ChangeNow.io (Evercode Lab) - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins).

[matej krkic]

As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.

There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP unless you are absolutely certain they were involved in a crime. In that case they would have to be turned over to the agency investigating that particular crime and not held by you.
What legal grounds are you talking about? @Polina_ChangeNOW

I’m sure he is involved. Will be waiting for the result of the investigation

[JollyGood]

You're absolutely right - we don't have any right to share the files that the OP has sent. We respect the law, as we have stated multiple times.
As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.

About the GDPR: it's a part of global improvement package that we are implementing. It's a work in progress, and we are introducing changes as they come.
In our public statement we have mentioned that in just a year we have grown from a tiny service into a relatively big project. We are collaborating with legal specialists and advisors in order to keep up with all requirements of the market and to be compliant with all the necessary things. Unfortunately, some implements take some time to get up and running, more than we'd like to. In any case, we are trying to do everything in our power to become the most transparent, convenient, and understandable service on the market and we are eternally grateful for all the constructive comments you've given us.

@Polina_ChangeNOW

Many thanks for the reply Polina, I appreciate it.

Having said that I am not accepting you saying: "As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible."

You actually have no legal grounds to hold his funds, what you are doing is illegal by keeping the crypto the OP sent.

I have had enough of this fiasco. You have been dealing with this for over two months and you are in breach of EU law by not having GDPR on your website. Take that back to your legal firm and website designers, it would take a couple of hours for any competent coder to get that added.

What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?

[Vizefog]

There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

[JollyGood]

There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.

Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.

Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?

[matej krkic]

There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.

Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.

Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?

I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info

[JollyGood]

There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.

Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.

Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?

I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info

They are lying, there was no Europol request. They used selective scamming but messed with the wrong person (the OP).

I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.

[ni23457]

I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.

[matej krkic]

There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.

Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.

Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?

I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info

They are lying, there was no Europol request. They used selective scamming but messed with the wrong person (the OP).

I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.

I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread

[JollyGood]

I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread

I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.

I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.

I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.

[matej krkic]

I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread

I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.

I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.

I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.

There was no mentioning of anonymity at the website at the time of his transaction.

All your and my guesses are unreasonable. Just guesses, no facts. We can only wait for the legal investigation to be finished.

[JollyGood]

I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread

I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.

I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.

I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.

There was no mentioning of anonymity at the website at the time of his transaction.

All your and my guesses are unreasonable. Just guesses, no facts. We can only wait for the legal investigation to be finished.

Yes you are right, at the time of the transaction it seems the words "anonymous and limitless" were removed.

I do not believe there are any legal investigations going on. Changenow could not even tell you what the AML/KYC laws are in Belize which is where they are registered... changenow = selective scammers.

It is simple to see changenow messed with the wrong person and now they need to try to save face. No way do they want to release the funds back to the OP, they want to seize them to punish the OP for humiliating them.

[ni23457]

I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread

Yeah,  a part of some big scam story. The coins are dirtiest. And theymos received such coins for the red banner from me. Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for you

Yes you are right, at the time of the transaction it seems the words "anonymous and limitless" were removed.

It has no sense. They always advertised themselves as anonymous service:
https://www.google.com/search?q=changenow+anonymous
Even their topic here: [EXCHANGE]💰ChangeNOW: anonymous | limitless | 0.5% fee

If they suddenly changed their service, then I had to see a huge alert about it on their site. Honest people would do so.



But in any case, all this is not important. It's just a bunch of people from Russia, a country where cryptocurrency has no legal status. So these people are engaged in illegal business activities there. No state organization controls them. I'm not sure but Russian prosecutor may consider this as illegal banking activity
Thus I do not have to follow the orders of some suspicious people. They had to return my money at my first request.


And forget about Belize and Netherlands. This is a fairy tale for children. Any person can absolutely anonymously register offshore company in Belize (you need not more than $1000) and of course you can buy mailbox and phone number in Netherlands ($50-100 per month)

[matej krkic]

So you were searching for an anonymous exchanger? Interesting.

Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.

[ni23457]

Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.

Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for you

[matej krkic]

Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.

Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for you

[elhero]

They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.


The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that

[matej krkic]

They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.


The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that

I’ve read the story about “russian hackers” and the screenshots of you “conversation” with “Voyager CEO”....This is really amazing, I laughed few hours... I think even at school I wouldn’t believe this. I mean... account with 10 posts is really a good target for russian hackers hahahaha!

Ni23457, please don’t think people are as dumb as you are

[elhero]

They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.


The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that

I’ve read the story about “russian hackers” and the screenshots of you “conversation” with “Voyager CEO”....This is really amazing, I laughed few hours... I think even at school I wouldn’t believe this.

Ni23457, please don’t think people are as dumb as you are

Voyagerapp scam is still open, in fact they are not yet a scam proper mind  except that his admin admitted it. although I will try that nobody accept them in any exchange, and I was the only one who reported it. I'm the only account that has denounced that scam. And from that complaint you relate me to the scam and then to the OP. And you mount a whole conspiracy to steal the OP money, I have come to this post by the red banner in this forum, thousands of people will read this even if they do not comment, and for anyone it is clear that you are looking for any way to legitimize your theft. But think a little before mixing others in your shit with such absurd assumptions.

[monacogooner]

Why the hell are you placing banner ads with scam in the middle of projects threads ? Disgrace

[JollyGood]

@Polina_ChangeNOW

What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?

You did not reply to my previous request: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.msg45690092#msg45690092

Waiting for your reply, thank you.