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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9724929 times)
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I hope it really grows in the future
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August 14, 2018, 01:49:57 AM

IX requires 6 of 10 signatures to create a transaction lock.

Which is exactly what I wrote it must do, and exactly what I wrote when I surmised that your white paper was implying the highly jammable design of 10-of-10.

But as I pointed out in the correct math (which is clear you still haven't grasped), even 6-of-10 can be jammed 62% of the time (and multiply spent the other 38% of the time) given a 50% attack on the masternodes (i.e. the 50% attack on masternodes can attack 100% of the InstantX transactions). Even at 10% attack on masternodes, then every 666th UTXO can be jammed and roughly every 10,000th UTXO can be multiply spent. So if there are 66,600 UXTO, then a 10% attack on the masternodes (i.e. controlling 10% of the masternodes) roughly can jam 100 of the available UXTO and double-spend (actually multiply spend, i.e. unlimited lies can be announced by masternodes) 7 of them.

These sort of flaws are amateurish. You are in over your head. You are a programmer and some sort of finance person and a reasonably good marketer mining the gullible speculators (but not to actual users of currency), but you are not capable enough on the block chain theory.

This entire argument is based on an invalid premise! So your jamming attack doesn't work...

Nope. My entire argument is you apparently still don't know how to do basic probability math.

Will you attempt to copy my design and order Dash's masternode announcements? Then will you try to copy my design and merge all the orphans? If not, you will still have attack flaws in your design. Will you replace the deposit for controlling a masternodes with a nomination by PoW, so as to avoid the flaw of externalities that can finance the purchase of masternodes, e.g. shorting the coin.

Well even if you do manage to copy my design, you still can't fix the fact that attacking masternodes is a one-time cost and not sublinear (ongoing cost) as per attacking a correctly designed PoW coin (which is the point that has been made by myself, monsterer, and smooth). And thus Dash is a proof-of-stake security model, not a proof-of-work. Thus it can be undermined by for example combining shorting with attacking masternodes. And you won't get all the small details correct, because you simply don't have enough smart people helping you, because apparently the smart people don't want to work on your closed source during development (and very well documented allegations: fraud) coin. I would never work on your coin, because you have no usership. It is all marketing to speculators to mine the speculators. What is the point? We are supposed to be creating crypto to change the world and entice millions or billions of users. But that has never been your marketing plan. You've always been mining the speculators instead.

And also I do believe the SEC will be coming after you eventually for very clearly running an unregistered illegal investment security (and you come from the finance world so you know very well that you are skirting the securities law). Hope you've paid off the regulators with the $million you mined from the gullible speculators in crypto. Personally I don't see how it has been worth it. The $million you've perhaps pocketed will never sustain you to be rich for the rest of your life, and you will constantly have hanging over your head the threat of SEC action at any time in the future. That is criminal liability in exchange for $million. Not worth it. You are nearing the end of the road for your run.

When I originally assisted you on some of the errors in your original design which caused you to invent masternodes, I viewed you as a nice guy who was trying to develop something. When all these allegations of fraud and premine crap came out, I was very shamed that I had let you get away with promoting Dash. I always knew that Dash was a barely literate design (come on do you really want me to explain how your new anonymity design will be just as flawed as the current on in Dash!), but I didn't want to interfere because I am not the altcoin police (unlike smooth who sometimes tries to act like a sheriff). But really I have to tell you frankly, that I am ashamed that you have mined the speculators and not proposed any real impact for mass usership. And now you have the audacity to go pumping up this Evolution design as some great innovation and fooling more gullible speculators. I mean if you hadn't of done the fraud thing, I would probably not be hitting you so hard now. Again I don't go around harping on the fraud thing, because I am not the altcoin police. But pleeeaaaseee do not try to argue that you are capable on block chain theory tech. You are not.

I don't want to help you because you are doing evil in terms of the goals we as a community are trying to reach. You are siphoning away money from the community and not putting it towards actual innovation (both marketing and technical) that could really help us deal with the problem of a State gone amok. Help us to reach the ideals of crypto. Instead you are just mining the speculators and they seem to believe you are technically capable. You are capable enough to produce code, and you are capable enough to correct mistakes that are pointed out to you. But you are not capable enough to get the really smart people to work with you on ongoing basis, because you are not going in the correct direction in terms of the purpose of why we are here supporting crypto in the first place, which is to get millions of users to use crypto and to better the world (while also making money from increased adoption, not from mining from each other i.e. extracting money from each other in zero-sum game on this forum).

Maybe if you mea culpa on the premine crap and work towards bettering the world instead fooling (ahem marketing to the) the speculators, then maybe I would feel like helping you. But any way, I am moving forward on trying to move the crypto world forward in the direction it needs to be going. Maybe you should help me! I helped you before and you made a lot of money from me standing aside and not criticizing Dash in the early days. Maybe now it is time for you to pay back to the community.

And most definitely you can't duplicate my marketing plan directly to millions of users.

This is the end of the road for Dash.

It will be evident some weeks from now that Dash has no future.


Edit: I will look at your source code links when I have time. I need to head out the door to do errands. If I discover that any of my points are incorrect, I will mea culpa. Again I don't hate you, but I feel I must be frank about the technology because we really need innovation that help us reach the goals of crypto and not just half-assed tech from guys who design schemes to siphon off the capital of crypto into their pockets. And again I have studied the SEC regulations and all these marketing to speculators is clearly a violation of the Howey test for being an unregistered illegal investment security. It doesn't matter how you've obfuscated it by pretending the masternodes are in control, the Supreme Court has consistently said that the test overlooks any attempts to obfuscate the economic reality of the situation. Then on top of that is the evidence of deception with the premine and the advertised money supply protocol being altered ex post facto, etc.

And afaik you are a USA citizen, so thus you incur the maximum culpability.




no wonder vertoe left

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

And now the poor little DashHoles are crying that their instamined shitcoin is falling in CMC rank because "Dash NEVER marketed itself to speculators."  Grin

Dear Callalilly,
Bless your heart, but ETC has zero budget to market itself to speculators, while Dash has spent many years and millions of Treasury dollars doing exactly that. Cheesy


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August 14, 2018, 02:15:50 AM

Venezuelans jumped out of the frying pan and in to the fire! From Bolivar to Dash
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August 14, 2018, 03:12:53 AM

Icey... Way to much to read. No one cares enough to read all that crap. Keep it simple stupid.  Geez... People have busy live's these days...respect them please thanks.

Your friendly Dashhole.

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August 14, 2018, 05:50:21 AM
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Looks like Bitcoin has fallen below $6000 which explains the dramatic decline of the altcoin prices
yesterday and today. Some traders must have seen this coming and took action.

This is pretty much a decline across the board both in price and marketcap and will lead to another
shifting of ranks, which can already be seen happening here :

https://www.coinranker.net

(this site by the way excludes tether, which is just a direct peg to the dollar)

And here :

https://coinmarketcap.com

Survival of the fittest is in full force now for the altcoins and maybe even for Bitcoin.
Hype sentiment is getting replaced by realistic sentiment in this bear market,
which will have a profound impact on many cryptoprojects out there.

I strongly believe that Dash will survive this and grow stronger once this bear market ends,
it just requires patience and a little bit of understanding of the market.

Dont let trolls like yonton and Icey get to you on an emotional level with their FUD,
its not wearth getting upset over.
 
In my eyes these trolls are good for one thing and one thing only : to bump our Dash ANN thread  Cheesy
This will keep Dash as most viewed and replied Altcoin ANN thread for a very very long time.


 

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August 14, 2018, 06:21:45 AM

Exactly!
Bitcoin has dramatic side-effects on altcoin, including our favorite coin, DASH.
Looks like Bitcoin has fallen below $6000 which explains the dramatic decline of the altcoin prices
yesterday and today. Some traders must have seen this coming and took action.
Of course, DASH will do survive through one of the worst period this year.
Good news amongst current unexpected period is the DASH team have kept working hard and our community have continuously expanded over time.
It's normal if altcoins drop to their starting points last year before driving up again, personally.
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I strongly believe that Dash will survive this and grow stronger once this bear market ends,
it just requires patience and a little bit of understanding of the market.

Dont let trolls like yonton and Icey get to you on an emotional level with their FUD,
its not wearth getting upset over.
 
In my eyes these trolls are good for one thing and one thing only : to bump our Dash ANN thread  Cheesy


 

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August 14, 2018, 12:33:58 PM

Now 144! At what point can you admit defeat?

its noe defeat. I will call it New Begining. Maybe we will see a little low and up maybe now. But hope for best


I think we’re beyond the point of recovery now, no top coins have ever experienced a crash this significant. At best dash becomes just another low ranked shit coin.

Lol you just new in crypto? there where crashes like 90% with bitcoin so it`s normal.
I think you bought ATH and now calling all coins shitcoins...
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Bitrefill Continues Expansion and Dash Integration, Including 10% Off Orders Paid with Dash


Bitrefill, the online merchant that sells gift cards and vouchers for cryptocurrencies, is continuing to expand its offerings, including payment via Dash and a limited 10% discount when paying with Dash.

Dash Force News talked with Bitrefill about their overall goals, expansion, and Dash integration.


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August 14, 2018, 01:50:24 PM

PRESS RELEASE Larry King, Dash CEO Ryan Taylor Join Blockchain Futurist Conference Distinguished Speakers List
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August 14, 2018, 02:00:49 PM

iCEBREAKER that post is from like 3 years ago. Is this a new level of copy paste trolling? Those arguments are ridiculous. Not a single attack has happened as you/ or whoever it was posted that rubbish described. Not one. Hows your ETC investment going? With their amazing roadmap

yonton stop pretending only Dash is going down. This is across the board. You know it full well.

Dash will be one of those that emerges all the stronger as qwizzie said. You know it.


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August 14, 2018, 06:51:20 PM


Bitmain Releases Crypto Holdings, Owns 70% As Much Dash As Bitcoin As of March


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The cryptocurrency mining equipment manufacturing giant, leading up to filing for its initial public offering (IPO), disclosed its cryptocurrency holdings, both in units and priced in USD, as of March of 2018. The results show an overwhelming portion of funds held in Bitcoin Cash, with Bitcoin and Dash not far from each other in second and third place, and Litecoin and Ethereum trailing behind.


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August 14, 2018, 07:23:22 PM

Sell your Dash!
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What happens to trolls that run out of arguments to use against the cryptocurrency they target ?
They become like yonton : braindead, irrational, irrelevant. Only capable of shouting sell sell sell.

If we had some form of ranking system for trolls, it would pretty much put such a troll on the absolute lowest rank
(lets call it the yonton rank).

To those trolls that managed to descend all the way to the yonton rank :



Congratz, you all just hit rock bottom with regards to trolling.

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Hey - today I reviewed DASH Cheesy

http://doiownashitcoin.com/blog/index.php/2018/08/14/dash-shitcoin-review/

Let me know if there is something else I should add/take away.

Cheers and keep up the good work
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I like that Dash is best known as the first crypto currency with an emphasis on anonymity and transaction speed and it still holds its positions.
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Hey - today I reviewed DASH Cheesy

http://doiownashitcoin.com/blog/index.php/2018/08/14/dash-shitcoin-review/

Let me know if there is something else I should add/take away.

Cheers and keep up the good work

Some corrections are needed Mike :

* 10% of the blockrewards do not go to a Dash Foundation, it goes to a decentralized budget system that uses a superblock
   once a month to pay out the budget proposals.
* Daniel Diaz is not a founder of Dash so far i know, that would have been InternetApe who sold his Dash a long time ago.
   Daniel also left Dash (last year i think ?) and has been replaced by Bradley Zastrow.
* I'm not totally sure your information about Evan is correct, i will let others comment on that.
* Also some information about Dash Evolution would have been nice (https://www.dash.org/evolution/)

Above points excluding, its a dopeshit review i think  Grin




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August 14, 2018, 08:43:36 PM

who are all still holding it? I still have my bag with me  Kiss
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who are all still holding it? I still have my bag with me  Kiss

holding since 2014

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who are all still holding it? I still have my bag with me  Kiss

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