[NLG] The even greater Gulden thread!

[johnnybraveau]

The only reason I purchased Gulden was because I thought Nocks was a good service and you could buy at bitcoin merchants using Gulden with Nocks. When Nocks shutdown it was the end for Gulden. I also supported EFL but it never had people like Roel to make a difference.

IMHO the death nail was the removal from litebit and bitcoinmeester. From what I have read on this thread, blockhut only sells the premine and this is a sad state of affairs for potential investors. No one will touch this coin if they can't buy and sell easily.

agreed, easy buying and selling is key. But isnt this a bit of a chicken & egg story? Because platforms delist because of low volume. So where there were easy buy and sell options. People weren't using it. Therefor they stopped with listing them. Because no volume means no money only costs for an exchange or broker.

So back then, nobody was actively trading, buying and selling.

Delistings.

Now nobody is actively trading, buying and selling because there are no (not enough simple to use) listings. Doesn't make total sense. I think the people stopped actively buying and selling because any upward movement was shot down by massive dumps. So people left. The listings left.

Will a proper listing now instantly mean all people start jumping on board again? I am not convinced about that.

[Toldyouso]

The only reason I purchased Gulden was because I thought Nocks was a good service and you could buy at bitcoin merchants using Gulden with Nocks. When Nocks shutdown it was the end for Gulden. I also supported EFL but it never had people like Roel to make a difference.

IMHO the death nail was the removal from litebit and bitcoinmeester. From what I have read on this thread, blockhut only sells the premine and this is a sad state of affairs for potential investors. No one will touch this coin if they can't buy and sell easily.

agreed, easy buying and selling is key. But isnt this a bit of a chicken & egg story? Because platforms delist because of low volume. So where there were easy buy and sell options. People weren't using it. Therefor they stopped with listing them. Because no volume means no money only costs for an exchange or broker.

So back then, nobody was actively trading, buying and selling.

Delistings.

Now nobody is actively trading, buying and selling because there are no (not enough simple to use) listings. Doesn't make total sense. I think the people stopped actively buying and selling because any upward movement was shot down by massive dumps. So people left. The listings left.

Will a proper listing now instantly mean all people start jumping on board again? I am not convinced about that.

Other coins are in a healthy situation for a bear market. I expressed my concerns when Gulden started and I was proven right. Rijk chased away the people that could help Gulden grow. I was told to stop helping the market and left it, instead of uniting the community, Rijk divided the community because only dev is a requirement. Gulden is dead and no coming back unless dratic change in attitude and non threatening antics against the community is realized.

[NocksInv]

Blockhut has progressed well after all these years. 

3 years ago it was selling the dev funding and 3 years later it's advanced to selling the dev funding.

[DeathstarApproaching]

The only reason I purchased Gulden was because I thought Nocks was a good service and you could buy at bitcoin merchants using Gulden with Nocks. When Nocks shutdown it was the end for Gulden. I also supported EFL but it never had people like Roel to make a difference.

IMHO the death nail was the removal from litebit and bitcoinmeester. From what I have read on this thread, blockhut only sells the premine and this is a sad state of affairs for potential investors. No one will touch this coin if they can't buy and sell easily.

Will a proper listing now instantly mean all people start jumping on board again? I am not convinced about that.

I was able to promote this coin to others when Gulden was listed on bitcoinmeester. I can't in good faith ask people I know to invest when they will have to go to a exchange to get coins. I know blockhut exists for easy purchases but they don't take coins off the exchanges which would influence the price up or down to create some volume and excitement in the market.

[KrustyTheClown]

Gulden - Fool me once shame in you.
Florin - Fool me twice shame on me.
Gulden NFT - What is the saying for losing a 3rd time?

[BanderCander]

Gulden - Fool me once shame in you.
Florin - Fool me twice shame on me.
Gulden NFT - What is the saying for losing a 3rd time?

I know why all these projects have failed in price, I didn't know until recently that if you invest in these coins you have to also be prepared to do work to promote and add services, everything outside of the blockchain the community needs to make progress.

Unfortunately most investors have full time jobs,careers,family etc that takes up time, if you fall in this category DON'T INVEST

These coins are a great investment if you have no life , have skills, plenty of your own money to invest and money left to make progress on these projects.

Florin is a better choice because no massive dev reward but Munt has 100 million dev reward that will benefit Rijk by you making Munt a success. All the other premined coins the team puts the effort in to make it a success on the blockchain and off the blockchain because they
also benefit and you can invest and not worry.

Rant over but if I knew what I know now I would never have wasted money on this.

[RiseandFall]

Gulden - Fool me once shame in you.
Florin - Fool me twice shame on me.
Gulden NFT - What is the saying for losing a 3rd time?

I know why all these projects have failed in price, I didn't know until recently that if you invest in these coins you have to also be prepared to do work to promote and add services, everything outside of the blockchain the community needs to make progress.

Unfortunately most investors have full time jobs,careers,family etc that takes up time, if you fall in this category DON'T INVEST

These coins are a great investment if you have no life , have skills, plenty of your own money to invest and money left to make progress on these projects.

Florin is a better choice because no massive dev reward but Munt has 100 million dev reward that will benefit Rijk by you making Munt a success. All the other premined coins the team puts the effort in to make it a success on the blockchain and off the blockchain because they
also benefit and you can invest and not worry.

Rant over but if I knew what I know now I would never have wasted money on this.

Previous investors including myself got out when the 2nd 40 dev reward was announced during a pump , that shit deflated real fast. Every decision was a big fuck you investor. Creating a 2nd coin after all the dev dumps the Gulden investors had to pay off while the founder says those investors need to work for his premine while he admits he dumped all his coins. Can't make this shit up.

[BanderCander]

Gulden - Fool me once shame in you.
Florin - Fool me twice shame on me.
Gulden NFT - What is the saying for losing a 3rd time?

I know why all these projects have failed in price, I didn't know until recently that if you invest in these coins you have to also be prepared to do work to promote and add services, everything outside of the blockchain the community needs to make progress.

Unfortunately most investors have full time jobs,careers,family etc that takes up time, if you fall in this category DON'T INVEST

These coins are a great investment if you have no life , have skills, plenty of your own money to invest and money left to make progress on these projects.

Florin is a better choice because no massive dev reward but Munt has 100 million dev reward that will benefit Rijk by you making Munt a success. All the other premined coins the team puts the effort in to make it a success on the blockchain and off the blockchain because they
also benefit and you can invest and not worry.

Rant over but if I knew what I know now I would never have wasted money on this.

Previous investors including myself got out when the 2nd 40 dev reward was announced during a pump , that shit deflated real fast. Every decision was a big fuck you investor. Creating a 2nd coin after all the dev dumps the Gulden investors had to pay off while the founder says those investors need to work for his premine while he admits he dumped all his coins. Can't make this shit up.

Malcolm no longer developer for Munt and Florin, this is over. Rijk still has postmine and domains that was paid for by community funding. One member told me on slack he lost more money on Rijks coins then on a scam coin.

[TheCanadianBach]

Honestly, no one should be surprised. A few years ago I concluded that all the reckless decision made were done on purpose to stop the project from gaining momentum.  As seen on this thread Rijk is involved with lawyers and they most likely advised him to make his money not from Guldens success but from raising funds within the community which would have zero ramifications aslong as he distanced himself from responsibility and ownership.

I think most people figured the above out on their own which is why they left like I did.

After investing in syscoin I saw the difference in a coin that wants a successful niche in the market to a coin that was deliberately sucking the money out of its community over a long stretch.

Don't get caught out with the NFT scheme or you deserve to lose your money.

[Fanto Is back]

Gulden - Fool me once shame in you.
Florin - Fool me twice shame on me.
Gulden NFT - What is the saying for losing a 3rd time?

I know why all these projects have failed in price, I didn't know until recently that if you invest in these coins you have to also be prepared to do work to promote and add services, everything outside of the blockchain the community needs to make progress.

Unfortunately most investors have full time jobs,careers,family etc that takes up time, if you fall in this category DON'T INVEST

These coins are a great investment if you have no life , have skills, plenty of your own money to invest and money left to make progress on these projects.

Florin is a better choice because no massive dev reward but Munt has 100 million dev reward that will benefit Rijk by you making Munt a success. All the other premined coins the team puts the effort in to make it a success on the blockchain and off the blockchain because they
also benefit and you can invest and not worry.

Rant over but if I knew what I know now I would never have wasted money on this.

Previous investors including myself got out when the 2nd 40 dev reward was announced during a pump , that shit deflated real fast. Every decision was a big fuck you investor. Creating a 2nd coin after all the dev dumps the Gulden investors had to pay off while the founder says those investors need to work for his premine while he admits he dumped all his coins. Can't make this shit up.

Malcolm no longer developer for Munt and Florin, this is over. Rijk still has postmine and domains that was paid for by community funding. One member told me on slack he lost more money on Rijks coins then on a scam coin.

Finally it's over

Yippe ki yay MF !

[JwJimJim]

Malcolm no longer developer for Munt and Florin, this is over. Rijk still has postmine and domains that was paid for by community funding. One member told me on slack he lost more money on Rijks coins then on a scam coin.

MaNI won't have a problem with getting another job in the industry.
Rijk needs a course in economics before he tries anything in the future, the decisions and expectations from those decisions were science fiction at best.  eg Selling the postmine on the only service thats easy to buy coins and expecting the price to go up on an exchange that was last relevant in 2017.

[Doxter]

Malcolm no longer developer for Munt and Florin, this is over. Rijk still has postmine and domains that was paid for by community funding. One member told me on slack he lost more money on Rijks coins then on a scam coin.

MaNI won't have a problem with getting another job in the industry.
Rijk needs a course in economics before he tries anything in the future, the decisions and expectations from those decisions were science fiction at best.  eg Selling the postmine on the only service thats easy to buy coins and expecting the price to go up on an exchange that was last relevant in 2017.

The forever down coin, I liquidated my position on this trash long ago. Useless leadership that doesn't take solid advice from people who know how markets work.

[RijkRunsTheBoard]

The forever down coin, I liquidated my position on this trash long ago. Useless leadership that doesn't take solid advice from people who know how markets work.

There was no incentive for Rijk to make the 2 coins a success as he comes from a rich family. His dad is a well known lawyer in my country and Plasman family is well off. Control was more important then success, although he preached no control , the actions was all control.
Gulden and Florin failing = Rijk still has a good life which is why he didn't work hard for the coins success and expected others to do the work, but no community works when a premine is in place because it is expected for the owner of the premine and other rewards to make the coin a success.
This combination of Rijk not needing the coin to be a success and the community hesistant to do work because of the premine was always going to equal failure in the end. Here we are.

[BramVee]

The forever down coin, I liquidated my position on this trash long ago. Useless leadership that doesn't take solid advice from people who know how markets work.

There was no incentive for Rijk to make the 2 coins a success as he comes from a rich family. His dad is a well known lawyer in my country and Plasman family is well off. Control was more important then success, although he preached no control , the actions was all control.
Gulden and Florin failing = Rijk still has a good life which is why he didn't work hard for the coins success and expected others to do the work, but no community works when a premine is in place because it is expected for the owner of the premine and other rewards to make the coin a success.
This combination of Rijk not needing the coin to be a success and the community hesistant to do work because of the premine was always going to equal failure in the end. Here we are.

Yes rijk dad is rich and can support his family. Rijk wanted the community to work on promoting gulden while he paid malcolm for development with the community money from buying premine and the dev rewards and rijk is wise not to use his dads money to support crypto if it does not work , if you rich already why would you risk losing a lot of money if you dont know it will work. I sold gulden long ago so i can be open about my thoughts.

[Cathaya]

This is my worst crypto investment by a long way. It's no surprise when I see the work other coin leaders do compared to this coin.

[BanderCander]

Rijk is peddling his new scam... bull ordinals. Bart and Rob shilling it like they did with the also failed florin. It's the same story from Rijk when he started florin but this will be a test to see who is retarded in that community besides the shills who want your money.

[BarryDnH]

Nobody cares about the coin since the name change to Munt, under less than desirable investor conditions the gulden community still had hope when the blockchain was called Gulden. This blockchain only survived because of the Gulden name.

[JwJimJim]

Nobody cares about the coin since the name change to Munt, under less than desirable investor conditions the gulden community still had hope when the blockchain was called Gulden. This blockchain only survived because of the Gulden name.

...and MaNI , you guys lost a good developer. MaNI should of started his own project without the drag that Rijk brings to the situation.  Rijk isn't a scammer from what I can tell but I don't know if Rijk knows what he wanted with blockchain tech and with all the changes gave a bad impression and uncertainty on your chain.

The Munt name will require more effort to make work than riding on the Gulden nostalgia.

[salvatordoppelbock]

Rijk harmed the community, personal treated me like dirt. he has the premine and does nothing but create fiverr websites when malcolm did all the work. he wanted a easy way to receive money and still has the premine i bet. It was a tough lesson, I don't know if Rob makes money on any of the projects but he must be careful not all his money is wasted on other of Rijks ideas(ideas and no work). Some reeally good people in the community have been taken for a ride.  We sold both coins for heavy loss be careful when investing anything this guy touches.

[Henis]

I lost close to 80% on this coin when I invested in 2017, any regrets? NO! I learnt a lot from Gulden as my first crypto. Thank fuck I did sell or I would be over 95% loss with todays prices.  Most people invested in this coin because of the emotion it stirred up for some of us in the Netherlands which gave this blockchain some value, mainly emotional value. With the new name the emotional value is gone.