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January 03, 2014, 01:11:58 AM
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while your criminal law analysis is worth considering, there is more.  If he were successful and managed to exploit a Mastercoin weakness at this early stage - he could have easily cause the value of Msc to plummet thus causing everyone serious loss of value.  far more than the $40K he is being penalized today.

Or, depending on how you look at it, he is a hero who warns people of the Mastercoin's weakness and prevents much bigger losses.

Killerstorm, I always appreciate your views on Mastercoin ...
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I am begging you please: don't engage this guy.  Go back to work.  You are awesome and we need you 100% working on code.  I'll handle the assholes.  You need to ignore guys like KillerShitStorm and others naysayers and just keep building good stuff.  Thanks for the comment, but we really need you to go back to work and stop looking at the disinformation. 



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January 03, 2014, 01:14:13 AM
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What is this clown saying? I may unignore him so I have a good laugh  Cheesy
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January 03, 2014, 01:16:00 AM
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What is this clown saying? I may unignore him so I have a good laugh  Cheesy

Just typical fanatic sock ramblings.
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Hehe I miss him!
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January 03, 2014, 01:21:14 AM
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while your criminal law analysis is worth considering, there is more.  If he were successful and managed to exploit a Mastercoin weakness at this early stage - he could have easily cause the value of Msc to plummet thus causing everyone serious loss of value.  far more than the $40K he is being penalized today.

Or, depending on how you look at it, he is a hero who warns people of the Mastercoin's weakness and prevents much bigger losses.

Killerstorm, I always appreciate your views on Mastercoin (specific critique only helps us improve - and we do take it onboard for example we're now enabling features at specific block numbers) but in this case I think it's only fair to point out this really was not a weakness in Mastercoin, it was a bug in one specific software implementation of it.  

Just as a bug in Armory is not a weakness in Bitcoin, I don't think it's fair to label this case as a weakness in Mastercoin.

For the community as a whole, I would recommend against relying on a single site at this early stage.  There are four completely independent implementations and if any disagree (as they did in this case) then you should seek clarification from the dev community and file appropriate bug reports (we're looking into making this easier).  We are of course all working hard to make sure there are no differences, but bugs do occur so be sure to check your transactions on multiple implementations.

You can also check your address here https://masterchest.info/consensus.aspx.  Select 'Show listing of ALL addresses' and do a find-on-page for your address.  You can see your address balance from all four implementations here and whether there is consensus across all implementations.  This is a tool we are using to collaboratively identify and eliminate any differences in interpretation between the various implementations (our next dev con call is upcoming to work on the last few edge cases).

Zathras is a fucking genius.  KillerShitStorm is a asshole who tries so hard to discredit Mastercoin at every turn.  

Zathras is correct.  Mastercoin is fine.  sometimes one of the four implimentations has a different conclustion than others.  This is actually what makes Mastercoin very strong.  different interpretations of the protocol are encoded into rules and final clarification is reached where any ambiguity is discovered.  Zathras is right in the middle of this process.  KillerShitStorm is totally, wickedly conflicted as he wishes so much that Colored Coins could get the attention that Mastercoins got.  Colored Coins is a shit dead project. So Killershitstorm comes here at every opportunity to throw shit around.  

Some dumb fuck named 'Inbox' tried a fast one to gain profits for himself.  But MastercoinXchange and Zathras and othes worked together to fix the discrepancy and get to a very much stronger mastercoin.  Inbox is a fucking cheat and paid for it with 216 MSC.  I hope the next guy who tries to steal from our good service providers at MastercoinXchange suffer the same fate.  When someone screws with an exchange service, I always hope they paid hell.  These exchanges are hard to set up so they can't be manipulated by assholes.
        KillerShitstorm is trying to leverage the situation to put more disrepute on Mastercoin in the stupid notion that somehow Colored Coins will catch up.  Colored Coins is a dumb-ass fucking idea without funding and no matter how much shit KillershitStorm throws around won't be affected.  KillerShitStorm is dying to find a way to push down Master and prop up his failed piece of garbage.  
        But don't get me wrond.  KillerShitStorm is actually intelligent.  Not only that, he will soon be on the Mastercoin team.  As soon as he decides to back the correct horse, he will be on tract.  He needs to take his talents and join Mastercoin community.  If I were JR, and I am not, I'd pay (with MSC) guys like KillerStorm to quit his failed mission with Colored and bring his talents over to Mastercoin.  Killer fucked up by not getting right with the Exodus fund raising event.  But it is not too late.  If Killer gets his head right today and gets in with the MSC devo team then we all benefit.  C'mon JR, give Killer a reasonable position in this deal and get him on board.  We all know he loves Mastercoin because he watches it so closely.   If JR doesn't move on this, then I would encourage the board to set up a program to bring killer in.  I'd personally set aside some of my MSC holdings to but his participation.  Until that happens, Killer is just going to look for every reason to throw mud at MSC.
      Unfortunate, but tolerable.  MSC will also be fine without him.  If he abandons ColoredBullshit and joins MSC we'd get the benefit of another talented guy in the project.  Either way, MSC is fine - but Killer is only going to come out ahead if he quits ColoredBullshit and joins a real project with good funding and serious team to develop a higher layer on Bitcoin.   

Saw MSC price fall, panicked, got here and my eyes can't process this much text.

Please someone TL;DR for people who just got here seeing the price dip ?

1. Someone succeeded in exploiting a vulnerability in a MSC exchange site? or a feature of MSC itself? please explain

2. That person was "punished" by having his MSC banned? the same way a government, bank, or other centralized entity would block money used for criminal activities? Now... don't get me wrong, it seems like the right thing to do if this money was stolen obviously. But the point of decentralization is to not do these kinds of things.

3. Is this fixed yet?  or can i hope to pick up some MSC at an even lower price.. How will this affect MSC going forward..?

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DGulari, this is for you.



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January 03, 2014, 01:37:03 AM
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2. That person was "punished" by having his MSC banned? the same way a government, bank, or other centralized entity would block money used for criminal activities?
yep, crime and anarchy rules in bitcoin and mastercoin.  fuck the world!  steal all you can.  No order, no regulation, just fuck everyone.



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January 03, 2014, 01:40:16 AM
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What is this clown saying? I may unignore him so I have a good laugh  Cheesy
Who are you kidding dumbass?  You read every word I write.  Twice.  At least.  Dumbass.  You fucking love my shit and you can't miss a single thing.  You have never been able to ignore me. 

Do you know that many intelligent people actually do ignore me.  They just don't care for the extreme position.  They use their minds to ignore me.  They don't need some mechanical blocking means.  They just don't pay attention.

Then we have you.  You read every word I write.  You put me on 'ignore' with the mechanical system, but you just cant resist clicking unignore just to read my every post.  You love me.  I do too.  Smiley  I love you klee.   



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January 03, 2014, 01:55:55 AM
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Timeline of events, and explanation  cleared up by inbox' link:

http://www.reddit.com/r/mastercoin/comments/1u7ku8/masterxchangecom_update_events_timeline/
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1. Someone succeeded in exploiting a vulnerability in a MSC exchange site? or a feature of MSC itself? please explain

No, nobody succeeded to exploit the MSC exchange site. Not in MSC or anything.


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I had a few phones call today with inbox which gave us a 100% verified identity, ID & proof of residency, which of course we will not disclose with anyone.

We have unfrozen his 262.71142052 MSC and put them in a new account of his choice.

There is enought reasonnable doubt that inbox was indeed good willed to trust that all this was a huge misunderstanding.

We thank him for his good willingness in the resolution of this issue and hope he will not have hard feelings.

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I had a few phones call today with inbox which gave us a 100% verified identity, ID & proof of residency, which of course we will not disclose with anyone.

We have unfrozen his 262.71142052 MSC and put them in a new account of his choice.

There is enought reasonnable doubt that inbox was indeed good willed to trust that all this was a huge misunderstanding.

We thank him for his good willingness in the resolution of this issue and hope he will not have hard feelings.

Thank you Emilien for the resolution. No hard feelings, I hope this will not hinder the reputation I had/have here. Many users were quick to jump to conclusions.
In the future I will try to do a better job with the disclosure.

Big thanks to Eldido/Adrien also.
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I think we painted you as a thief a bit too fast

Thank for collaborating towards a resolution. Now you are identified somewhere so that should be reassuring to people trading with you.

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Who the heck is moderating this thread? All this name calling sucks: crime-in-progress or not. Also for timelines, accusations, etc.. make a new freaking thread and just link to it. Not only will it help Mastercoin by filling more of the 'noise-space' of alt-coin land, it will keep threads like this clear for others.

I'm not sure how long many of the people in this thread have been around in bitcoin talk land, but lots of great projects were permanently derailed because of people getting worked up. Take it to your own thread if it has to be said, but don't pollute the main mastercoin threads so that all anyone see's when they come to check out mastercoin is name calling.

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Who the heck is moderating this thread? All this name calling sucks: crime-in-progress or not. Also for timelines, accusations, etc.. make a new freaking thread and just link to it. Not only will it help Mastercoin by filling more of the 'noise-space' of alt-coin land, it will keep threads like this clear for others.

I'm not sure how long many of the people in this thread have been around in bitcoin talk land, but lots of great projects were permanently derailed because of people getting worked up. Take it to your own thread if it has to be said, but don't pollute the main mastercoin threads so that all anyone see's when they come to check out mastercoin is name calling.

100% agreed. When I evaluated Mastercoin, it beat the competition for the following reasons:
-Internal support within the Bitcoin community.
-Massive funding advantage.
-The right features, done the right way.

In my view, the problem called out above overrides all those reasons, and puts the entire project at risk.
In the months since I have been invested, I have found myself less motivated and enthused day by day. That has nothing to do with the benefits above, and everything to do with the toxic culture permeating the project.  Projects do not, cannot succeed amidst such dysfunction.

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Who the heck is moderating this thread? All this name calling sucks: crime-in-progress or not. Also for timelines, accusations, etc.. make a new freaking thread and just link to it. Not only will it help Mastercoin by filling more of the 'noise-space' of alt-coin land, it will keep threads like this clear for others.

I'm not sure how long many of the people in this thread have been around in bitcoin talk land, but lots of great projects were permanently derailed because of people getting worked up. Take it to your own thread if it has to be said, but don't pollute the main mastercoin threads so that all anyone see's when they come to check out mastercoin is name calling.

100% agreed. When I evaluated Mastercoin, it beat the competition for the following reasons:
-Internal support within the Bitcoin community.
-Massive funding advantage.
-The right features, done the right way.

In my view, the problem called out above overrides all those reasons, and puts the entire project at risk.
In the months since I have been invested, I have found myself less motivated and enthused day by day. That has nothing to do with the benefits above, and everything to do with the toxic culture permeating the project.  Projects do not, cannot succeed amidst such dysfunction.

Well fortunately this is a fairly easy problem to fix. Heavily moderate "official looking" threads. People are free to make as many threads as they like and talk about what ever nonsense the subforum mod lets them do. But I think it's important that 'official looking' threads are kept on topic and clear of the bickering.

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Few words to the sellers:

Few days ago the price at masterxchange.com was 0.26. The total amount of buy orders was about 40 MSC.
Then someone posted 200 MSC at a lower price and another posted 100 in a lower price again and so on.

I mean, come on...
It is a free world of cause and anyone can do whatever they want, but people! think before you do stupid things...

Unless you need the money for some urgent stuff, please, sell 10/20 at a time.
You will get much more and you will only need to wait one or two weeks.

MSC still doesn't have the sufficient eco system. It is like a new company that just raised its money.
Companies at this phase are not traded on stock exchanges in the old economy.
Shareholders are expected to be responsible and reasonable.

What do you think will happen if JR Willet for example will decide to sell all his MSC at once?

If you look for quick money - go play with dogecoins or nxt.





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January 03, 2014, 09:58:07 PM
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Who the heck is moderating this thread? All this name calling sucks: crime-in-progress or not. Also for timelines, accusations, etc.. make a new freaking thread and just link to it. Not only will it help Mastercoin by filling more of the 'noise-space' of alt-coin land, it will keep threads like this clear for others.

I'm not sure how long many of the people in this thread have been around in bitcoin talk land, but lots of great projects were permanently derailed because of people getting worked up. Take it to your own thread if it has to be said, but don't pollute the main mastercoin threads so that all anyone see's when they come to check out mastercoin is name calling.

100% agreed. When I evaluated Mastercoin, it beat the competition for the following reasons:
-Internal support within the Bitcoin community.
-Massive funding advantage.
-The right features, done the right way.

In my view, the problem called out above overrides all those reasons, and puts the entire project at risk.
In the months since I have been invested, I have found myself less motivated and enthused day by day. That has nothing to do with the benefits above, and everything to do with the toxic culture permeating the project.  Projects do not, cannot succeed amidst such dysfunction.

Well fortunately this is a fairly easy problem to fix. Heavily moderate "official looking" threads. People are free to make as many threads as they like and talk about what ever nonsense the subforum mod lets them do. But I think it's important that 'official looking' threads are kept on topic and clear of the bickering.

Couldn't agree more...now can we get back to discussing the features of Mastercoin?  I really wish the discussion was surrounding how to issue/broadcast user currencies and smart properties.  This is the true goldmine underlying Mastercoin, trading Mastercoins will eventually seem royally stupid, much like Bitcoin I operate from a "Gotta catch 'em all" mentality...or at least the more I have today the better off I'll be tomorrow.

Have any user currencies or smart properties been issued already?  If so, are they live on the network, or are they tests?  I'm really interested in playing with the protocol layer and helping in whatever way I can on this project.  Hopefully it helps me profit enough to own and operate a hemp farm in America, and if there's a way to add commodities like hemp as an option, I would love to get in on that now.

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January 04, 2014, 12:32:16 AM
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Few words to the sellers:

Few days ago the price at masterxchange.com was 0.26. The total amount of buy orders was about 40 MSC.
Then someone posted 200 MSC at a lower price and another posted 100 in a lower price again and so on.

I mean, come on...
It is a free world of cause and anyone can do whatever they want, but people! think before you do stupid things...

Unless you need the money for some urgent stuff, please, sell 10/20 at a time.
You will get much more and you will only need to wait one or two weeks.

MSC still doesn't have the sufficient eco system. It is like a new company that just raised its money.
Companies at this phase are not traded on stock exchanges in the old economy.
Shareholders are expected to be responsible and reasonable.

What do you think will happen if JR Willet for example will decide to sell all his MSC at once?

If you look for quick money - go play with dogecoins or nxt.


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And don't compete like crazy for the best selling price just because your order hasn't gotten filled in the last day or so.  Think about what they're actually worth.  It's not like your order is going to get bought any quicker because the lowest price is .2 or .26.  There is a limited supply of buyers and sellers, so don't be retarded and compete for the lowest price.  Just relax until a buyer comes along.

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January 04, 2014, 03:43:58 AM
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I suspect some players are trying to deliberately manipulate the market since it is thinly traded compared to other crypto assets with the same order of market cap - Ripple and Mastercoin have about 1/10 or less of the trading volume of NXT, Bitcoin, Litecoin, etc.

It seems market cap is not a very good indicator of the total value of the asset in circulation since it doesn't account for the ability of the market to absorb a sell-off. I suspect NXT is actually a lot less resistant to a sell-off than Litecoin, so it's actual total value is a lot less than what simple market cap indicates.
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