[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[toknormal]

Just noticed this  

That is way cool.

I now just type straight into my url bar and I'm there.

Sure beats dash-pay-dot-io  

SEO bullseye.

[110110101]

Just noticed this 

Thanks for pointing that out pille, surely the new domain is going to be helpful for DASH as a whole.

[arielbit]

Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
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the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11

[Lebubar]

What are you trying to say, since yesterday turning around the honey pot (in english : beat around the bush)?

[arielbit]

Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11

Haha, no. I would be ashamed to have written that miner.

kindly describe the miner? in layman's terms..is it crippled? purposely unoptimized? is it written by savages?

you devs kind of have a "third eye" in this crypto sphere. enlighten us.

[Lebubar]

What are you trying to say, since yesterday turning around the honey pot (in english : beat around the bush)?

Who are you even talking to?

At 2 kids bumping the page since yesterday talking about X11.

[DrkLvr_]

What are you trying to say, since yesterday turning around the honey pot (in english : beat around the bush)?

Who are you even talking to?

At 2 kids bumping the page since yesterday talking about X11.

I agree. Will the 2 of you just STFU about on-topic discussions regarding the Darkcoin algorithm? We've had almost 10 replies to this page so far and not a single person posted a masternode chart yet. Ridiculous!

Trolls these days, am i right?  

[arielbit]

What are you trying to say, since yesterday turning around the honey pot (in english : beat around the bush)?

Who are you even talking to?

At 2 kids bumping the page since yesterday talking about X11.

in this sphere wolf0 i've got a "third eye" here....a hound has spotted us, more will come..when i say run you run LOL

[arielbit]

Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11

Haha, no. I would be ashamed to have written that miner.

kindly describe the miner? in layman's terms..is it crippled? purposely unoptimized? is it written by savages?

you devs kind of have a "third eye" in this crypto sphere. enlighten us.

It was done for a bounty, and it works. I'm not going to demonize the guy - X11 is a lot of logic to optimize, and using copypasted CPU libraries was pretty much the fastest way to get a GPU miner put together for the 3000 DRK. But it was dead slow. This was the darkcoin kernel, not Girino's darkcoin-mod kernel.

I wouldn't say it's purposely crippled, just a little above minimal effort put into it.

for me a copypasted libraries is kind of crippling to my eye if the miner stayed for a while before any decent GPU miner was created...thanks for another insight.

[arielbit]

Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11

Haha, no. I would be ashamed to have written that miner.

kindly describe the miner? in layman's terms..is it crippled? purposely unoptimized? is it written by savages?

you devs kind of have a "third eye" in this crypto sphere. enlighten us.

It was done for a bounty, and it works. I'm not going to demonize the guy - X11 is a lot of logic to optimize, and using copypasted CPU libraries was pretty much the fastest way to get a GPU miner put together for the 3000 DRK. But it was dead slow. This was the darkcoin kernel, not Girino's darkcoin-mod kernel.

I wouldn't say it's purposely crippled, just a little above minimal effort put into it.

for me a copypasted libraries is kind of crippling to my eye if the miner stayed for a while before any decent GPU miner was created...thanks for another insight.

IMO, the real decider is intent. I'm pretty sure it wasn't done to slow it on purpose, it was to be the first done with a GPU miner and get the bounty. That kind of reward rarely incentivizes excellent work.

Girino's code was stolen from binaries he made with a fee embedded - which is what we call darkcoin-mod to this day. I saw that code and it was still terrible, so I improved it. Thankfully, my sources haven't leaked, but the binaries have.

right..a race to make one will make things sloppy. the author of the article said it was speculated that someone might have a GPU miner before the bounty was created..any idea about that? is this where the private miner developer/s that keep it quiet do their work?

[tungfa]

Daily Altcoin Price Analysis: Dash, Dogecoin, Litecoin

http://cointelegraph.com/news/115739/daily-altcoin-price-analysis-dash-dogecoin-litecoin

[eduffield]

Well, duh, of course it was CPU-only at the start. I'm asking if the intent was to make it easier on GPUs than Quark.

I think he just did it his own way, as he didn't know about Quark, which is the impression I got long ago when I asked - don't ask me to find proof, I'll not waste my time.  Just giving you an answer if you're interested.

I suppose it's possible. Meh, hardly matters, I suppose. I just want to know his intentions for the PoW - what qualities he wanted it to have.

I think Evan should chime in..that is the best answer

even at https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/X11 Created by Balazs Kiraly, last modified on Jun 01, 2015
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________
the author said:

It was probably inspired by the chained-hashing approach of Quark, adding further “depth” and complexity by increasing the number of hashes, yet it differs from Quark in that the rounds of hashes are determined a priori instead of having some hashes being randomly picked.

The X11 algorithm uses multiple rounds of 11 different hashes (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo), thus making it one of the safest and more sophisticated cryptographic hashes in use by modern cryptocurrencies.

The name X11 is not related to the open source GUI server that provides a graphical interface to unix/linux users.


Balanced CPU/GPU mining

When Darkcoin was initially launched with X11, it was only mineable through CPU mining programs. After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

By mid-February the GPU client was launched and by late-February it was optimized for higher hashrates. At the same time, the CPU mining clients evolved to increase their speed by using the SSE2/3/4, AVX and AES instruction sets.

At that point it became evident that the hashrate difference between GPU and CPU implementations were not that chaotic, although GPUs still took the crown in terms of energy efficiency. Top of the line and tuned CPUs, like a 6-core i7s running at 4.5 GHz produced 880 khashes/second when GPUs like AMD's 280 and 290 gave 3 times as much.

A ratio of 1:3 was thus established for the fastest CPUs versus the fastest AMD GPUs – which is significantly better than Scrypt or SHA256 and allowing CPU users to mine X11 coins. By June 2014, the ratio had gone up to 1:6 due to the evolution of GPU mining programs and relative stability of CPU mining programs.

It should be noted that these ratios are more a reflection of the mining programs rather than an inherent property of the algorithm itself and thus the ratios can change depending the development progress of the CPU and GPU mining clients.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________

is that you wolf0 that got 3000 DRK?

i highly doubt Evan didn't know about Quark, Quark was months ahead of dash launch

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein) Quark

(blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo) X11

Haha, no. I would be ashamed to have written that miner.

kindly describe the miner? in layman's terms..is it crippled? purposely unoptimized? is it written by savages?

you devs kind of have a "third eye" in this crypto sphere. enlighten us.

It was done for a bounty, and it works. I'm not going to demonize the guy - X11 is a lot of logic to optimize, and using copypasted CPU libraries was pretty much the fastest way to get a GPU miner put together for the 3000 DRK. But it was dead slow. This was the darkcoin kernel, not Girino's darkcoin-mod kernel.

I wouldn't say it's purposely crippled, just a little above minimal effort put into it.

for me a copypasted libraries is kind of crippling to my eye if the miner stayed for a while before any decent GPU miner was created...thanks for another insight.

IMO, the real decider is intent. I'm pretty sure it wasn't done to slow it on purpose, it was to be the first done with a GPU miner and get the bounty. That kind of reward rarely incentivizes excellent work.

Girino's code was stolen from binaries he made with a fee embedded - which is what we call darkcoin-mod to this day. I saw that code and it was still terrible, so I improved it. Thankfully, my sources haven't leaked, but the binaries have.

The idea behind the launch of XCode and X11 was to have a brand new algorithm. My code was based off of Litcoin, Quark (a few of the hashes) and Primecoin (difficulty algorithm). I went and looked up all of the SHA3 candidates and took the rest, then I removed a lot of the logical switches from the hashing algo that quark used.

I wanted to create a new algorithm, so that we went through the same stages as Bitcoin and Litecoin did. First CPU, GPU, FPGA, then ASIC. That's the general path that these currencies go down and I thought, since the two most successful followed that, my currency should as well. As for the GPU miner, it was contracted for a few hundred dollars worth of Dash and we got a miner that was pretty much unoptimized. But that was really good for the time and allowed a good portion of time for the network to update to GPUs without making CPU mining unprofitable instantaneously.

After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

[Jestah]

After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

Do you think that the spike was the miner trojan in the torrent?  Do the dates line up?

[TanteStefana2]

After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

Do you think that the spike was the miner trojan in the torrent?  Do the dates line up?

Are you talking about the recent botnet infected torrent of Grand Theft Auto?  No that's more recent, more like a month or two ago

[Sub-Ether]

After a spike in the Darkcoin network hashrate in early February 2014, it was speculated that someone might have made a GPU miner and thus a bounty of over 3000 DRKs was given in order to assist in the creation of a GPU miner client that could be publicly available, for fairness reasons.

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

Do you think that the spike was the miner trojan in the torrent?  Do the dates line up?

There were 2-3 day spikes at the end of january, they would push the diff through the roof and then disappear for a few days.
There were a lot of coin releases at the time, most likely a few hundred cores that would auto profit switch to another cpu coin, this was just before ASIC scrypt miners, so there were many to choose from. Middlecoin was high profitablility and coin switching was in vogue.

[EdgarTheEdge]

Introducing Our New Team Members

https://dashtalk.org/threads/introducing-our-new-team-members.7160/

Nice

Good luck to Andy and Antono! USA is full of project managers, hope you will fine the right one for you

[wozzek23]

Just noticed this  

Someone tell them to re-direct HTTP to HTTPS version. I see this is a Divi WP theme so it's an easy task in General Settings. Or they can use .htaccess to do the same. As it is, the site now has three (duplicate) versions:

http://www.dash.org/ and
https://www.dash.org/ and
http://dash.org/

The whole point of forking out so much money for the domain was for the googling purpose. Google does not like duplicate / multiple home page URLs.

[toknormal]

Just noticed this  

Someone tell them to re-direct HTTP to HTTPS version.

I think you just did. And what status code should they use for the redirect for maximum SEO friendliness - 301 permanent ? Then make sure that all promoted home page links contain a consistent protocol: http or https ?

Why use https for just regular stuff ? It's slower.

[wozzek23]

Just noticed this  

Someone tell them to re-direct HTTP to HTTPS version.

I think you just did. And what status code should they use for the redirect for maximum SEO friendliness - 301 permanent ? Then make sure that all promoted home page links contain a consistent protocol: http or https ?

Why use https for just regular stuff ? It's slower.

301, absolutely. than, all the pages should be HTTPS and the images and other factors must be made HTTPS as well.

SSL is an algorithmic factor i.e. a Google's signal that reflects in ranking of a given page.

They should also fix their page speed (https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdash.org%2F&tab=mobile), especially for the site's mobile version. Albeit the https://dash.org/ speed is not abysmal, a Google penalty lurks for the slow sites. It's UX (user experience) factor they need to pay some attention to.

[toknormal]

They should also fix their page speed (https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdash.org%2F&tab=mobile), especially for the site's mobile version. Albeit the https://dash.org/ speed is not abysmal, a Google penalty lurks for the slow sites. It's UX (user experience) factor they need to pay some attention to.

There are some great responsive templates floating around that look good on all platforms.