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March 18, 2019, 04:51:55 AM
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~these statistics back that up.

As BayAreaCoins so aptly put it in the other thread "crying about variance" proves nothing.

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March 18, 2019, 05:00:28 AM
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Variance has nothing to do with SEQUENTIAL statistics that prove a set of numbers have a DIFFERENT "variance" if thats what you want to call it (I call it seed changing cheating),  than another identical set of numbers that should supposedly have the same probability of being selected as any other but that certainly is NOT the case.  The point is that tiers of free rolls are affected by the seed changing.  This is why there is a SEQUENTIAL pattern that is witnessed in large sample sizes such as this.

I'll also add that I dont use the site because of the free rolls.  I have other purposes for it.  So the cheating going on here doesnt affect anything I do,  however it does indicate that the provably fair claims are complete lies.  A more correct statement should be "mostly provably fair" since the site does have a good percentage of provably fair calculations.  It doesnt cheat on every roll.  It only cheats on those that would push the site over it's allowed quota for that particular process.  It makes sense to limit the amount of upper tier free rolls for example if one wants to have a half baked carrot and stick promotion to attract the plebs,  and these statistics show exactly that.  If the site is going to have a feature and claim that it's "provably fair",  then I expect it to be exactly that,  and it's not.  Thus,  not truthful in one area == not truthful period in anything.

And trying to hide behind "Oh we were testing msgs to see what was effective" is just an excuse.  There is absolutely NO excuse to not describe exactly what a permissions request is.  Either you state it correctly or you dont.  There is no,  lets try this or this.  Those are just excuses of deflection.

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March 18, 2019, 05:14:26 AM
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Variance has nothing to do with SEQUENTIAL statistics that prove a set of numbers have a DIFFERENT "variance" if thats what you want to call it (I call it seed changing cheating),  than another identical set of numbers that should supposedly have the same probability of being selected as any other but that certainly is NOT the case.  The point is that tiers of free rolls are affected by the seed changing.  This is why there is a SEQUENTIAL pattern that is witnessed in large sample sizes such as this.

Plain wrong. All results are subject to variance.


I'll also add that I dont use the site because of the free rolls.

I would also add that you promote a site that you accuse of cheating. That says that you either have no morals or are aware that your accusations are false.

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March 18, 2019, 02:09:14 PM
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Hi,
Freebitco.in keeps telling me :
" You have an invalid email address attached to your account. Please change it to one that is valid (by clicking on the PROFILE button in the top bar) so that you can receive important emails from us in the future. We recommend signing up to and using Google Mail instead of your current email provider."
I changed successfully the email address to another one (@gmail), and after a dozen minutes I got the same message again. I tried to change the email again but that wasn't possible before 24 hours.

24 hours later I rechanged the email address, did a free roll successfully, and got the message again ..
I can not do free rolls now. what is the problem?
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March 18, 2019, 03:56:55 PM
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I dont know where you are coming up with me telling you anything btw.  

I once talked about my chrome extension that automated bets and auto-validates bets and that I did several hundred thousand bets (these are all small bets, can't vouch for any big bets) , you called me a liar and said it was impossible because it would take too long to verify those bets. I explained that verification took a few milliseconds at most, it's just two sha256's (one to check server hash and the other for the dice result) after string concatenation and I remember I shared the code partially here. Your original post got deleted so that's why you do not remember that one. Anyway that was about it.

Edit: Btw, I'm not validating the free rolls. So I cannot vouch for those either, but for small bets, freebitco.in did not cheat me.
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March 18, 2019, 08:28:34 PM
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Plain wrong. All results are subject to variance.

There is no such thing as "variance" in a planned outcome.  No matter what "Variance" says,  the site will dictate when things happen and when they dont as far as free rolls are concerned.  The only "variance" that exists are for free rolls are for the 1st tier and only when the quota for tiers above it have been filled for the day/week/month or however they are scheduled.  Once you break out of the bottom tier,  you are subjected to quota limitations which is far different than anything that deals with random numbers.  If you roll a 10000 but that tier has reached its quota,  tough luck,  the seed is changed and you get a new result.  The process continues in the background on the server until you roll a result that isnt in a tier that has had it's quota filled.  There is absolutely nothing random about a quota.  If such a system were in place what you'd see is Variance being present in the lower numbers but not in the upper ranks and thats EXACTLY what can be seen.  It also accounts for why seeds change on free rolls.

You absolutely CANNOT sit there and tell me that in 1.5yrs and over 60000 rolls,  that numbers 9994 - 10000 (in sequential order no less) simply have not been rolled yet.  That simply would NOT happen within our lifetime as a species let alone my lifetime,  especially at 1roll/hr.  And this hasnt happened with just myself either,  this is an epidemic that has been witnessed by multiple people.  There is clearly something else other than "variance" that is causing this and it cannot be anything other than cheating.  Seeds do not change just cuz,  they change for a reason.

I've been considering adding a public statistics page for those that use my bot to roll the free rolls.  Adding roll verification results to it would be cool but not as cool as the raw statistics themselves.  That would increase the sample size 10 fold and we'd still see the exact same phenomenon of numbers 0-10 being rolled FAR more often than numbers 9886 - 10000.  Thats a spread of 114 numbers vs 10 numbers.  Are you going to bet that the 10 numbers get hit more often than the other 114?  Because I'll take that bet.  I KNOW they'll get hit more often due to the seed change cheating and what I theorize are quotas on each free roll tier above the 1st.

And yes,  I use and promote a service that I know cheats.  But only because the cheating doesnt affect what I or anyone else does with the site.  You on the other hand actually work for the cheating joint and actively and knowingly bold face lie about what we all know to be true,  and that is that the "provably fair" claim on free rolls is absolute horse shit,  which in turn opens up the conversation that everything else is smoke and mirrors also.

I guess one could also make the argument that while it doesnt affect what I do technically,  the excuse for keeping the house edge at it's absurd levels due to the free rolls and whatever other non-sense the site has does sorta piss me off.  Solution:  Trash the free rolls and just lower the house edge as a result or at least increase the referral bonus Tongue.  Besides,  it's easier to hide cheating in gambling dice roll than it is with a free roll dice roll.  Or I guess you could just stop the cheating,  that would be an option too and it might even make free rolls something to consider as cool (which currently imo it's the complete opposite,  all it does is give site a bogus excuse to jack up the house edge).

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March 19, 2019, 12:14:50 AM
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There is no such thing as "variance" in a planned outcome.  


Rolling random numbers does not produce a planned outcome. That's the whole point, it is random and is therefore variable.


And yes,  I use and promote a service that I know cheats.

Therefore you are unscrupulous.

 But only because the cheating doesnt affect what I or anyone else does with the site.
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the excuse for keeping the house edge at it's absurd levels due to the free rolls and whatever

The contradiction that exposes your lie. The house edge pays for free-rolls, RP, referral program and lottery and directly affects the returns on your shitbot dice script. If you really were pissed off about it you would take it somewhere else that doesn't offer all that but has a lower house edge.

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March 19, 2019, 04:48:33 AM
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Rolling random numbers does not produce a planned outcome. That's the whole point, it is random and is therefore variable.

See you're slowly catching on.  Rolling random numbers cant produce a planned outcome.  Only cheating can produce a planned/reproducible outcome (in this case, the outcome is to make sure that numbers less than 9886 are hit more often than others.  This pattern is very visible in large sample sizes and you can ALWAYS use 0-10 as a comparision (or really any group of 10 numbers below 9886 for that matter) and you'll clearly see that the patterns of 9887 and up are FAR different than all numbers below them in that they are always sequential in not being hit in large sample sizes where they should have been hit at least once or more.  Therefore it's not variable and cannot have variance by default.  So when you "roll" a free roll,  you're not rolling random numbers.  You're just trying to cram into a quota.  If you're lucky,  you get in.  If the quota has been filled,  your "roll" is nullified (AKA the seed is changed) and right along with it,  that variance you so dearly hold on to as an excuse for cheating.  You will never be able to explain away the 2 screenshots I put together.  Ever.  The statistics speak for themselves and the results are very reproducible by anyone who has the ability to record everything and stuff it in a db/file to be analyzed later like I and several others have already done and we've all reached the same conclusion,  the results clearly show a pattern when it comes to the upper end of the number spectrum.  Patterns == cheating/planned outcomes (such as quotas)

In a true random situation, reproducible patterns simply will not form.  Ever.  But since these results ALWAYS have the SAME pattern,  this means it's not a truly random situation (AKA cheating).  So no,  the house edge does NOT pay for free rolls.  The free rolls give the site an excuse to raise the house edge even though it's not necessary to do so since the free rolls have quotas.  If free rolls were truly random,  then there would be an excuse to raise the house edge.  But that isnt the case,  therefore any claims that the high house edge pays for something the house is cheating on anyway,  is just horseshit.  Dump the free rolls.  They are useless to begin with.

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March 19, 2019, 05:24:54 AM
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See you're slowly catching on.~

Something that will never be said of you.

You are looking at a small sample of results and seeing variance. That is all. Your "planned outcome" is simply your failure to recognise variance.

Dump the free rolls.

Dump promoting a site you think is a scam or you are a scammer yourself.

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March 19, 2019, 05:38:11 AM
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Hi guys,

I don't know whether or not this is the right place to ask but I have a question:

I started using Freebitco.in years ago (maybe late 2013/early 2014), then I stopped using it for a lOng time (a few years), and back in late 2017 I started using it again. Nothing out of the ordinary till here, but when bitcoin prices started falling I noticed that the rewards started changing. I also noticed that the minimum prize was even less, about half. I thought this was the new 'normal'. I continued to play free rolls like that till now (2019), when the minimum prize went down even more. What's going on? Is this normal? 
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Hi guys,

I don't know whether or not this is the right place to ask but I have a question:

I started using Freebitco.in years ago (maybe late 2013/early 2014), then I stopped using it for a lOng time (a few years), and back in late 2017 I started using it again. Nothing out of the ordinary till here, but when bitcoin prices started falling I noticed that the rewards started changing. I also noticed that the minimum prize was even less, about half. I thought this was the new 'normal'. I continued to play free rolls like that till now (2019), when the minimum prize went down even more. What's going on? Is this normal? 

It has been the new normal for about 1 year. The base reward is reduced gradually for accounts with low wagering volume compared to free winnings. Deposit, play Hi-Lo, jackpots or buy lottery tickets to increase the base reward. If you don't want to wager then you can simply keep a balance above $50 in Bitcoin to receive full base reward.


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Hi guys,

I don't know whether or not this is the right place to ask but I have a question:

I started using Freebitco.in years ago (maybe late 2013/early 2014), then I stopped using it for a lOng time (a few years), and back in late 2017 I started using it again. Nothing out of the ordinary till here, but when bitcoin prices started falling I noticed that the rewards started changing. I also noticed that the minimum prize was even less, about half. I thought this was the new 'normal'. I continued to play free rolls like that till now (2019), when the minimum prize went down even more. What's going on? Is this normal? 

It has been the new normal for about 1 year. The base reward is reduced gradually for accounts with low wagering volume compared to free winnings. Deposit, play Hi-Lo, jackpots or buy lottery tickets to increase the base reward. If you don't want to wager then you can simply keep a balance above $50 in Bitcoin to receive full base reward.




Oooh, I see! Thanks!
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Anyone knows whats the most optimal strategy to redeem reward points? If i do 120 points for ''10 REWARD POINTS / ROLL'' obviously, I will need to play at least 12 times to get my points back and afterwards is profit. However what if I instead pick ''50% BONUS'' for 160 points. I will be getting a minimum of 0.000000255 BTC instead of 0.00000017 BTC per roll. Which one is best?

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March 19, 2019, 09:51:00 AM
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Anyone knows whats the most optimal strategy to redeem reward points? If i do 120 points for ''10 REWARD POINTS / ROLL'' obviously, I will need to play at least 12 times to get my points back and afterwards is profit. However what if I instead pick ''50% BONUS'' for 160 points. I will be getting a minimum of 0.000000255 BTC instead of 0.00000017 BTC per roll. Which one is best?

Depends on your play-style; try experimenting with them for a week to see the changes.

For gamblers, either BTC conversion or reward points since their base Sats are 75% of the second-lowest tier. And assuming you are able to click at least 11 times a day to make the latter worthwhile.

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You are looking at a small sample of results and seeing variance. That is all. Your "planned outcome" is simply your failure to recognise variance.

See,  as expected,  hiding behind the "Oh its variance" excuse which has now been factually debunked since it's now a known fact that randomization has nothing to do with who gets what in a free roll and it's instead managed via quotas and first come first serve basis.

A sample size of 60000 rolls (mine accounts for nearly half those results,  30K in itself) for something that supposedly has a 1-10000 probability is anything but "small". Since we now know that it's not truly random,  probabilities can be completely thrown out the window and replaced with,  "you'll get in the door if we have room,  but you wont know unless you knock".

If you're "oh its variance" excuse actually held any water (which it doesnt)  then I wouldnt be able to continually reproduce the results I'm talking about with 0-10 and 114 of the upper most numbers.  Numbers 0-10 is always hit more than those of the upper tiers (or really ANY group of sequential 10 numbers,  0-10 is just the easiest to sort by and understand).  This is a guaranteed REPRODUCIBLE fact with large enough sample sizes (large enough == 10000+ rolls before you start to notice the pattern) and this is due to the cheating at he upper ranks.

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 #6636

Anyone knows whats the most optimal strategy to redeem reward points? If i do 120 points for ''10 REWARD POINTS / ROLL'' obviously, I will need to play at least 12 times to get my points back and afterwards is profit. However what if I instead pick ''50% BONUS'' for 160 points. I will be getting a minimum of 0.000000255 BTC instead of 0.00000017 BTC per roll. Which one is best?
If your minimum prize is 17sat per claim your account has some limitations, in this case there are no reasons to activate ANY bonus reward (or "boosters", I think it sounds better and it helps to not confuse it with the %bonus from lottery and hi-low). The steps to use boosters in the most profitable way are:
1) be sure to avoid limitations for a long time. Using lottery and hi-low doesn't mean that an account will be not afflicted by limitations in future, the only way is to have AT LEAST $50 in the balance, better if more than that (btc value can change a lot...).
2) do not activate btc boosters without point boosters. If you redeem a btc booster you have to do more claims you can, there is no sense in not redeeming also a point booster because you need points to redeem next boosters in future. It's possible to redeem 1 booster for each kind (1points+1btc+1lottery, if you are intrested in lottery) but not 2 of the same kind.
3) be sure to be able to claim AT LEAST 12times during points boosters activation. This one you already know, and all points boosters have the same ratio (they always cost 12times what they give per single claim).
4) btc boosters have a different gaining "range" based on the minimum prize. They are really profitable when the minimum prize is 16-30sat or 46-60sat or 76-90sat etc. and they are not when the minimum is 1-15sat or 31-45sat etc. In fact if claim is on "the second half of 30sat minimum prize" they are in the most profitable range, that means you need less claims to get back points used redeeming them, the more close to 30-60-90-etc. is the minimum the more you gain.
5) use a timer to remind when its time to claim. I can assure you, it takes less than 30seconds to open the cell browser, do a claim and set timer again, less than to reply to a sms/whatsapp. 59:30 is the best setting.
6) use a smartphone to do claims. Even if you live in front of your pc using a mobile device allows you to claim when/where you want.

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March 20, 2019, 12:05:24 AM
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See,  as expected,  hiding behind the "Oh its variance" excuse which has now been factually debunked since it's now a known fact that randomization has nothing to do~

So as expected you ignore the fact that your tiny sample of rolls is subject to variance and just keep saying it isn't. Arguing with a numbskull like you always results in this same result and is not subject to variance.


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March 20, 2019, 02:00:21 PM
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Anyone knows whats the most optimal strategy to redeem reward points? If i do 120 points for ''10 REWARD POINTS / ROLL'' obviously, I will need to play at least 12 times to get my points back and afterwards is profit. However what if I instead pick ''50% BONUS'' for 160 points. I will be getting a minimum of 0.000000255 BTC instead of 0.00000017 BTC per roll. Which one is best?
If your minimum prize is 17sat per claim your account has some limitations, in this case there are no reasons to activate ANY bonus reward (or "boosters", I think it sounds better and it helps to not confuse it with the %bonus from lottery and hi-low). The steps to use boosters in the most profitable way are:
1) be sure to avoid limitations for a long time. Using lottery and hi-low doesn't mean that an account will be not afflicted by limitations in future, the only way is to have AT LEAST $50 in the balance, better if more than that (btc value can change a lot...).
2) do not activate btc boosters without point boosters. If you redeem a btc booster you have to do more claims you can, there is no sense in not redeeming also a point booster because you need points to redeem next boosters in future. It's possible to redeem 1 booster for each kind (1points+1btc+1lottery, if you are intrested in lottery) but not 2 of the same kind.
3) be sure to be able to claim AT LEAST 12times during points boosters activation. This one you already know, and all points boosters have the same ratio (they always cost 12times what they give per single claim).
4) btc boosters have a different gaining "range" based on the minimum prize. They are really profitable when the minimum prize is 16-30sat or 46-60sat or 76-90sat etc. and they are not when the minimum is 1-15sat or 31-45sat etc. In fact if claim is on "the second half of 30sat minimum prize" they are in the most profitable range, that means you need less claims to get back points used redeeming them, the more close to 30-60-90-etc. is the minimum the more you gain.
5) use a timer to remind when its time to claim. I can assure you, it takes less than 30seconds to open the cell browser, do a claim and set timer again, less than to reply to a sms/whatsapp. 59:30 is the best setting.
6) use a smartphone to do claims. Even if you live in front of your pc using a mobile device allows you to claim when/where you want.



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1) be sure to avoid limitations for a long time. Using lottery and hi-low doesn't mean that an account will be not afflicted by limitations in future, the only way is to have AT LEAST $50 in the balance, better if more than that (btc value can change a lot...).
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1. I didn't know this, where does it say this?
You can check in the claim page, under "withdraw" and "deposit" buttons there will be something like "unlock bonus" or similar, I cannot see it just because I have no limitations. If you can see "unlock bonus" simply click on to know what you need to avoid limitations and it will show how many lottery ticket to buy, or how much you need to play on hi-low or how much deposit you need BUT the best way is to have $50 in the balance because is a stable requirement and it doesn't change. It doesn't matter where the balance came from, ALL is good to get that amount (deposits, winnings, interests, ref commissions, free rolls) and once you have $50 limitations are gone, unless btc value drops a lot...  Grin
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1) be sure to avoid limitations for a long time. Using lottery and hi-low doesn't mean that an account will be not afflicted by limitations in future, the only way is to have AT LEAST $50 in the balance, better if more than that (btc value can change a lot...).
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1. I didn't know this, where does it say this?
You can check in the claim page, under "withdraw" and "deposit" buttons there will be something like "unlock bonus" or similar, I cannot see it just because I have no limitations. If you can see "unlock bonus" simply click on to know what you need to avoid limitations and it will show how many lottery ticket to buy, or how much you need to play on hi-low or how much deposit you need BUT the best way is to have $50 in the balance because is a stable requirement and it doesn't change. It doesn't matter where the balance came from, ALL is good to get that amount (deposits, winnings, interests, ref commissions, free rolls) and once you have $50 limitations are gone, unless btc value drops a lot...  Grin

Which we all know it doesn't happen usually, cough 20k, cough 4k.

I see now, thanks for the information, gave you 5 merits Cheesy

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