[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[iCEBREAKER]

Wot GMaxwell actually sed:

Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach.

CoinJoin is trustless— which is orthogonal with centralized or decentralized, it could be implemented several ways (though trustlessness is usually a prerequisite to a decenteralized implementation). Post 5 in the CoinJoin thread writes in depth about implementing it in a decenteralized way, none of which appears to have been implemented by the darkcoin developers as far as I can tell— from what I've heard it seems that they're not even able to understand it.

what DarkCoin does is highly centralized

"masternodes" does not sound like something decenteralized, it sounds like something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server.

From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity.

Fixed it for you.

Dash 

[Lukas_Jackson]

Masternodes are as centralised or decentralised as miners.
And how it can be worse than a server based coinjoin?
He didn't even look at it because it's altcoin  

[TanteStefana2]

Masternodes are as centralised or decentralised as miners.
And how it can be worse than a server based coinjoin?
He didn't even looked at it because it's altcoin 

The quote is over a year and a half old as well.  I don't think there are many people that aren't trolls, that still talk like that about Dash/Darkcoin.  The last one was Peter Todd, who doesn't hold much respect anymore anyway.

[iCEBREAKER]

Masternodes are as centralised or decentralised as miners.

That is incorrect.

Decentralization is measured as the cost of the option to run a fully participating node (http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/measuring-decentralization/).

In Dash, only Masternodes participate fully (IE, are able to access/verify/amplify the blockchain signal in a trust-free manner) and they have an entirely artificial, very high 1000 Dash barrier to entry.

OTOH, anyone with a CPU/GPU may exercise their option to mine.

what DarkCoin does is highly centralized

"masternodes" does not sound like something decenteralized, it sounds like something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server.

Unless they are a bagholding DashHole cultist, why on earth would anyone listen to your gainsaying assertions instead of a renowned BTC core dev?

In conclusion,

Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach.

[Lebubar]

After the first day at this conference, speaking to real people, to investors, to people involved in the bitcoin, and reading the post of smoothie, make me smile. Poor guys thinking that this forum is enough to go forward to devlop a project. Pathetic.

I can told you that we speak with a lot of people and they show a great interest of how Dash is developing and growing, they love the incentive nodes, the budget and voting system, just to tell people that the book they got in their hands was funded by the Dash blockchain was making them happy.

Now that I speak with Evan, I think I understood better Evolution, and I can tell you it is Huge.

Really this day make me more confident of Dash futur.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

iCE, You really need to go back to the drawing board. You and your cronies have been making it too easy lately.
(Quotation and bolded are my own)

what DarkCoin does is highly centralized

"masternodes" "does not sound like" something decenteralized, "it sounds like" something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server.

"Does not sound like" and "it sounds like" do not qualify as scientific observations by any stretch of the imagination. These are the ramblings of an individual who has absolutely no clue how Dash works. And you're seriously using that as an avenue to attack Dash? Come on man, you're better than this! Or so I thought...

EDIT: Quick, delete your post and repost it! That'll give it more credibility.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

After the first day at this conference, speaking to real people, to investors, to people involved in the bitcoin, and reading the post of smoothie, make me smile. Poor guys thinking that this forum is enough to go forward to devlop a project. Pathetic.

I can told you that we speak with a lot of people and they show a great interest of how Dash is developing and growing, they love the incentive nodes, the budget and voting system, just to tell people that the book they got in their hands was funded by the Dash blockchain was making them happy.

Now that I speak with Evan, I think I understood better Evolution, and I can tell you it is HUDGE.

Really this day make me more confident of Dash futur.

Well said! Thanks for sharing. Get some rest, I want to post more pictures and video tomorrow!

[MasterMined710]

Any alt coin (DASH) that needs to setup a booth at a conference to promote itself is a red flag.

You guys remember all of those litecoin booths at previous conferences??



Oh wait...
There were none.

Nice Booth!

Ignorant hypocrite trolls get #R3KT on a daily around here.
Has it sent yet





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You better dump your monero bags for DASH before it's too late bro

[noobtrader]

Any alt coin (DASH) that needs to setup a booth at a conference to promote itself is a red flag.

You guys remember all of those litecoin booths at previous conferences??



Oh wait...
There were none.

Nice Booth!

Ignorant hypocrite trolls get #R3KT on a daily around here.
Has it sent yet





15 16 17
You better dump your monero bags for DASH before it's too late bro

LOL   

smoothie caught red handed LOL 

... having a booth at a conference (unlike say Litecoin as an example) is a red flag. Any coin that needs to promote itself at a bitcoin conference (i.e. ripple) is likely a scam/bullshit coin....

but at the same time saying looking forward for Litecoin to make a booth on litecoin ann  

i dont know if smoothie want to discredit Litecoin later or just Dash

this is epic LOOOOOL

[TanteStefana2]

After the first day at this conference, speaking to real people, to investors, to people involved in the bitcoin, and reading the post of smoothie, make me smile. Poor guys thinking that this forum is enough to go forward to devlop a project. Pathetic.

I can told you that we speak with a lot of people and they show a great interest of how Dash is developing and growing, they love the incentive nodes, the budget and voting system, just to tell people that the book they got in their hands was funded by the Dash blockchain was making them happy.

Now that I speak with Evan, I think I understood better Evolution, and I can tell you it is Huge.

Really this day make me more confident of Dash futur.

I would love to see what's inside the booklet, is there a file online that us stuck at home can look at?    Thanks for the updates and pictures, Lebubar!

[iCEBREAKER]

what DarkCoin does is highly centralized

"masternodes" "does not sound like" something decenteralized, "it sounds like" something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server.

"Does not sound like" and "it sounds like" do not qualify as scientific observations by any stretch of the imagination. These are the ramblings of an individual who has absolutely no clue how Dash works.

Gmax invented coinjoin, the mixing algorithm Darkcoin broke, bastardized, and rebranded as 'Darksend.'

Obviously, his opinions are those of one with the highest possible levels of expertise.

I implemented a rough version of CoinJoin.

The idea behind what I'm working on was originally put forward by Gregory Maxwell

Remember when Darkcoin wanted Gmax to audit its crypto?

Here, I'll help jog your atrociously selective memory:

A good compromise would be a full audit from greg maxwell and possibly some other trusted contributors to the original idea.

I'd suggest 3 seperate devs, personally.  Maybe Maxwell, Mindfox and..  i dont know a good 3rd.

You certainly valued his "ramblings" when fishing for an endorsement!

Funny how (in the DashHole POV) Gmax went from hero to zero as soon as he said something less than flattering about your shitty HYIP scam's bad crypto.

[alex-ru]

What is Dash-comminity mission? Create great things, support the Dash Evolution.
What is Monero-comminity mission? Just trying to spoil the Dash-comminity mission.

If you can't create anything, your fate is being a pest.  It's so shameful, monero-"developers-pests"...

[MasterMined710]

Gmax invented coinjoin, the mixing algorithm Darkcoin broke, bastardized, and rebranded as 'Darksend.'

Actually evan fixed, improved and rebranded as Darksend.

Remember when Darkcoin wanted Gmax to audit its crypto?

i don't even know those people you quoted.

Most thought Kristov Atlas was a better choice as he is the one who cracked Gmax's coinjoin implementation by SharedCoin.

CoinJoin Sudoku. Weaknesses in SharedCoin, and CoinJoin research.
http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/advisory/


He could not crack Darksend and gave it a positive review.
https://dashtalk.org/threads/reply-to-kristovs-paper.2325/

[iCEBREAKER]

Gmax invented coinjoin, the mixing algorithm Darkcoin broke, bastardized, and rebranded as 'Darksend.'

Actually evan fixed, improved and rebranded as Darksend.

Please support with demonstrable facts your assertion that "evan fixed [and] improved" coinjoin.

What did Evan fix?  What did he improve?

Those are extraordinary claims (especially given the inventor of coinjoin strenuously disagrees) and thus require extraordinary evidence.

[TanteStefana2]

Please don't

And please stop feeding the trolls, they're so .... diseased and such flotsam of humanity. 

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

The stench of desperation hangs heavy in the air tonight. The sideshow clowns are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Dash, vainly hoping something sticks.

 I'm sorry to inform you that we are not going anywhere.

If there was a problem with Dash's implementation of CoinJoin it would have been found by now in the heavily-scrutinized open-source code.

Go to your Bitcoin Dev masters and ask them to produce evidence that it is broken. We will then fix whatever they find, and you will have made us stronger.

You see, your FUD doesn't faze us because we're confident, talented, and have faith in our product. We will overcome any obstacle, because we are relentless.

You clowns are just a footnote on our way to success.

[TanteStefana2]

A footnote?  Really?  Please!  They're a 3 ring circus!  Ridiculous.

Every time I am curious and take a peek at what they write, it's just so damn stupid or blatant lies and half truths and taken out of context.  These people are not in any way honest, and obviously not interested in developing their coin, which is a complete mess.  They're waiting for one of the other clones to fix things so they can co-opt the work.

They are the lowest of the low, scum of the earth and I'm sure they're being paid by some malevolent entity.

[vertoe]

DASH - the Original and Biggest Scam of all - I mean Paycoin was a $20,000,000 scam and these guys with Dash are cashing out "Interest" daily -- this will definitely top the Paycoin Scam

[TanteStefana2]

DASH - the Original and Biggest Scam of all - I mean Paycoin was a $20,000,000 scam and these guys with Dash are cashing out "Interest" daily -- this will definitely top the Paycoin Scam

Vertoe, seriously, WTF is wrong with you?  In fact, your account is either in someone else's control, or you've lost your mind.
Hummm, interesting, just found this on your ratings:

myagui 0: -0 / +0   2015-07-01   0.00000000   Reference   Account hacked and controlled by unknown individual(s). Proof provided by Vertoe herself via GitHub with reference to a static quote and signed by an earlier known LTC address.
CHAOSiTEC 20: -0 / +2   2015-07-01   0.00000000      CAUTION: This account may not be in possession of the actual Vertoe

So now I know which one it is.

And as posted below:
https://github.com/vertoe/bitcointalk/blob/master/README.md

[AlexGR]

alexGR  - what's GR? (giant rat )
alex-ru  - ru (russian account?) "ru" is used in for labeling software,sites and games that uses russian languages

is alex-ru and alexGR the same person or cohorts or family? since it is convenient to label your russian account with "ru"

I'm quite a bit souther than alex-ru... (GR)eece.