[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[toknormal]

Evan is crazy to think he can do distributed storage better than STORJ, SIA, and MAIDSAFE

I doubt it.

Distributed storage is about to become 10 a penny. Once Google did it, you'll find that it comes free with Cornflakes packets. What makes Dash unique is that it is perfect money. Better than bitcoin (because more fungible), better than Monero (because not blurry) and better than Ether (which isn't a currency).

Shen may decide to de-anon Dash's entire blockchain like he just did to Shadowcash

He may, but he can't so he won't.

With no cryptanalytic peer review to back up Dash's claims of privacy with actual mathematical proof, bagholders are getting nervous.

Most everyday users of technology would not trust an academic as far as they could throw them. When it comes to money, they trust what they can see, not what they can't see.

[qwizzie]

I see Risto is still paying 4 XMR a day to his lap dogs.

4 XMR a day to bump our ANN thread and throw some attention to it, not a bad bargain for Dash if you ask me. i wonder who of us is paying Risto though   

[Jestah]

Dear TheDashGuy/FeelTheBern,

Masternode owners are smart, free thinking people and they do not need your constant abrasive campaigning. You are not the hero you think you are.

Sincerely,

Spatula

use the "IGNORE" button
on BCT and DT ! that is the only hope out there
who can listen to these rants all day

DT makes me want to chew my face off.  Ignorant, classless, cringe-worthy, embarrassing posts everywhere.
  

[iCEBREAKER]

With no cryptanalytic peer review to back up Dash's claims of privacy with actual mathematical proof, bagholders are getting nervous.

Most everyday users of technology would not trust an academic as far as they could throw them. When it comes to money, they trust what they can see, not what they can't see.

You'll excuse me if I find your historically infamous/hilarious opinions on cryptography and academia less than persuasive.   

Almost everything on and connecting to your computer, trusted or otherwise, was developed by academics (albeit in conjunction with the military-industrial complex).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#University_and_work_on_computability

http://www.mit.edu/~prz/EN/background/index.html

http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIND

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_sockets

Like Shadowcash, Dash will find out why "good crypto" is peer reviewed by eggheads in ivory towers, not slapped together by some ginger in his garden shed and marketed like snake oil.

[TanteStefana2]

Icy is so misinformed malformed and confused, so I thought I'd elaborate on Tok's replies a little:

Evan is crazy to think he can do distributed storage better than STORJ, SIA, and MAIDSAFE

I doubt it.

Distributed storage is about to become 10 a penny. Once Google did it, you'll find that it comes free with Cornflakes packets. What makes Dash unique is that it is perfect money. Better than bitcoin (because more fungible), better than Monero (because not blurry) and better than Ether (which isn't a currency).

Just wanted to add, Dash's distributed storage is limited to users who are using the Dash Evolution wallet, nothing else.  It's an integral part of the whole of what Dash does.

Shen may decide to de-anon Dash's entire blockchain like he just did to Shadowcash

He may, but he can't so he won't.

You can't de-anonymize Dash like a cryptographic problem.  Dash uses only logic based obfuscation.  You can see all transactions, but you can't be certain where the funds came from.  Simple, verifiable, auditable on the blockchain yet fully obscured.

With no cryptanalytic peer review to back up Dash's claims of privacy with actual mathematical proof, bagholders are getting nervous.

Most everyday users of technology would not trust an academic as far as they could throw them. When it comes to money, they trust what they can see, not what they can't see.

[/quote]

Kristov Atlas already did a peer review.  I don't know what you're talking about.  Except for implementing his suggestions, we have the same system working today as we did then.  Solid.

[TanteStefana2]

Dear TheDashGuy/FeelTheBern,

Masternode owners are smart, free thinking people and they do not need your constant abrasive campaigning. You are not the hero you think you are.

Sincerely,

Spatula

use the "IGNORE" button
on BCT and DT ! that is the only hope out there
who can listen to these rants all day

DT makes me want to chew my face off.  Ignorant, classless, cringe-worthy, embarrassing posts everywhere.
  

Only on a few threads, mostly everyone is respectful   Don't get too down on it

[Bridgewater]

Dear TheDashGuy/FeelTheBern,

Masternode owners are smart, free thinking people and they do not need your constant abrasive campaigning. You are not the hero you think you are.

Sincerely,

Spatula

use the "IGNORE" button
on BCT and DT ! that is the only hope out there
who can listen to these rants all day

DT makes me want to chew my face off.  Ignorant, classless, cringe-worthy, embarrassing posts everywhere.
  

Don't worry about it.  My theory is that the louder, more frequent and more obnoxiously asserting the "will of the community" the posts come across, it means the fewer masternodes that poster actually controls.  

IIRC, thedashguy/feelthebern does not even own one single masternode himself, so in absence of money (true power and control), his only avenue to assert control is by trying to change the minds of the people who actually have power.

Those who have money became that way because they were able to identify and tune out--or take with heaping tablespoons of salt--the assertions of beggars and shamers, and instead act on their natural capitalistic instincts.

So don't worry, most people will see it for what it is--noise.  Even if some extreme posters appear to get really pissed off and rage quit, the MN count will barely budge.  And they'll keep coming back, too, because that's what they do!  There will always be fresh investment meat for them to try to convince and vote their way (which seems to be socialistic under the guise of the "decentralization" rhetoric).  

Remember, socialism is a parasite that drains wealth by convincing those who produce that they don't deserve it.  It cannot survive without the money and production of others. Its only weapon is talk.

[toknormal]

Almost everything on and connecting to your computer, trusted or otherwise, was developed by academics

Indeed.

But money was not created by academics. It evolved over centuries and the monetary media concerned were chosen by ordinary people, not academics, based on their ability to see and verify the integrity of the said medium.

The more you can see and verify, the more valuable the monetary medium. The less you can see and verify, the less valuable the monetary medium.

I don't need to convince you of that principle. Satoshi already understood it and built it into bitcoin. The fact that there is no counterparty underwriting the numbers in a bitcoin address means that the public is the caretaker and counterparty and therefore has to see everything. That includes the balances at all addresses, the transaction ID and the movement at each end.

Saying that "it's all taken care of by math" is b.s. The shadowcash experience has demonstrated that and ring signatures, stealth addresses and all other toytown trainspotter spyware are now toast because of it. (They always were to me, I just didn't expect a practical example to arrive so soon).

[iCEBREAKER]

Almost everything on and connecting to your computer, trusted or otherwise, was developed by academics

Indeed.

But money was not created by academics. It evolved over centuries and the monetary media concerned were chosen by ordinary people, not academics, based on their ability to see and verify the integrity of the said medium.

The more you can see and verify, the more valuable the monetary medium. The less you can see and verify, the less valuable the monetary medium.

I don't need to convince you of that principle. Satoshi already understood it and built it into bitcoin. The fact that there is no counterparty underwriting the numbers in a bitcoin address means that the public is the caretaker and counterparty and therefore has to see everything. That includes the balances at all addresses, the transaction ID and the movement at each end.

Saying that "it's all taken care of by math" is b.s. The shadowcash experience has demonstrated that and ring signatures, stealth addresses and all other toytown trainspotter spyware are now toast because of it. (They always were to me, I just didn't expect a practical example to arrive so soon).

A cryptocurrency that doesn't have transparency isn't money. It may be a conduit for money, but it isn't money in its own right.

There are many monetary mediums.  Only some of them are money.  And only some types of money are good money.

Aristotle was the first to define good money.  Aristotle was a student of Plato.

Plato's Academy was the first higher learning institution in the Western world.

What is your beef with academics?  Did you get a really shitty SAT score and start growing that chip on your shoulder in high school?

Don't you realize academics are just "ordinary people" that happen to have a much higher scholastic aptitude than your own?

The anti-intellectual derping might work on your NASCAR and dog-fighting forums, but here in crypto-land we highly prize and cherish our brilliant peers and learned professors.

Pushing the narrative that Duffield's folksy homespun crypto is better than what those fancy-pants four-eyed nerds can up with is going to be a hard task, especially once you leave the cloistered, parochial confines of DashTalk.   

[toknormal]

What is your beef with academics?  Did you get a really shitty SAT score and start growing that chip on your shoulder in high school?

Maybe I'll leave the readers of our respective contributions to decide who's the academic between us.

[gusterdd]

What's going on masternodes?
It is going to the moon, price would  dig to the earth.  

[Riseman]

What's going on masternodes?
It is going to the moon, price would  dig to the earth.  

There's a theory that eventually this will cause a "phase transition" and the price will jump because of decreasing liquidity in the presence of a stable/increasing demand. Those who want to participate in the experiment are grabbing their tickets now, as it seems.

[toknormal]

It is going to the moon, price would  dig to the earth.

The relevant signal shows up in the 1-week OBV.

No other indicator that I've seen.

[iCEBREAKER]

What is your beef with academics?  Did you get a really shitty SAT score and start growing that chip on your shoulder in high school?

Maybe I'll leave the readers of both our contributions to decide who's the academic between us.

I'm not surprised you'd rather deflect, with an appeal to populism, criticism of your anti-intellectual derping than defend your prejudiced view of academics' role in crypto (while claiming to be one, which by your own knuckle-dragging standard implies you are not trustworthy).

As for the readers' decision, it should be easy given you have zero credibility on the subject left after this famous charbroiling:

Cryptography has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency - even though it may share the first few letters. It works on a system of digital signatures.

It would seem that you actually do not understand what cryptography is in the modern sense.

A fundamental nature of information is that it wants to be freely copied everywhere to everyone. That any bit is equal and indistinguishable from any other bit of the same value and that any bit is eventually known to all who care.  Cryptography is all that technology by which we hope to confine and constrain the nature of information, to put up fences and direct it to our exclusive purposes, against all attacks and in defiance of the seemingly (and perhaps actually) impossible.  Digital signatures are cryptography by any modern definition and utilize the same tools and techniques (for example, a DSA signature is a linear equation encrypted with an additively homorphic encryption), and suffer from most of the same challenges as the message encryption systems to which you seem to be incorrectly defining cryptography as equivalent.  Moreover, the use of digital signatures isn't the only (or even most relevant) aspect of cryptography in cryptocurrencies-- e.g. the prevention of double spending of otherwise perfectly copyable and indistinguishable information in a decentralized system is a cryptographic problem which we address using cryptographic tools, and-- like all other practical cryptography-- achieve far less than perfect confidence in our solution. As are more modest ends like interacting with strangers but not being subject to resource exhaustion from them.

Far more so than other sub-fields of engineering, cryptographic systems are doing something which is fundamentally at odds with nature and share an incredible fragility and subtly as a result (and perhaps all are failures, we have no proof otherwise).

A failure to understand and respect these considerations has resulted in a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software.

On a scale of 1 to #REKT, how would you rate that burn?   

[toknormal]

On a scale of 1 to #REKT, how would you rate that burn?  

Well, on your scale, if #REKT is infinity, hopefully I might still have something to aspire to.

Nice to see my archive is random access indexed by now  

[iCEBREAKER]

your scale
your quote list

It sure is easier to discuss me than defend an epically ignorant statement like

"Cryptography has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency - even though it may share the first few letters"

isn't it?

Gmax's (inexplicably unamused) response burned away any residual academic respectability you may have once had.

Dash is exactly what he was referring to when he mentioned that your "failure to understand and respect these considerations has resulted in a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software."

[toknormal]

Gmax's (inexplicably unamused) response burned away any residual academic respectability you may have once had.

No.

He didn't.

Nor have I "burned away any residual academic respectability" he has despite my pointing out how dumb some of his ideas about money are.

[Jestah]

tok...what are you doing?    wake up wake up....its only a dream.  lol.  Its not worth engaging you know that.

hahah, you're right.  You wanna know another thing..... TDG is not much different than IB.  I think he's a 4 xmr plant.

[bigrcanada1]

tok...what are you doing?    wake up wake up....its only a dream.  lol.  Its not worth engaging you know that.

hahah, you're right.  You wanna know another thing..... TDG is not much different than IB.  I think he's a 4 xmr plant.

starting to look that way.......

Now now...thats a bit harsh.  People are all different.   Some of the tactics have not been to my taste...I do admit.  But such is the way things are with open sourced community.    I have a couple of very close friends like that in my life.  SOLID...would back me up anywhere any time and have done so many times and in one case saved my life...for real.  But socially....oh man, they are a liability.  Bulls in china shop that once they are focused on something or some thought, holy geez, can't get them back from the brink for weeks.  I just walk away....and just know they mean well, and I luv em like brothers.    just like family!

[toknormal]

Bulls in china shop

LoL ! I wouldn't exactly equate the Dash thread with a China shop but I assure you I'd behave adequately if I found myself in one.

It's interesting how avatars can acquire a personality of their own. Some eons ago I used to circulate under another handle which was very polite. I did the odd trading commentary, never swore and only posted with the utmost of decorum.

Then that became a bit restrictive for bitcointalk so I gave myself another one with a bit more latitude. Hence this handle which basically did the same but was also allowed to engage in the odd ding dong.

Sorry if I alarmed anyone but I'm sure you'll find more turbulent storms on mumsnet  

(Or maybe you were talking about TheDashGuy I just realised. Never mind.)

What about that 1-week OBV then ? Weird. It so looks like a sustained cash-out by a huge holder given the simultaneous steady demand for masternodes. I held my hands up after that "snapback" post the other day once people pointed out that the price profile was no different from the background trading patterns, but this stands out like a sore thumb. It most definitely is different. Maybe that's Big Vern's footprint.