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June 11, 2018, 05:55:30 AM
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btw, you obviously have intimate knowledge of xilinx, fpga, and have been on the forum as long as I have.... Where did you say you were from again? I think I can taste a little salt in the air.


How is poking at your business dealings/model him being salty?

Few of the higher profile members having this discussion here have been here for long enough to know how most of these pre-orders end up. Its more concerning to me that more of these discussions are not happening. I would not touch this with a 10 foot pole if it was not for that fact that is seems like your using xilinx's supply chain/board partner and design to product these, so it at least takes a good portion of the failure risk out of the equation.

Still your collecting a huge sum of money...since they are so un-trusting of the market as you put it, what happens if they get spooked next month and decide not to go through with the deal?

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June 11, 2018, 06:04:59 AM
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btw, you obviously have intimate knowledge of xilinx, fpga, and have been on the forum as long as I have.... Where did you say you were from again? I think I can taste a little salt in the air.


How is poking at your business dealings/model him being salty?

Few of the higher profile members having this discussion here have been here for long enough to know how most of these pre-orders end up. Its more concerning to me that more of these discussions are not happening. I would not touch this with a 10 foot pole if it was not for that fact that is seems like your using xilinx's supply chain/board partner and design to product these, so it at least takes a good portion of the failure risk out of the equation.

Still your collecting a huge sum of money...since they are so un-trusting of the market as you put it, what happens if they get spooked next month and decide not to go through with the deal?

I'd foresee a lot of refunds in my future. But, with the contract signed, the money changing hands, and the order already given to start production. It would be a little late.

Correct, we're not producing these ourselves which takes a lot of work and problems of supply chain, lead times, etc out of the equation.

That's not why I think he's salty.

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June 11, 2018, 06:05:27 AM
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btw, you obviously have intimate knowledge of xilinx, fpga, and have been on the forum as long as I have.... Where did you say you were from again? I think I can taste a little salt in the air.


How is poking at your business dealings/model him being salty?

Few of the higher profile members having this discussion here have been here for long enough to know how most of these pre-orders end up. Its more concerning to me that more of these discussions are not happening. I would not touch this with a 10 foot pole if it was not for that fact that is seems like your using xilinx's supply chain/board partner and design to product these, so it at least takes a good portion of the failure risk out of the equation.

Still your collecting a huge sum of money...since they are so un-trusting of the market as you put it, what happens if they get spooked next month and decide not to go through with the deal?

Deal is binding, but I think the frustration is coming from the fact that we’ve worked (and are working) extremely hard to make all this happen. We have big financial risk here, as well as tons of time hours and logistics. I personally have barely slept over the past week (anyone on the discord can attest to that) to make sure all of this goes smoothly. That tends to make people a little cranky when someone makes a bunch of unsubstantiated statements that you personally know aren’t true attacking the legitimacy of your work.

The focus here should be on the opportunity and what reasonably priced, high end FPGAs combined with the current crypto ecosystem can do for this community. Instead we have arguments over false statements and attacks on us personally because we do business differently (and perhaps more transparently?) than others here.

A good number of people on here have gone to great lengths to verify, and vouch for, this. People have contacted Xilinx and verified that we are reputable and are authorized to make this sale. I’m sure if their legal team would clear it any of the Xilinx team watching this thread would confirm that as well. With all said, we stand by what we are doing here and the long term of everyone who chooses to get involved. I am personally really excited about what is happening here, and I think it is going to be game changing.

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June 11, 2018, 06:21:17 AM
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Can someone post a link to the discord?
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June 11, 2018, 06:22:04 AM
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Can someone post a link to the discord?

https://discord.gg/Knf6Rv


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June 11, 2018, 06:34:42 AM
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The focus here should be on the opportunity and what reasonably priced, high end FPGAs combined with the current crypto ecosystem can do for this community. Instead we have arguments over false statements and attacks on us personally because we do business differently (and perhaps more transparently?) than others here.


Yes, as long as you are completely transparent about it, especially when large orders of these placed by farms can have and have had the same effect as ASICs on the real GPU mining community. I dont see anyone mentioning anything about the fact that these will most certainly not come anywhere near the profitability you have been advertising once they start shipping.

Thats my one pet peeve of ASIC manufactures and projects like these...why are you telling newbs that have no idea what is going on what the profitability is on them on April 30th?? Or Bitmain releasing a new miner without at the very least saying how many units are in the first batch. People dont understand difficulty, and if you want to help out the community, that should be the main disclaimer at the top of the page for any new project that will add a very substantial hash-rate to current networks.

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June 11, 2018, 06:48:26 AM
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People seem to forget that this is essentially a group buy allowing the price reduction from ~$5k retail to ~$3.35k.
Now, sensless and GPUHoarder has gone the extra mile and *may* provide supporting platform for other developers to share their bitstreams. That does not mean you cannot use any other public bitstreams available (whitefire990) or program one yourself.
Again, it is essentially a group buy, at below retail price, I doubt these guys are making any significant profits on these, beyond the cost of all the time spent organizing it.
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June 11, 2018, 06:54:03 AM
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The focus here should be on the opportunity and what reasonably priced, high end FPGAs combined with the current crypto ecosystem can do for this community. Instead we have arguments over false statements and attacks on us personally because we do business differently (and perhaps more transparently?) than others here.


Yes, as long as you are completely transparent about it, especially when large orders of these placed by farms can have and have had the same effect as ASICs on the real GPU mining community. I dont see anyone mentioning anything about the fact that these will most certainly not come anywhere near the profitability you have been advertising once they start shipping.

Thats my one pet peeve of ASIC manufactures and projects like these...why are you telling newbs that have no idea what is going on what the profitability is on them on April 30th?? Or Bitmain releasing a new miner without at the very least saying how many units are in the first batch. People dont understand difficulty, and if you want to help out the community, that should be the main disclaimer at the top of the page for any new project that will add a very substantial hash-rate to current networks.

We have not advertised any profitability. We're saying, 14Kh/s cryptonightv1 (monerov7), 20Mh/s lyra2z. Draw your own conclusions as to future market conditions and if you think this is a good buy or not.  We're also not using numbers from other devs.

We are selling 5000 units in this batch. There will be no more batches for the rest of 2018. Of the 5000 units, about 1500 have gone to small/medium farms, about 1000 have gone to the community. 2000 units have been reserved by a large farm. They will not be able to pay until friday and we're continuing to sell from their stock to the community until they are able to pay. We've already sold somewhere between 500-1000 depending on how many of these bank deposits actually pay for those units meant for that large farm. Everyone has until friday to place their order. On friday, the farm will get whatever remaining units are available. I realize there's a discrepancy of 500 units, those are warranty stock.
 
People seem to forget that this is essentially a group buy allowing the price reduction from ~$5k retail to ~$3.35k.
Now, sensless and GPUHoarder has gone the extra mile and *may* provide supporting platform for other developers to share their bitstreams. That does not mean you cannot use any other public bitstreams available (whitefire990) or program one yourself.
Again, it is essentially a group buy, at below retail price, I doubt these guys are making any significant profits on these, beyond the cost of all the time spent organizing it.

It's not a may, It's definitely happening.

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June 11, 2018, 07:15:44 AM
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The focus here should be on the opportunity and what reasonably priced, high end FPGAs combined with the current crypto ecosystem can do for this community. Instead we have arguments over false statements and attacks on us personally because we do business differently (and perhaps more transparently?) than others here.


Yes, as long as you are completely transparent about it, especially when large orders of these placed by farms can have and have had the same effect as ASICs on the real GPU mining community. I dont see anyone mentioning anything about the fact that these will most certainly not come anywhere near the profitability you have been advertising once they start shipping.

Thats my one pet peeve of ASIC manufactures and projects like these...why are you telling newbs that have no idea what is going on what the profitability is on them on April 30th?? Or Bitmain releasing a new miner without at the very least saying how many units are in the first batch. People dont understand difficulty, and if you want to help out the community, that should be the main disclaimer at the top of the page for any new project that will add a very substantial hash-rate to current networks.

I don’t have much to add to Senseless’ statement, other than to reiterate that we have never made any claims regarding profitability of these cards. To that end all I can say is I wouldn’t have done this if I wasn’t convinced that they would be, and that we have significant resources devotated to ensuring they are.

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June 11, 2018, 08:02:41 AM
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We have not advertised any profitability. We're saying, 14Kh/s cryptonightv1 (monerov7), 20Mh/s lyra2z. Draw your own conclusions as to future market conditions and if you think this is a good buy or not.  We're also not using numbers from other devs.

We are selling 5000 units in this batch. There will be no more batches for the rest of 2018. Of the 5000 units, about 1500 have gone to small/medium farms, about 1000 have gone to the community. 2000 units have been reserved by a large farm. They will not be able to pay until friday and we're continuing to sell from their stock to the community until they are able to pay. We've already sold somewhere between 500-1000 depending on how many of these bank deposits actually pay for those units meant for that large farm. Everyone has until friday to place their order. On friday, the farm will get whatever remaining units are available. I realize there's a discrepancy of 500 units, those are warranty stock.


I didn't realize the scale of your venture until now. That's a lot of money. $17.5 million dollars at 3.5k each unit.

If this doesn't push through you'll probably be hunted and killed anyway, so i guess this must be legit. Now i wish i put in an order. Is it really too late? But then again, 5000 units also means potential 70 MH/s will be spread across cryptonight difficulty (current total for Monero is 400 MH/s). Profitability wise, everything really seems downhill.

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June 11, 2018, 12:27:35 PM
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People seem to forget that this is essentially a group buy allowing the price reduction from ~$5k retail to ~$3.35k.
Now, sensless and GPUHoarder has gone the extra mile and *may* provide supporting platform for other developers to share their bitstreams. That does not mean you cannot use any other public bitstreams available (whitefire990) or program one yourself.
Again, it is essentially a group buy, at below retail price, I doubt these guys are making any significant profits on these, beyond the cost of all the time spent organizing it.

It's not a may, It's definitely happening.


senseless / GPUHoarder - On the topic of remote development hardware, will you be enabling the FPGA's bitstream protection features (encryption key) on shipped units? I remember reading something about encryption keys earlier in this thread.
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June 11, 2018, 02:27:25 PM
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Is the FPGA on your board socketed ?
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June 11, 2018, 02:28:42 PM
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People seem to forget that this is essentially a group buy allowing the price reduction from ~$5k retail to ~$3.35k.
Now, sensless and GPUHoarder has gone the extra mile and *may* provide supporting platform for other developers to share their bitstreams. That does not mean you cannot use any other public bitstreams available (whitefire990) or program one yourself.
Again, it is essentially a group buy, at below retail price, I doubt these guys are making any significant profits on these, beyond the cost of all the time spent organizing it.

It's not a may, It's definitely happening.


senseless / GPUHoarder - On the topic of remote development hardware, will you be enabling the FPGA's bitstream protection features (encryption key) on shipped units? I remember reading something about encryption keys earlier in this thread.


Correct, yes, we'll be burning the efuse and using the key to encrypt our shell. The shell will be open to any developer who wishes to release a core to the community. They'll be able to generate a DCP file locally or on a node I can provide, then upload that dcp to us where we generate the bitstream. After manual validation that everything works we'll release the bitstream to the community and it will instantly become available to all miners without any software update (except in the case if it's a new algo that requires software update for nonce validation).

We will be releasing our lyra2z and gpuhoarder will be releasing his cnv1/monerov7.

Is the FPGA on your board socketed ?

No

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June 11, 2018, 02:28:57 PM
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Is there need to have ram on 1525? I mean, I can't mine some algos without ram directly on board?
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We have not advertised any profitability. We're saying, 14Kh/s cryptonightv1 (monerov7), 20Mh/s lyra2z. Draw your own conclusions as to future market conditions and if you think this is a good buy or not.  We're also not using numbers from other devs.

We are selling 5000 units in this batch. There will be no more batches for the rest of 2018. Of the 5000 units, about 1500 have gone to small/medium farms, about 1000 have gone to the community. 2000 units have been reserved by a large farm. They will not be able to pay until friday and we're continuing to sell from their stock to the community until they are able to pay. We've already sold somewhere between 500-1000 depending on how many of these bank deposits actually pay for those units meant for that large farm. Everyone has until friday to place their order. On friday, the farm will get whatever remaining units are available. I realize there's a discrepancy of 500 units, those are warranty stock.


I didn't realize the scale of your venture until now. That's a lot of money. $17.5 million dollars at 3.5k each unit.

If this doesn't push through you'll probably be hunted and killed anyway, so i guess this must be legit. Now i wish i put in an order. Is it really too late? But then again, 5000 units also means potential 70 MH/s will be spread across cryptonight difficulty (current total for Monero is 400 MH/s). Profitability wise, everything really seems downhill.

No it's not too late, orders are still open now https://fpga.land/ -- buy those units before the farm can get them.



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June 11, 2018, 02:39:13 PM
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Is there need to have ram on 1525? I mean, I can't mine some algos without ram directly on board?
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There are currently NO bitstreams that utilize the memory. There are plans for it to be utilized in the future for some operations. However, you can buy the memory at that time on your own if you decide you want to. We will be releasing a memory compatibility list so you know exactly what to buy.


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@senseless,
Yesterday GPUHoarder when answering my question confirmed that there will be a longer warranty  provided for EU customers (2 year warranty) That was also  implied on the item description page.
But the Refund policy above only mentions 90 days warranty.
So would you be able to provide a loger warranty for EU customers or not?
Thanks.
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Products will be warrantied for a "full" 90 days from date of delivery against manufacturer defects.

@senseless,
Yesterday GPUHoarder when answering my question confirmed that there will be a longer warranty  provided for EU customers (2 year warranty) That was also  implied on the item description page.
But the Refund policy above only mentions 90 days warranty.
So would you be able to provide a loger warranty for EU customers or not?
Thanks.

Correct, warranty is "full" 90 days except in locations where law defines the length of the warranty. Keep in mind the EU warranty is not what you think it is. I've read through it a little bit myself. I'm not a lawyer so take that into consideration.... Still, my understanding is that; After 6 months it's on the customer to prove manufacturer responsibility for a card failing. Before 6 months it's on the manufacturer to show there was no defect. So really what you're getting is a 6 month warranty -- but yes, we will follow the letter of the law in EU.


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June 11, 2018, 03:03:34 PM
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Is there need to have ram on 1525? I mean, I can't mine some algos without ram directly on board?
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There are currently NO bitstreams that utilize the memory. There are plans for it to be utilized in the future for some operations. However, you can buy the memory at that time on your own if you decide you want to. We will be releasing a memory compatibility list so you know exactly what to buy.



Taking into consideration planned ZCOIN August fork to MTP, I wouldn't think about board without RAM.

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I'm having a bit of a hard time sorting through everything. If I order one of these, when will it ship? And when I get it, what is the process like for starting to mine cryptonight v1? Also, isn't cryptonight v1 competing with ASICs?
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