[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[Honest Tim]

Looking for a Seedbox? Solid provider www.seedstuff.ca is now accepting Dash!

https://twitter.com/seedstuff/status/709083210643324928

Brilliant! Been meaning to get myself a super fast naughty box for a while. What better way to pay for it than with an anonymous crypto.

EDIT > for the uninitiated http://seedboxgui.de/guides/what-is-a-seedbox/

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Looking for a Seedbox? Solid provider www.seedstuff.ca is now accepting Dash!

https://twitter.com/seedstuff/status/709083210643324928

Brilliant! Been meaning to get myself a super fast naughty box for a while. What better way to pay for it than with an anonymous crypto.

I highly recommend them. Been using them for two years.

[AlexGR]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396930
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334082

(Cryptsy-related)

[Honest Tim]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396930
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334082

(Cryptsy-related)

I find it a bit rich, coming from you of all people after what you did with Mintpal.




































































LOLZ 

[TanteStefana2]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396930
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334082

(Cryptsy-related)

I find it a bit rich, coming from you of all people after what you did with Mintpal.



































































LOLZ  

It took me 2 minutes to understand what you were saying, then realized poor AlexGR who is not that Alex Green, but instead ended up with the worst possible BCT name for 2015

Yah, our AlexGR is a long time Dash man, and OK, so no worries there

[TanteStefana2]

Also, a big thank you goes out to Dr. Toknormal, thank you for your insight once again.  Sorry I fell asleep after I called for you, LOL

 

[Honest Tim]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396930
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334082

(Cryptsy-related)

I find it a bit rich, coming from you of all people after what you did with Mintpal.

LOLZ  

It took me 2 minutes to understand what you were saying, then realized poor AlexGR who is not that Alex Green, but instead ended up with the worst possible BCT name for 2015

Yah, our AlexGR is a long time Dash man, and OK, so no worries there

I know, he's ranted about it before. Just couldn't resist yanking his chain.

[splawik21]

LIVE NOW!

1st dashroundtable show!

https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-dash-round-table-episode-00.8315/

https://youtu.be/JAuiskUNRnw

[AlexGR]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396930
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334082

(Cryptsy-related)

I find it a bit rich, coming from you of all people after what you did with Mintpal.

LOLZ  

It took me 2 minutes to understand what you were saying, then realized poor AlexGR who is not that Alex Green, but instead ended up with the worst possible BCT name for 2015

Yah, our AlexGR is a long time Dash man, and OK, so no worries there

I know, he's ranted about it before. Just couldn't resist yanking his chain.

In any case, if anyone has stuck btc or dash maybe he might get it back eventually (?)...

[splawik21]

--- DASH TECH FEATURED AT EXMO, PLEASE MOVE YOUR TRADING FROM POLONIEX! ---

https://exmo.com

An improved trading experience awaits Dash traders:

http://youtu.be/40n6joIOkVg

If you care about Dash, please move your trading to https://exmo.com. They are supporting Dash technology by enabling InstantX, and they are not a base for rival coins such as Monero on Poloniex.

Plus, the site is pretty slick!

Thanks and please bump,

Tao

Dash on Exmo - Security AND mobility with InstantX
(Speed is Safety)
 
tx tao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40n6joIOkVg&feature=youtu.be

Great Tao!

If someone of you have not the EXMO account you can use my refferal: REGISTER HERE ON EXMO.COM

Till the end of march all the earnings from the fees goes to TAO - great video my friend

TaoOfSaatoshi, so far in the end of this month your way will be sent:

0.01780958 BTC
0.05402503 DASH

Thank you guys for registering and trying the EXMO, they are great!
Today I asked them for adding the USD/EUR/DASH pairs, will see.

[toknormal]

LIVE NOW!

1st dashroundtable show!

https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-dash-round-table-episode-00.8315/

https://youtu.be/JAuiskUNRnw

That was a great listen.

So much better to have blockchain proposals discussed face to face like that with audio. Brings them alive !

[TreasureSeeker]

That was a great listen.

So much better to have blockchain proposals discussed face to face like that with audio. Brings them alive !

Yes, I enjoyed that!  There needs to be some promotion of the show to get more listeners.

[someredguy]

https://bittrex.com is also a great place to buy/sell Dash.

[AzzAz]

ETH rollercoaster. Tok why you did that? 

[G.avinMcInnes]

LIVE NOW!

1st dashroundtable show!

https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-dash-round-table-episode-00.8315/

https://youtu.be/JAuiskUNRnw

That was a great listen.

So much better to have blockchain proposals discussed face to face like that with audio. Brings them alive !

What do you think of this ether madness sir?

Looks like it may be dumping or going higher.

[tungfa]

Money preparedness. Five blockchain currencies compaired. More useful than national currencies?
 
http://www.peakprosperity.com/discussion/97335/money-preparedness-five-blockchain-currencies-compaired-more-useful-national-curren

[MasterMined710]

ICEBREAKER, long time no see! Maybe you could help me with a little problem I'm having:

Dash De-anonymization Contest

Icebreaker and other trolleros: I have donated $1 to Monero's development team. I sent 0.25 Dash (TX ID: 59d51690d4b56ddbf1e393fa8d3a49bcfc3247f270f36be3b6ee411802666cba-000) to shapeshift.io, which converted it to Bitcoin and sent it to the official Monero donation address listed at https://getmonero.org/getting-started/donate/.

I challenge you to de-anonymize this transaction. To make it just a little easier, I only used four rounds of Darksend, so it's exponentially less private than it would be with the maximum eight rounds.

Please tell me what address this transaction originated from.

Cheers!

i see nobody has been able to de-anonymize this 4 round transaction.

[TanteStefana2]

Why DarkSend works so well:

Darksend is ahead of time mixing at the protocol level.  Each wallet has it's balances denominated in 100s, 10s, 1s, 0.1, etc...  Actually, they include a tiny fee in the denomination so that the amounts include this for when you send.  Example: 10.0001, 1.0001, 0.1001, etc...  These denominations can easily be expanded to lower denominations as the coin grows in value. 

These amounts are mixed by basically renaming their account number with a new account number, provided by the original wallet, but is completely untraceable to that wallet. (as all account numbers are)  By renaming at the same time others are renaming their same denominated funds, you don't know which of the actual funds come from where.  It instills doubt and thus privacy.

What this does is allow anyone with a copy of the block chain to follow the coin.  No fancy math that completely obfuscates the blockchain so you can't physically follow the coins and tell if more coins are being introduced or anything is being manipulated.  In such coins, you have to trust the encryption and the way it was used in the program.  This is certainly more opaque than Dash, but not open to audit like Bitcoin.... and Dash.  Dash does NOT want opacity, only privacy.  Which is in fact arguably as private as opacity with the added bonus of being able to see, on the block chain, when something incorrect happens. (and thus discovering a loop hole or bug)

Why so many rounds of mixing?  Because, in it's current format, the user's IP could be tracked by a malicious MN.  The chances of a malicious MN successfully tracking your mixes exponentially decreases the more you mix.  There have been charts posted of the chances of revealing the origins of a mix after 2, 3, 4, etc rounds of mixing, and they are miniscule, even if 90% of the MNs were owned by one malicious entity.

Still, the next iteration of DarkSend will hide the IP addresses of the users through the DAPI that is part of the Evolution project.  Evan forsees one round of mixing as being acceptable, and 2 as being basically (my words) for the paranoid.  Aside from that, the coins will no longer have to wait, because the underlying structure will take care of that (and thus, no IP address will be around, not if you're using the Evo wallet.  The information, in that case, will come from the sharded database and user info will be completely hidden.  Only account numbers can be seen in that case.  And of course, people will pay to user names, not long stringed account numbers, making everything so much easier to use

So basically, DarkSend has never been broken, and does not need to be fixed.  However, it is evolving due to the new opportunities afforded the new Dash Evolution structure coming this year.  Which, by the way, can be used anonymously (never publishing your user name), openly, or finally, there will still be the old style wallet for the truly paranoid

[iCEBREAKER]

Why DarkSend works so well

{HOPIUM}

Any plans to fix DarkSend with CT in light of this?  (DarkSend is Dash's special version of CoinJoin.)

Bitcoin Privacy: "Confidential Transactions" Feature Can Fix Some of CoinJoin's Problems
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-privacy-confidential-transactions-feature-can-fix-some-of-coinjoin-s-problems-1457703275

“It’s very difficult to do a CoinJoin in a way that improves privacy, and it’s also very difficult to measure how much privacy we get. By hiding amounts, we allow combining transactions in a way that we no longer have this clear correlation. [With Confidential Transactions], I have a couple of outputs, Mark has a couple of outputs, and nobody can see the amounts. When we put them together, now it’s just a pile of outputs with no one else associated.”

[TanteStefana2]

I've answered Icy, there are problems with CoinJoin, but not with DarkSend other than it takes planning (ahead of time mixing) which takes longer.  In Dash Evolution it will be instant as one won't have to worry about IP address exposure nor multiple rounds (and timing issues that entails) which DarkSend already fixes.

As far as censorship by miners, Evan came home from the Satoshi Roundtable with a realization that this is an issue, as well as with a plan to fix it.  They promise to let us in on it as soon as they verify it can indeed work, whatever it is   It's important to not that no miner in Bitcoin nor Dash has attempted to censor what goes on the blockchain, so this is a theoretical issue, that may never be attempted (and if it were, it could simply be picked up by the next block) however, improvements are always welcome.  Mining in Dash is also not the last say on changes, so that issue is very Different in Dash than in Bitcoin.  Finally, mining centralization is a part of what Evan is working on and he'll announce when he has something solid

There are many ways to resolve problems.  But Dash's willingness to innovate at the protocol level, and Dash's innovations themselves have given it unique clear oportunities of handling these issues that nobody else can accomplish.

Everyone wants Bitcoin to do well.  Without Bitcoin, the whole ecosystem could stall.  It's the gateway out of fiat.  So I hope they can resolve these issues.

Is it a threat to Dash?  Certainly not yet, and if they push us, or other coins push us, it can only be good to be challenged, making Dash better than ever.  Bring it on!