[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[cokkapaga]

DASH to the moon

dash altcoin best to trade for now
but price very high.

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[noobtrader]

And what problem to invest 10k$ in Masternode? I think, a lot of people have such amount to invest. For example, I bought my first MN for 9$/DRK, when BTC was ~ 600$ and continue to invest all the time.

that's true, my first masternode was around 12 to 15k Euros.
You should invest now, it's your future, man.

wow... my masternode is around 12 - 15 btc.

but thats true, today might be the best time to invest MN.  price is lower and reward is quite high

[oniromancia]

I thought the problem with darkcoin is the centralization of masternodes. It costs 1000DRK to run a masternode. With darkcoin at at $10 thats $10,000 required to run a masternode. It's currently at an even higher price than that! If it reaches $100 then that will be $100,000 to run a masternode. Impossible for almost everyone, resulting in centralised mixing services at severely reduced (or completely broken) anonymity. Anyone care to explain why I'm wrong?

1. DASH, not darkcoin...
2. it is @ $2.8 not 10
3. sry I cant even answer that...

I don't really care about rebrading though. But yes, of course, my typo, its currently priced at $2.83.

[ddink7]

I thought the problem with darkcoin is the centralization of masternodes. It costs 1000DRK to run a masternode. With darkcoin at at $2.83 thats $2,830 required to run a masternode. It's currently at an even higher price than that! If it reaches $100 then that will be $100,000 to run a masternode. Impossible for almost everyone, resulting in centralised mixing services at severely reduced (or completely broken) anonymity. Anyone care to explain why I'm wrong?

Most of us anticipate that in the future some sort of trustless masternode share program will be implemented. Barring that, an even easier fix would be to lower the cost of a masternode to 100 DASH, for instance. In your scenario, that would reduce the cost of a masternode to $10,000.

Another improvement that is planned is called masternode blinding. Basically, this will prevent your masternode from seeing where the present inputs came from. Consequently, even if you did own the vast majority of all masternodes, you still wouldn't know which node a mixing transaction came from, and couldn't track it backward or forward.

[ddink7]

I thought the problem with darkcoin is the centralization of masternodes. It costs 1000DRK to run a masternode. With darkcoin at at $2.83 thats $2,830 required to run a masternode. It's currently at an even higher price than that! If it reaches $100 then that will be $100,000 to run a masternode. Impossible for almost everyone, resulting in centralised mixing services at severely reduced (or completely broken) anonymity. Anyone care to explain why I'm wrong?

Most of us anticipate that in the future some sort of trustless masternode share program will be implemented. Barring that, an even easier fix would be to lower the cost of a masternode to 100 DASH, for instance. In your scenario, that would reduce the cost of a masternode to $10,000.

Another improvement that is planned is called masternode blinding. Basically, this will prevent your masternode from seeing where the present inputs came from. Consequently, even if you did own the vast majority of all masternodes, you still wouldn't know which node a mixing transaction came from, and couldn't track it backward or forward.

thanks, i thought masternode blinding was hiding the masternode ip adress

That was the plan initially, but Evan revised:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/which-masternode-model-should-we-implement.4115/

[TanteStefana2]

I thought the problem with darkcoin is the centralization of masternodes. It costs 1000DRK to run a masternode. With darkcoin at at $10 thats $10,000 required to run a masternode. It's currently at an even higher price than that! If it reaches $100 then that will be $100,000 to run a masternode. Impossible for almost everyone, resulting in centralised mixing services at severely reduced (or completely broken) anonymity. Anyone care to explain why I'm wrong?

you are
as all the MN holder now will not sell only because the price goes up, as parallel the MN payouts (in US$) rise as well.
Imagine you have 10 MN's, Dash price is 100 US$, you will receive
0.7 Dash per Day x 10 Mn's = 700 US$ per day !! (21.000 US$ per Month)
(Woop Woop)
so where is the centralisation again ?
 

Also, 2600+ full nodes that are paid for doing work, PLUS the miners is hardly centralized.  Bitcoin has been loosing full nodes, and since their market cap is 230 times that of DASH, with only roughly 6000 full nodes, and falling, DASH's network is extremely strong.

If there ever should come a need for more nodes, the collateral could simply be halved and we'd immediately double the nodes running.  However, the developers have decided that 3000 masternodes would be the best number for the network as it's not too many that would flood the system; overwhelming it with chatter and yet plenty to service the network with enough variety to keep it decentralized and unbreakable.

[TanteStefana2]

btw im actually interested with this theoritical speculation, i mean how much total dash, then how much MN possible and what price Dash would be.  i mean with dash price reaching 100 usd today i think a lot of MN will sell too, and buy back when lower. in the end it will be balanced out and i wonder what price in the future, would it similiar to todays   "Dash price" vs "Dash in circulation" vs MN ratio ?

something like :
dash price high, MN count high ---> sell
dash price low,  MN count low ---> buy
 

I think as the price of DASH stabilizes, the acceptable rate of return will go down.  Lets say people are willing to buy a masternode right now because the rate of return is 20%.  Investors are willing to risk the price of buying DASH and run a MN because the rate of return is high, and they think DASH has a good chance at keeping it's value.  Now lets say DASH has kept it's value at 1000 USD for the past 3 years, investors would then buy stock to purchase masternodes through a company and perhaps they would now accept 15% return as a good price to risk ratio.  Now we might have 3500 or 4000 masternodes.

With a guaranteed rate of return, there will always be people willing and able to invest in a masternode.  And it would be healthy for masternodes to trade hands.  Especially from the largest holders.  Diversification of holdings over time will only strengthen the network.

[Kai Proctor]

I thought the problem with darkcoin is the centralization of masternodes. It costs 1000DRK to run a masternode. With darkcoin at at $2.83 thats $2,830 required to run a masternode. It's currently at an even higher price than that! If it reaches $100 then that will be $100,000 to run a masternode. Impossible for almost everyone, resulting in centralised mixing services at severely reduced (or completely broken) anonymity. Anyone care to explain why I'm wrong?

Most of us anticipate that in the future some sort of trustless masternode share program will be implemented. Barring that, an even easier fix would be to lower the cost of a masternode to 100 DASH, for instance. In your scenario, that would reduce the cost of a masternode to $10,000.

Another improvement that is planned is called masternode blinding. Basically, this will prevent your masternode from seeing where the present inputs came from. Consequently, even if you did own the vast majority of all masternodes, you still wouldn't know which node a mixing transaction came from, and couldn't track it backward or forward.

thanks, i thought masternode blinding was hiding the masternode ip adress

That was the plan initially, but Evan revised:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/which-masternode-model-should-we-implement.4115/

It seems that "masternode blinding" was always about hiding the origin and the destination of the mixed funds.

[ddink7]

I thought the problem with darkcoin is the centralization of masternodes. It costs 1000DRK to run a masternode. With darkcoin at at $2.83 thats $2,830 required to run a masternode. It's currently at an even higher price than that! If it reaches $100 then that will be $100,000 to run a masternode. Impossible for almost everyone, resulting in centralised mixing services at severely reduced (or completely broken) anonymity. Anyone care to explain why I'm wrong?

Most of us anticipate that in the future some sort of trustless masternode share program will be implemented. Barring that, an even easier fix would be to lower the cost of a masternode to 100 DASH, for instance. In your scenario, that would reduce the cost of a masternode to $10,000.

Another improvement that is planned is called masternode blinding. Basically, this will prevent your masternode from seeing where the present inputs came from. Consequently, even if you did own the vast majority of all masternodes, you still wouldn't know which node a mixing transaction came from, and couldn't track it backward or forward.

thanks, i thought masternode blinding was hiding the masternode ip adress

That was the plan initially, but Evan revised:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/which-masternode-model-should-we-implement.4115/

It seems that "masternode blinding" was always about hiding the origin and the destination of the mixed funds.

I think the confusion stems from about 8-10 months ago when the idea of "IP obfuscation" for masternodes first came up. Eventually Evan moved away from that for reasons specified in the linked post, and work began on the (not yet implemented) idea of blinding masternodes from seeing the origin of their inputs.

[noobtrader]

thanks for the explanation.

hmmm btw so 3000 MN would lock 3000.000.-  dash in MN.
 

btw im actually interested with this theoritical speculation, i mean how much total dash, then how much MN possible and what price Dash would be.  i mean with dash price reaching 100 usd today i think a lot of MN will sell too, and buy back when lower. in the end it will be balanced out and i wonder what price in the future, would it similiar to todays   "Dash price" vs "Dash in circulation" vs MN ratio ?

something like :
dash price high, MN count high ---> sell
dash price low,  MN count low ---> buy
 

I think as the price of DASH stabilizes, the acceptable rate of return will go down.  Lets say people are willing to buy a masternode right now because the rate of return is 20%.  Investors are willing to risk the price of buying DASH and run a MN because the rate of return is high, and they think DASH has a good chance at keeping it's value.  Now lets say DASH has kept it's value at 1000 USD for the past 3 years, investors would then buy stock to purchase masternodes through a company and perhaps they would now accept 15% return as a good price to risk ratio.  Now we might have 3500 or 4000 masternodes.

With a guaranteed rate of return, there will always be people willing and able to invest in a masternode.  And it would be healthy for masternodes to trade hands.  Especially from the largest holders.  Diversification of holdings over time will only strengthen the network.

[UdjinM6]

Feel bored looking at charts? v0.12 translation is open! 

https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/dash/

[DonQuijote]

Im looking for a design, i need a new mouse pad
I found this designs promotional graphics, somebody have others?

There are some additional unofficial Dash graphics  
If you need bigger sizes - PM me.

Thanks!!!

[Minotaur26]

I thought the problem with darkcoin is the centralization of masternodes. It costs 1000DRK to run a masternode. With darkcoin at at $10 thats $10,000 required to run a masternode. It's currently at an even higher price than that! If it reaches $100 then that will be $100,000 to run a masternode. Impossible for almost everyone, resulting in centralised mixing services at severely reduced (or completely broken) anonymity. Anyone care to explain why I'm wrong?

you are
as all the MN holder now will not sell only because the price goes up, as parallel the MN payouts (in US$) rise as well.
Imagine you have 10 MN's, Dash price is 100 US$, you will receive
0.7 Dash per Day x 10 Mn's = 700 US$ per day !! (21.000 US$ per Month)
(Woop Woop)
so where is the centralisation again ?
 

Also, 2600+ full nodes that are paid for doing work, PLUS the miners is hardly centralized.  Bitcoin has been loosing full nodes, and since their market cap is 230 times that of DASH, with only roughly 6000 full nodes, and falling, DASH's network is extremely strong.

If there ever should come a need for more nodes, the collateral could simply be halved and we'd immediately double the nodes running.  However, the developers have decided that 3000 masternodes would be the best number for the network as it's not too many that would flood the system; overwhelming it with chatter and yet plenty to service the network with enough variety to keep it decentralized and unbreakable.

Dash and decentralization

I don't think people realize how impressive Dash number of full nodes is, it is the second largest network of full nodes after Bitcoin and growing. It is truly decentralized the nodes are distributed around the world in many jurisdictions, ran by hundreds of different people, from different hosting providers and even from their home in raspberry pi 2s.

These gives the network incredible syncing speed, it really works well. Dash is the fastest syncing coin I have seen, you can sync weeks in a few minutes and it always works. Other coins you have to wait days with your client open syncing or use bootstraps to help your client sync.

Mixing

Dash decentralized mixing, uses a series of randomly selected nodes for each round of mixing. You can mix up to 16 rounds in the current version, each round uses a different node. This provides a very high degree of privacy from third parties.

People often talk about the possibility of a masternode operator uncovering a particular round of mixing, the reality is, since a random node is selected from 2700 possible nodes over 16 iterations is impossible for any masternode operator to follow the mixing of a particular input through several rounds of mixing.   A person would have to control over 80% of the total number of masternodes to even have a small chance of doing that and this would be the same for any other privacy technology. If you control over 80% of a cryptonote coin you could uncover transactions too, this is just a theoretical edge case that is just not reality.

Also Dash decentralized mixing, is the best dealing with change linking, just read the whitepaper, Darksend does not leave a change trail.

Versatility

Dash architecture on top of delivering a higher degree of privacy, has many advantages and applications. It supports additional value to benefit users. The best example is instant transaction confirmations and the possibility of implementing scalability solutions like the lightning network, 2FA or other applications. Dash is truly a different approach, with incentivized full node operation and collateral to prevent people running Sybil attacks it is quite promising.

There is a lot of work to do still but Dash has a clear added value proposition, Dash is unleashing the potential of a 2 tier network with paid node operation and mining, and adding decentralized added value services over its full node network which has proven a success growing to about 50% of the Bitcoin network with only a small fraction of its marketcap. There is a lot of upside still and that is why people are investing and it has found a very stable floor at this price range it is simply undervalued for its potential.

[oniromancia]

I thought the problem with darkcoin is the centralization of masternodes. It costs 1000DRK to run a masternode. With darkcoin at at $10 thats $10,000 required to run a masternode. It's currently at an even higher price than that! If it reaches $100 then that will be $100,000 to run a masternode. Impossible for almost everyone, resulting in centralised mixing services at severely reduced (or completely broken) anonymity. Anyone care to explain why I'm wrong?

you are
as all the MN holder now will not sell only because the price goes up, as parallel the MN payouts (in US$) rise as well.
Imagine you have 10 MN's, Dash price is 100 US$, you will receive
0.7 Dash per Day x 10 Mn's = 700 US$ per day !! (21.000 US$ per Month)
(Woop Woop)
so where is the centralisation again ?
 

Also, 2600+ full nodes that are paid for doing work, PLUS the miners is hardly centralized.  Bitcoin has been loosing full nodes, and since their market cap is 230 times that of DASH, with only roughly 6000 full nodes, and falling, DASH's network is extremely strong.

If there ever should come a need for more nodes, the collateral could simply be halved and we'd immediately double the nodes running.  However, the developers have decided that 3000 masternodes would be the best number for the network as it's not too many that would flood the system; overwhelming it with chatter and yet plenty to service the network with enough variety to keep it decentralized and unbreakable.

Currently people only run bitcoin nodes as an act of good will, but these incentive-driven nodes will offer an actual reason to do it. Plus, the reward for running a node increases if fewer people are participating. It will be cool to see how the network grows to accommodate this.

The other part of the equation, simply stated is that there will be several master nodes and pools created for each transaction group, so that the probability of knowing where the funds came from and where they are going is so minimal, it's essentially impossible for any node to figure out.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Dash charts looking like an EKG monitor...

[toknormal]

Dash charts looking like an EKG monitor...

Indeed.

...or even a cross section of the Sierra Madre...

[splawik21]

TESTNET ONLY !!!


 eduffield
Core DeveloperCore
Please update -- v0.12.0.5

-Removed need for amounts in masternode winners protocol - eduffield
-Spork changes / improvements - eduffield

  * New Command "Spork Active" : Show which sporks report as active
  * Cleaned up the spork code and fixed some bugs with defaults-refresh en source/translations - Udjin
-fix strings - Udjin
- Implemented spork for only paying new nodes after a period of time on mainnet
- protocol bump
- fixed a few issues with sporks. Spork show now shows all sporks, instead of the changed ones. IsSporkActive now supports sporks set to 0 as on.


 https://dashtalk.org/threads/v12-testing-thread.5484/page-27

[kointrend]

TESTNET ONLY !!!


 eduffield
Core DeveloperCore
Please update -- v0.12.0.5

-Removed need for amounts in masternode winners protocol - eduffield
-Spork changes / improvements - eduffield

  * New Command "Spork Active" : Show which sporks report as active
  * Cleaned up the spork code and fixed some bugs with defaults-refresh en source/translations - Udjin
-fix strings - Udjin
- Implemented spork for only paying new nodes after a period of time on mainnet
- protocol bump
- fixed a few issues with sporks. Spork show now shows all sporks, instead of the changed ones. IsSporkActive now supports sporks set to 0 as on.


 https://dashtalk.org/threads/v12-testing-thread.5484/page-27

Go guys, go! Thanks you so much! 

[Sub-Ether]

TESTNET ONLY !!!


 eduffield
Core DeveloperCore
Please update -- v0.12.0.5

-Removed need for amounts in masternode winners protocol - eduffield
-Spork changes / improvements - eduffield

  * New Command "Spork Active" : Show which sporks report as active
  * Cleaned up the spork code and fixed some bugs with defaults-refresh en source/translations - Udjin
-fix strings - Udjin
- Implemented spork for only paying new nodes after a period of time on mainnet
- protocol bump
- fixed a few issues with sporks. Spork show now shows all sporks, instead of the changed ones. IsSporkActive now supports sporks set to 0 as on.


 https://dashtalk.org/threads/v12-testing-thread.5484/page-27

Go guys, go! Thanks you so much! 

The windows version shows it as v0.12.0.4 but spork active command only works in v0.12.0.5 so can check correct version like that.

[tungfa]

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....". BuyAnyCoin Beta currently supports Bitcoin, Litecoin and Ripple, but has plans to support more currencies such as Dash, Nxt, and BitShares"