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[etoque]

Oho Otoh will be happy finally some coins into his e-walls.
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more

So you expect the price drop massively under 0.012,who's gonna dump more than 20k of dark now lolll ?we've already live a dump phase with like 20k of weak hand leaving,who have probably expect rebuy at 0.01 but didn't... shame on this mind thinking ,sell high buy low   It work for dead metal like gold or silver,dark is an innovation,and the most big since bitcoin.

On my side I expect a bounce  

Edit: blinding masternode is here,ds working 100% safer? certainly not time to dump

[eduffield]

Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576

I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!

How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?

Probability of following Darksend through
  - 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
  - 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189

Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .

Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
  - 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
  - 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
  - 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
  - 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Oho Otoh will be happy finally some coins into his e-walls.
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more

The dumps are always on low volume...with high volume the price skyrockets. That's a good sign. Just another high profile adoption will take this coin to the next level, IMHO.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576

I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!

How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?

Probability of following Darksend through
  - 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
  - 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189

Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .

Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
  - 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
  - 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
  - 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
  - 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled

Thank you Evan, for that detailed explanation. That's pretty secure, all right!

[splawik21]

Oho Otoh will be happy finally some coins into his e-walls.
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more

So you expect the price drop massively under 0.012,who's gonna dump more than 20k of dark now lolll ?we've already live a dump phase with like 20k of weak hand leaving,who have probably expect rebuy at 0.01 but didn't... shame on this mind thinking ,sell high buy low   It work for dead metal like gold or silver,dark is an innovation,and the most big since bitcoin.

On my side I expect a bounce  

Edit: blinding masternode is here,ds working 100% safer? certainly not time to dump

I do not expect the price go unde 0,01111 but there are some chances to go under 0,012222 but I wouldn`t think so.
I keep my holdings till we see new galacsy.

[etoque]

Oho Otoh will be happy finally some coins into his e-walls.
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more

So you expect the price drop massively under 0.012,who's gonna dump more than 20k of dark now lolll ?we've already live a dump phase with like 20k of weak hand leaving,who have probably expect rebuy at 0.01 but didn't... shame on this mind thinking ,sell high buy low   It work for dead metal like gold or silver,dark is an innovation,and the most big since bitcoin.

On my side I expect a bounce  

Edit: blinding masternode is here,ds working 100% safer? certainly not time to dump

I do not expect the price go unde 0,01111 but there are some chances to go under 0,012222 but I wouldn`t think so.
I keep my holdings till we see new galacsy.

Thats the spirit of holder !

Andromeda we're coming

[Sub-Ether]

Excuse me if this was mentioned before, but why would We Live Security leave out Darkcoin on this article?: http://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/03/05/five-alternatives-bitcoin/

My initial thought was maybe they took the top 5 by marketcap...but Namecoin?!

Thanks for the laugh, I stopped taking the article seriously when I got to 'second highest capitalization' aka ripplecoon  

[splawik21]

Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576

I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!

How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?

Probability of following Darksend through
  - 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
  - 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189

Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .

Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
  - 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
  - 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
  - 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
  - 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled

Eduffield does this mean that DS is possible to deanonymise in 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005% with only 1 round with 10 MNs? LOL!
If so we have the perfect private e-cash impossible to break.

[Sub-Ether]

Probability of following Darksend through
  - 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
  - 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189

Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super hyper secure .

Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
  - 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
  - 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
  - 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
  - 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
Eduffield does this mean that DS is possible to deanonymise in 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005% with only 1 round with 10 MNs? LOL!
If so we have the perfect private e-cash impossible to break.

Congratulations on your statistical probabilities, you have caused my scientific calculator to go out of range  

[splawik21]

Probability of following Darksend through
  - 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
  - 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189

Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super hyper secure .

Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
  - 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
  - 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
  - 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
  - 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
Eduffield does this mean that DS is possible to deanonymise in 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005% with only 1 round with 10 MNs? LOL!
If so we have the perfect private e-cash impossible to break.

Congratulations on your statistical probabilities, you have caused my scientific calculator to go out of range  

My calculator is not so BIG after comma it was manual 0 multiplies but -48 is LOL and as we can use them with 4 rounds and later more or redominate it is just AWESOME!

[Sub-Ether]

There is tiny spelling error-it should be to the power, but the result is correct, and the others are fine 
Correction:
4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
using this website
http://www.ttmath.org/online_calculator

result (short version)
1.1528508353537053549739583207525252156496391578639416102383 374858721370200097914374139661340768357551534670789900537754 840992741498908101433016034848161185003717928372314816144293 798152457104955547663012531594515871581332402356555814793877 724578309519556863556390860790743878654108836334077585378110e-189

[oblox]

Now to figure out the best way to prevent DDOSing masternodes and masking IPs from clients sending/receiving.

[coins101]

Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576

I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!

How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?

Probability of following Darksend through
  - 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
  - 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189

Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .

Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
  - 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
  - 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
  - 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
  - 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled

So it is possible to control the network. This is how I would do it.

1. Find the IP of all the Master Node operators.
2. Get friendly with all of them through social media.
3. Send a blonde or redhead to where they live, boy or girl depending on which side of the bed they prefer.
4. Get them in some compromising pictures.
5. Get them to install a trojan (or face release of compromising pictures, see 4) and give me control of their Master Node.

That's it. Pretty simple, really.

As the master node network is worth $7.5m, my attack would work out much cheaper.

I know. I should work for MI6 or the CIA.

[k0vic]

Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576

I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!

How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?

Probability of following Darksend through
  - 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
  - 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189

Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .

Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
  - 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
  - 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
  - 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
  - 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled

So it is possible to control the network. This is how I would do it.

1. Find the IP of all the Master Node operators.
2. Get friendly with all of them through social media.
3. Send a blonde or redhead to where they live, boy or girl depending on which side of the bed they prefer.
4. Get them in some compromising pictures.
5. Get them to install a trojan (or face release of compromising pictures, see 4) and give me control of their Master Node.

That's it. Pretty simple, really.

As the master node network is worth $7.5m, my attack would work out much cheaper.

I know. I should work for MI6 or the CIA.

shit, we need hooker protection for our masternodes and operators

POP, proof of penetration

[dazbarlby]

Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576

I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!

How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?

Probability of following Darksend through
  - 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
  - 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189

Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .

Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
  - 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
  - 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
  - 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
  - 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled

So if I understand this correctly... If somebody owned 1000 masternodes they would still have more chance finding a single grain of sand hidden within all the grains on earth (1 in 5e+21 chance :: http://www.universetoday.com/106725/are-there-more-grains-of-sand-than-stars/) than they would in linking a single transaction back to my wallet after only 4 rounds of mixing (1 in 1e+29 chance).

Is this right?

[Otoh]

I'd not seen this, looks like someone has hacked a Trezor to work with DRK

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/trezor-for-darkcoin.4162

[coins101]

-snip-
So if I understand this correctly... If somebody owned 1000 masternodes they would still have more chance finding a single grain of sand hidden within all the grains on earth (1 in 5e+21 chance :: http://www.universetoday.com/106725/are-there-more-grains-of-sand-than-stars/) than they would in linking a single transaction back to my wallet after only 4 rounds of mixing (1 in 1e+29 chance).

Is this right?

It's all a bit random.

[dazbarlby]

-snip-
So if I understand this correctly... If somebody owned 1000 masternodes they would still have more chance finding a single grain of sand hidden within all the grains on earth (1 in 5e+21 chance :: http://www.universetoday.com/106725/are-there-more-grains-of-sand-than-stars/) than they would in linking a single transaction back to my wallet after only 4 rounds of mixing (1 in 1e+29 chance).

Is this right?

It's all a bit random.

I thought I must be missing something...

But I can see the advert now: -

Imagine your transaction was a grain of sand.
Now Imagine mixing that grain with all the grains on earth and giving the world a good shake.
would anybody be able to find your grain again?

Darkcoin's transaction obfuscation is 20 million times better!

Just a thought :-)

Edit: added 20 million...

[oblox]

One more 44k tranche of BTC left hanging over us from the USMS, hopefully done in the next 3 months.

[qwizzie]

I'd not seen this, looks like someone has hacked a Trezor to work with DRK

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/trezor-for-darkcoin.4162

thats pretty awesome