getting in on the mastercoin project at an excellent price, this is your opportunity. PM me to arrange a trade.

Care to post here your address so that this 500 MSC amount could be verified?


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January 09, 2014, 02:35:40 AM
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:38 PM, <major bitcoin entrepreneur> wrote:

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    Hi guys,

    Heard there is a block out there, any price target ?

    ------

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Hey ------!

Here's my post about this: http://www.reddit.com/r/mastercoin/comments/1uo0ft/buy_mastercoins_directly_from_jr_founder_of/

Current prices:

    0.2 BTC/MSC for most orders under 100 BTC (0.19 for one guy who was close to 100 BTC)
    0.18 BTC/MSC for a couple orders right at 100 BTC
    0.17 BTC/MSC for a couple orders around 1000 MSC


Buyers are lining up. Smiley Thanks!
hope you finish quickly,the early you finish ,the early  the market be saved
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January 09, 2014, 02:45:46 AM
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I have 500 MSC going @ 0.15 btc/msc. This is far below JR'S sell price and market price vs volume. Anyone serious about getting in on the mastercoin project at an excellent price, this is your opportunity. PM me to arrange a trade.

Care to post here your address so that this 500 MSC amount could be verified?

How would that verify anything? I could post anyone's address.

I've made trades for 100's of msc with others from this thread. If anyone is interested in a trade I have references and we can always use an escrow agent.

It could help a great deal. You post your address here and say we wanna do the trade. You can send a tiny amount from that address to prove your are indeed the owner. Amount could be sent to another address of yours, doesn't matter. But it could be easily verified.

So wanna post your address? Otherwise one could argue you don't have the coins or you just wanna crash the price with a fake sale so you can buy some cheap coins.


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January 09, 2014, 02:50:25 AM
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Sorry to send the market bouncing around guys! Most of you seem to get what is going on here, but for those who have any question about my commitment to the project, here is a clarification I just posted on reddit:

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Edit:

I'm sorry that the post above did not adequately convey my excitement to get a chance to work on Mastercoin full-time! Ripper is completely correct in his posts below. I have taken a lot of criticisim for not diversifying in the past, and now I am finally doing so, with the added benefit of getting to work on my passion full-time.

As for the concern that people would dump coins on the market and then try to buy them back cheaply from me, I will not sell in such a situation. The price would have to stay down for a long time before I would accept it as a new market equilibrium. I'm very sensitive to the lack of volume on our exchanges, so I'm prepared to wait a long time for the right buyer(s) to come along. There will be no "dumping".

Please keep in mind that this is only a tiny fraction of the Mastercoins I have, and the ONLY reason I'm selling them is to pay pressing bills and get more time in on Mastercoin. I am so excited to be a part of this, and I MUST get more involved!

Thanks!
if you set the price 0.17 ,then the market price will never be higher than 0.17 ,peopel will buy from the market not from you. and selling Behavior also make some  people to keep away from msc .what you should do is giving good news ,attract more people in msc. when the markt is large enough , you can easily sell your msc on the market .

So you are encouraging pump and dump here?

I will never complain JR selling MSC as long as he still hold considerable amount. My only complaint is about the progress of the project. Once MSC becomes successful, the price of MSC will naturally increases. Only speculators care about the current market price, when there's nothing have implemented for MSC yet. Long term believers will either be happy about the lower price, or just worry about the slow progress may kill this project.
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January 09, 2014, 03:05:15 AM
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I have 500 MSC going @ 0.15 btc/msc. This is far below JR'S sell price and market price vs volume. Anyone serious about getting in on the mastercoin project at an excellent price, this is your opportunity. PM me to arrange a trade.

Care to post here your address so that this 500 MSC amount could be verified?

How would that verify anything? I could post anyone's address.

I've made trades for 100's of msc with others from this thread. If anyone is interested in a trade I have references and we can always use an escrow agent.

It could help a great deal. You post your address here and say we wanna do the trade. You can send a tiny amount from that address to prove your are indeed the owner. Amount could be sent to another address of yours, doesn't matter. But it could be easily verified.

So wanna post your address? Otherwise one could argue you don't have the coins or you just wanna crash the price with a fake sale so you can buy some cheap coins.

If I can crash the market by putting up a sell order of less than 0.1% of the coin cap on a forum trade thread then anyone holding msc has much bigger things to worry about. JR is doing just fine crashing the price on his own btw. Now if you want to buy some, feel free to send me a PM to arrange escrow. Otherwise quite being a douche bag and wasting my time.

Right. So you don't wanna post the address as expected. Why am I not surprised.

Yes it has decent market cap but very low trading volume. You can easily see that on the main MSC exchange. So fake 500 MSC sell orders can move the price.


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January 09, 2014, 04:49:25 AM
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最最亲爱的JR:
     你是要向你的妻子展示你所从事的不是游戏,是真金白银。另外你没钱交税了。。balabala
     所以你要急不可耐的卖掉一些你手中的msc
     我们非常赞赏你以家庭以老婆为第一的态度。
     BUT:你原来是要卖0.7的啊,可惜的是没卖出去。现在你的要价是0.17-0.2,我看这个价格也很难卖出去。
     亲爱的JR,要是在你交税前你没卖出去怎么办?
     面对你的窘境(交税)和你的男人责任(老婆要买LV包包),你不觉得0.1是一个很好的价格吗?
      Grin Grin Grin
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January 09, 2014, 04:58:48 AM
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最最亲爱的JR:
     你是要向你的妻子展示你所从事的不是游戏,是真金白银。另外你没钱交税了。。balabala
     所以你要急不可耐的卖掉一些你手中的msc
     我们非常赞赏你以家庭以老婆为第一的态度。
     BUT:你原来是要卖0.7的啊,可惜的是没卖出去。现在你的要价是0.17-0.2,我看这个价格也很难卖出去。
     亲爱的JR,要是在你交税前你没卖出去怎么办?
     面对你的窘境(交税)和你的男人责任(老婆要买LV包包),你不觉得0.1是一个很好的价格吗?
      Grin Grin Grin
     机不可失,时不再来哦,0.1不卖,就是0.05了哦。
     不卖的话没钱交税怎么办啊?不卖的话让老婆罚跪搓板了怎么办啊?不卖的话怎么和老婆开着法拉利周末去度假啊?
      Grin Grin Grin
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最最亲爱的JR:
     你是要向你的妻子展示你所从事的不是游戏,是真金白银。另外你没钱交税了。。balabala
     所以你要急不可耐的卖掉一些你手中的msc
     我们非常赞赏你以家庭以老婆为第一的态度。
     BUT:你原来是要卖0.7的啊,可惜的是没卖出去。现在你的要价是0.17-0.2,我看这个价格也很难卖出去。
     亲爱的JR,要是在你交税前你没卖出去怎么办?
     面对你的窘境(交税)和你的男人责任(老婆要买LV包包),你不觉得0.1是一个很好的价格吗?
      Grin Grin Grin
     机不可失,时不再来哦,0.1不卖,就是0.05了哦。
     不卖的话没钱交税怎么办啊?不卖的话让老婆罚跪搓板了怎么办啊?不卖的话怎么和老婆开着法拉利周末去度假啊?
      Grin Grin Grin
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January 09, 2014, 12:56:45 PM
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For me who bought mastercoins at average 0.25 (first 5 at 0.419 and then 15 at 0.21) it does not feel good that thousands of coins is being dumped at 0.17.

 

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January 09, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
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Thank God I made my investment back and I had invested in NXT.
This is doomed...
And I still hold >300MSC and have many friends convinced to invest @0.25
Again NXT saved them (I invested for them there too).

This is probably the end...

(NXT, eMunie and most of all XCP).

The end of what?
The distributed exchange will be launched in a few weeks, this will be the start of Mastercoin.
Selling through the Dist. Exchange would be a better idea for everyone.
Dream on - I have 15 years experience in software houses as a developer (not competent for sure but I know how projects are professionally build).

This is a dead end clusterfuck - I hope I will be proven wrong because I have hundreds MSC at stake...

You don't talk like a person with hundreds of MSC at stake.

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January 09, 2014, 01:01:41 PM
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For me who bought mastercoins at average 0.25 (first 5 at 0.419 and then 15 at 0.21) it does not feel good that thousands of coins is being dumped at 0.17.

Honestly this is a good thing- as long as mastercoin is not a total failure, then diluting JR's holdings is only a good thing in the long run. Someone mentioned that he is trying to take his initial ~1,500BTC investment back out. While I'm not 100% comfortable with that, the 145K mastercoin he still has left will be more then enough to give him ample incentive to keep working. :-)

Personally though- I'd be happier with MSC being sold for BTC to pay full time developers.

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