[ANN][AUTO-SWITCH] Profit-switch auto-exchange pool: CleverMining.com

[OhAnonymousMe]

When you do the auto-exchange, do you use the most profitable exchange rate on various exchanges or do you just use one exchange for everything?

[Xenocyde]

There is a problem here in the way that that I the way "I" and obviously others perceive the reject rates (real or imagined), and therefore the overall effectiveness of this service. A problem which I believe does have a damping effect on the growth of an otherwise outstanding service... Now I know that in the overall scheme of things, my little 10Mhs doesn't really matter all that much, but yesterday when I wrote that I was pretty much ready to take that 10MHs to CM's closest competitor, even though I do not like their service overall, nearly as much as I do Terks. All I am suggesting is that the issue is addressed either by code that improves the actual reject rates if possible, or by website design improvements that address the perception of their being a problem...

I agree that the rejects problem drives some people away from this pool and the problem is not clearly pointed out in the OP and on the site. Every time I see somebody freaking out about high rejects rate, I urge Terk or whoever can update the OP or site to inform everybody about thisproblem, but still no move. Somebody said that the fake rejects issue is known and was presented by the lead programmer of cgminer and everybody knows about it. Well, that's far fatched... clearly many don't know.  

There is however a place on the site that displays the real rejects rate and that is under the hashrate wheel - graphs are bugged so no use looking at them.

[Brewins]

Very clean website.
Looking very professional. Will definitely consider using this pool if ever in need of an auto switching profit pool!

[rsx19]

started mining about 8 hours ago and on cgminer it shows a 98% reject rate and about 15% on the website

what do?

[phzi]

started mining about 8 hours ago and on cgminer it shows a 98% reject rate and about 15% on the website

what do?

Ignore the untracked stratum shares in cgminer - they aren't actual rejects.  The rate on the website is correct, as well as the per-device reject rates in cgminer (NOT A: vs R: at the top for all cards).

[imall4btc]

I also started mining at CM around 6-7 hours ago, and I get a rejection rate of 25% as reported in cgminer and  2.5% as stated on the website.

Any help on correcting this issue??

Thanks

[byt411]

I also started mining at CM around 6-7 hours ago, and I get a rejection rate of 25% as reported in cgminer and  2.5% as stated on the website.

Any help on correcting this issue??

Thanks

The rejects on Cgminer are what we call "Fake Rejects", they are caused by a communication problem between the miner and the pool.
"Fake rejects" appear as "Untracked Stratum Share on pool 0".

[imall4btc]

I also started mining at CM around 6-7 hours ago, and I get a rejection rate of 25% as reported in cgminer and  2.5% as stated on the website.

Any help on correcting this issue??

Thanks

The rejects on Cgminer are what we call "Fake Rejects", they are caused by a communication problem between the miner and the pool.
"Fake rejects" appear as "Untracked Stratum Share on pool 0".

Hmmmm, okay. Thanks for the information.

So I should consider the rejection rate displayed at the website as the correct one?

[byt411]

I also started mining at CM around 6-7 hours ago, and I get a rejection rate of 25% as reported in cgminer and  2.5% as stated on the website.

Any help on correcting this issue??

Thanks

The rejects on Cgminer are what we call "Fake Rejects", they are caused by a communication problem between the miner and the pool.
"Fake rejects" appear as "Untracked Stratum Share on pool 0".

Hmmmm, okay. Thanks for the information.

So I should consider the rejection rate displayed at the website as the correct one?

Instead of looking at the R:xxx shares at the top, look at the ones per device. That is the correct one.

[imall4btc]

I also started mining at CM around 6-7 hours ago, and I get a rejection rate of 25% as reported in cgminer and  2.5% as stated on the website.

Any help on correcting this issue??

Thanks

The rejects on Cgminer are what we call "Fake Rejects", they are caused by a communication problem between the miner and the pool.
"Fake rejects" appear as "Untracked Stratum Share on pool 0".

Hmmmm, okay. Thanks for the information.

So I should consider the rejection rate displayed at the website as the correct one?

Instead of looking at the R:xxx shares at the top, look at the ones per device. That is the correct one.

Okay, then I think all is fine. My Current A: 292864 R: 3072 .

Thanks for your input, byt411 .

[Terk]

I updated the OP with some notice about fake rejects issue. Please let me know if it's OK and if it will be understandable by new users (or help me write a better text). I'm 100% into tech issues and ongoing maintenance at this moment and I know that I'm not in my best copywriting form today . I'm not sure if what I wrote will clear new users confusions or not. Thanks!

[byt411]

I updated the OP with some notice about fake rejects issue. Please let me know if it's OK and if it will be understandable by new users (or help me write a better text). I'm 100% into tech issues and ongoing maintenance at this moment and I know that I'm not in my best copywriting form today . I'm not sure if what I wrote will clear new users confusions or not. Thanks!

That's good, but you really should add that on-site. Like as a banner, next to the servers.

[Terk]

Also, these are pool-wide rejects averages in the last week.

Code:

2014-05-01: 2.58%
2014-05-02: 3.20%
2014-05-03: 3.89%
2014-05-04: 3.73%
2014-05-05: 4.03%
2014-05-06: 3.73%
2014-05-07: 2.92%

I really don't think that they're higher than at other coin-switch pools. Our rejects average when mining LTC was 0.98% during last week which is also comparable to straight LTC pools.

We sometimes mine coins which have 10% or even 15% rejects ratio and that's why our rejects averages will always be higher than straight LTC mining. But we mine these coins only if profitability difference will make up for rejects difference. For example, a coin with 125% profitability and 10% rejects will give us 125% * 90% = 112.5% net profitability. A coin with 110% profitability and 2% rejects ratio will give us 110% * 98% = 107.8% net profitability. As much as everyone would prefer to see 2% rejects instead of 10% rejects, I bet he would even more prefer to get more profits.

If we temporarily have rejects spike, it only means that we are mining something what's worth throwing 10% of our hashpower into the toilet, because the remaining 90% will earn more than 100% would earn when mining some other coin.

[imall4btc]

Also, these are pool-wide rejects averages in the last week.

Code:

2014-05-01: 2.58%
2014-05-02: 3.20%
2014-05-03: 3.89%
2014-05-04: 3.73%
2014-05-05: 4.03%
2014-05-06: 3.73%
2014-05-07: 2.92%

I really don't think that they're higher than at other coin-switch pools. Our rejects average when mining LTC was 0.98% during last week which is also comparable to straight LTC pools.

We sometimes mine coins which have 10% or even 15% rejects ratio and that's why our rejects averages will always be higher than straight LTC mining. But we mine these coins only if profitability difference will make up for rejects difference. For example, a coin with 125% profitability and 10% rejects will give us 125% * 90% = 112.5% net profitability. A coin with 110% profitability and 2% rejects ratio will give us 110% * 98% = 107.8% net profitability. As much as everyone would prefer to see 2% rejects instead of 10% rejects, I bet he would even more prefer to get more profits.

If we temporarily have rejects spike, it only means that we are mining something what's worth throwing 10% of our hashpower into the toilet, because the remaining 90% will earn more than 100% would earn when mining some other coin.

All understood now, Terk. Thanks for your service and hats off to your hard work you put in running CM!!

[Xenocyde]

I updated the OP with some notice about fake rejects issue. Please let me know if it's OK and if it will be understandable by new users (or help me write a better text). I'm 100% into tech issues and ongoing maintenance at this moment and I know that I'm not in my best copywriting form today . I'm not sure if what I wrote will clear new users confusions or not. Thanks!

That's good, but you really should add that on-site. Like as a banner, next to the servers.

Finally, all my remarks weren't in vain! Thanks for that Terk. Site needs a notice as well.

[edonkey]

if i have multiple rigs and want to see individual stats do i use "btc_rig1"

or somethihng along the lines of that?? or if i do that will it cant it as a differnt address

Use multiple addresses to get individual stats per miner

hrrm i dont want to get paid out every week lol i only have 1.4mh

I agree. The ability to specify a worker name but collect mining revenue at the same address would be very nice.

Other multi pools, like WP have this feature. In fact, given that CM and WP profitability is so close over time, I prefer to stay with WP mostly because they have this feature (as well as an API and wealth of stats).

If CM added some of these features, I'd have less reason to stay with WP. Just sayin...

[_javi_]

The ability to check per rig/worker stats would be awesome.

[alienesb]

The ability to check per rig/worker stats would be awesome.

Yep it sure would

[Xenocyde]

I've been having a weird problem this past week. Happened to me twice. One of my 2 video cards (GPU 0) jumps into Sha-256 mode or something, because hashrate is displayed in MH (around 470 MH/s). GPU 1 never did this. Good thing this happens during the day so I can restart miner fast. Any idea what might cause that jump?

[GolfCabalist]

I've been having a weird problem this past week. Happened to me twice. One of my 2 video cards (GPU 0) jumps into Sha-256 mode or something, because hashrate is displayed in MH (around 470 MH/s). GPU 1 never did this. Good thing this happens during the day so I can restart miner fast. Any idea what might cause that jump?

Not knowing anything specific about GPU mining does not stop me from offereing an answer based on a life of electron herding:

Swap the two cards into the opposite sockets, then make logical conclusions based on the results.  With any intermittent condition, after you intervene it may take a few days before the problem shows up again at all.

If your cards are connected through risers, you may need a second step of leaving the cards connected to the same sockets as you just swapped them to, but this time swapping the risers themselves. 

I always like having things in pairs because it makes circuit-level diagnosis easier.