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[LionOfNarnia]

NICE artwork, Ray

[gregofdoom]

NICE artwork, Ray

As always ... Good job 

[BainbridgeJ]

I realy hate the" gambling" discussion.
If we have the counsel we will made a democratic vote.

Fair point. But we should really define our terms and build on solid ground. What people do with their Zeitcoins is their own business. If there are sites out there that use Zeitcoins, that also is their business. Life is a gamble, but my personal opinion is that invitations to addictive gambling should not appear on any of the Zeitcoin websites. I note that two other posts have come in while writing this, but here goes:

I can't state this strongly enough: I, for one, do not wish to be associated with anything 'tacky' and for Zeitcoin to explicitly encourage gambling, it would strike me as being exactly that - tacky. I like to be associated with quality.

Being part of a group of like-minded people is also important. The boundaries and cornerstones of group 'principles', the word Lion used, should be established early on, not avoided. That's what I assume we have been and are doing. Mitras, I don't include you in this because I think that you are genuine and that we may be speaking at cross-purposes - but speaking for myself, I would not want to belong to a group that was 'unprincipled'. I wouldn't know whether to turn my back, or not.

Neither am I desperate enough to have to stoop to exploiting other people's weaknesses. Zeitcoin facilitating gambling? Not for me. Zeitcoin doesn't need it. It hasn't done other coins any good, has it? Quark? Maxcoin?  I believe Zeitcoin is intrinsicly strong and will rise on its own merit. Quality and principles are part of merit.

[LionOfNarnia]

NICE artwork, Ray

As always ... Good job 

I've already re-posted it on Facebook, Twatter & CoinBlab

[Rent_a_Ray]

Unless I missed a meeting, there is NOTHING in those principles which would countenance the support or promotion of anything to do with gambling.

copied from our official OP:

Games
http://zeit.cryptoraffles.com/

Site seems to be down. I think it was some kind of lottery.
We're not able to control what the people will do with their zeit.
ZEIT is an open currency and if someone make the decision to add ZEIT to an online casino, we cannot prevent this.

The Knights can use ZEIT for their noble intentions, but that's all we can do. ZEIT itself is not under any control. It's P2P.

For example: The Knights can also use Mintcoin for their targets instead.
The Mintcoin community can do nothing. It's an open currency.

ZEIT is free.

PS:
The Knight has been bought from Dreamstime.com.
It's not my work.
Link

Cheers,
Ray

[LionOfNarnia]

Nobody - certainly not me - is saying that what any individual chooses to do with their own coins is any business but their own.

What HAS been said, very clearly, is that there should be no 'official' promotion or support for gambling.

[Rent_a_Ray]

We are scratching our heads over gambling and its definition.
Seems to me, that the real problems of ZEIT have been solved.

There is so much we have to do in the future. I believe we should save our energy for our priorities.
I personally see no sense in such discussions.

Keep on focusing on the goals, not focusing the non-goals.

Cheers,
Ray

[BainbridgeJ]

Well kiklo, do we have the gambling issue as a proposition for a vote on your provisional 'to-do' list?

[Rent_a_Ray]

Well kiklo, do we have the gambling issue as a proposition for a vote on your provisional 'to-do' list?

I believe this compromise is a fair one. We should put this point on our 'to-vote' list.

[BainbridgeJ]

NICE artwork, Ray

As always ... Good job 

I've already re-posted it on Facebook, Twatter & CoinBlab

Ray, you have made some tremendous contributions, and I agree with others that the Zeitknight artwork is great, but don't you think that the knight's horse looks a little bit dopey and down in the mouth? Could we change it slightly to show a more vigorous horse?

[fxtronic]

i ppl i was thinking about the "soul" of the zeitcoin, maybe we cant give water to all the ppl ,but like a GROUP  or like Zeitnights or zeitcoin movement we can give water to a litke group of person ,or maybe only to ONE person , step by step ,can by water or spirulina ,or a 3d printed hand , or a electronic wheelchair ,anything . but one at the time step by step maybe this year is a simple wheelchair but the next year can by water for a aldea or a 3d hand for a children ,(all open source off course)

(sorry for my inglish)

we can try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm-SYMZ7_BU

[Rent_a_Ray]

Ray, you have made some tremendous contributions, and I agree with others that the Zeitknight artwork is great, but don't you think that the knight's horse looks a little bit dopey and down in the mouth? Could we change it slightly to show a more vigorous horse?

Something like this?

[BainbridgeJ]

  OK Ray ... we all know that you have a sense of humour! If it is difficult, I may be able to help.

[LionOfNarnia]

I do not think it is an issue that can be voted on. It is not within the ethos/principles of the coin.

...but that in itself is an issue for discussion before the formation of the knights -

"What are our 'Terms of Reference'?"

[kiklo]

Nobody - certainly not me - is saying that what any individual chooses to do with their own coins is any business but their own.

What HAS been said, very clearly, is that there should be no 'official' promotion or support for gambling.

No Argument on that ,  Notice there was never any gambling or poker added to the goal list.

 

 

[BainbridgeJ]

I do not think it is an issue that can be voted on. It is not within the ethos/principles of the coin.

...but that in itself is an issue for discussion before the formation of the knights -

"What are our 'Terms of Reference'?"

I hope that you are not referring to Ray's alternative nag.

But on a more serious note, I know you are referring to the gambling issue. Whoever owns the coin decides its future. Possession is nine tenths of the law and the community does not possess the coin. Democracy isn't always the best policy (especially when it conflicts with an individual belief). However, important contributors like yourself should be heeded.

If people don't like what is happening, they can chose not to be involved. Those in 'possession' should take note. I have made my views known. If there is to be a Council, then fundamental principles must be established first. Anyone who has been in a business partnership will fully understand this.

I welcome kiklo's post which came in just as I was about to post mine.

[Rent_a_Ray]

I do not think it is an issue that can be voted on. It is not within the ethos/principles of the coin.

Please tell us more about your mining rigs, Lion. I'm sure your 'waste of energy' is not within the ethos/principles of Zeitgeist.
Who has been defined the ethos/principles of this coin in the past? The founder didn't define anything about gambling (see his lottery link on OP).
The Counsel will makes its decision. What are you afraid of?

[BainbridgeJ]

I do not think it is an issue that can be voted on. It is not within the ethos/principles of the coin.

Please tell us more about your mining rigs, Lion. I'm sure your 'waste of energy' is not within the ethos/principles of Zeitgeist.
Who has been defined the ethos/principles of this coin in the past? The founder didn't define anything about gambling (see his lottery link on OP).
The Counsel will makes its decision. What are you afraid of?

I don't what Lion is afraid of, or whether he is afraid at all. I'll tell you what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of a bunch of amatuers making decisions that could adversely affect the value my considerable holding. Sorry to be so blunt.

[kiklo]

Well kiklo, do we have the gambling issue as a proposition for a vote on your provisional 'to-do' list?

No Need, by not placing the creation of a Gambling site in the Goal List.
The Knights never officially recommended it so why would there be a need to officially deny it.

Plus in earlier post, this is not a Knights issue this a personal issue.
We are not going to be governing the community , we are there to ensure its success.
Whatever site an individual or a band of individuals start outsite of the knights is up to them.
The Zeit Community will decide if their sites are a success or not by using or not using their sites.
Freedom of Choice is Paramount to ZEIT, and that is one of the Things the Knights will ENSURE.

However if you feel the need when you become a knight in Feb 2015 to keep up a posting of values and things that the knights are against feel free. Looking forward to your thoughts on the many subjects that will come up.

 

[kiklo]

I don't what Lion is afraid of, or whether he is afraid at all. I'll tell you what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of a bunch of amatuers making decisions that could affect the value my considerable holding. Sorry to be so blunt.

Please list what decisions you are worried the ZeitKnights might make , and we can address them specifically to alleviate your concerns.