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[pille]

I have more than one address, when I uopdate Dash Core I'll lose them?


Thanks.

ALL your addresses are stored inside 'wallet.dat', make sure you have several backups of it in different locations. Update Dash Core will not make you lose anything.

[RBCastro]

I think it is working now, the blocks are beeing updated

Thanks guys

[noobtrader]

Does anyone have the same problem that I'm having?

Its been 2 days that the Dash Core is saying "4 weeks behind" and can't process blocks.

I'm using Dash Core version v0.11.2.23-g9646c5f-beta (32-bit)

Is there anything to do?

Thanks.

Because this is a developing coin, lots of stuff happens, and we've hard forked since version 11.  We're now on 0.12.0.55.  You can be on earlier versions of version 12, but you might find things don't work well, so I highly recommend going with the very latest version which you can download at dashpay.io

Make sure you delete your .dash folder items EXCEPT your .conf file and your wallet.dat file.  With your wallet closed, before upgrading, make a copy of your wallet.dat file as a backup. Then start your wallet and let it sync up.  It should be quick and easy

dont delete, just rename .dash folder to .dash.backup just to be sure. then create new .dash folder, copy .conf file and your wallet.dat from backup to it. run latest wallet.

[TanteStefana2]

Is there going to be a video recording of the meetup/talks put up anywhere? Anyone know when?

Yes, but the recording was professionally done by the organizers, and it's up to them to put it up online.  They promised to do so as quickly as they can, but as Tungfa has said elsewhere, it's their show.  Though they understand we're all dying to see it

[toknormal]

The cool thing is Evan never gets his feathers ruffled (well, unless he's excited about code, LOL) and is always nice and polite.

Agreed. In that vein, it might be useful to address the five latest troll-claims prominently in the OP and patiently point newbies there every time the trolls attack.
There is some reason the trolls keep pounding away here even though most of us have them on Ignore. People suggest they are targeting newbies, and that certainly might be the case although it seems that most of the newbie post action here is from troll puppet hit and run accounts. Maybe the real newbies lurk and read for a long time before wading in, in which case the trolls might actually have an audience to justify their amazing time investment.

A partly-baked draft of the kind of "permanent" rebuttal I mean - I'm sure the team can do it better:

1. See Evan's approach of pointing out what happened re the instamine (over and over and over) - it is what it is, and newbies can accept it or walk away - there is no coercion to use the coin (unlike fiat).

2. The MNs give an incentive to hold more - that is very different from "an unfair advantage to large holders". Anyone at all can join the MN (partial) owner club, whether or not they have 1000 or more coins. The concept is analogous to the now-archaic practice of banks paying interest for the use of your money - the network pays MN owners for their investment. Demonizing this practice is quite a stretch!

3. The claim that MNs are not decentralized is a semantic trick, and the implied "be afraid, be very afraid" element is a psychological trick. Consider - the American acronym-agencies allegedly spy on anything and everything. There is no particular reason to think they pay more attention to Amazon AWS than to anything else. That said, increased diversity is of course wise. As for semantic trickery, there is but one planet Earth (centralized), one Internet (centralized), one group of Dash users (centralized), blah blah. Centralization is in the eye of the beholder, but Dash grows more decentralized every day.

4. This is another "be afraid" ploy, but it is worth thinking about. The claim is that if you hold a MN (or a portion of one?) you might be harassed by future AML laws in some jurisdiction or other. True - you might - there is no way to know what witch-hunts may appear in the future. Now what - what follows from that? It is dangerous to get out of bed in the morning. It is also dangerous to remain in bed. In any case, the troll-claim here (mixing is bad) is contradictory to troll-claim 5 (not mixing is bad).

5. The "mixing is slow" claim is a useful improvement tip. It is semantically loaded though - "slow" compared to what? Regardless, it is used to assert the consequent that mixing is not the default (true, I think) and that therefore fungibility is an issue (true, I think). I seem to remember seeing suggestions for this issue such as "keep mixing running in background", but I haven't paid close enough attention to the details. I'm sure the team is working on it though.
 

That is a great post. Thanks for saving me the typing - I'll go off and do something useful now 

[tungfa]

when is that superblock coming through ?
any ETA
tx

[dazbarlby]

when is that superblock coming through ?
any ETA
tx

Block 365552 (365552-349423)/576 = Roughly 28 Days

Note: You can use "mnbudget nextblock" in the console to find out.


These are the superblocks that were created yesterday.

http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/00000000000f8eff521463c554aa53488ce336f25a1f8acb611eb33d44eb1fd8
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/00000000001997e9f31a3e9903e12b35bcc19b280186d6fba5dd0367abb7da20
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/0000000000043877ac15f7dd9d99924f3100c9aeba6bd99efa01506ffaf68c2f
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/0000000000073f651c1018bad6a4e68a9c577c3dafbf19f3b32677800768bd52
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/00000000001da8297e97ec4f35c945c4eec612cc1e9d6c3acb6e6a597122fbb7
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/0000000000071499556cb23d298218fdc7ece99f498fbe3c0947c0ed891c4efe
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/000000000001ab48d6ddfa0900214f65dbaae8d156e21096d9f3e01e2afeabef

Edit: edited pretty much the whole thing :-)

[tungfa]

when is that superblock coming through ?
any ETA
tx

Block 365552 (365552-349423)/576 = Roughly 28 Days

Note: You can use "mnbudget nextblock" in the console to find out.


These are the superblocks that were created yesterday.

http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/00000000000f8eff521463c554aa53488ce336f25a1f8acb611eb33d44eb1fd8
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/00000000001997e9f31a3e9903e12b35bcc19b280186d6fba5dd0367abb7da20
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/0000000000043877ac15f7dd9d99924f3100c9aeba6bd99efa01506ffaf68c2f
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/0000000000073f651c1018bad6a4e68a9c577c3dafbf19f3b32677800768bd52
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/00000000001da8297e97ec4f35c945c4eec612cc1e9d6c3acb6e6a597122fbb7
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/0000000000071499556cb23d298218fdc7ece99f498fbe3c0947c0ed891c4efe
http://explorer.dashninja.pl/block/000000000001ab48d6ddfa0900214f65dbaae8d156e21096d9f3e01e2afeabef

Edit: edited pretty much the whole thing :-)

beautiful
thats what i was looking for

tx

[Sub-Ether]

Thats why only a few gullible religious fanatics would ever swallow it as being a viable public commodity.

let such anoraks sneak around with their little flyers and toxic propaganda. They're only atrophying their own community and their marketcap with it.

Did you know that Monero can not be blockchain pruned because of ring signatures and so SPV wallets are off the table. Can't see how its scalable with an already bloated blockchain as the liteweight wallets are somewhat tricky, what happens if even 1% of the whole world started using it?

[TanteStefana2]

The cool thing is Evan never gets his feathers ruffled (well, unless he's excited about code, LOL) and is always nice and polite.

Agreed. In that vein, it might be useful to address the five latest troll-claims prominently in the OP and patiently point newbies there every time the trolls attack.
There is some reason the trolls keep pounding away here even though most of us have them on Ignore. People suggest they are targeting newbies, and that certainly might be the case although it seems that most of the newbie post action here is from troll puppet hit and run accounts. Maybe the real newbies lurk and read for a long time before wading in, in which case the trolls might actually have an audience to justify their amazing time investment.

A partly-baked draft of the kind of "permanent" rebuttal I mean - I'm sure the team can do it better:

1. See Evan's approach of pointing out what happened re the instamine (over and over and over) - it is what it is, and newbies can accept it or walk away - there is no coercion to use the coin (unlike fiat).

2. The MNs give an incentive to hold more - that is very different from "an unfair advantage to large holders". Anyone at all can join the MN (partial) owner club, whether or not they have 1000 or more coins. The concept is analogous to the now-archaic practice of banks paying interest for the use of your money - the network pays MN owners for their investment. Demonizing this practice is quite a stretch!

3. The claim that MNs are not decentralized is a semantic trick, and the implied "be afraid, be very afraid" element is a psychological trick. Consider - the American acronym-agencies allegedly spy on anything and everything. There is no particular reason to think they pay more attention to Amazon AWS than to anything else. That said, increased diversity is of course wise. As for semantic trickery, there is but one planet Earth (centralized), one Internet (centralized), one group of Dash users (centralized), blah blah. Centralization is in the eye of the beholder, but Dash grows more decentralized every day.

4. This is another "be afraid" ploy, but it is worth thinking about. The claim is that if you hold a MN (or a portion of one?) you might be harassed by future AML laws in some jurisdiction or other. True - you might - there is no way to know what witch-hunts may appear in the future. Now what - what follows from that? It is dangerous to get out of bed in the morning. It is also dangerous to remain in bed. In any case, the troll-claim here (mixing is bad) is contradictory to troll-claim 5 (not mixing is bad).

5. The "mixing is slow" claim is a useful improvement tip. It is semantically loaded though - "slow" compared to what? Regardless, it is used to assert the consequent that mixing is not the default (true, I think) and that therefore fungibility is an issue (true, I think). I seem to remember seeing suggestions for this issue such as "keep mixing running in background", but I haven't paid close enough attention to the details. I'm sure the team is working on it though.
 

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Instamine and other complaints:

1. The "Instamine": Please see "The Birth of Darkcoin"(now Dash), and this interview on dashdot for more information and points of view people have about the "instamine".  The first 24 hours of what was then called Xcoin had mistakes caused by an excited developer who wanted to get going, who was working a full time job and getting little sleep. Once the dust settled, everyone on board the project voted to continue despite the error.

2. Masternode owners have "unfair advantage":  The MNs are rewarded for holding coins and running a node that services the network.  Anyone with 1000 coins can run a Masternode and take part in the proceeds.  Anyone who doesn't have the full amount of investment needed can join one of many jointly owned Masternodes via a service or trusted group of friends.  Either way, this system benefits all Dash users as well as investors in that it encourages the holding of coins (reduces volatility), secures the network and offers invaluable services.

3. "Masternodes are centralized":  Masternodes are owned and run by hundreds of people and the ownership of Masternodes and Masternode network is growing daily, as can be seen by people announcing their first, second, third, etc... Masternode in the forums as well as the Masternode count climbing on the network.  Although Masternode owners are entitled to their privacy, we have been able to tell where these people are using service providers.  And although at first, many choose to use a familiar and established companies, namely Amazon, the first 6 months or so, the extravagant cost of that particular company and others like it as well as word of mouth have diversified the locations of Masternodes and their service providers; not just in the USA, but all over the world.  Currently, Dash has 60% the number of full, dedicated nodes that Bitcoin has with only about 1% of it's market cap.  In comparison, Dash is far more secure.

4. "Mixing makes you look like a criminal":  This is another "be afraid" ploy, but it is worth thinking about. The claim is that if you hold a MN (or a portion of one?) you might be harassed by future AML laws in some jurisdiction or other. True - you might - there is no way to know what witch-hunts may appear in the future. Now what - what follows from that? It is dangerous to get out of bed in the morning. It is also dangerous to remain in bed. In any case, the claim here (mixing is bad) is contradictory to claim 5 (not mixing is bad).
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[toknormal]

what happens if even 1% of the whole world started using it?

Well there's already 22 people in the United States running their own wallets. I don't know how close to 1% of the world's population that is but it's nearly a whole classroom full of kids so I suppose scaleability is a worry.

Add to that all the recruits they get from passing out leaflets at Dash presentations and they might have a real problem on their hands  

[smooth]

Thats why only a few gullible religious fanatics would ever swallow it as being a viable public commodity.

let such anoraks sneak around with their little flyers and toxic propaganda. They're only atrophying their own community and their marketcap with it.

Did you know that Monero can not be blockchain pruned because of ring signatures and so SPV wallets are off the table.

That's wrong. SPV wallets and pruning have nothing to do with each other. SPV wallets are certainly possible on Monero; the design is built with them in mind (though currently none yet exist).

Pruning is also possible (multiple ways in fact), but I'm not going to discuss how right now.

[BlockaFett]

In the petty battle to get attention for a certain other coin, the trolls are winning - because instead of talking about the new Dash innovation and development, everyone is now talking about the "instamine", and that other coin - so in that sense they are winning.

Why should Dash divert everything now and try to defend against this fake attack and start changing our literature?

That's exactly what they want - if you remember, Monero dev Smooth was here recently threatening to post a daily "warning" here unless "the media" started to report the Dash "instamine" - now look where we are.

The real battle, is developing innovative software that makes people's lives better, and Dash is obviously the winner here, and that is what will count in the end.  

I don't think anyone here really needs to give a damn about these trolls because their incentive is to pump their coin through massive trolling instead of having to put effort into innovating something, and certainly not keep talking about the issues they are raising - it's just a typical BCT organized, fake, paid attack - that will just be a sidenote in history of some failed coin that couldn't develop the right software.

EDIT: Wow - just as I post that, look ^ who happens to pop in lol

[TanteStefana2]

In the petty battle to get attention for a certain other coin, the trolls are winning - because instead of talking about the new Dash innovation and development, everyone is now talking about the "instamine", and that other coin - so in that sense they are winning.

Why should Dash divert everything now and try to defend against this fake attack and start changing our literature?

That's exactly what they want - if you remember, Monero dev Smooth was here recently threatening to post a daily "warning" here unless "the media" started to report the Dash "instamine" - now look where we are.

The real battle, is developing innovative software that makes people's lives better, and Dash is obviously the winner here, and that is what will count in the end.  

I don't think anyone here really needs to give a damn about these trolls because their incentive is to pump their coin through massive trolling instead of having to put effort into innovating something, and certainly not keep talking about the issues they are raising - it's just a typical BCT organized, fake, paid attack - that will just be a sidenote in history of some failed coin that couldn't develop the right software.

EDIT: Wow - just as I post that, look ^ who happens to pop in lol

Are you saying we shouldn't put those arguments up on the OP?  Thing is, if it's there, one could assume that newbies could find the relevant information easily for themselves. We could also answer back on the forum, please read the OP.  I don't think it looks bad on us to admit to the instamine, and to explain how it actually benefited the project.

[Sub-Ether]

EDIT: Wow - just as I post that, look ^ who happens to pop in lol

The response time is truly phenomenal, wish I could that kind of speedy response from my cable provider.
But you are right, lets focus on the work that needs to be done by all of us in the next few months, this can happen but the team needs our help as much as possible, lets do our bit  

[Icebucket]

Did not see this until today when I found a link to it on Dashtalk.

This is the most in depth explanation of the "instamine" I have come across and is quite informative.

http://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118

Give it a peek if you have some concerns  

[BlockaFett]

In the petty battle to get attention for a certain other coin, the trolls are winning - because instead of talking about the new Dash innovation and development, everyone is now talking about the "instamine", and that other coin - so in that sense they are winning.

Why should Dash divert everything now and try to defend against this fake attack and start changing our literature?

That's exactly what they want - if you remember, Monero dev Smooth was here recently threatening to post a daily "warning" here unless "the media" started to report the Dash "instamine" - now look where we are.

The real battle, is developing innovative software that makes people's lives better, and Dash is obviously the winner here, and that is what will count in the end.  

I don't think anyone here really needs to give a damn about these trolls because their incentive is to pump their coin through massive trolling instead of having to put effort into innovating something, and certainly not keep talking about the issues they are raising - it's just a typical BCT organized, fake, paid attack - that will just be a sidenote in history of some failed coin that couldn't develop the right software.

EDIT: Wow - just as I post that, look ^ who happens to pop in lol

Are you saying we shouldn't put those arguments up on the OP?  Thing is, if it's there, one could assume that newbies could find the relevant information easily for themselves. We could also answer back on the forum, please read the OP.  I don't think it looks bad on us to admit to the instamine, and to explain how it actually benefited the project.

Yes - because it's been covered 100s of times already, it's not an issue coming from Dash users but from external trolls, and that is the exact strategy that this group, led by a certain "developer", want.....

....without these attacks, Dash would be just focused 100% on innovation.  

But by spamming "instamine" literally thousands of times on BCT, exchanges, and even in real life now, they are slowing Dash development down.

And they are doing it, because it's the only attack vector they have, in lieu of being able to compete on a technical or commercial level - trying to find any weakness, and making people panic about that.

It's just a side show, forget the newbies on BCT, let the Dash team just build this thing and let's get into the mainstream.  I don't think anything else matters.  Just link Evan's explanation to the instamine if anyone wants it, and lets carry on...

(just my opinion )

[toknormal]

Are you saying we shouldn't put those arguments up on the OP?  Thing is, if it's there, one could assume that newbies could find the relevant information easily for themselves. We could also answer back on the forum, please read the OP.  I don't think it looks bad on us to admit to the instamine, and to explain how it actually benefited the project.

I wouldn't bother, for 2 reasons:

[1] - there is no case to answer as far as the 'instamine' is concerned. A badly launched coin can be a far more secure and viable investment than a so called 'well launched' one - in fact most "well launched" coins have been utter disasters as a long term investment. The only reason it gets thrown in our faces is that it's all there is for those who are attempting to push their own competing agendas, most of which have 'scam factors' that are far more terminal than Dash's early fastmine. None of those are going to go on the header of an ANN thread, you can be sure of that.

[2] - Dash's future markets are not the readers of bitcointalk. They are commercial economic sectors who will adopt a cryptocurrency on grounds of pure economic advantage - nothing else. If a monetary media can demonstrate a proven profitability in a sector, it will get used. If it doesn't it won't. Dash's mission is to acquire the technological properties that deliver such a gain. It has jack to do with the launch.

[smooth]

what happens if even 1% of the whole world started using it?

Well there's already 22 people in the United States running their own wallets.

That's also wrong. Those are currently active reachable nodes. In fact most people using a wallet won't keep their node up all the time, only when they are actually using it for transactions, and most end user nodes don't end up being reachable because they are behind a router/NAT/etc.

[qwizzie]

Holland FinTech
tomorrow October 9, 2015
3:30 PM to 6:30 PM !

 
http://www.meetup.com/Holland-FinTech-Meetup/events/219713936/

hmmm, to go or not to go ?   (i happen to have a free day tomorrow)
decisions, decisions, decisions......
 
edit : looks like i made the decision for me (not that many chairs left to think long about it anyways)