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[andreijoaquin]

freebitco.in starting to implement so much policy even in bonus redemption using rewards points, I really like freebitco.in but it started to pissed me with those new policies.

[TheQuin]

freebitco.in starting to implement so much policy even in bonus redemption using rewards points, I really like freebitco.in but it started to pissed me with those new policies.

Yeah having an option to avoid captcha at a small cost is a real pisser, isn't it? 

It seems to have been a very popular new option with over 800k rolls using the roll with RP option. So a lot of people liked it.

[setifien19]

freebitco.in starting to implement so much policy even in bonus redemption using rewards points, I really like freebitco.in but it started to pissed me with those new policies.

Yeah having an option to avoid captcha at a small cost is a real pisser, isn't it? 

It seems to have been a very popular new option with over 800k rolls using the roll with RP option. So a lot of people liked it.

It's better than those boring captcha verifications that you repeat several times before getting the ✔ mark .

[jackg]

freebitco.in starting to implement so much policy even in bonus redemption using rewards points, I really like freebitco.in but it started to pissed me with those new policies.

Yeah having an option to avoid captcha at a small cost is a real pisser, isn't it? 

It seems to have been a very popular new option with over 800k rolls using the roll with RP option. So a lot of people liked it.

It's better than those boring captcha verifications that you repeat several times before getting the ✔ mark .

And cheaper for freebitco.in to implement so hopefully more money can be used back into the site (there must be a lot of money wasted on the captchas)...

[TheQuin]

And cheaper for freebitco.in to implement so hopefully more money can be used back into the site (there must be a lot of money wasted on the captchas)...

reCAPTCHA is a free service from Google for a site so it doesn't make any monetary saving. The only cost involved is for botnets to solve them.

[BTCevo]

Can I ask a quick question TheQuin.

Let's say I deposit enough Bitcoin or buy enough tickets to unlock playing without a captcha, and then I do nothing except play for free without a captcha. Will that last indefinitely, or will I have to deposit/wager/buy more after a set amount of time to keep the no-captcha-bonus?

No, the requirements in terms of wagering and lotto ticket purchases are a ratio against how much you get from free rolls. Maintaining a balance above the limit is the way to go if you don't want to gamble.

But in my condition I never solve any captcha again and yet I do not get the reduce reward point too and currently I have more than 500 sat per claim, is there have anything coincidence towards my current claim here? Actually I do not really pay attention to my reward point since I collected it for so long already

And btw now I always see that I need to take the achievement to get more faucet, may be around 50% left, so it will increase again? If I not wrong, last time I already have this. If I can increase my faucet then it will hit like 1k or even more per claim?

[TheQuin]

But in my condition I never solve any captcha again

If you don't have any captcha then that means you have met the requirements for it to be removed. That can be either through wagering, keeping a high balance or a combination of the two.

and yet I do not get the reduce reward point too

The requirement not to unlock all Reward Point redemptions is much lower than the requirement to remove captcha.

and currently I have more than 500 sat per claim, is there have anything coincidence towards my current claim here?

And btw now I always see that I need to take the achievement to get more faucet, may be around 50% left, so it will increase again? If I not wrong, last time I already have this. If I can increase my faucet then it will hit like 1k or even more per claim?

At the time of writing the base reward is 27 sats. The Free Bonus details are displayed in the box above payout list. You start out at the base level and then when you wager the % towards next bonus increases when you do a free roll it decreases. When it gets to 100% a bonus is added, equal to the base reward, to all rewards. Then you can repeat this by getting to 100% again up to 19 times. That makes the maximum base reward 27*20=540 right now.
(There is also the Free BTC Bonus that can be gained by redeeming Reward Points that works independently.)

Actually I do not really pay attention to my reward point since I collected it for so long already

 

[jackg]

And cheaper for freebitco.in to implement so hopefully more money can be used back into the site (there must be a lot of money wasted on the captchas)...

reCAPTCHA is a free service from Google for a site so it doesn't make any monetary saving. The only cost involved is for botnets to solve them.

Is it!? Theymos said he paid $0.10 for captchas (maybe that was with the old service though). I always thought the free captcha was just a sales technique to start with although it is bad enough that they probably kept it free.

[TheQuin]

Is it!? Theymos said he paid $0.10 for captchas (maybe that was with the old service though). I always thought the free captcha was just a sales technique to start with although it is bad enough that they probably kept it free.

That figure just seems wrong even if there ever was or will be paid captcha services. We have tens of millions of rolls a day and although I don't know what percentage of those have a captcha those figures are going to add up to an astronomical amount.

Google is in it for the data. If you're logged into your Google account they track where you are doing reCAPTCHAs and know more about what sites you visit and have accounts at.

[broke_tradah]

Is it!? Theymos said he paid $0.10 for captchas (maybe that was with the old service though). I always thought the free captcha was just a sales technique to start with although it is bad enough that they probably kept it free.

Recaptcha has and always will be free.  Anyone who has said otherwise is just full of shit.  I know of no service that has ever charged for captcha either.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Google is in it for the data. If you're logged into your Google account they track where you are doing reCAPTCHAs and know more about what sites you visit and have accounts at.

If you are logged in to your Google account they are pretty much tracking everywhere you go and everything you do online, reCAPTCHA or no reCAPTCHA.

[TheQuin]

If you are logged in to your Google account they are pretty much tracking everywhere you go and everything you do online, reCAPTCHA or no reCAPTCHA.

That's true but a reCAPTCHA on a site login page tells them something that I don't think they could know otherwise. I'm only speculating about that but the point I'm trying to make is that Google makes reCAPTCHA available for free because of the data it harvests for them.

Anyway, we're going way off-topic here. Freebitco.in don't save any money by removing captcha or offering RP rolls as an alternative. Google love or hate can live in a thread on another board.

[Kakmakr]

How does keeping a high amount in your account to remove reCAPTCHA, stop bots from operating? Can the accounts that use bots, not do
the same to avoid it or does that increase their risk to lose that amount, if they are flagged? Do these accounts with the bots, re-create new accounts often?

Just thinking of ways to slow down the bots, because I doubt if reCAPTCHA would be capable to stop the high quality bots. 

[TheQuin]

How does keeping a high amount in your account to remove reCAPTCHA, stop bots from operating? Can the accounts that use bots, not do
the same to avoid it or does that increase their risk to lose that amount, if they are flagged? Do these accounts with the bots, re-create new accounts often?

Just thinking of ways to slow down the bots, because I doubt if reCAPTCHA would be capable to stop the high quality bots.  

Just simple maths. It takes $100 per account to remove captcha so a guy running 100,000 unit botnet would need to deposit $10,000,000 to do it.

I reality they would never risk a single cent.

Captcha doesn't stop bots but it imposes an extra cost to run them.

[broke_tradah]

How does keeping a high amount in your account to remove reCAPTCHA, stop bots from operating? Can the accounts that use bots, not do
the same to avoid it or does that increase their risk to lose that amount, if they are flagged? Do these accounts with the bots, re-create new accounts often?

Just thinking of ways to slow down the bots, because I doubt if reCAPTCHA would be capable to stop the high quality bots.  

You're correct in assuming that it does nothing to stop bots.  Because it doesnt do anything at all.  All it does is coax you into sending YOUR btc to THEIR wallet.  Just like google is into things for data,  freebitco is in it for YOUR btc and nothing else.  As long as the account holds the BTC,  they could careless what you do with it on the site because as long as it's there,  it's as good as theirs for any of their purposes.  All the talk about it stopping bots is just utter non-sense.

They like to preface it with "It's to stop bots",  but thats just a total lie.  A bot doesnt give two shits whether it has to deal with captcha or not.  The bot owner simply deposits,  and then runs free rolls.  It's that simple.  Thus it does it's job of coaxing bots AND normal users into depositing BTC.  They also have another gimmick to attempt to get you to deposit as well,  the "interest" that a balance gains.  That's utter horseshit also because it's CLEAR and obvious goal is to coax people into sending their BTC to freebitco's wallet and keeping it there for as long as possible (there is a reason for this,  I'll explain it in a sec).

The ONLY way to stop bots is to remove what he bots are after.  The free rolls.  Simple.  Thats it.  Remove that option and the bots suddenly disappear.  But then again so does all the other people looking to freeload.  What site wouldnt want to get rid of freeloaders?  I sure would.  It's like getting rid of everyone taking welfare,  it would benefit everyone.  Without that,  the house edge could be lowered,  referral accounts would make more,  and things would be grand.............. for everyone except for freebitco.  Lol.

BTW,  there is a reason they are SOOOOOOOOOOOO obsessed with getting people to deposit and keep the deposit there.  Why?  Because the site is just one gigantic pyramid scam just like Bitconnect was.  At some point the influx of BTC is GOING to stop and it's at that point that the site will shut down and along with it anyone who has deposited and is holding BTC on the site just simply loses everything.  There wont be any chance of getting refunds because no one knows who these clowns are,  they can just close up shop and thats it.  No repercussions at all for stealing everything and running.

There are countless examples of pyramid scams in the crypto community.  All of the "Proof of FILLinTheBlank" ETH contracts (or games as they like to portray themselves),  Bitconnect and all "lending platforms" were obvious scams,  countless gambling sites that have come and gone with sudden exits were all scams,  the list goes on and on.  It's only a matter of time before this site becomes another pyramid scam statistic.

There are multiple resources online to help you avoid scams like Freebitco.  Here are a couple which,  if used,  would warn you to stay away from freebitco:

https://masterthecrypto.com/identifying-scam-coins/
https://www.gamblingsites.com/online-casino/blacklist/

Freebitco meets all or most of the "scam" criteria of the above 2 scam warning sites.  And just because the coins URL is geared towards coins doesnt invalidate it's common sense checks and could be applied to more than just a coin.

[STT]

I think you are criticising a valid business model as if it were somehow a negative.   Theres some business risk by the company to operate but they have been around a while and I see no reason to assume they are negative in serving customers.   It doesnt resemble a pyramid scheme.   Depositing your crypto anywhere has a risk attached to it but its a flat consideration to using every site isnt it

Interesting sites though

reCAPTCHA is a free service from Google for a site so it doesn't make any monetary saving. The only cost involved is for botnets to solve them.

Its in googles own interest to make sure people viewing sites connected to them are humans so that advertising is valid.   Its heavily destructive to their business model if the page traffic is artificial and there is no consumer behind the screen viewing advertising google might supply.  Or even if not direct advertising, google still wants to know the entity they are tracking is a human not a bot so thats a big incentive to them to discourage that kind of activity.   Obviously FreeBitco doesnt want bots harvesting easy money either.   Its only twitter or twitch I see people actively chasing and paying for bot usage to create an illusion of greater influence then they actually have

[TheQuin]

I think you are criticising a valid business model as if it were somehow a negative.   Theres some business risk by the company to operate but they have been around a while and I see no reason to assume they are negative in serving customers.   It doesnt resemble a pyramid scheme.   Depositing your crypto anywhere has a risk attached to it but its a flat consideration to using every site isnt it

He's criticising it because he's too thick to understand why a casino would incentivise its customers to deposit. He just keeps repeating the same verbal diarrhoea no matter how many times his stupidity is pointed out to him. He obviously is also completely ignorant as to what a pyramid scheme is. It's not worth the effort of explaining it to him again because he doesn't have the basic cognitive functions required to comprehend the answers given to him. Casinos obviously need to have large sums available to payout to big winners. Over time it all evens out as others will lose but a high roller can make a tempory impact. Comparing that to a pyramid scheme really shows a level of ignorance that is outstanding. It makes me wonder how someone could be so lacking in self-awareness to continually make such a dick of themselves in public by talking about subjects they have no knowledge of without feeling any embarrassment.

You're right about the risks involved in depositing at any Bitcoin site. Reputations are built up over time and we've been going nearly 5 years now so people will judge us on our actions over that time.

Its in googles own interest to make sure people viewing sites connected to them are humans so that advertising is valid.   Its heavily destructive to their business model if the page traffic is artificial and there is no consumer behind the screen viewing advertising google might supply.  Or even if not direct advertising, google still wants to know the entity they are tracking is a human not a bot so thats a big incentive to them to discourage that kind of activity.   Obviously FreeBitco doesnt want bots harvesting easy money either.   Its only twitter or twitch I see people actively chasing and paying for bot usage to create an illusion of greater influence then they actually have

For sites that carry advertising that is another reason for Google to provide reCAPTCHA for free as well as the data harvesting.
For us, it imposes a cost on the botnets. They either pay catcha solve services currently charging around $1 per 1000 solves or run their own solvers. That's a very resource intensive activity so a similar cost is involved. That cost is really the limiting factor in how much we can give per roll to free players.
We can give far higher rewards to players that deposit and play for obvious reasons.

[BTCevo]

How does keeping a high amount in your account to remove reCAPTCHA, stop bots from operating? Can the accounts that use bots, not do
the same to avoid it or does that increase their risk to lose that amount, if they are flagged? Do these accounts with the bots, re-create new accounts often?

Just thinking of ways to slow down the bots, because I doubt if reCAPTCHA would be capable to stop the high quality bots.  

Just simple maths. It takes $100 per account to remove captcha so a guy running 100,000 unit botnet would need to deposit $10,000,000 to do it.

I reality they would never risk a single cent.

Captcha doesn't stop bots but it imposes an extra cost to run them.

So you are saying it is still possible for them to use bot in order to abuse the faucet? Lets say I have 10 account, I should deposit $1,000 but I never use my deposit right? So it is like long term investment plus we can get daily interest from your site as well. I think it is pretty worth for the faucet abuser to it but they use 100k bot, I do not think it is still worth or not

[TheQuin]

So you are saying it is still possible for them to use bot in order to abuse the faucet?

I've said that repeatedly. Just Google 'captcha solver' and you'll see what is available on the retail market. Some of the botnets also have the own solutions. A few months back when we introduced half base rewards for accounts that almost never do anything but claim the faucet one of the big retail captcha solve services halved their prices in response.

Lets say I have 10 account, I should deposit $1,000 but I never use my deposit right? So it is like long term investment plus we can get daily interest from your site as well. I think it is pretty worth for the faucet abuser to it but they use 100k bot, I do not think it is still worth or not

You would also need 10 IP addresses and that'll probably cost more than you are going to get out of the faucet and you'd also risk getting caught for multi-accounting. Botnets have access to millions of IP addresses so the cost per address is trivial.

[Kakmakr]

So you are saying it is still possible for them to use bot in order to abuse the faucet?

I've said that repeatedly. Just Google 'captcha solver' and you'll see what is available on the retail market. Some of the botnets also have the own solutions. A few months back when we introduced half base rewards for accounts that almost never do anything but claim the faucet one of the big retail captcha solve services halved their prices in response.

Lets say I have 10 account, I should deposit $1,000 but I never use my deposit right? So it is like long term investment plus we can get daily interest from your site as well. I think it is pretty worth for the faucet abuser to it but they use 100k bot, I do not think it is still worth or not

You would also need 10 IP addresses and that'll probably cost more than you are going to get out of the faucet and you'd also risk getting caught for multi-accounting. Botnets have access to millions of IP addresses so the cost per address is trivial.

I think you missed what I was trying to say.  .... If the bot owner transfers $100 to each of his 10 bots and run them 24/7, then he would get Freerolls every hour with 10 bots without being bothered by by these Captchas. So the Capthas cannot stop these bots from doing this. A clever bot will not do this 24/7, because your detection system will detect that, so they only run it say 10 times a day.

If this is successful and this guy can do this with say, 1000 bots and he builds a referral system, then this can become quite profitable over time.