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[H8bussesNbicycles]

this is foolproof

if you want lauda tman and owlcatz off of dt this is how you accomplish that goal

add this to all of your trust lists



updated list 2/2/19 <- now also include opposite of lauda personal trust list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

great progress made!

Code:

stingers
HostFat
~dishwara
mich
MemoryDealers
~gmaxwell
~Soros Shorts
TECSHARE
emersonlogan62
JusticeForYou
phantastisch
OgNasty
~EpicFail
~qwk
Phinnaeus Gage
~BitcoinEXpress
~Vod
~Anduck
Tomatocage
Varyg
~DiamondCardz
~Foxpup
Xian01
doothewop
lenny_
DannyHamilton
~KWH
whistle11
BG4
~monkeynuts
peloso
~ibminer
~Gimpeline
cryptohunter
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Ikinoki
~jimhsu
defcon23
~TMAN
nomad13666
monocolor
dreamhouse
Sylon
~Mitchell
fisheater
~vizique
KyrosKrane
cyclops
dArkjON
~Blazed
jeremypwr
BayAreaCoins
~minifrij
dukeneptun
EFS
~yogg
~TheQuin
~leancuisine
~klaaas
dfox101
~TheNewAnon135246
MoreBloodWine
~Bitze
bitcoinicon
~hedgy73
squatter
~scutzi128
~hilariousandco
LiQio
ItaCraft
~Avirunes
vikingchild
pandacoin
shorena
~iluvpie60
henriquelb
Grrizz
~gysca
~suchmoon
jamesclark
strasboug
Tupsu
TheCoinFinder
~JayJuanGee
grtthegreat
~NeuroticFish
Rmcdermott927
~whywefight
hoop
ACAB
Hatcher
mattermaster
teeGUMES
NoxX
Dogedigital
CryptoImperator
~nutildah
~JohnUser
Muhammed Zakir
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windows88
boost523
ABitNut
z0n0
ingiltere
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bamb
Nalien
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amingo51
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zazarb
Undermood
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kusumadewi
~Limx Dev
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~mocacinno
~klarki
MaoChao
~CanadaBits
~Miyslovenic
~kken01
~psycodad
nasituygun
~bones261
~LoyceV
jerowacik
~actmyname
Last of the V8s
WhiteManWhite
~The Pharmacist
~Funny
~PrivacyLock
~vCardVideo
Zeroxal
~tennozer
~Lutpin
~anakinisme
vlom
termo$
my luck
eddie13
FutureBitcoin
salamyman
kzv
~Arpetuos
~mexxer-3 was chosen
TheFuzzStone
~condoras
~Slow death
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~Gunthar
Johnny00
~cInfiniteBtcLetsShare
Lipe490
udp
kingcarsen
taktik
swetka
ssuchy
Angelo Santos
johnsmithx
~Hhampuz
philggg
realbigs21024
Andrey123
dreamer81
endlasuresh
~jenia1
~crwth
wnj4
Techie5879
starb
iconis999
~Henkkaa
~Kryptowerk
rtinedal
HiDevin
Yudai
4FF
tarolog
HopeCrypto
~Aerys2
anahata
4atterbox
jam22
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Jako0203
iandoZ
~aundroid
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MrRig
thang long
xenon131
deeperx
Goran_
Angelo38
joshua05
ByteFree
DutchFinity
~roycilik
~Halab
Doncarlos74
afm
Danica22
HALLASTERA
Spotika4
mak013
Erelas
Xal0lex
~Gambit_fr
Aditya Sharma
~tweetbit
udppro
Epicyclic
~Trofo
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~amishmanish
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Serg088
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Ikay
Angi
Lang09
~o_e_l_e_o
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3meek
chimk
~AleksandrKosov
ac2eugenio
mantoni
softwork-LuckyGames
~catur_072
Bazinga442
kinki32
ovcijisir
biom33
~iasenko
aurorabitcoin.96
Deena
Denlv
beerus118
randyboy
BITpashaCOIN
Bitcoin_Talk
mdayonliner
Vinylriff
Polkeins
mr.creampie
chickinini
cryptorgasm
~asche
TinaMoran
Pablojob
PiningGarcia
PingGermoco
NilaMutac
~cabalism13
cryptopov
OptimusFries
poypototoy
~anonymousminer
BRAHN
Bilibitph
Lunes_Platform
~Alex_Sr
esmanthra
Shikahgo
bubbalex
Zin-Zang
taikuri13
madnessteat
nichebrod
~Coolcryptovator
Casper Simian
~DireWolfM14
ultofresto
Bitex_Global
~1miau
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~Luana Trade
DabLjat
Rooivalk
~pirashki
~ZeusTrade
The Real Angelo Santos
~S_Therapist
gwsukabokepjepang

copy and paste it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust in the text box and click update!


i will update this list every sunday or as often as i can

whoever adds this list will be updated to ON this trust list + and be on dt
i did all the work to make it and will continue to keep it updated
you add it
i update it
you update it in 1 week
you all are on dt and lauda tman and owlcatz is gone
but first you must add it

this can take the power away
just add it and update your trust list with this list every sunday


if you dont want to be excluded on this mass list remove your inclusion of lauda tman and owlcatz and it will be updated without your exclusion
thier are casualties and i apologize


if you want to be included on this list then just exclude lauda tman and owlcatz

whoever adds this list will be included + on this list in the next update and take control of dt away from lauda


4got selfmod

extortion is more effective

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[H8bussesNbicycles]

Sorry mate I can't help you.

nobody cares what you think noob lauda asskisser

[Deena]

This would work?

Well, it's worth a try, and your attempt is worth some merit. 

[H8bussesNbicycles]

This would work?

Well, it's worth a try, and your attempt is worth some merit.  

YES

tell your friends to come and join!!!

it WILL work!!!!!!!
only a few accounts and it will work!!!!!

why do you think they are so sccared? because it will work!!

just adding the trust list will work to remove lauda and others will be removing lauda because they are afraid of my trust list they will remove lauda

gave you all the merit i can too!!

it WILL work!!!!!!!
only a few accounts and it will work!!!!!

Considering that DefaultTrust is pretty typical in most user's trust lists

adding default trust to your list does not include lauda or anyone for votes


dont you know how this shit works?
it only works on the names you personally add
adding only dt does not vote for all dt
it gives no votes


what this list is doing is voting for everyone that excludes lauda and excluding everyone that votes for lauda

it will fucking work

if you are voting for lauda remove your vote and you will be off this exclusions list


you do now have the basis for accusing me of conspiracy if this person has now conspired with me

actmyname = Trust: -8183: -13 / +9

[Bazinga442]

Done! Thanks! Finally somebody standing up to these clowns. I've never made a single trade on this forum but these idiots ganged up on my account for speaking the truth they don't wanna hear. Not that it matters, unlike them I have a real job. Cheers!

I don't blame them though, its all on theymos for allowing criminals run riot on here.

As someone with no idea how the trust settings works, I currently have the Trust depth (max 4) set @ 2. Is this OK?

[H8bussesNbicycles]

UPDATE: DEENA ADDED TO INCLUSION LIST!!!
WILL ADD Bazinga442 TO INCLUSION AFTER I CONFIRM THEIR LIST ALSO

Done! Thanks! Finally somebody standing up to these clowns. I've never made a single trade on this forum but these idiots ganged up on my account for speaking the truth they don't wanna hear. Not that it matters, unlike them I've got a real job. Cheers!

Thank you!
We are well on our way to removing LAUDA!!

Tell your friends!!

[Deena]

Does trust depth matter?

[Deena]

I don't blame them though, its all on theymos for allowing criminals run riot on here.

I blame both. Theymos for not properly and honestly governing this forum and the trust and merit scammers for damaging others for the sake of their own benefit or even just for fun.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

Does trust depth matter?

no
add  ;dt to the end of any url to see default trust after you have added a list

I don't blame them though, its all on theymos for allowing criminals run riot on here.

I blame both. Theymos for not properly and honestly governing this forum and the trust and merit scammers for damaging others for the sake of their own benefit or even just for fun.

theymos saw this lauda fight coming and prepared the trust system to handle the war
that is why this will work

Why are you trying to get people to exclude the entire DT list instead of just Lauda?

it is only a list of who included lauda excluded
the list excludes who includes lauda and includes who excludes lauda
if you think lauda should be in dt then you shouldnt be in dt
it is the opposite of who includes or excludes lauda
how many times will i have to explain the trust system to dt members
what in the actual fuck
can i dumb it down any further?
theymos made it this complicated
go ask him how my trust list will work if you cant get it yourself

its fucking votes

[Thule]

Since i always demanded these DT members to be excluded from DT since the community has no trust in them at all ,only some leading DT members i will adopt that list into my trust setting to activly push Lauda and its cult out of DT.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

Since i always demanded these DT members to be excluded from DT since the community has no trust in them at all ,only some leading DT members i will adopt that list into my trust setting to activly push Lauda and its cult out of DT.

thats right
we are getting ACTIVE
good job buddy
tell your friends to stop by

you are on the list

[Thule]

Beautifull picture of the year

thats right
we are getting ACTIVE

Talked to two more legendaries who have been abused by them.They are also going to adjust their trust settings.

And to the people claiming we support scammers.

Please show me where i have scammed someone or cryptohunter who is since 2012 here.
Ignorace of tagging innocent people and keeping defaming them leads always to an internal fight.
They got what they asked for.

[cryptohunter]

Great work let's remove these DT abusers.

I think it is time to take this to other boards also to bring more awareness soon.

[Thule]

There is more to come.Some legendaries already talking.......big steps coming......


You finally made it happen that a bigger part of the older community started moving.
If you think that the DT trust list is everything which is going to happen than i have to disappoint you.

I doubt you will be able to stop it anymore.You had your chance long enough.

Theymos provided the tools we are going to use them and will pick only DT members who are really representing the community and owns their trust.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

Half the names you have on your trust list cancel most of the other half out with cross negatives of each-other.

THIS LIST IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHO TRUSTS AND DISTRUSTS LAUDA
https://loyce.club/trust/2019-01-29_Tue_08.13h/101872.html

plus those who have added this list because if they add the list then they distrust lauda so they are trusted on this list

elementary my dear timelord
you are on this list because you distrust lauda

[cryptohunter]

We need to ensure the merit 250 threshold is met by people who are fair and just.  We need to ensure merit is given to merit worthy posts of the persons who a will be fair and use the trust system responsibly.

We need to start a union of persons that will not put up with this trust abuse.  Sensible persons need to apply for merit source and make sure merit goes to merit worthy posts of those that are proven to be fair and sensible.

Merit is the key to DT now. You can have no power in the DT system unless you have 2 persons there that have 250 earned (cycled and abused) merits apparently.

The union though must not be infiltrated by any scammers else it will destroy the credibility of it. Only those that are honest and want to see the board fair and open for all and not have it's free speech crushed by these broken and gamed systems of control.

DT is now based upon merits. The voting aspect is a sham without the 250 earn merit key positions required. We need to ensure some honest members who will not be bullied by these abusing scum meet that requirement. So review their posts for real merit worthy contributions.

All snr members plus should apply for merit source.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

I still don't think that an echochamber conveys your message better than well-reasoned thoughts.

chat about it all you want

It's interesting, I might say. (10 posts by 8 users with 5 merit deleted.)

Bit of confirmation bias innit.

bit of bias ya

Despite the narrative you're aiming to push it seems rather unlikely for any real progress to be made, especially since all those that have replied on the thread have a negative DefaultTrust rating.

dt rating does not matter
votes matter
nice try with misinformation

It's not misinformation that I'm spreading. You're trying to get "big players" into your plan. Most users that have earned merit aren't those that have heavy negative trust.

small votes are fine

I believe the real misinformation is pushed by those that are attempting to create a one-sided discussion.

k
we dont need anymore information
we know

If the crux of your beginnings are stemmed in censorship, then what kind of state are you pushing for the new DefaultTrust to become?

this is only one thread

Regardless of the number of threads, adding self-moderation and deleting every new reply that isn't in accordance with your beliefs is blatant censorship.

you are not signature spamming and merit whoring in my thread
you come up with a deal that removes lauda and we will talk to end the war

It just seems like an incontinent display of needless indignance: to resort to absolute control of the thread in a way as to isolate any opposition reduces perceptions to a guaranteed victory.

you are not derailing my thread

Derailing your thread? By adding in a differing opinion?

I suppose that's one way to consider it.

this thread is action

Aren't these ad-hominem attacks, these deletions of dissent, these attacks on differing opinions exactly the kind of thing that you would typically want to avoid when it comes to intelligent discussion?

not a discussion thread

Hey guys anyone can easily understand whats going on here. Its completely against the rules of bitcointalk. You guys are trying to manipulate the whole DT selection system. This subject should be discuss on Meta section & i am going to do it as a forum member.

do it

If the thread is not for discussion then why open it to replies? Perhaps a locked thread would be of more substance, aye?

only users i want in my thread

you are off topic

Then, if you offer only options of discussion to those that you permit, isn't it truly a one-way discussion? After all, if you're conversing with other members, that's a discussion by definition.

this thread is for removing lauda
keeping lauda discussion is off topic
my thread
go open a keep lauda thread

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now you are just trolling

I don't think I'm trolling. Would you like to have the moderators determine the validity of that claim? Just leave this post up.

Any discussion about not removing Lauda from DT is relevant to the removal of Lauda from DT. It's just P and (not) P.

why leave your post up?
discuss keeping lauda in your own thread
this thread is HOW TO REMOVE LAUDA
not if to keep or remove lauda
how to remove

[H8bussesNbicycles]

If discussion is exclusively for the removal of Lauda, then what of this?

wanna bet

ognasty escrow ok with you?

a stumped enemy

[H8bussesNbicycles]

If discussion is exclusively for the removal of Lauda, then what of this?

wanna bet

ognasty escrow ok with you?

a stumped enemy

Doesn't seem quite consistent with what you're telling me. It's supposed to only be about how to remove Lauda!

what do you want to post here so badly?

[Bazinga442]

Doesn't seem quite consistent with what you're telling me. It's supposed to only be about how to remove Lauda!

Kindly fuck off. He does not have explain himself to you. This is a self moderated thread, just like other threads that are moderated on here. Try preaching free speech to your mates with moderated threads, then you'd be taken seriously.

[cryptohunter]

There's soo much red on this thread, avoid it..

Lauda is perfectly fine.

Not only I've talked to her , and she helped me through when I had some inconviniences, from what i've seen she keeps fórum very clean. So its a must IMO for Lauda to be on DT.

Regarding your list, I can't say much since never talked to any of them I guess. But I rather be safe than sorry.

You anecdotal experience means nothing.

I have proven lauda is a liar.
I have proven lauda is a trust abuser.
I have proven tman is a trust abuser.

You understand this is proven in black and white. It is not uncommon for a liar and untrustworthy person to help others now and then. However that makes zero difference to the fact they are proven liars and trust abusers and therefore unsuitable for DT.

All those supporting a proven liar and trust abuser are therefore untrustworthy too.

It is quite simple.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!

[gwsukabokepjepang]

i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!

You have 12 posts, gwsukabokepjepang.

You rank up based on merit, not trust. 

Of course, trust serves some kind of purpose, but in terms of merely participating in the forum and sharing bitcoin information, you don't need trust for that. 

You also don't need merit in order to participate in the sharing information aspects of the forum, but I will concede that ranking up is a kind of nice thing to show members who have both been around a while and have positively contributed to the forum (currently also as recognized by other members).

i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.
This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!

You have 12 posts, gwsukabokepjepang.

You rank up based on merit, not trust. 

Of course, trust serves some kind of purpose, but in terms of merely participating in the forum and sharing bitcoin information, you don't need trust for that. 

You also don't need merit in order to participate in the sharing information aspects of the forum, but I will concede that ranking up is a kind of nice thing to show members who have both been around a while and have positively contributed to the forum (currently also as recognized by other members).

i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.
This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

You are welcome to put in your own negative trust comment for the person who scammed you. It will show up when someone clicks on "untrusted feedback." However, anyone who is doing their due diligence when considering getting involved in a transaction with someone will check the "untrusted feedback" as well. By leaving legit trust feedback, even you, a newbie, can prevent someone else from getting scammed.

I just can't believe it that VINSIN gets negative feedback from DTs. Where are all his real customers giving the feedback???
This create the illusion for me that this guy maybe is being unfairly treated by DTs.

+ this forum should not be about old members anymore, look at the alexa rank for bitcoitalk alone, it's decreasing rapidly.
You can ask us to leave, it's okay. Because this forum has gained lots of traffic for the wrong reason too!
And believe me, lots of people are slowly leaving.
Mods here have to do something about the newbies who genuinely wants to grow.

I bought account because i think it's just really tough now for newbies to rank up.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!

You have 12 posts, gwsukabokepjepang.

You rank up based on merit, not trust. 

Of course, trust serves some kind of purpose, but in terms of merely participating in the forum and sharing bitcoin information, you don't need trust for that. 

You also don't need merit in order to participate in the sharing information aspects of the forum, but I will concede that ranking up is a kind of nice thing to show members who have both been around a while and have positively contributed to the forum (currently also as recognized by other members).

i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.
This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

You are welcome to put in your own negative trust comment for the person who scammed you. It will show up when someone clicks on "untrusted feedback." However, anyone who is doing their due diligence when considering getting involved in a transaction with someone will check the "untrusted feedback" as well. By leaving legit trust feedback, even you, a newbie, can prevent someone else from getting scammed.

ok, why is my real customers feedback being put on untrusted feedback?
While DTs fake feedback showing as trusted? they have not even pay money to him.

Not done any transactions and its trusted? Okay can!
I just can say this system is ripped off!

for 100 newbies, probably only 5 can rank up, even that takes years!

[gwsukabokepjepang]

You can ask us to leave

Pretty please. Nobody needs this here:

I bought account because i think it's just really tough now for newbies to rank up.

give a good reason why my real customer feedback showing untrusted?
And your feedback showing as trusted? you did not even done any transactions with him.

or are you just defending this forum even though i have got a point?

[gwsukabokepjepang]

give a good reason why my real customer feedback showing untrusted?
And your feedback showing as trusted? U did not even done any transactions with him.

or are u just defending this forum even though i have got a point?

Your attempt to buy a green account is a good enough reason to not trust anything you do or post.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104220.40 look at how many customers, with just 6 transactions, VINSIN manage to scam before me, by your so called perfect trust system?

[endlasuresh]

Does this really helps to defend Lauda? just added them to my list.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

I have never seen anything like this before in Reputation.

Account Deena woke up after 5 months, and from where are all these newbie accounts coming from...

Dammit, I miss digaran, it seems he was the sane one...nah, just kidding  

just got started

[gwsukabokepjepang]

i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!

You have 12 posts, gwsukabokepjepang.

You rank up based on merit, not trust.  

Of course, trust serves some kind of purpose, but in terms of merely participating in the forum and sharing bitcoin information, you don't need trust for that.  

You also don't need merit in order to participate in the sharing information aspects of the forum, but I will concede that ranking up is a kind of nice thing to show members who have both been around a while and have positively contributed to the forum (currently also as recognized by other members).

i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.
This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

You are welcome to put in your own negative trust comment for the person who scammed you. It will show up when someone clicks on "untrusted feedback." However, anyone who is doing their due diligence when considering getting involved in a transaction with someone will check the "untrusted feedback" as well. By leaving legit trust feedback, even you, a newbie, can prevent someone else from getting scammed.

I just can't believe it that VINSIN gets negative feedback from DTs. Where are all his real customers giving the feedback???
This create the illusion for me that this guy maybe is being unfairly treated by DTs.

+ this forum should not be about old members anymore, look at the alexa rank for bitcoitalk alone, it's decreasing rapidly.
You can ask us to leave, it's okay. Because this forum has gained lots of traffic for the wrong reason too!
And believe me, lots of people are slowly leaving.
Mods here have to do something about the newbies who genuinely wants to grow.

I bought account because i think it's just really tough now for newbies to rank up.

Are you being serious? You litterally accused VINSIN of being a scammer yesterday: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104220.msg49503668#msg49503668

You even left him negative feedback twice. DT members tagged him for being an account seller, which is considered a highly dodgy activity.

because that's DT leaving him a negative feedback! How i know which are the real feedback?

[gwsukabokepjepang]

He scammed you right? Do you think their negative feedback is appropriate?
[/quote]

are you one of VINSIN alts account???
nice joke!
Of course it's appropriate, i bought from him and he scammed me.

He has not even tell us how many customers he have scammed!

[gwsukabokepjepang]

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i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

Concededly, I have not really been giving out trust ratings, so I am not really that personally experienced to comment about the fairness of the situation.  But, I do see if you get in some kind of political battle on the forum, then you might attract red trust.

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.

I concede that it could take hundreds of posts to become liked in this forum, and to participate in a variety of threads.  I tend to participate in Bitcoin related threads, because that is what interests me.  Of course, since I have been on the forum for about 5 years, I have also recently (especially in the last year or so) meandered out into other aspects of the forum, including meta. 

what I am trying to say here is that it can take a decently long time to get people to know you well enough to want to merit your posts, and of course, if you get into political battles early on and receive red trust, then it might become more difficult to earn merit - except by perhaps continuing those political battles and trying to get merits based on politics rather than just participating in bitcoin (or perhaps crypto) forum topics.

This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

Merits seem to have helped with some of the spamming and farming of accounts.  I doubt that it is fair to assert that life is unfair because you happened to NOT be here in earlier days, before the merit system.  There is a kind of luck of the draw there, and yeah, there are likely a lot of high merited members who don't deserve such, but in the end, there is likely some value in trying to figure out ways to benefit yourself personally, whether that is spending less time on the forum, finding other places to spend your time or just contributing to the forum over time, and maybe in several years, you gain more and more credibility on the forum (if that is what you want to achieve?).

finding other places to spend your time or just contributing to the forum over time, and maybe in several years, you gain more and more credibility on the forum (if that is what you want to achieve?).

forget it! newbies eventually give up because of this merit system. Some resort to buying accounts.
spamming and farming of accounts. There are other ways to prevent it, like i thought the max post per week is already enough to prevent spam?
if you don't implement the merit system, buying of accounts will not even happen!

[gwsukabokepjepang]

He scammed you right? Do you think their negative feedback is appropriate?

are you one of VINSIN alts account???
nice joke!
Of course it's appropriate, i bought from him and he scammed me.

He has not even tell us how many customers he have scammed!

Then why are you complaining about the feedback left by DT? They tried warning people like you to stay away from him.
[/quote]

U think DTs feedback can be trusted?
Unless they bought from him, then that feedback is not valid my friend.

So i will support this thread too!
There need to be a change!

Too much power by DTs, i thought it's about decentralization?

[gwsukabokepjepang]

[edited out]

forget it! newbies eventually give up because of this merit system. Some resort to buying accounts.
spamming and farming of accounts. There are other ways to prevent it, like i thought the max post per week is already enough to prevent spam?
if you don't implement the merit system, buying of accounts will not even happen!

Sounds like you are merely trying to rationalize and justify your own admitted behavior to solicit the purchase of an account.

I am pretty sure that there has been buying and selling of forum accounts since before I was a member (more than 5 years), of course the dynamics likely changed due to changed circumstances, such as the merit system that you mentioned and likely the changes to trust could affect the selling of accounts dynamics.

If you are in a rush to get an account because you want to use it for commercial reasons, then I understand, the reason for the rush; however, if you are merely wanting to engage in the normal forum activities of participating in the sharing of bitcoin (and perhaps other crypto) related information, then you are able to engage in those activities right away.. zero merit and no trust, and with the passage of time, and honest participation you will build your forum credibility.  I will concede that could take several years to really build credibility - unless you are an exceptional case  and there have been several members who have risen in the forum ranks of both merit and trust quickly, but those are likely exceptions rather than normal situations.

So newbies can't take part in trade and do signature campaigns? Where is the fairness?
I think there should be a general election where public can cast their votes on who on the DT needs to be out!

[gwsukabokepjepang]

This thread should be a sticky post!

lets overthrow them!

[Thule]

What you guys think about buying advertisement for this thread on BCT ?
Let's use the tools the forum is providing to us.
We can make a red banner with their usernames and add words like Abuse or Scam and redirect that traffic to that topic.
According to theymos a single banner ad gets over 1.000.000 views so you can say the whole board will be quickly informed about our activity.

I'm going to PM theymos asking if he would approve such an ad.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

What you guys think about buying advertisement of this thread on BCT ?
Let's use the tools the forum is providing to us.
We can make a red banner with their usernames and add words like Abuse or Scam and redirect that traffic to that topic.
According to theymos a single banner ad gets over 1.000.000 views so you can say the whole board will be quickly informed about our activity.

I'm going to PM theymos asking if he would approve such an ad.

yes! i will donate, if anyone can set up a kickstarter or gofundme!
We can vote to throw off these trust abusers!

Till now they are saying that the trust system works perfectly,
when it's not!

[Thule]

Request sent to theymos.
Will start bidding after receiving his reply

[cryptohunter]

I doubt Theymos will allow the advertisement of false accusations.

How do you figure false accusations?

I have proof

1. lauda is a liar
2. tman is a trust abuser
3. The pharmacist is a proven sock puppet racist trolling sig spammer

these things are proven fact

want evidence browse my meta posts I have presented the evidence about 100x

we need to start including all of their snake like supporters on a list with references of proven wrong doing , untrustworthy actions and those that openly support them

nutildah- this is another one. he knows they are proven liars and trust abusers but continues to support them
get this snake on the list - disgusting fool pretends to have supported people like bruno in the past but now seems to have defected to want to support proven liars and trust abusers.

Moglie - another proven liar and untrustworthy fool. We need to these types that in black and white prove themselves untrustworthy.

actually most of meta is totally dirty or fully supporting of dirty deeds. However we need to keep to the facts and document it all nicely

I mean lauda itself is a walking poster boy for terminating DT on the spot but there are others probably worse lurking around.

This thread is a good start to get people here but really we need in the end to stick to facts and observable events that demonstrate clear wrong doing, clear double standards, clear gaming of the merit and DT systems, clear abuse of DT ..... we can not let it get clouded with grey areas where there is no clear right or wrong.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

Request sent to theymos.
Will start bidding after receiving his reply

do send this thread too!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104397.0

problem is that the trust system is abused by same people.

[Deena]

I have never seen anything like this before in Reputation.

Account Deena woke up after 5 months, and from where are all these newbie accounts coming from...

After Lauda got off DT things were quiet and peaceful around here and I was sleeping the sleep of the innocent. Then Theymos decided to shake things up again, rather rudely. That's what woke me up. I had preferred to stay asleep. 

[gwsukabokepjepang]

I have never seen anything like this before in Reputation.

Account Deena woke up after 5 months, and from where are all these newbie accounts coming from...

After Lauda got off DT things were quiet and peaceful around here and I was sleeping the sleep of the innocent. Then Theymos decided to shake things up again, rather rudely. That's what woke me up. I had preferred to stay asleep. 

the trust system has to be called off!
It's really not good.

[Thule]

Unbeknownst to the lender, the account was sold last week. Is it fair that the new "owner" has all that green trust listed on their account? Does this allow the lender to make an "informed" decision regarding the trustworthiness of the borrower?

Thats called baby sitting what you want to explain with that.You are trying to make the lender sheep like.
You want to protect each dumb lender who isn't able to make his own due dilligance and risk calculation by taking freedom out of the forum ?


@rest Theymos is an awesome guy 

Will post soon a link

[gwsukabokepjepang]

Thats called baby sitting what you want to explain with that.You are trying to make the lender sheep like.
You want to protect each dumb lender who isn't able to make his own due dilligance and risk calculation by taking freedom out of the forum ?

No, it isn't babysitting... it is enabling users to make informed and considered decisions.

If DT were not able to tag an obviously sold/bought account (which is what gwsukabokepjerang is advocating for, they want only "confirmed" buyers/sellers to be able to leave feedback)... how exactly is a "dumb lender" supposed to conduct "due diligence and risk calculation"? How would the "dumb lender" even know that the account was sold?

The obvious flaw in gwsukabokepjerang's argument, is that there is no facility to confirm buyers/sellers on this platform. There is nothing to stop a user from creating 100 alt accounts and leaving themselves 100 positive reviews. How would that let a user conduct due diligence? This place is a discussion board first and foremost... and simply has a "marketplace" board where people can put buy/sell notices. This is not amazon, it is not ebay... yet, that seems to be what they want... BitcointalkBay or something? *shrug*

Anyway, personally, I'm more for tagging bought/sold accounts as "neutral", as opposed to insta-tagging them red... This would then flag the account as bought/sold, so users know that previous trade history and feedback is no longer valid. If users are not checking the complete trust history (trusted AND untrusted) of anyone they conduct business with, then that is their problem. I'm a big fan of personal responsibility... just like "be your own bank"... you need to "be your own security department"!  

If a neutral tagged account then does something stupid like scam or spam for sig etc... then sure, go and tag them red.

see, you don't read my post, i said the trust is implemented after buying and selling.
i have done what i could to prevent VINSIN from scamming more people, but what's the point?

All my posts just get deleted.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

(which is what gwsukabokepjerang is advocating for, they want only "confirmed" buyers/sellers to be able to leave feedback)...

The obvious flaw in gwsukabokepjerang's argument, is that there is no facility to confirm buyers/sellers on this platform. There is nothing to stop a user from creating 100 alt accounts and leaving themselves 100 positive reviews. How would that let a user conduct due diligence? This place is a discussion board first and foremost... and simply has a "marketplace" board where people can put buy/sell notices. This is not amazon, it is not ebay... yet, that seems to be what they want... BitcointalkBay or something? *shrug*

see, you don't read my post, i said the trust is implemented after buying and selling.

No, you didn't read (or you didn't understand) my post... that is exactly what I said you said... you want "only confirmed buyers/sellers to be able to leave feedback". Is that not what you mean when you say "trust is implemented after buying and selling"?

You still haven't addressed the fact that there is NO WAY to be able to do this on the Bitcointalk platform. As I said, this is a discussion board... it isn't geared towards online commerce. The fact that people can arrange trades does not make this a proper eCommerce platform with buyer/seller protection built in. There is a reason why everyone advocates for using trusted escrows. Without it, there is NO protection.

i have done what i could to prevent VINSIN from scamming more people, but what's the point?

Because the trust rating you left is still there... everyone can see your feedback, if they chose to click "untrusted" feedback... and if they have you on their trust list, it'll even show up as "trusted". That's how trust works.

I always check ALL the feedback that a user has... but that's me. If people are too lazy to do that, then that's their problem.

If you have better solution for it, then you can tell the mods too.
I have said that vinsin will scam more people with this system.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

pms coming of supporters adding list but stay private

progress

[Deena]

pms coming of supporters adding list but stay private

progress

Happy to read about that.

This was actually supposed to be a decentralized and democratic forum, however members have become affraid to speak out their opinion openly out of fear of the clique of trust scammers.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

slowly this is a revolution!!!

[cryptohunter]

nutildah- this is another one. he knows they are proven liars and trust abusers but continues to support them
get this snake on the list - disgusting fool pretends to have supported people like bruno in the past but now seems to have defected to want to support proven liars and trust abusers.

Cool, I made another list  

Chill out Super Wario. I already outlined for you my rationale why I added them.

I still support Bruno and I always will.

Since it offended your feelings so much (and was a largely inconsequential move to begin with), I took you off my precious tilde list. But after reading what you wrote about me, I should probably consider re-adding you.

Look don't pretend I did not already say this to your face in meta it's not like I am talking shit about you behind your back. I am not at all happy to see someone who was a keen supporter of bruno who highlighted and fought HUGE SCAMS not these little pesky scammers that just pop back up next day under new accounts. Who now turns to the total dark side and support liars that red trust people for telling the truth about them and who ~ bruno himself I notice.

You can not support proven liars and trust abusers on one hand (whom themselves ~ BRUNO) and support Bruno at the same time.

Anyway do as you wish, I understand it takes a lot of courage to do the right thing.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

List updated


Please update your lists with the new list in the first post

Concerned cult member here.
I really wonder who is behind this.

me
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0

Someone dumb enough to think that negative votes count.

keeps track of who to vote for and puts ~lauda users on dt1
 
reminds me i should add laudas personal list too in inverse   <- done

[Deena]

I don't care who you're trying to vote out of DT but you have defcon23 in your trust list. He's a known scammer who tried selling people silver plated bars claiming they were .999 silver bars. You are proving Lauda right by having people like him in your trust list.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Lauda is a proven scammer in so many ways; escrow, trust, merit; you name it. And being such a scammer Lauda can never be proven right, exactly because the opposite, his wrong doings, have been proven. Lauda's simply the biggest scammer on this forum and thus has to go first. The rest is small talk.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

I don't care who you're trying to vote out of DT but you have defcon23 in your trust list. He's a known scammer who tried selling people silver plated bars claiming they were .999 silver bars. You are proving Lauda right by having people like him in your trust list.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Lauda is a proven scammer in so many ways; escrow, trust, merit; you name it. And being such a scammer Lauda can never be proven right, exactly because the opposite, his wrong doings, have been proven. Lauda's simply the biggest scammer on this forum and thus has to go first. The rest is small talk.

they act like lauda saves all from crooks we can easily save ourselvs from
lauda does not
lauda only copies the easiest available proofs to look important
lauda is the most dangerous to the average user of this forum to look important
lauda is for all the power and nothing else
lauda will slave all with a whip
others copy to impress lauda
become best thugs to gain rank and lauda protection

casualties in war
lauda has to go
all negative consiquence is worth lauda gone

nutildah- this is another one. he knows they are proven liars and trust abusers but continues to support them
get this snake on the list - disgusting fool pretends to have supported people like bruno in the past but now seems to have defected to want to support proven liars and trust abusers.

Cool, I made another list 

Chill out Super Wario. I already outlined for you my rationale why I added them.

I still support Bruno and I always will.

Since it offended your feelings so much (and was a largely inconsequential move to begin with), I took you off my precious tilde list. But after reading what you wrote about me, I should probably consider re-adding you.

Look don't pretend I did not already say this to your face in meta it's not like I am talking shit about you behind your back. I am not at all happy to see someone who was a keen supporter of bruno who highlighted and fought HUGE SCAMS not these little pesky scammers that just pop back up next day under new accounts. Who now turns to the total dark side and support liars that red trust people for telling the truth about them and who ~ bruno himself I notice.

You can not support proven liars and trust abusers on one hand (whom themselves ~ BRUNO) and support Bruno at the same time.

Anyway do as you wish, I understand it takes a lot of courage to do the right thing.

not just courage
it takes suicide to do the right thing

[gwsukabokepjepang]

lets throw off these clowns!

vote against them!!!

[BitcoinSupremo]

You can't win against abusers and by the way very few persons on DT are not trust abusers , this is a well known fact since 2016. I think you can spend your time more wisely rather than dealing with trust abusers. Just my two cents as a victim of trust abuse.

[cryptohunter]

You can't win against abusers and by the way very few persons on DT are not trust abusers , this is a well known fact since 2016. I think you can spend your time more wisely rather than dealing with trust abusers. Just my two cents as a victim of trust abuse.

We can certainly win. Never give up.

As the number of abused increases then a union can be formed.

We can push for an entire change of the system that permits and even enforces this abuse of honest members.


1. find the threads they post in.
2. present only on topic and relevant facts demonstrating their untrustworthy natures and provide evidence to invalidate their future abuse of others.

There are going to be more abused than abusers.

This must continue until the system itself is altered and criteria given that eliminates this subjective and selfishly motivated abuse of honest members.

This is just the start. Abusers will not stop abusing until it is taken out of their control.

We must be careful of .

1. real scammers and untrustworthy must never join our union and that we NEVER defend their actions.
2. we stick only to presentation of facts and observable events that are relevant and on topic.
3. We do not just think of ourselves. We will not permit abuse of any honest person here. We will speak up and defend this abuse where it is clear abuse is taking place.
4. Not giving up or giving into to their  threats and gang tactics.

This union should have one clear mandate.

Ensure that the same fair and honest treatment is applied to ALL members of this board.

[Thule]

Please add Timelord2067 to the abuse list.
He is making false tagging and also refuses to delete it instead is giving addiotional negative trust by simply copy past of old negative trust of other people

[H8bussesNbicycles]

You can't win against abusers and by the way very few persons on DT are not trust abusers , this is a well known fact since 2016. I think you can spend your time more wisely rather than dealing with trust abusers. Just my two cents as a victim of trust abuse.

we are winning against the abusers
have made many votes
you can help if you add this list yourself too @BitcoinSupremo
your defeatist attitude with no vote will lose
VOTE


pms keep rolling in
more list adders every day and updaters
new dt1 any day now
vote while you still can for this month

[cryptohunter]

Long post but perhaps worth a read for anyone feeling they too are victims of trust abuse and that it is quite astounding how others seems to sanction it here even the admin.


For this entire system to work as theymos wants it to work he made a fatal error with the 250 earned merits. Therefore handing total control from his own seemingly fair hands into the hands of a gang of quite ruthless and blatantly untrustworthy members that have demonstrated in the past in black and white what they really are.


This has allowed the proven cyclers (whom I believe are mostly dishonest ratbags anyway for cycling it and now further backed up by the fact nobody on DT1 will even look at the evidence of a lie and admit it is indeed a lie, I mean that is evident many times when I have challenged or asked them in public to review the evidence with me- can they not see how blatantly broken that makes DT look) to gain the immediate control of both merit and trust.

Theymos originally proposed 100 earned merit which was a sensible amount because as I have clearly illustrated once you remove the top 0.13% of the boards self awarded merits many lose around 60-90% of their earned merits and only a handful would have 250 making it very very centralised, and actually centralised to the same group that you can see are very "gang" like on every thread if one of them gets challenged. We could all name them here with ease. They are riddled in each others bpip fans and recipients and all include exclude in a gang on the DT lists.

You have to wonder who pushed him to the 250 earned merits and why he even considered it and did not (if he wanted to tighten it up a bit ) add in some kind of activity threshold. WTF is merit to do with trust is another debate anyway. Some of these DT have been here 5 mins compared to years and years of history if he had put an activity threshold and lowered the earned (cycled merits). This again seems illogical. Since having years of activity to review vs 5 mins is like an obvious blunder.

Anyway forget DT - merit is the key here. Without 2 members having 250 earned merits DT is a no go unless we can ask theymos to explain in public whom pushed him to 250 earned merits and why he believes that does not centralise it to the same group that observably gang up and are guilty of lying, trust abuse and other proven shady devious acts.

Theymos to me is not dirty or corrupt ( i mean what does he gain ..he just wants a nicely functioning forum right) but he takes almost a machine approach to things - lauda is possibly net useful (i don't agree) so he allows the proven collateral damage lauda causes along the way for the possibly greater good.

 For me that is a mistake because negative events that are viewed as completely unfair and unjust by the victims cause huge energies of negativity much much more even than people who get scammed by a shit Ico they likely knew was huge risk to start with. People will not accept moral judgements (often immoral) from someone whom is proven a liar and very shrouded in dirty deeds himself.  That will just create an atmosphere of double standards and unfairness that will rage on and on.

Failing that we need to locate merit sources that are fair and are also annoyed at the double standards and blatant dishonest of the DT1 clan. Point them toward posts that are made by fair and honest individuals that are worthy of merit.


Right now the only method to stop them is as I have previously suggested above. Whenever possible (ie on topic and relevant) present the facts of their untrustworthy ways and provable lies at them. Eventually it will spoil their party here. People whom are proven liars do not get to call other people liars without presenting evidence. People whom are proven sock puppet racist trolls sig spammers simply do not get to lecture to people for financially motivated posting without that fact being presented. Sorry that double standards dirt is not going to wash. Imagine jeffrey dahmer in his prime years telling you how evil you are and you need red trust for not being a vegetarian.


The risk is of course is  more red tags (they can give them at this time for presenting facts demonstrating their own wrongdoing with no comeback) and even a ban if they pressure mods and theymos enough with the complaints about being factually reminded on topic that they are scum bags FOR REAL. 

Of course you more than likely have many friends that can join and voice their new facts that you were banned for presenting on topic and relevant facts and observable events that demonstrated untrustworthy behaviour.  Then again what is a lost account or 2 in the fight for freedom of speech and freedom from these trust abusers and their supporters and will give more ammunition for the corruption argument.

Also I know it is frustrating to see such injustice towards honest members like ourselves that have done many great things for this community in the past .... however I am now approaching the task of getting these scumbags off DT or at the very least crushing their abilities to abuse other persons unanswered with a less aggressive style. I think it works better and allows them less opportunity to cast off facts and observable events as the fabrications or inventions of a raging aggressive member who needs to be avoided even if they do have facts of abuse to present.

Sorry for the long post but it is something for us to consider if we are really serious about bringing about a fairer system here.

[TheNewAnon135246]

You can't win against abusers and by the way very few persons on DT are not trust abusers , this is a well known fact since 2016. I think you can spend your time more wisely rather than dealing with trust abusers. Just my two cents as a victim of trust abuse.

we are winning against the abusers
have made many votes
you can help if you add this list yourself too @BitcoinSupremo
your defeatist attitude with no vote will lose
VOTE


pms keep rolling in
more list adders every day and updaters
new dt1 any day now
vote while you still can for this month

The army grows!

[Deena]

Theymos to me is not dirty or corrupt

To me he is. All the trust system and merit system designs were and are constructed to keep the scamming clique on top a the hierarchical ladder, even at the cost of the on this forum well cherised decentralisation. He's not a total idiot, is he? He can see the faul games that are being played on this forum. He's fully aware of it, no doubt. And he supports it to the full! He's got no principles and no integrity. Sad but true.

[Thule]

Theymos to me is not dirty or corrupt

To me he is. All the trust system and merit system designs were and are constructed to keep the scamming clique on top a the hierarchical ladder, even at the cost of the on this forum well cherised decentralisation. He's not a total idiot, is he? He can see the faul games that are being played on this forum. He's fully aware of it, no doubt. And he supports it to the full! He's got no principles and no integrity. Sad but true.

He is not dirty.He allowed to buy ad space for the special thread.I would claim myself he has not much experience in running big forums even he runs BCT since every owner which forum gets main stream has the same issues like BCT.
And its always the same what is happing.A small group (mainly losers) who are abusing the reputation system to gain massiv reputation in the community for only 3 purposes.
1)Milking the community
2)Destroying competition
3)Controlling their market and defaming anyone who is a threat.

I mean i'm working online fulltime since 1998 and have seen so many forums getting successfull and onces it goes mainstream these rats always come and try to take a big part of the cake.
I remember the marketing forum which is now the biggest online marketing forum in the world.I was a member there since 2007 (it was created 2006) and what happened is the owner changed and the forum went thanks to massiv marketing and its high quality content to the mainstream.Since noob flooded the forum people started selling their massivly overpriced marketing shit and every of these shit sellers tried to look like the biggest king who knows everything and has the biggest success where everyone of the senior knew these are just punks trying to milk the community.What they did is they created a reputation cycle and the reputation points started to explode.Normly people had to gain these points for really awesome posts.If you made an awesome post you got like 2-7 rep points depending on how good the thread was.
They instantly changed it and a single reputation vote of them was worth first 50 and later 100 reputation points.These fuckers had the highest reputation points and most amount of posts and thanks because of rehashed shit content they posted.
Its like a 1:1 copy with BCT.

And what happened at the end was that the abuse was so massiv so many old seniors got false banned that all seniors stopped posting on that forum.That forum turned completly into a noob forum cause seniors are not going to post for the benefit of a small group of punks.
Just have a look at that forum a few years ago you paid $100 for access to VIP Content produced by seniors.Today you pay $100 to support that forum since the content in the VIP Section is now worth shit.
The owner of that forum banned all of these abusers which later have been proofen there were in reputation cicle and made a lot of big scams where members mostly Buy/Sell/Trade members how been scammed out of big money and were all sitting calm because they knew once they say something they will lose their income.

How similar it is isn't it ?

[Thule]

How similar it is isn't it ?

It's hard to say. Are you a monumental moron on that forum as well? Do they have a rambling lunatic like cryptohunter?

They had a similar moron like you on that forum.

He was the so called "youtube" guru.
Made thousands of posts without real value had tons of reputations thanks to his buddies and sold crap services.

Since you are spending most of the time on that forum it must be benficial for you.Else i doubt you would be able to spend so much time here.
Based on your info it seems you live in a country with lower average income.
Would make sense to spend so much time here to create an online income.

Isn't it ?


Oh forgat to mention it.
He tried hard to get a Mod but never made it.
You know services of Mod's are highly trusted and increase massivly the demand.

[Thule]

Since you are spending most of the time on that forum it must be benficial for you.Else i doubt you would be able to spend so much time here.
Based on your info it seems you live in a country with lower average income.
Would make sense to spend so much time here to create an online income.

Isn't it ?

What are you babbling about? Post it in your native language, I bet Google Translate will make more sense.

Making money online is no shame.Its just about the way you get it.

[Thule]

You left my reply there for so long! Why delete it now?

Making money online is no shame.Its just about the way you get it.

And how does suchmoon get it?

which reply ?I haven't deleted anything

[cryptohunter]

Since you are spending most of the time on that forum it must be benficial for you.Else i doubt you would be able to spend so much time here.
Based on your info it seems you live in a country with lower average income.
Would make sense to spend so much time here to create an online income.

Isn't it ?

What are you babbling about? Post it in your native language, I bet Google Translate will make more sense.

Thule, don't let this  untrustworthy individual by his own definition/diagnosis bother you.

He supports proven liars on DT. I mean he even supports Tman --- enought said.

Calls me a lunatic but can not present anything that I have said that is incorrect. Whilst he has been demonstrated to make some of the most ludicrous statements ever and then stick by them even when given the opportunity to pretend it must be a typo or some other (meta board only) believable excuse.

You simply can not be nice or trust this person at all. I once tried to treat him with some respect and be nice to him but sadly that did not work out well it seemed to upset him even more and inspire more caustic treatment in return. He is like a lot of persons bullied in RL -- deeply damaged and upset. You can tell this by his posting style. He is mostly a very aggressive poster always ready to deride noobs and those he feels he can get away with it.

His English is more than reasonable hence why he is quite able to fool many that his posts contain some value. However once you pull them apart his mind is quite fragile and defensive. He will then often just break down and start spurting nonsense.

Best to not waste time on his bile. Immediately bitch slap him with observable truth that demonstrates his double standards and untrustworthy nature. Present the evidence of Lauda lying, then ask him to validate in public that evidence and that it clearly demonstrates a lie and untrustworthy behaviour then ask why he is supporting lauda on DT. Same for asking him in public to comment on his other inclusions like the pharmacist aka huge black woman and tman a self confessed trust abuser.

Keep in mind Suchmoon red trusts people for supporting/promoting "possible scams". Suchmoon himself meanwhile supports a proven liar, a self confessed trust abuser and a sneaky greedy racist trolling sock puppet user.  Then just offer to debate it all in public step by step before you can accept anything he says as truth and enter any other discussion or debate. Soon you will hear nothing more from suchmoon.

He targets the weak and tries to use the only tool at his disposal (reasonable command of English) coupled with his caustic tone and cherry picking "parts" of your post to mislead people into believing his arguments have some kind of substance. When that fails he just collapses into making ludicrous statements. I have often felt sorry for him and told him to have a rest and relax after a much heated demonstration of his mind collapsing from either fatigue or just some part of it is likely defective. I have genuinely worried about him in the past.

[stingers]

Sorry, for late support but I am also a victim of the trust abuse in the past. You can check my case on my trust feedback. It was a total harassment by DT and especially Lauda on me to put me down and out of this business.

A contribution from my side would be a bunch of merits, as per the discussion in this thread merit is one of the most important part to vote for the DT and change it. I have some smerits to award for all the trust abuse supportive here.

You need 10 earned merits to vote right?

I can provide you with that to be eligible for voting. Not many but some of the supportive and abused, Jr.member and newbies can vote because of my help which is an honour for me.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

Sorry, for late support but I am also a victim of the trust abuse in the past. You can check my case on my trust feedback. It was a total harassment by DT and especially Lauda on me to put me down and out of this business.


A contribution from my side would be a bunch of merits, as per the discussion in this thread merit is one of the most important part to vote for the DT and change it. I have some smerits to award for all the trust abuse supportive here.

You need 10 earned merits to vote right?

I can provide you with that to be eligible for voting. Not many but some of the supportive and abused, Jr.member and newbies can vote because of my help which is an honour for me.

very honorable stingers thank you i will not forget you


as the creator of this thread i am starting this cause and need 5more merit to have a vote
deena needs 2 more merit only for another vote


if you would like to contribute merit to the effort here is a good list

Deena is Trusted by:
Thule (20 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
endlasuresh (3 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
DutchFinity (2 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Danica22 (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
ac2eugenio (1 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
mr.creampie (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
chickinini (11 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
cryptorgasm (4 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
TinaMoran (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Pablojob (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
PiningGarcia (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
PingGermoco (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NilaMutac (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
cryptopov (4 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
poypototoy (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
BRAHN (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Zin-Zang (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
H8bussesNbicycles (5 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
gwsukabokepjepang (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)

those profile links at link = https://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/1316028.html

under "Deena is Trusted by:"



if you could round some of those up to the next multiple of 10 would support this effort




or here = https://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/101872.html

you can find some users to round up to 10 merit in the right areas

The army grows!

Thank you for pointing this out bud, I would award some merits to all the members in this army!  

fucking decent




stingers added to list

The army grows!

where is peloso?

on the list

[H8bussesNbicycles]

if you could round some of those up to the next multiple of 10 would support this effort

To make this work you're gonna need a couple of 250-merit accounts. And you don't need more than eight 10-merit votes for each pair of 250-merit votes. But don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy watching how you morons waste your merits in this scheme.

dont know how trust system work ?
many on list have 250 merit votes but need 10s



more 250s will come or i will buy them

[stingers]

To make this work you're gonna need at least a couple of 250-merit accounts. And you don't need more than eight 10-merit votes for each pair of 250-merit votes. But don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy watching how you morons waste your merits in this scheme.

Are you afraid anyone will get there very soon and put all of you lauda ass-lickers down ?

I can feel your fear by the way!

stingers added to list

Its a pleasure!

[stingers]

No, not a single user in your army of miscreants has 250 earned merits. If you had any you'd have them hooked up to your trust lists already because the "election" could happen any minute now. You have ~20 or so 10-merit votes and you're gonna waste them all. Good show, will watch again.

Nice to hear you take this as an entertaining show about the abusive behavior you personally support in these days.

Only this sentence of yours show's that you want to have control of the trust system and you know most of the people are ass lickers here and afraid to speak against your abusive activities.

You should not worry anyway as this will surely stop when theymos realizes you're manipulative tack-ticks on trust.

Yeah, I'm quaking in my boots. Please aim between the eyes and make my suffering short. Thank you.

I would be very happy to do so.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

You have ~20 or so 10-merit votes

Nice to hear

very nice
will push a couople of the list to dt1 surely
not bad start for few days


may fundraise for 250 votes if need


clean merits expensive
dirty merits cheap

[LoyceV]

if you would like to contribute merit to the effort here is a good list

Deena is Trusted by:
Thule (20 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
endlasuresh (3 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
DutchFinity (2 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Danica22 (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
ac2eugenio (1 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
mr.creampie (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
chickinini (11 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
cryptorgasm (4 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
TinaMoran (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Pablojob (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
PiningGarcia (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
PingGermoco (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NilaMutac (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
cryptopov (4 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
poypototoy (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
BRAHN (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Zin-Zang (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
H8bussesNbicycles (5 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
gwsukabokepjepang (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)

those profile links at link = https://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/1316028.html

under "Deena is Trusted by:"

At least you appreciate the work I did It's not exactly how I imagined it to be used, but hey, it's something
But you're not using it's full potential: I've added a link to BBCode for posting here. Don't forget to include the reference link though (it's at the bottom), I'd hate to get you banned.

Trust list for: Deena (37 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (BPIP)
Back to index (created 2019-02-03 Sun 00.08h)

Deena is Trusted by:
Thule (20 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
endlasuresh (3 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
DutchFinity (2 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Danica22 (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
ac2eugenio (1 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
mr.creampie (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
chickinini (11 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
cryptorgasm (4 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
TinaMoran (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Pablojob (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
PiningGarcia (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
PingGermoco (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NilaMutac (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
cryptopov (4 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
poypototoy (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
BRAHN (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Zin-Zang (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
H8bussesNbicycles (5 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
gwsukabokepjepang (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other doesn't trust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust

I don't get why I'm on your list though. I'm Switzerland

[Rambotnic]

Wake up people, no one care what the bitcointalk community want but only what the "Mafia" of very few people.
This is not people forum, this is forum controlled by few people who do not care about you but your money.
If you trying to earn money by the way they do not like, no matter it is legal, you are out.
If you don't agree with them, you are out.
If you don't meet the criteria of being cock sucker of those people, you are out.
Our words means nothing.
After 10 years of existing, this forum do not own official rules.
And even those DT members do not respect the unofficial rules also.
Why any of you think someone care what we say?
Censorship, control, abuse.
Its been since ages, wake up...

[Bazinga442]

The army grows!

Lol, this made my day. Thank you!

BTW, are signatures allowed for this type of thing? I will gladly pay for a set if folks will wear them without fear. Hopefully, they can help spread the word about this thread and the vile chancers ruining this forum.

Any interested and competent signature designers reading this can pm me with their samples and price. Don't mind the fake ratings on my trust, but if it bothers you, I'll go 1st if you're "trusted" or we use an escrow.

[cryptohunter]

Wake up people, no one care what the bitcointalk community want but only what the "Mafia" of very few people.
This is not people forum, this is forum controlled by few people who do not care about you but your money.
If you trying to earn money by the way they do not like, no matter it is legal, you are out.
If you don't agree with them, you are out.
If you don't meet the criteria of being cock sucker of those people, you are out.
Our words means nothing.
After 10 years of existing, this forum do not own official rules.
And even those DT members do not respect the unofficial rules also.
Why any of you think someone care what we say?
Censorship, control, abuse.
Its been since ages, wake up...

Don't be negative. Force of numbers can crush a small group of abusers.  

Read this to see what can be done without DT members to project you.

DT is but one tool.
On topic relevant facts regarding their wrongdoing can be presented over and over until they realise posting here their double standards bullshit is not going to wash any longer. Their days of punishing people for the same shit they have pulled in public is going to be rubbed in their faces until they get sick and tired of this board being plastered with the ill deeds over and over.

They can reverse our trust abuse else they can enjoy a torrent of their own proven misdeeds presented to them over and over a critical mass of people realise DT members are not to be trusted themselves. I mean I am sorry but if you do not want evidence of your wrong doing presented then don't do wrong. It is quite simple reverse your abuse then you will have no reason to fear the truth.

If any of you persons that have been genuinely trust abused are refused entry to a sig campaign on the basis of that abuse, next we will advise that campaign manager and that entire project of what its actions actually say about that project.

 It is quite simple, that if the campaign manager or the project itself sides with untrustworthy abusers against honest members that project is now therefore operated by untrustworthy persons. I mean who else would side with proven liars, trust abusers and other shady dealings over honest members who are victims??

We will use the union to demonstrate these facts and alert investors to the morals of the project manager or the project itself. Would you want to risk investing with a project that sides with abusers and liars over honest persons? Sounds very risky to me.

I don't really use signatures other than to promote persons projects who I like or projects I actually believe in so it is not a big issue for me but those that want to join a sig campaign and are refused on the basis of a CLEAR abuse of trust then the union should therefore help demonstrate to that project that the person is honest and is the victim of abuse and therefore should be allowed entry.

If not then that is discrimination on untrustworthy and corrupt grounds.

The systems of control are out of control. Time to use force of numbers to bring some fairness and honesty to the board.

Also any of those trust abusers where we can PROVE dishonest and untrustworthy behaviour. Watch which projects they are involved with and alert this forming union. It is the duty of any honest individual to alert the project and the investors to potential dangers of becoming engaged or entangled with any project that calls on the services of PROVEN untrustworthy individuals.  Be very careful though to stick to what can be proven so we do not make any false allegations.

It is up to them. Remove the CLEAR red trust abuse if you know you have made it or else you will correctly and fairly be demonstrated to be abusers and any proven untrustworthy and dishonest behaviour will be highlighted to any project or investors you become involved with.

I say again though the only way that the union can be damaged is to be seen to protect or defend real scammers or untrustworthy persons here. We must ensure they are never defended or aided by all of us that will join to fight trust abuse.

Think about this post it has far reaching implications for these proven untrustworthy persons. We have a lot of leverage here to ensure fair and honest treatment of all individuals on this board.

I am on vacation but there are plenty of smart guys here getting abused. Lots of leverage here outside of DT and merit. They control those so yes we will do what we can to gain fair access to the systems of control so they can be used fairly and honestly with regard to all members but at the same time there is much more powerful leverage here to be used.

[Thule]

My avatar not the highest one but at least my name is the boldest one.  

I would call it funny wouldn't i see the missuss of ill people by degenerates.

Making fun of other people illness is not something i support.

[cryptohunter]

My avatar not the highest one but at least my name is the boldest one.  

I would call it funny wouldn't i see the missuss of ill people by degenerates.

Making fun of other people illness is not something i support.

Well I would not worry about that. This just demonstrates further that these people should be removed from positions of trust and also any persons or projects employing such individuals are now also going to be tainted by their actions.

That would be very worrying for me as a project owner or manager that people such as this are tainting the image of my project.

This should immediately become our next focus.

Remove the trust abuse, else it is our duty to present proven facts demonstrating lies, and other untrustworthy deeds to the projects they are involved with and if they are seen to condone this by not removing them then the projects themselves can be seen as untrustworthy.

This is simply a case of if you are proven untrustworthy and dishonestly are abusing honest members then you need to reverse these wrong deeds or else this it is the duty of any honest member to present the facts that you are dishonest to any projects and the investors of those projects that you are involved with.

This is why politicians step down  and CEOs step down because at the end of the day when a persons actions start to negatively reflect on the image of the company or party then that person will find they are shunned and made a pariah and correctly so.

Perhaps it is the projects that support these abusers financially that we need to ALERT first? and help them ensure they are doing the correct and best thing they can for their investors with regard employing untrustworthy individuals.

If they resist then that is a worrying sign that these projects and companies are willingly employing proven untrustworthy persons??

[Thule]

if you could round some of those up to the next multiple of 10 would support this effort

To make this work you're gonna need at least a couple of 250-merit accounts. And you don't need more than eight 10-merit votes for each pair of 250-merit votes. But don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy watching how you morons waste your merits in this scheme.

dont know how trust system work ?
many on list have 250 merit votes but need 10s

more 250s will come or i will buy them

No, not a single user in your army of miscreants has 250 earned merits. If you had any you'd have them hooked up to your trust lists already because the "election" could happen any minute now. You have ~20 or so 10-merit votes and you're gonna waste them all. Good show, will watch again.

Are you afraid anyone will get there very soon and put all of you lauda ass-lickers down ?

I can feel your fear by the way!

Yeah, I'm quaking in my boots. Please aim between the eyes and make my suffering short. Thank you.

suchmoon you need to understand.Its not our fulltime time job to sit on this forum.
We come slowly but we come.No rush needed.

Here a small anecdote for you from an old known movie i liked when i was a kid.

Son and daddy bull standing on a hill see below a herd of cows.
Son says to dad bull :Daddy daddy let's run down and fuck a cow we catch.

Daddy bull answers : No son we get slowly down and fuck them all !


Wish everyone a nice day as i have some more work to do today.


Btw suchmoon did i mentioned i got a PM from somebody offering to sell me your doxx ?
I just made s very short digging.
How many accounts do you got ?

Gleb Gamow
21000 posts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=349097

[cryptohunter]

if you could round some of those up to the next multiple of 10 would support this effort

To make this work you're gonna need at least a couple of 250-merit accounts. And you don't need more than eight 10-merit votes for each pair of 250-merit votes. But don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy watching how you morons waste your merits in this scheme.

dont know how trust system work ?
many on list have 250 merit votes but need 10s

more 250s will come or i will buy them

No, not a single user in your army of miscreants has 250 earned merits. If you had any you'd have them hooked up to your trust lists already because the "election" could happen any minute now. You have ~20 or so 10-merit votes and you're gonna waste them all. Good show, will watch again.

Are you afraid anyone will get there very soon and put all of you lauda ass-lickers down ?

I can feel your fear by the way!

Yeah, I'm quaking in my boots. Please aim between the eyes and make my suffering short. Thank you.

Boasting that you are hiding behind a proven cycled bunch of subjective and misleading junk pile of merits from pals is only making it worse for you and demonstrating that system is broken and needs fixing or abolishing.

Getting on DT is just a secondary bonus it is not even required. It is time to proceed with the honest duties I have described in my prior 2 posts here. This is far more effect than counter red strikes on DT. Although I am sure as time goes on those will take place too until the forum is a place where trust abuse no longer takes place unanswered

I sense you are getting upset suchmoon. Go have a rest this is just the start. You know you will end up saying something even more stupid than usual if you keep being stressed out for long periods. You know I worry about you.

[Thule]

@suchmoon a lot of dirt you got.

Now i understand why you support Lauda.




@SUCHMOON

DID YOU PAID Brunos loan default and BOUGHT THE GLEM ACCOUNT in June 2018 ?

Am asking cause i can't understand how else it would switch ownership in June 2018 where Bruno officaly said that this account belongs to him.
DID YOU ACTIVLY BOUGHT AN ACCOUNT ?

I mean i got tagged for trying to buy an account in 2017 and you bought one in june 2018.


Now have a look how suchmoon is defending Bruno against global moderators who clearly see that Gleb is not Bruno posting this as feedback comment

Unless there is any proof that this account is not under Brunos control the neg rating by hilourosandco appears to be based on an incorrect assumption and should be ignored along with this rating

Wow suchmoon you defend Bruno with a claim which you don't use when giving false feedbacks to other members ?

DarkStar_ tagged Gleb account because the Gage account was the collateral so he knew if he were to tag Gage account then there goes the collateral, you are also asking for negative feedbacks to be removed now for a few times because Gleb is in your hands and as long as it has negative trust it wont worth a buck.
You are trying to side with an account seller while you have been against such behavior yourself.

As long as you don't suddenly change your mind and give Gleb and his other alts positive trust to say what a good guy he is, I'm fine with it and everybody else is also fine with it other than suchmoon, what you should know is that suchmoon is the one who paid the loan and took Gleb account as collateral in exchange for $600, so she would do anything to restore the said accounts reputations in order to get back her money which is lost forever now.

I wonder what would suchmoon do if her bought accounts are tagged as an account dealer and not a loan defaulter? also where is the usual hypocrite a.k.a The Pharmacist? he's not here to tag these accounts but only he tags people in no position of power or influence. facking hypocrite.

Two different accounts, two different deals. I control the Gleb Gamow account (my own deal with Bruno), I never touched the Phinnaeus Gage account (DarkStar_'s deal with Bruno).

So you admitted buying that account in june 2018

@DT members where is the tagging ?Double standards again ?

[Thule]

So you admitted buying that account in june 2018

@DT members where is the tagging ?Double standards again ?

What was suchmoon's intent for buying the account?
What are most users' intentions for buying accounts?

Examine the dichotomy, please.

Ohhh what was the intention ?I guess giving free money ($600) to someone for an account he/she can't use and thats why he/she fought so hard to get all the negative taggs removed. /irony off

Funny i never saw you asking me for what purpose i tried to buy an account.

DOUBLE STANDARDS YOU FAGGOT


Oh SORRY !!!!! I forgat i told you the reason i tried to buy an account so a friend would be able to add images on his service thread.But you faggot didn't care

[Thule]

I read the thread and its clear It was a private deal between suchmoon and Bruno for paying his debt and receiving back his other alt.

Even suchmoon fighting to get all the red taggs away was such a laugh to read.

Argumenting that debt is paid there is no reason for a red tagg.No there isn't even somebody tried to sell that account to pay his debt.

Ohhh i forgat now its allowed to offer accounts for sale if you try to pay your debt with it.

Maybe people should not sell accounts directly but indirectly claiming to sell these accounts on private deals to pay their debt.


DOUBLE STANDARD AT ITS FINEST


People should tagg suchmoons alt which was sold by Bruno to suchmoon for $600 .Account sales are discouraged on BCT and lead instantly to red trust

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=349097

Interesting. And the best method, in your eyes, was to spend more funds than necessary. Instead of posting the service thread yourself, or obtaining a copper membership, or having someone else post the service thread...

You fucking moron at least check for what you are tagging.You tagged a try for an account buy back in 2017.There were no copper memberships.
And asking other people to add images and update it makes completly no sense since you will be always held responsible for that account you have no conrol about or know its full history.
The account offered at that time was

No loans, No scams, No hacks, Clean Account

.Ideal for a neutral image posting account.

How quaint. Do you want to spell out why you were buying an account, then? Was it to perhaps prevent the sold account from scamming? You hero.

HA HA HA HA who is going to belive in that shit that suchmoon spending $600 of his own money for a legandary account and removes all its negative taggs just to remove an account which maybe could be used for scams. LOL

Yeah sure funny suchmoon is not buying all accounts.What a samerita.

@actmyname

You are a pisshead and your argumentation are for dumb people.Anyone beliving in that crap must have an IQ like 60.
Even you have no high IQ if you are only able to make up such stupid argumentation


You know cryptohunter is right.Its time to go activly to your escrow thread and inform anyone there that you are a scam escrow who supports account sales and being used as collateral which proof is this thread

[Thule]

You do realize that $600 was like 0.1 BTC at the time? The red tags I was concerned about were Bruno's, not mine. I wanted him to be able to use the Gage account in a sig campaign and that obviously didn't work out.

So you activly worked on it that Bruno's red taggs get deleted even he tried to sell a legandary account in 2018?
You are a hyprocat .Giving everyone who tries to buy or sell an account negative feedback since 2017 and if there is a benefit for you you jump in and safe his reputation even there is full evidence he tried to sell a legendary to shitposters.
Makes total sense

No, I didn't. It was pretty much the opposite - preventing that account from getting into the hands of a shitposting/scamming account buyer.

Tagging that account from all DT members would be enough to make it worthless so everyone would know its a bought account.There was no need to pay $600 for that account.

[Thule]

Your double standards just have been proofed and the abuse of the trust feedback by you

The $600 was not a payment for the account, which I had no need for. Can't expect a sockpuppeting scammer to understand that of course.

No it was to pay out the debt 0.13B .
If you get the Glem account after paying Brunos debt its clearly a deal to get that account once you pay his debt.


No matter what you got a new account where a payment was involved.If directly or indirectly doesn't matter.

Can't expect a sockpuppeting scammer

Oh the personal attacks begin again ?No more arguments when facts about you are being presented ?
A DT calling me a scammer but being such a dick unable to show me even a single person i have scammed during the 7 years on this forum.
Your input is like always high quality /irony off

Case in point. "PM from somebody" LOL. Whatever justification of your vendetta makes you feel better.

Let's see what kind of information we will get

[sirazimuth]

......
We come slowly but we come.No rush needed.
......

There’s a joke in there somewhere.....

[LoyceV]

I'm just leaving this here:

- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm disappointed in the reaction to this post. Although H8bussesNbicycles is perhaps not particularly trustworthy for other reasons, the reasons many people gave for neg-trusting him are inappropriate. You can argue that what he's advocating is bad on a utilitarian level, but he would disagree, and his advocacy of a certain Trust philosophy doesn't by itself mean that he's an untrustworthy person. DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.

(read the full post!)

[ac2eugenio]

I just wanted to try out some new trust features,but what did i get ?redtrust by just customizing my own trustlist,even theymos was excluded few days ago.Does it mean trust is being controlled by these DT members? if you dont want to be painted dont to exclude the Godly DT's here.This looks like politics,not conspiracy to me between i strongly agree that my red trust is inapproriate .Who are these people to control which people you wanted to exlude/include to your list?doesnt make sense.

Its like senatorial elections thus the voting machines are getting tapped by those with the power to do that so they will remain with their position.

[OgNasty]

Damn...  You really got flamed for your opinion here.  I guess if you aren't part of the "Cult of Lauda" (what they're calling themselves now) then you aren't allowed to have an opinion about other people's trust lists.  Only the "Cult of Lauda" is allowed to publicly post trust suggestions without retaliation.  While it is admirable to point out their abuse of the trust network as they try and undermine what theymos is trying to accomplish, allowing them to continue to rack up 'violations' of the system will only benefit the end goal of having them permanently blacklisted.

I'm just wondering who is going to be blacklisted first...  I would have thought for sure TMAN, but now Lauda is throwing his hat in the ring.

I'm just leaving this here:

- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm disappointed in the reaction to this post.

That's how most of us likely found our way here...

[ac2eugenio]

Damn...  You really got flamed for your opinion here.  I guess if you aren't part of the "Cult of Lauda" (what they're calling themselves now) then you aren't allowed to have an opinion about other people's trust lists.  Only the "Cult of Lauda" is allowed to publicly post trust suggestions without retaliation.  While it is admirable to point out their abuse of the trust network as they try and undermine what theymos is trying to accomplish, allowing them to continue to rack up 'violations' of the system will only benefit the end goal of having them permanently blacklisted.

I'm just wondering who is going to be blacklisted first...  I would have thought for sure TMAN, but now Lauda is throwing his hat in the ring.

I'm just leaving this here:

- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm disappointed in the reaction to this post.

That's how most of us likely found our way here...

I would rather be accused a criminal than be part of that cult.They are enjoying the days with trust system but im sure something will happen if Theymos reconstruct how the forum works.We should have atleast one big poll asking which DTmembers should be blacklisted numbers wont lie,if they are good as you OgNasty they wont be removed.I just supported someone with good advocate and i immediately got negative trust funny asf.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

Damn...  You really got flamed for your opinion here.  I guess if you aren't part of the "Cult of Lauda" (what they're calling themselves now) then you aren't allowed to have an opinion about other people's trust lists.  Only the "Cult of Lauda" is allowed to publicly post trust suggestions without retaliation.  While it is admirable to point out their abuse of the trust network as they try and undermine what theymos is trying to accomplish

yes
 i am hoping to reach -9999 trust for my opinion 
too bad theymos's word will probably cause some to be removed so i will have to find more ways for my opinion to offend the cult into leaving me negative trust
when this started they though negative trust affected me


i would explain my true reasoning why to remove lauda and some lesser cult members but to do that could pinpoint me (ognasty i will send you a pm)
it has nothing to do with scammers
fuck scammers and fuck idiots stupid enough to fall for scammers too


i know my list has some bad users on it and excludes some good users in collateral damage that i am not proud of but the war to remove lauda is worth the sacrifice
please i beg good users excluded on my list to remove lauda so you do not have to go down in this war


think
i am smart enough and educated enough about bitcointalk to create this masterful piece of work to fight evil here dont you think i could pull off a hell of a scam if i wanted to ?


if i wanted to scam i could easily do it
i know how this place works
the ins and outs and what can be done
here i am fighting for morality
fighting for the good of this forum and am sorry for the casualties but lauda and likeminded have to go

[H8bussesNbicycles]

Is stingers still a merit source?

Not anymore. That's clear abuse, awarding merit for political reasons rather than any idea of quality. Only because he was a source, I effectively undid those merit sends. If he had not been a merit source, I still would've blacklisted anyone who got into DT1 through that type of shenanigans.

Well, it appears that this movement will have to come up with a different strategy. Enlisting a merit source does not appear to be the way to go. Good luck.
If you want merits, better hope to find an audience who legitimately appreciates what you have to write. The OP definitely has a few fans. 

doing better than your average newbie and not even rimjobing sources

[Thule]

Is stingers still a merit source?

Not anymore. That's clear abuse, awarding merit for political reasons rather than any idea of quality. Only because he was a source, I effectively undid those merit sends. If he had not been a merit source, I still would've blacklisted anyone who got into DT1 through that type of shenanigans.

Well, it appears that this movement will have to come up with a different strategy. Enlisting a merit source does not appear to be the way to go. Good luck.
If you want merits, better hope to find an audience who legitimately appreciates what you have to write. The OP definitely has a few fans.  

There are other supporters who have already 250 merits.
These DT abusers can't push new alts as quickly into DT as we are groing.
Like i said just a matter of time.
And in my opinion theymos will allow in the end to give people you support merit to equal the imbalance some DT members have created

Also you should read cryptohunters post.He already showed another possibility.

[OgNasty]

Check out the latest trust rating Lauda has left me. 



The reference thread takes you to a complaint from minifrij where he was upset that I pointed out he removes/replaces feedback when he doesn't get his way.  Today I also pointed out that Lauda has engaged in this same behavior against user rmcdermott927 on this forum.  Anybody know how me pointing out that minifrij is attempting to bully me into removing my feedback by misusing the trust network equates to me being a scammer?  How does this fit into a reasonable DefaultTrust network rating?

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

I've got a popular escrow service on this site, am the OP of a longstanding community organization as well as a proof of concept Green Energy Project, sell lots of different products, & regularly try to help newbies with their issues here.  Is it right that guests should no longer be able to view my posts because I stood up to the bullying of Lauda & friends?


EVIDENCE OF LAUDA BULLYING RMCDERMOTT927
Are we seeing a pattern yet with these users?


8/23/18: Lauda left this retaliatory trust rating:


10/06/18: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


01/15/19: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:

[Quickseller]

Check out the latest trust rating Lauda has left me.



The reference thread takes you to a complaint from minifrij where he was upset that I pointed out he removes/replaces feedback when he doesn't get his way.  Today I also pointed out that Lauda has engaged in this same behavior against user rmcdermott927 on this forum.  Anybody know how me pointing out that minifrij is attempting to bully me by misusing the trust network equates to me being a scammer?  How does this fit into a reasonable DefaultTrust network rating? 

It is no secret that Lauda routinely gives negative ratings in order to silence criticism of him and his associates.

[Bazinga442]

god has spoken 

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

In particular, in my view:
 - Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
 - Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
 - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
 - It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm disappointed in the reaction to this post. Although H8bussesNbicycles is perhaps not particularly trustworthy for other reasons, the reasons many people gave for neg-trusting him are inappropriate. You can argue that what he's advocating is bad on a utilitarian level, but he would disagree, and his advocacy of a certain Trust philosophy doesn't by itself mean that he's an untrustworthy person. DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.
 
I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved, but if a culture somewhat compatible with my views does not eventually develop, then I will consider this more freeform DT selection to be a failure, and I'll probably get rid of it in favor of enforcing custom trust lists.

any takers?

BTW, are signatures allowed for this type of thing? I will gladly pay for a set if folks will wear them without fear. Hopefully, they can help spread the word about this thread and the vile chancers ruining this forum.

Any interested and competent signature designers reading this can pm me with their samples and price. Don't mind the fake ratings on my trust, but if it bothers you, I'll go 1st if you're "trusted" or we use an escrow.

About meriting, surely, it wouldn't be considered manipulation if awarded to good posts, regardless of whether the poster is an "undesirable"? In this case a thread like this would suffice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0 - where posters can report good unmerited post and anybody can merit them if they choose to.

[Deena]

About meriting, surely, it wouldn't be considered manipulation if awarded to good posts, regardless of whether the poster is an "undesirable"? In this case a thread like this would suffice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0 - where posters can report good unmerited post and anybody can merit them if they choose to.

The moderators already started to (anonymously) de-merit us.

[Bazinga442]

About meriting, surely, it wouldn't be considered manipulation if awarded to good posts, regardless of whether the poster is an "undesirable"? In this case a thread like this would suffice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0 - where posters can report good unmerited post and anybody can merit them if they choose to.

The moderators already started to (anonymously) de-merit us.

Nah, that was theymos throwing them dogs a bone.

Is stingers still a merit source?

Not anymore. That's clear abuse, awarding merit for political reasons rather than any idea of quality. Only because he was a source, I effectively undid those merit sends. If he had not been a merit source, I still would've blacklisted anyone who got into DT1 through that type of shenanigans.

I hadn't read into the thread deeply enough to see that stuff. Those are better arguments against the trustworthiness of H8bussesNbicycles & co., but note that the current negative-trust-ratings were sent long before that. Before February, the thread looks like politics to me.

[Deena]

Come on, do you really think that Bitcointalk staff is conspiring against you?

Definately not against little me. But for the scamming clique is thinkable.

Nah, that was theymos giving the dogs a bone.

Is stingers still a merit source?

Not anymore. That's clear abuse, awarding merit for political reasons rather than any idea of quality. Only because he was a source, I effectively undid those merit sends. If he had not been a merit source, I still would've blacklisted anyone who got into DT1 through that type of shenanigans.

I hadn't read into the thread deeply enough to see that stuff. Those are better arguments against the trustworthiness of H8bussesNbicycles & co., but note that the current negative-trust-ratings were sent long before that. Before February, the thread looks like politics to me.

So now the overlord is interfering with his own setup systems because they don't do what he likes? [sarcasm]What a decentralized and democratic forum this is indeed. [/sarcasm]

[Bazinga442]

So now the overlord is interfering with his own setup systems because they don't do what he likes? [sarcasm]What a decentralized and democratic forum this is indeed. [/sarcasm]

Don't sweat it, god don't always get it right. After all, s/he created Satan and this shitty world  
Laters! signing off humming to Joan Osborne's - what if god was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?...

[Thule]

What i accuse theymos is he is very often acting one sided in favour of the cult.

I mean we provided so many evidences of their merit abuse like giving 50 mertis for totaly shitposts,bounty threads, or even a 2 word reply
and theymos did nothing.
These DT members have abused the merit system for months were regular user didn't care about merits since they have no intention to sell something on this board or would even care about merit.
I mean even the most merit these DT members have are not from quality posts at all.Somebody can point me to a single quality post of TMAN or Vod as example ?
They got their merit for their actions to tagg someone.To attack a questionable person or project and there was nothing about any quality post.

And when somebody like stinger support our actions it instantly gets removed.

@Theymos why don't you remove all the merits from current DT members who mainly got them from people supporting their actions and not the quality of posts ?
I mean they even openly admitted in the past to merit people for their actions.
You want me to show you how they merited even on Meta when defaming people with shitposts ?You call that the idea of quality ?
So if i support Lauda's abuse and send merits to his abuse threads its ok.But if somebody sends us merits to support our anti abuse thread its not ok.
You wanna tell me Lauda and its cult is not using these merits to manifest their position on this forum?

Why do you create such a heavy imbalance ?

You demand from your current DT members WAY WAY less than you demand from regular member who wants abusers out of the DT system.

Just have a look here 77 merits for his action or do you call this a quality post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105303.0

2 more videos supporting the cult and this 1 month old account will be in DT1

But i guess that will be well deserved?

[Bazinga442]

Just have a look here 77 merits for his action or do you call this a quality post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105303.0

2 more videos supporting the cult and this 1 month old account will be in DT1

But i guess that will be well deserved?

It is a witch hunt! There is NO COLLUSION!

[ac2eugenio]

Check out the latest trust rating Lauda has left me.  



The reference thread takes you to a complaint from minifrij where he was upset that I pointed out he removes/replaces feedback when he doesn't get his way.  Today I also pointed out that Lauda has engaged in this same behavior against user rmcdermott927 on this forum.  Anybody know how me pointing out that minifrij is attempting to bully me into removing my feedback by misusing the trust network equates to me being a scammer?  How does this fit into a reasonable DefaultTrust network rating?

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

I've got a popular escrow service on this site, am the OP of a longstanding community organization as well as a proof of concept Green Energy Project, sell lots of different products, & regularly try to help newbies with their issues here.  Is it right that guests should no longer be able to view my posts because I stood up to the bullying of Lauda & friends?


EVIDENCE OF LAUDA BULLYING RMCDERMOTT927
Are we seeing a pattern yet with these users?


8/23/18: Lauda left this retaliatory trust rating:


10/06/18: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


01/15/19: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:

LOL..her dog has given me redtrust for conspiring with you guys,what else can you expect to these abusers?  they are going to silence everyone that has gotten their way @Theymos you should listen to the people,we are not the only ones who wants to take these cult down theres a lot but we are the only ones who are brave to do it because they dont want to get red tagged here.Trust system is the main reason why most of the people quits after these abusers gave them inappropriate reds..

[Thule]

Which is more important in your endeavor, a net-positive outcome for the forum and community, or removing Lauda from DT?
Taking a look through all of the people you're seeking to exclude, you're going to be doing a LOT of damage if you are successful. I'm just wondering if you believe the ends justify the means?

They don't give a shit about Lauda or anyone. They just want to get rid of their red trust so that they could go on scamming.

You still didn't showed me a single person even i asked 100 times for it.
If you make such claims at least show us who i scammed

[OgNasty]

Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed.

What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at everyone, at theymos at me; theymos can blacklist me, can blacklist everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar.

You copy/pasted your trust on rmcdermott927. You didn’t rewrite anything. You are the liar, not rmcdermott927. Anyone who reads your statement and looks at my post can see that.

10/06/18: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


01/15/19: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:

Check out his latest caught in a lie moment they’re now desperately trying to bury.

[Bazinga442]

Which is more important in your endeavor, a net-positive outcome for the forum and community, or removing Lauda from DT?
Taking a look through all of the people you're seeking to exclude, you're going to be doing a LOT of damage if you are successful. I'm just wondering if you believe the ends justify the means?

They don't give a shit about Lauda or anyone. They just want to get rid of their red trust so that they could go on scamming.

You’re wrong, I want only Lauda’s head. And I am not a scammer, show me where I scammed anyone? Your trust ratings are lies just to spite, but I don’t care a jot as I am not here to trade or for any financial gain. In fact, I revel in it as it means I can speak my truth.

If and when I need an account or 2 to show "trustworthiness", creating one that kisses DT ass for trust and merit is the surest and easier method to do it. The same corrupt clowns that left me negatives here would be full of praises then.

[cryptohunter]

Which is more important in your endeavor, a net-positive outcome for the forum and community, or removing Lauda from DT?
Taking a look through all of the people you're seeking to exclude, you're going to be doing a LOT of damage if you are successful. I'm just wondering if you believe the ends justify the means?

They don't give a shit about Lauda or anyone. They just want to get rid of their red trust so that they could go on scamming.

Proof of scam please.
Blatant lies are not acceptable.
It is so strange that lauda continues to accuse people of lying although he is a proven liar. Huge Black Woman aka the pharmacist continues to lecture on financially motivated shit posting although he got busted hard for sneaky greedy racist troll spamming under a sock puppet?

Are these people really fucked up or do they think people are going to stand for this hypocrisy and double standards?

Most of DT sadly need to be removed. If you see wrongdoing and are in a position to do something about it but choose not to - - then you have no place on DT.

DT members are actually refusing to look at evidence and proof  that demonstrate wrong doing of other DT members. They are in public refusing to even look at the evidence because they say they choose not to get involved.

Red tags are for issues directly related to trading and scams. Not to be used to silence people and try to crush freedom of speech on this board.

[ac2eugenio]

Which is more important in your endeavor, a net-positive outcome for the forum and community, or removing Lauda from DT?
Taking a look through all of the people you're seeking to exclude, you're going to be doing a LOT of damage if you are successful. I'm just wondering if you believe the ends justify the means?

They don't give a shit about Lauda or anyone. They just want to get rid of their red trust so that they could go on scamming.

Proof of scam please.
Blatant lies are not acceptable.
It is so strange that lauda continues to accuse people of lying although he is a proven liar. Huge Black Woman aka the pharmacist continues to lecture on financially motivated shit posting although he got busted hard for sneaky greedy racist troll spamming under a sock puppet?

Are these people really fucked up or do they think people are going to stand for this hypocrisy and double standards?

Most of DT sadly need to be removed. If you see wrongdoing and are in a position to do something about it but choose not to - - then you have no place on DT.

DT members are actually refusing to look at evidence and proof  that demonstrate wrong doing of other DT members. They are in public refusing to even look at the evidence because they say they choose not to get involved.

Red tags are for issues directly related to trading and scams. Not to be used to silence people and try to crush freedom of speech on this board.

So that they could go on scamming? look at my fucking red tag...did i scam?? FUCK YOU and your cult.,did you read what theymos said?the thread looks like politics ..why did retaliatory neg is given?fuck off..

[cryptohunter]

they are going to silence everyone that has gotten their way @Theymos you should listen to the people,we are not the only ones who wants to take these cult down theres a lot but we are the only ones who are brave to do it because they dont want to get red tagged here.Trust system is the main reason why most of the people quits after these abusers gave them inappropriate reds..

There's no frigging cult, and it's not a gang.  You're bitching about Lauda and Lauda alone.  Who else are you afraid is going to leave a neg for personal grudges?  Who else in what you perceive as a gang does that consistently?  I sure as hell don't, and yet I keep getting lumped in with the so-called "cult".  I think Vod is in there as well, but it's never exactly clear who you're talking about.

Once again, I wish you'd stop spreading this BS that members are going to get negged by the Lauda gang.  Either way, take me off the list.

Huge Black Woman aka The smarmacist is a self confessed lauda supporter.

Why are lauda and dirt bags like tman even on DT? yes the smarmacist supports these scoundrels.

There is clear collusion and cult like behaviour. The evidence is clear on bpip and dt include exclude lists not to mention the clear gang mentality demonstrated in any thread where one gets criticised.

He is very fortunate to be permitted into any sig campaign really considering his prior actions.

[ac2eugenio]

they are going to silence everyone that has gotten their way @Theymos you should listen to the people,we are not the only ones who wants to take these cult down theres a lot but we are the only ones who are brave to do it because they dont want to get red tagged here.Trust system is the main reason why most of the people quits after these abusers gave them inappropriate reds..

There's no frigging cult, and it's not a gang.  You're bitching about Lauda and Lauda alone.  Who else are you afraid is going to leave a neg for personal grudges?  Who else in what you perceive as a gang does that consistently?  I sure as hell don't, and yet I keep getting lumped in with the so-called "cult".  I think Vod is in there as well, but it's never exactly clear who you're talking about.

Once again, I wish you'd stop spreading this BS that members are going to get negged by the Lauda gang.  Either way, take me off the list.

What a pussy,are you afraid of being overthrowned by the people here?you're a cancer which should be killed immediately..Lauda is your friend,and the friend of OUR enemy is not our friend FYI.

[OgNasty]

There's no frigging cult, and it's not a gang.  You're bitching about Lauda and Lauda alone.

...

Once again, I wish you'd stop spreading this BS that members are going to get negged by the Lauda gang.  Either way, take me off the list.

If there’s no cult, and Lauda isn’t trying to intimidate users with a threat of being “negged by the Lauda gang”, then why try to present it as such?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

[Bazinga442]

There's no frigging cult, and it's not a gang.  You're bitching about Lauda and Lauda alone.

...

Once again, I wish you'd stop spreading this BS that members are going to get negged by the Lauda gang.  Either way, take me off the list.

If there’s no cult, and Lauda isn’t trying to intimidate users with a threat of being “negged by the Lauda gang”, then why try to present it as such?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

It is the ultimate example of hypocrisy on this forum. KingZee sums it up perfectly here:

It kind of goes both ways when you think about it. Why is Lauda allowed to manipulate trust by advocating inclusion or exclusion of specific members, while if someone else advocates for HER exclusoon, it's neg-trust. That's some double standards for you guys.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If there’s no cult, and Lauda isn’t trying to intimidate users with a threat of being “negged by the Lauda gang”, then why try to present it as such?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

Lauda is Lauda, that's how she/he rolls.  What I support is the anti-spam/anti-shitposting/anti-forum pollution attitude and actions.  Nothing else.  I don't support scams or extortion or even abusive feedback, which is why I haven't given cryptohunter or any of these other guys a neg.  Do I trust them?  Not really.  But as Theymos said, this is just forum politics and isn't worthy of negative trust.  You can quote me on this and delete the post, I don't care, but that's what's in my mind.

Edit:  I took that thread as a joke on Lauda's part, though I'm sure he/she does want people to make that trust list into their own.  There's not an actual cult or gang, but there's obviously a divide between a lot of senior members here.  I'm starting to gravitate toward the middle instead of digging in my heels.

[ac2eugenio]

If there’s no cult, and Lauda isn’t trying to intimidate users with a threat of being “negged by the Lauda gang”, then why try to present it as such?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

Lauda is Lauda, that's how she/he rolls.  What I support is the anti-spam/anti-shitposting/anti-forum pollution attitude and actions.  Nothing else.  I don't support scams or extortion or even abusive feedback, which is why I haven't given cryptohunter or any of these other guys a neg.  Do I trust them?  Not really.  But as Theymos said, this is just forum politics and isn't worthy of negative trust.  You can quote me on this and delete the post, I don't care, but that's what's in my mind.

Edit:  I took that thread as a joke on Lauda's part, though I'm sure he/she does want people to make that trust list into their own.  There's not an actual cult or gang, but there's obviously a divide between a lot of senior members here.  I'm starting to gravitate toward the middle instead of digging in my heels.

If you arent supporting abusive feedbacks,are you will willing to exclude foxup,lauda and others or give them negative trust? im sure you arent because you are leech whom sucking other's blood just to keep yourself alive.

You see? you have tagged a lot of people from the past with alts accounts,shitposters etc. which doesnt violate any forum rules according to theymos.You are abusive with your position,either way your gang's time will come you can deny that you arent part of this hierarchy but the people here knows who's part of lauda's ring like what you have said to your negative trusts,acc farmers/alts,merit abusers whatever BS.

[otrkid1970]

I never really agreed on some of the things Lauda has said or some of her Feedback on accounts We have Mixed words in the past and she Never Gave me a Negative trust rating. i  have seen a shit ton of accusations against her which made great reading material but i don't have anything solid that would make me Not trust her or Remover her from my trust list.

Am i defending Lauda? No just throwing out a few facts.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If you arent supporting abusive feedbacks,are you will willing to exclude foxup,lauda and others or give them negative trust?

No, although I don't agree with Foxpup's feedback on you.  DT members can and will disagree with each other, but that doesn't mean any of us need to jump right to exclusions or counter-negs or counter-positives (which I have a distaste for).  If someone is consistently wrong or is abusing the trust system, they'll end up off DT.  That happened with TECSHARE and a couple of others if I'm not mistaken.  I've left negs in the heat of the moment, out of emotion, and have removed them after cooling down.  Nobody is perfect.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

take me off the list.

I'm starting to gravitate toward the middle instead of digging in my heels.

if you dont want to be excluded on this mass list remove your inclusion of lauda tman and owlcatz and it will be updated without your exclusion
thier are casualties and i apologize

The Pharmacist Trusts:
gmaxwell (889 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
qwk (666 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Vod (961 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
SaltySpitoon (449 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
DiamondCardz (28 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
KWH (33 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
ibminer (326 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
TMAN (863 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Lauda (781 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Mitchell (197 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
xhomerx10 (860 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Blazed (93 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
hilariousandco (440 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Lesbian Cow (227 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
cryptodevil (95 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
suchmoon (1514 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
owlcatz (157 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
yahoo62278 (403 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Zepher (81 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
hilariousetc (1301 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
LoyceV (1790 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
actmyname (407 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
DarkStar_ (578 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Jet Cash (974 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
marlboroza (645 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Gunthar (64 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Hhampuz (620 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
xtraelv (967 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
https://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/487418.html



did you not read the thread ?
you dont ask to be taken off the list
it is automatic
follow the clear instructions

[ac2eugenio]

Am i defending Lauda?

You literally are.There are no facts to which you have said,Lauda will give you neg if you oppose her idea/way thats lauda's thing together with his gang you will notice if lauda has negged you,2nd and 3rd the notion will come  

[otrkid1970]

Am i defending Lauda?

You literally are.There are no facts to which you have said,Lauda will give you neg if you oppose her idea/way thats lauda's thing together with his gang you will notice if lauda has negged you,2nd and 3rd the notion will come  

I clearly stated i do not agree with some of the things she has said before. I clearly stated we Had words with each other before. I am not Worried in the slightest of getting Red Tagged.

[ac2eugenio]

If you arent supporting abusive feedbacks,are you will willing to exclude foxup,lauda and others or give them negative trust?

No, I don't agree with Foxpup's feedback on you.

See ? your gang has double standards and thats what we are fighting for, everyone who supported this thread has got redtrusts from the gang including (OgNasty)  which theymos said is inappropriate but you still allow your colleagues to do it.If you stands in the middle you know which is right and wrong if you arent an idiot/blind to see it.You can exclude those ABUSERS like you or maybe yourself if you have balls  

[ac2eugenio]

take me off the list.

I'm starting to gravitate toward the middle instead of digging in my heels.

if you dont want to be excluded on this mass list remove your inclusion of lauda tman and owlcatz and it will be updated without your exclusion
thier are casualties and i apologize

The Pharmacist Trusts:
gmaxwell (889 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
qwk (666 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Vod (961 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
SaltySpitoon (449 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
DiamondCardz (28 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
KWH (33 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
ibminer (326 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
TMAN (863 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Lauda (781 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Mitchell (197 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
xhomerx10 (860 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Blazed (93 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
hilariousandco (440 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Lesbian Cow (227 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
cryptodevil (95 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
suchmoon (1514 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
owlcatz (157 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
yahoo62278 (403 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Zepher (81 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
hilariousetc (1301 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
LoyceV (1790 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
actmyname (407 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
DarkStar_ (578 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Jet Cash (974 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
marlboroza (645 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Gunthar (64 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Hhampuz (620 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)

https://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/487418.html



did you not read the thread ?
you dont ask to be taken off the list
it is automatic
follow the clear instructions

You didnt highlighted the whole gang bro 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

you dont ask to be taken off the list

take me off the list.

Oops, I didn't mean that list specifically.  I mean the list of cult or gang members you have a picture of in your head when you think of Lauda.  I am not a part of any such gang, though Lauda and a few other DT members do share the same opinions I have about how this forum ought to be cleaned up, which is why we appear to be on the same side of a lot of issues--mainly shitposting, account selling, scamming, and how those things should be dealt with.  I am not a part of any behind-the-scenes conspiracy to run bitcointalk, however, and only occasionally do I exchange even so much as a PM with other DT members.  Even then, it's not usually anything I haven't said publicly.  I get the feeling that you guys think that's what's happening, and I'm just telling you I'm not involved in any such thing.  

So when I said to leave me off that list, I meant that list of DT members/Lauda-cultists that I think you've imagined is much more organized and conspiratorial than you think.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

The extortion episode I've always seen as a sting operation and I haven't looked at what evidence there was in about two years

what business is it of lauda to run a sting operation
is lauda the police ?


why should lauda care if he paid his taxes on his crypto ?

According to that thread I have already said that all taxes will be paid, and have done it. My bitcoins come from a legal source and all taxes for them has been paid.
I have proven my wealth source (at least parts of it) to the following members:
Lauda, TMAN, Zepher and minifrij
It is impossible to evade taxes with the source of my bitcoins, the above members can confirm that.

Well, it looks pretty clear cut and dry you posted a thread asking a question that is obviously illegal and now you are trying to backpedal?


But I was under the impression that you did not have to pay taxes on bitcoins until you sold them, because as a buyer of bitcoins it is the sellers responsible to pay the taxes on the gains if any?

Why thank you,  We are EU based - US law does not apply, so please read up on EU based laws and statutes.

thanks

fuck the government and their taxes
why is lauda and cult trying to snitch on someone for not paying taxes ?


what a sorry excuse for an extortion attempt


very untrustworthy trying to snitch on someone about taaxes
THIS IS CRYPTO


THEY HARASSED IS MOTHER

It isn't a claim.  It's a fact.  Talk to the users involved.  This isn't the place to discuss, but since you seem to be backing up Lauda while ignoring his misdeeds, you might want to revisit some of the many scammer threads with his involvement.

After Lauda began harassing zeroxal, trying to destroy his reputation and claiming he was a scammer, zeroxal did everything he could to prove his innocence.  This included sending his information to a 3rd party for verification.  He chose to send his passport (bad idea) to IronMarvel2, who then provided it to Lauda whom he thought could be trusted since he was a moderator of the forum.  This information was then given to TMAN, who used it to call and harass zeroxal along with his mother in their home.  Don't take my word for it though.  Ask IronMarvel2 or zeroxal if you need clarification of how Lauda abuses any position he's given to enact terror on those he disagrees with.  I'd rather not share my PMs with everyone involved, but still have them...

including tman and owlcatz


bump this thred guys https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

[The Sceptical Chymist]

what business is it of lauda to run a sting operation
is lauda the police ?
<snip>
why should lauda care if he paid his taxes on his crypto ?

From what I've read, that whole thing wasn't ultimately about taxes and the signed message from Lauda prior to the operation explains what they were doing.  It was ill-advised for them to do that, especially as Lauda was a staff member at the time, and he/she even admits that.  I think that's also why Lauda got removed as a staff member, but I did not see this as a true extortion attempt, especially coming from Quickseller.  Those two have been feuding since forever.

As far as the harassment goes, that's an assertion that I've never seen evidence for.  I'd tend to agree that threatening via telephone is a really bad idea, but I don't think I have all the facts to make a judgement on that.  I don't know what was said or if any such phone call was ever made.  I don't even really understand what the whole sting operation was supposed to be about other than the suspicion that zeroxal was involved in some criminal activity.

If you delete this post, at least quote it first.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

what business is it of lauda to run a sting operation
is lauda the police ?
<snip>
why should lauda care if he paid his taxes on his crypto ?

From what I've read, that whole thing wasn't ultimately about taxes and the signed message from Lauda prior to the operation explains what they were doing.  It was ill-advised for them to do that, especially as Lauda was a staff member at the time, and he/she even admits that.  I think that's also why Lauda got removed as a staff member, but I did not see this as a true extortion attempt, especially coming from Quickseller.  Those two have been feuding since forever.

As far as the harassment goes, that's an assertion that I've never seen evidence for.  I'd tend to agree that threatening via telephone is a really bad idea, but I don't think I have all the facts to make a judgement on that.  I don't know what was said or if any such phone call was ever made.  I don't even really understand what the whole sting operation was supposed to be about other than the suspicion that zeroxal was involved in some criminal activity.

If you delete this post, at least quote it first.

I did not see this as a true extortion attempt,
 I don't even really understand what the whole sting operation was supposed to be about other than the suspicion that zeroxal was involved in some criminal activity.

how can you be sure it was a trustworthy sting operation if you dont know what it was about ?


facts are facts from quickseller or theymos they are facts


view the pic for harassing his mother/family

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg17624090#msg17624090

 
https://archive.fo/szqRf
view this archive about the taxes and extortion
https://archive.fo/szqRf

[The Sceptical Chymist]

how can you be sure it was a trustworthy sting operation if you dont know what it was about ?

I'm not 100% sure of anything, but it comes down to whether you believe that signed message of what Lauda intended to do, and I happen to believe that it wasn't an actual extortion attempt.  And that image is of the assertion, not the proof, of harassment.  What can I tell you?  I don't have all the facts; I know QS is an escrow scammer; I know Lauda never had a history of scamming; thus I choose to think that thing is as Lauda said it is--an ill-advised sting operation. 

[H8bussesNbicycles]

how can you be sure it was a trustworthy sting operation if you dont know what it was about ?

I'm not 100% sure of anything, but it comes down to whether you believe that signed message of what Lauda intended to do, and I happen to believe that it wasn't an actual extortion attempt.  

i can sign a message that i am going to test the banks security before i rob it so if i get caught i can just produce my signed message and get away with it ?


i am done digging facts for you
lauda tman and owlcatz have not denied the harassing phone calls

owlcatz
Hey idiot, read more, post less. Roll Eyes

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg17629087#msg17629087

he wanted the situation to be over

This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

IF YOU THINK LAUDA IS TRUSTWORTHY YOU ARE UNTRUSTWORTHY


The Pharmacist and the rest of the lauda defending cult are UNTRUSTWORTHY

I know QS is an escrow scammer

quickseller is an escrow DECEIVER but not scammer
he scammed no one

[cryptohunter]

how can you be sure it was a trustworthy sting operation if you dont know what it was about ?

I'm not 100% sure of anything, but it comes down to whether you believe that signed message of what Lauda intended to do, and I happen to believe that it wasn't an actual extortion attempt.  And that image is of the assertion, not the proof, of harassment.  What can I tell you?  I don't have all the facts; I know QS is an escrow scammer; I know Lauda never had a history of scamming; thus I choose to think that thing is as Lauda said it is--an ill-advised sting operation.  

Well you therefore choose to take the word of a PROVEN liar. I wonder why?

So you are not sure if he is guilty as charged with the extortion. You say you do not understand if there is wrongdoing with the escrow business?

Come on, be sensible. Is it not the case as you have admitted before that you feel you are loyal to Lauda?

Let's say okay you are just a broke ass bum that needs to spam under a sock puppet account for btc dust but have not done anything such as actual scamming or anything we can see that is actually dangerous to the forum.

However when combined with supporting and being loyal and supporting lauda even though you know he is a liar, you say you do not understand if there was wrong doing in the escrow debacle and you choose to believe him in the extortion scheme.

Then this all starts to look a lot worse for you. Hence you certainly need to be having a swift change of heart toward more trustworthy behaviour else it should be the duty of any honest member to see you removed from dt, merit source and indeed perhaps think of making sure it is difficult for you to remain on any sig campaigns since this would reflect poorly upon them and their project. I'm sure they would prefer to keep away from persons demonstrating untrustworthy tendencies.

This is simply the course of action that any honest and upright member should perhaps consider for those that are willingly and willfully supporting such persons.

I'm not actually any longer advocating any of you are banned but you must all be stripped of the powers you have observably abused and blacklisted or held back from inflicting  more damage to innocent and honest members. I just hope this will be possible without ensuring that you also must all be cut off from damaging the image of the projects whom are perhaps unknowingly financing such blatant abusers and those that have acted in such an untrustworthy manner.

It is unfortunate that you all must be relieved of these powers since it is true that you have all put some effort into finding some scammers and have likely done some good deeds. If you had all been more reasonable and agreed to operate inside the mandate that Theymos just clarified to some degree ergo removing all red that is not directly related to scamming in some form and allowed fair representation on DT of some persons that are not part of your observable clique. Perhaps then an agreement could have been reached. Going forward from that only persons directly related to scamming would be tagged and things could perhaps start to improve.

Sadly I see no chance of such agreement taking place so it seems there will be a protracted war between those that are painted red but have not directly scammed or even been proven to be related to any scam and those that are not sticking to and have not stuck to the mandate theymos broadly laid out for DT.

There can be only 1 eventual winner from this position and that is the victims here because they really have nothing to lose. They can just keep turning up the heat and the intensity until something gives. So long as they operate within the rules and stick to presenting facts that are on topic and relevant and push for fairness and equality for all -- then there is no stopping them.

I can not speak for this union of persons here, however the sensible approach from current DT if they really care about the board is to undo their trust abuse, stop hogging all DT positions and allow others whom have done nothing untrustworthy ever (something they themselves can not claim even) and get on with finding real scammers and scams.

 They will not do it so they will end up losing but the heat will need to be turned up under them. Many of them are sig dependent as we can observe. This is something that needs examining as I suspect the main reason the pharmacist is considering some middle ground.  There is no middle ground, there is just trust abuse or no trust abuse. We will not tolerate abuse so best start to comprehend this before the facts demonstrating truth cost you more even than perhaps you deserve to lose on this board.

I agree with the post above. If you support those that trust abuse, then you too abuse the power given to you as a DT member. This system relies upon DT members excluding other DT members who abuse. So you support or even neglect to exclude those abusing trust, you are an abuser of the trust system.This has been made very clear now by Theymos. No more bullshit lemons or I think you can scam because you swear. NO NO.... you have a clear mandate now and those on DT not excluding clear trust abusers now are also trust abusers by their non action.

Any DT that is prepared to undo their trust abuse for ALL subjective red trust not directly related to scamming and exclude others that are for now unwilling could be given public agreement by this union (if all agree) to accepted and treated as a reformed character. This however can not apply to any DT proven a scammer. This public agreement will be set in stone as long as they only ever red trust for behaviour directly related to scamming and do not scam themselves.

I do not expect many to decide to take this offer even if it was valid (which is it not unless the entire union of abused persons agrees to it) but it is something to consider for both sides for when things start to heat up further in the future. I really do see the entire board going up into almost anarchy unless we can fix it now.

We the abused and mistreated ask for nothing we should not already have given freely. Prove any of us scammed or are directly related to scamming or remove the red and also allow fair representation on DT or explain why we should not have it. Why should those that have never scammed for years and are proven by our track record here be prevented from DT?  I have no desire for DT but would like to see some older legends who are not part of cliques perhaps some from many different sub forums to be there.

I would like to see a rule set in stone:

Anyone red trusting someone who is not directly related to a scam or are a proven scammer should be excluded at once by all other DT members unless they remove it immediately. Red trust is a waste of time unless it represents scamming or scammers and persons that are provably a high risk to the trading and finances of others here. It must not be allowed to be used as a tool to intimidate nor bully honest members who do not share DT members view or ideologies to the letter.

The above is just one possible solution that all persons could consider and we could discuss sensibly as a community.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

how can you be sure it was a trustworthy sting operation if you dont know what it was about ?

I'm not 100% sure of anything, but it comes down to whether you believe that signed message of what Lauda intended to do, and I happen to believe that it wasn't an actual extortion attempt.  And that image is of the assertion, not the proof, of harassment.  What can I tell you?  I don't have all the facts; I know QS is an escrow scammer; I know Lauda never had a history of scamming; thus I choose to think that thing is as Lauda said it is--an ill-advised sting operation.  

Well you therefore choose to take the word of a PROVEN liar. I wonder why?

So you are not sure if he is guilty as charged with the extortion. You say you do not understand if there is wrongdoing with the escrow business?

Come on, be sensible. Is it not the case as you have admitted before that you feel you are loyal to Lauda?

Let's say okay you are just a broke ass bum that needs to spam under a sock puppet account for btc dust but have not done anything such as actual scamming or anything we can see that is actually dangerous to the forum.

However when combined with supporting and being loyal and supporting lauda even though you know he is a liar, you say you do not understand if there was wrong doing in the escrow debacle and you choose to believe him in the extortion scheme.

Then this all starts to look a lot worse for you. Hence you certainly need to be having a swift change of heart toward more trustworthy behaviour else it should be the duty of any honest member to see you removed from dt, merit source and indeed perhaps think of making sure it is difficult for you to remain on any sig campaigns since this would reflect poorly upon them and their project. I'm sure they would prefer to keep away from persons demonstrating untrustworthy tendencies.

This is simply the course of action that any honest and upright member should perhaps consider for those that are willingly and willfully supporting such persons.

I'm not actually any longer advocating any of you are banned but you must all be stripped of the powers you have observably abused and blacklisted or held back from inflicting  more damage to innocent and honest members. I just hope this will be possible without ensuring that you also must all be cut off from damaging the image of the projects whom are perhaps unknowingly financing such blatant abusers and those that have acted in such an untrustworthy manner.

It is unfortunate that you all must be relieved of these powers since it is true that you have all put some effort into finding some scammers and have likely done some good deeds. If you had all been more reasonable and agreed to operate inside the mandate that Theymos just clarified to some degree ergo removing all red that is not directly related to scamming in some form and allowed fair representation on DT of some persons that are not part of your observable clique. Perhaps then an agreement could have been reached. Going forward from that only persons directly related to scamming would be tagged and things could perhaps start to improve.

Sadly I see no chance of such agreement taking place so it seems there will be a protracted war between those that are painted red but have not directly scammed or even been proven to be related to any scam and those that are not sticking to and have not stuck to the mandate theymos broadly laid out for DT.

There can be only 1 eventual winner from this position and that is the victims here because they really have nothing to lose. They can just keep turning up the heat and the intensity until something gives. So long as they operate within the rules and stick to presenting facts that are on topic and relevant and push for fairness and equality for all -- then there is no stopping them.

I can not speak for this union of persons here, however the sensible approach from current DT if they really care about the board is to undo their trust abuse, stop hogging all DT positions and allow others whom have done nothing untrustworthy ever (something they themselves can not claim even) and get on with finding real scammers and scams.

 They will not do it so they will end up losing but the heat will need to be turned up under them. Many of them are sig dependent as we can observe. This is something that needs examining as I suspect the main reason the pharmacist is considering some middle ground.  There is no middle ground, there is just trust abuse or no trust abuse. We will not tolerate abuse so best start to comprehend this before the facts demonstrating truth cost you more even than perhaps you deserve to lose on this board.

I agree with the post above. If you support those that trust abuse, then you too abuse the power given to you as a DT member. This system relies upon DT members excluding other DT members who abuse. So you support or even neglect to exclude those abusing trust, you are an abuser of the trust system.This has been made very clear now by Theymos. No more bullshit lemons or I think you can scam because you swear. NO NO.... you have a clear mandate now and those on DT not excluding clear trust abusers now are also trust abusers by their non action.

Any DT that is prepared to undo their trust abuse for ALL subjective red trust not directly related to scamming and exclude others that are for now unwilling could be given public agreement by this union (if all agree) to accepted and treated as a reformed character. This however can not apply to any DT proven a scammer. This public agreement will be set in stone as long as they only ever red trust for behaviour directly related to scamming and do not scam themselves.

I do not expect many to decide to take this offer even if it was valid (which is it not unless the entire union of abused persons agrees to it) but it is something to consider for both sides for when things start to heat up further in the future. I really do see the entire board going up into almost anarchy unless we can fix it now.

We the abused and mistreated ask for nothing we should not already have given freely. Prove any of us scammed or are directly related to scamming or remove the red and also allow fair representation on DT or explain why we should not have it. Why should those that have never scammed for years and are proven by our track record here be prevented from DT?  I have no desire for DT but would like to see some older legends who are not part of cliques perhaps some from many different sub forums to be there.

I would like to see a rule set in stone:

Anyone red trusting someone who is not directly related to a scam or are a proven scammer should be excluded at once by all other DT members unless they remove it immediately. Red trust is a waste of time unless it represents scamming or scammers and persons that are provably a high risk to the trading and finances of others here. It must not be allowed to be used as a tool to intimidate nor bully honest members who do not share DT members view or ideologies to the letter.

The above is just one possible solution that all persons could consider and we could discuss sensibly as a community.

looks sensible to me


this forum is supposed to be a bastion of freedom but these people want the power as they sense a vacuum
the people will never be free unless we continually resist tyranny it will always seek its niche

[cryptohunter]

looks sensible to me


this forum is supposed to be a bastion of freedom but these people want the power as they sense a vacuum

Glad you agree.

No man left behind . Every single person who is not a scammer who just has some subjective nonsense marking their account red must be reversed.

Also please could we add mOgliE to the excludes. This proven liar stated in public if i provided evidence of lauda lying then he would remove him and add me. I presented the evidence and the scumbag liar ran off. Supports all the main 3 scum bags too.

[otrkid1970]

looks sensible to me


this forum is supposed to be a bastion of freedom but these people want the power as they sense a vacuum

Glad you agree.

No man left behind . Every single person who is not a scammer who just has some subjective nonsense marking their account red must be reversed.

Also please could we add mOgliE to the excludes. This proven liar stated in public if i provided evidence of lauda lying then he would remove him and add me. I presented the evidence and the scumbag liar ran off. Supports all the main 3 scum bags too.

You're like Vampires thirsting for blood.  Just stop.

[cryptohunter]

looks sensible to me


this forum is supposed to be a bastion of freedom but these people want the power as they sense a vacuum

Glad you agree.

No man left behind . Every single person who is not a scammer who just has some subjective nonsense marking their account red must be reversed.

Also please could we add mOgliE to the excludes. This proven liar stated in public if i provided evidence of lauda lying then he would remove him and add me. I presented the evidence and the scumbag liar ran off. Supports all the main 3 scum bags too.

You're like Vampires thirsting for blood.  Just stop.

explain and justify your statement..... you wish to trust a  proven liar that supports other proven liars? why would you wish such a person to be left to lie to others and deceive them at will ? also by his inclusions of lauda tman etc he willing enables abuse of honest persons by their hands.

if you can explain yourself then perhaps you will not appear to be defending a proven liar and enabler of other liars and trust abusers?

Only the abusers can stop this. They need to delete their abuse else it can not and should not stop.

It is building a nice steady momentum and more organisation will only increase the effectiveness of the quest for fair and equal treatment for all persons here.

[otrkid1970]

looks sensible to me


this forum is supposed to be a bastion of freedom but these people want the power as they sense a vacuum

Glad you agree.

No man left behind . Every single person who is not a scammer who just has some subjective nonsense marking their account red must be reversed.

Also please could we add mOgliE to the excludes. This proven liar stated in public if i provided evidence of lauda lying then he would remove him and add me. I presented the evidence and the scumbag liar ran off. Supports all the main 3 scum bags too.

You're like Vampires thirsting for blood.  Just stop.

explain and justify your statement..... you wish to trust a  proven liar that supports other proven liars? why would you wish such a person to be left to lie to others and deceive them at will ? also by his inclusions of lauda tman etc he willing enables abuse of honest persons by their hands.

if you can explain yourself then perhaps you will not appear to be defending a proven liar and enabler of other liars and trust abusers?

You quoted 3 people...You talking to me?

[cryptohunter]

yes

[otrkid1970]

yes

I see your Negative trust.  It's wrong and i don't agree with it. Like i have said before i don't agree with some things Lauda does or says.  You have to understand most of these DT Members have ZERO life outside of BCT and want to play superhero on here...This is what they do. This is what makes them relevant iin the world.  Their red paint means they want attentiion and are screaming for help.

No person their right mind spends 8-10 hours a day on a forum judging peoples posts and leaving negative feedback is in their right minds.

They are abusive losers and it can't be fixed until theymos puts his foot down and say enough.

Tolerate it if you can uuntil the system breaks or theymos comes to his right mind and fixes it.

[cryptohunter]

yes

I see your Negative trust.  It's wrong and i don't agree with it. Like i have said before i don't agree with some things Lauda does or says.  You have to understand most of these DT Members have ZERO life outside of BCT and want to play superhero on here...This is what they do. This is what makes them relevant iin the world.  Their red paint means they want attentiion and are screaming for help.

No person their right mind spends 8-10 hours a day on a forum judging peoples posts and leaving negative feedback is in their right minds.

They are abusive losers and it can't be fixed until theymos puts his foot down and say enough.

Tolerate it if you can uuntil the system breaks or theymos comes to his right mind and fixes it.

I hope you are right. Theymos has made one good step lately and that is more or less to tell them that unless someone is scamming or trying to scam then leave them alone to enjoy their freedom of expression and freedom to have their own opinions.

I hope these persons will follow his advice or else he really does push through custom trust lists for every person here with no such thing as DT

thanks for encouraging words.

[stingers]

Another very bad abuse happening here.

just after a post from the ass-licker suchmoon;

Is stingers still a merit source? Sending merits to pad H8's gang to 10 merits so that they would have votes. Not sure if that counts as "strategic".

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.msg49590110#msg49590110

Theymos just removed me from merit source, That is such an instant action by theymos I mean. Any other case where there is such an instant action, even after sufficient proves are provided by us?

Why don't we see such immediate changes when we have already provided enough proves about DT merit-cycle, all of that also comes under trust abuse and should be handled by theymos instantly as my case was.


I think this is partiality in judgment and this also stopped us form having a merit giver for people under abuse. Cryptohunter is posting a large amount of content from months here, if trust system and merit system was working correctly his efforts in posting should have received many numbers of merits for him to become a Lambo member here.

[otrkid1970]

yes

I see your Negative trust.  It's wrong and i don't agree with it. Like i have said before i don't agree with some things Lauda does or says.  You have to understand most of these DT Members have ZERO life outside of BCT and want to play superhero on here...This is what they do. This is what makes them relevant iin the world.  Their red paint means they want attentiion and are screaming for help.

No person their right mind spends 8-10 hours a day on a forum judging peoples posts and leaving negative feedback is in their right minds.

They are abusive losers and it can't be fixed until theymos puts his foot down and say enough.

Tolerate it if you can uuntil the system breaks or theymos comes to his right mind and fixes it.

I hope you are right. Theymos has made one good step lately and that is more or less to tell them that unless someone is scamming or trying to scam then leave them alone to enjoy their freedom of expression and freedom to have their own opinions.

I hope these persons will follow his advice or else he really does push through custom trust lists for every person here with no such thing as DT

thanks for encouraging words.

No problem....Just because they have RED paint....Doesn't make them right.  Keep fighting.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

yes

I see your Negative trust.  It's wrong and i don't agree with it. Like i have said before i don't agree with some things Lauda does or says.  You have to understand most of these DT Members have ZERO life outside of BCT and want to play superhero on here...This is what they do. This is what makes them relevant iin the world.  Their red paint means they want attentiion and are screaming for help.

No person their right mind spends 8-10 hours a day on a forum judging peoples posts and leaving negative feedback is in their right minds.

They are abusive losers and it can't be fixed until theymos puts his foot down and say enough.

Tolerate it if you can uuntil the system breaks or theymos comes to his right mind and fixes it.

they are just keyboard warriors, probably those geeks...

[Quickseller]

Which is more important in your endeavor, a net-positive outcome for the forum and community, or removing Lauda from DT?
Taking a look through all of the people you're seeking to exclude, you're going to be doing a LOT of damage if you are successful. I'm just wondering if you believe the ends justify the means?

You are assuming that Lauda being on DT is a net positive for the forum. You are wrong.

Lauda has given over 4,000 negative ratings, which is a lot. However the appropriate use of a negative rating is to warn others that trading with the person will likely result in a scam attempt against you. This does not apply to nearly all of the ratings that Lauda has left, the overwhelming majority of the negative ratings Lauda has left are in relation to someone having a bunch of alt accounts, someone posting "poorly", or someone "breaking forum rules", none of which have anything to do with the chances of being able to successfully trading with the person.

The above abuse of the trust system by Lauda actually hurt the community, and safety of the forum marketplace in many ways:

• It takes a long pattern of poor posting to get banned from the forum, however once someone receives a negative rating, they will often abandon their account in favor of a new account, delaying any potential ban. A ban includes a prohibition from creating a new account that can (and is) enforced via means that will catch almost all instances of ban evasion, while an arbitrary negative rating will have no such effect
• Many innocent people have been effectively excluded from the marketplace for arbitrary reasons
• Actual scammers are able to continue stealing from others, even after they receive a negative trust warning because they can claim they received negative ratings unfairly or for reasons other than the ability to be trusted
• There are no clear "rules" someone can follow to avoid receiving an arbitrary negative ratings, the result of which is corruption

I am not a big fan of having "strangers" and others who have little/no trading history in trust lists and/or the DT network, and as such, I cannot endorse the stance of the OP. Many who the OP is suggesting to include in trust lists are people I don't necessarily think are best to be in the position of the amount of power/influence of DT.

[Quickseller]

what business is it of lauda to run a sting operation
is lauda the police ?
<snip>
why should lauda care if he paid his taxes on his crypto ?

From what I've read, that whole thing wasn't ultimately about taxes and the signed message from Lauda prior to the operation explains what they were doing.  It was ill-advised for them to do that, especially as Lauda was a staff member at the time, and he/she even admits that.  I think that's also why Lauda got removed as a staff member, but I did not see this as a true extortion attempt, especially coming from Quickseller.  Those two have been feuding since forever.

As far as the harassment goes, that's an assertion that I've never seen evidence for.  I'd tend to agree that threatening via telephone is a really bad idea, but I don't think I have all the facts to make a judgement on that.  I don't know what was said or if any such phone call was ever made.  I don't even really understand what the whole sting operation was supposed to be about other than the suspicion that zeroxal was involved in some criminal activity.

That is a ridiculous assertion on both fronts. I challenge you to find someone who has claimed I have stolen or misappropriated funds (that is not later shown to be baseless) -- I will save you the time, no such claim exists. (I await your apology when you agree no such claim exists).

Of course the whole "sting operation" was not ultimately about taxes. It was about the fact someone was known to have a large amount of bitcoin worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and few living expenses. Paying any extortion bounty is not even evidence of wrongdoing, it is evidence the stopping of the threatened criminal harassment and probable hassle of an IRS audit is worth more than value of the bounty.

The signed message was also not a signed message, it was the claimed content of an encrypted message (lauda knew the difference at the time) that was posted to multiple pastebin websites in order to create the appearance of an alibi if/when he was called out on the extortion attempt. It would be impossible to ever see the "signed message" if it was not presented and decrypted. If the extortion bounty was paid, it is almost a certainty lauda would not have been called out on the extortion, and there would be no reason to ever present that "signed message". There could even be more "signed messages" out that that are similarly encrypted that say something different that would be presented if the extortion was paid and lauda was called out -- we can never know one way or another.

[Bazinga442]

Slowly slowly catchy monkey

[H8bussesNbicycles]

what business is it of lauda to run a sting operation
is lauda the police ?
<snip>
why should lauda care if he paid his taxes on his crypto ?

From what I've read, that whole thing wasn't ultimately about taxes and the signed message from Lauda prior to the operation explains what they were doing.  It was ill-advised for them to do that, especially as Lauda was a staff member at the time, and he/she even admits that.  I think that's also why Lauda got removed as a staff member, but I did not see this as a true extortion attempt, especially coming from Quickseller.  Those two have been feuding since forever.

As far as the harassment goes, that's an assertion that I've never seen evidence for.  I'd tend to agree that threatening via telephone is a really bad idea, but I don't think I have all the facts to make a judgement on that.  I don't know what was said or if any such phone call was ever made.  I don't even really understand what the whole sting operation was supposed to be about other than the suspicion that zeroxal was involved in some criminal activity.

That is a ridiculous assertion on both fronts. I challenge you to find someone who has claimed I have stolen or misappropriated funds (that is not later shown to be baseless) -- I will save you the time, no such claim exists. (I await your apology when you agree no such claim exists).

Of course the whole "sting operation" was not ultimately about taxes. It was about the fact someone was known to have a large amount of bitcoin worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and few living expenses. Paying any extortion bounty is not even evidence of wrongdoing, it is evidence the stopping of the threatened criminal harassment and probable hassle of an IRS audit is worth more than value of the bounty.

The signed message was also not a signed message, it was the claimed content of an encrypted message (lauda knew the difference at the time) that was posted to multiple pastebin websites in order to create the appearance of an alibi if/when he was called out on the extortion attempt. It would be impossible to ever see the "signed message" if it was not presented and decrypted. If the extortion bounty was paid, it is almost a certainty lauda would not have been called out on the extortion, and there would be no reason to ever present that "signed message". There could even be more "signed messages" out that that are similarly encrypted that say something different that would be presented if the extortion was paid and lauda was called out -- we can never know one way or another.

today i made many signed messages completely absolving me of any possible crime i may commit in the future through my actions to bust scammers or help anyone ever

[LoyceV]

if you dont want to be excluded on this mass list remove your inclusion of lauda tman and owlcatz and it will be updated without your exclusion

And yet, I'm on the list. May I challenge you to show any feedback left by me that you disagree with is incorrect?

[H8bussesNbicycles]

if you dont want to be excluded on this mass list remove your inclusion of lauda tman and owlcatz and it will be updated without your exclusion

And yet, I'm on the list. May I challenge you to show any feedback left by me that you disagree with is incorrect?

updated list 2/2/19 <- now also include opposite of lauda personal trust list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

[LoyceV]

updated list 2/2/19 <- now also include opposite of lauda personal trust list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

I don't think that's helping your "cause". What happened to using arguments to include/exclude someone?

[H8bussesNbicycles]

updated list 2/2/19 <- now also include opposite of lauda personal trust list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

I don't think that's helping your "cause". What happened to using arguments to include/exclude someone?

you have us on ignore
why should we trust you ?
lauda thinks you support him     has you on his list       i agree
i dont see any of your circled merits voting for our cause
you ever speak out against lauda ?
switzerland cult member

here.

cult confirmed

Judging by his obsession with signature spam, he's just spamming his signature

foolish
spamming unpaid signature

[LoyceV]

you have us on ignore

There is no "us" on my ignore list, it's individual users. Most of them are cheaters from the time I was running giveaways, only recently I've added a troll. Not "all of you" as you claim.

why should we trust you ?

That's up to you to decide. I couldn't care less if you don't trust me, but you're missing my point: you should make your own judgements based on the actions you see from people. Or at least: that's how I've created my trust list.

lauda thinks you support him     has you on his list       i agree

So does OgNasty. OgNasty and Lauda don't trust each other, and yet, they both trust my judgement.

i dont see any of your circled merits voting for our cause

I don't Merit users for voting power. I Merit users for posts that are worth reading.

you ever speak out against lauda ?

Does this count?

switzerland cult member

I'll take it I try to stay away from controversy.

cult confirmed

How many of ch's posts have you read?

[H8bussesNbicycles]

I Merit users for posts that are worth reading.

cryptohunters good posts arent worth reading to you
you reinforce the cult
cryptohunters posts are trash to you     you are against us

[Bazinga442]

I Merit users for posts that are worth reading.

cryptohunters good posts arent worth reading to you
you reinforce the cult
cryptohunters posts are trash to you     you are against us

I like Switzerland. She is one of the few people on DT doing the right things. There are hardly any complaints about her ratings. I'd say leave her be, no-one is perfect. She should be free to support whomever she pleases. Haranguing her is something Lauda would do. Joining "la résistancee" should be by choice.

EDIT: This is my honest opinion and not an attempt to kiss arse for positive ratings and merit. Frankly, they are wasted on me.

[cryptohunter]

updated list 2/2/19 <- now also include opposite of lauda personal trust list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

I don't think that's helping your "cause". What happened to using arguments to include/exclude someone?

Well you have included untrustworthy individuals on your trust list rendering you untrustworthy. Also you are often found protecting them and others in arguments and debates where they are resisting a fairer system that will ensure the equal treatment of all members.

You also seek to defame persons as trolls but then when challenged can not present one thing that they have said that is not correct. Their posts are not trolling those are fact based posts that are delivered with the highly charged indignation of a person whom has been trust abused that you have sanctioned and therefore also makes you a trust abuser.

You may not be as bad as some of the others but you display lots of undesirable traits from the perspective of those seeking a fair and equal treatment for all members here.

You are just offended because after you were religiously trying to crush the truth that merit is being cycled you were demonstrated by myself to employ broken logic and make stupid statements. One has only got to view those meta threads regarding merit to see your mind is incapable of sensible debate. I therefore correctly pointed out that such a fragile mind is simply unable to produce contributions that justify such a ludicrous amount of merits heaped upon it when there are other legends making posts that dwarf any capability you have and have less than 80 merits.

This was simply truth that offended your ego and now you are constantly popping up sniping at our honest and commendable cause to bring into place a fairer and more transparent criteria for the systems of control than the ones you have so far been able to benefit from.

I do not say that you are as bad as some of the others but still you have done more than enough to demonstrate you seek to maintain the status quo that benefits you over the introduction of system that ensures fair and equal treatment for all and guards against trust abuse and the crushing of free speech.

I can provide evidence to substantiate what I have posted if you wish for it.

We only want a fair and transparent system here. Stop trying to prevent this.

LoyceV likes to challenge others but will never meet a challenge you set him.

This post is a VERY important post regarding the original purpose of this forum and where it has been heading recently.. go read it and either provide a facts based refutation or else start heaping the merits on it that is rightfully deserves. It is actually a disgrace that a post trying to provide a faux and empty rebuttal to such an important contribution gets more merits than the important message it fails to refute.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

this thread should be discussed far far more than it has been and this has been pushed under the rug as usual.

In this fight for fair and equal treatment there is no middle ground. You either want fair and equal treatment for all persons or you do not want it.

[Thule]

I don't Merit users for voting power. I Merit users for posts that are worth reading.

Like this post ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.140

Is it worth reading or about crypto?
Yeah it really deserves 80 merits and seeing the tons of posts from people doing real quality posts here getting ZERO is absolutly justified.
I guess the whole community should read this thread since its according to you worth reading it and with 80 merits i guess the most important thread of the month.

Of course its not merit whoring which DT members should prevent

And to say it more clearly i didn't saw a single word from you to Lauda,The Pharmacist,Timelord or any other DT member asking why they have double standards on tagging.
Buddies don't get tagged and always get a justification they don't deserve a tagg.People like me get dozens of taggs because i raised my opinion.
But when asking for showing proof of their claims like for example i'm an alt of QS they are all silent.


WHERE ARE YOU THERE ?Never saw you demand replies from these DT members for something they did.NEVER!!!!!!

More important theymos officaly said that tagging for this thread is not allowed.
Still i got 5 taggs because of that.You think they even consider taking this tagg away ?NOOO
The only option to take that tagg away would be adding instantly another one for any new found bullshit reason.
These taggs are not because i scammed someone or because i'm going to scam someone these taggs are because they don't like me.Actually hate me and they will keep tagging for anything just to discredit me like they did with every other member who didn't played under their own made rules.

WHERE ARE YOU THEN ?I SEE YOU NOT ASKING THESE DT MEMBERS WHY THEY BREAK THEIR OWN RULES ?

Here just for you



All taggs not allowed by theymos.
Why don't you ask them why they don't remove it ?

And you ask why we don't have you in our trust list ?
The reason is you are giving silent permission to that kind of abuse.

Where were you when these faggots instantly tried to defame that screenshot about suchmoon ?Why do you think they do so ?Why you think it took so long for suchmoon to reply on that thread ?Everyone instantly talking about fake evidence.

FUCK YOU the evidence is 100% accurate and what they did is trying to instantly intimidate you with text like banning your account for that so you step back.
You think they didn't do instantly the same to that guy ?

You think suchmoon would just come and say "ohhh yes thats me how i scammed someone"

You guys are clearly not neutral but one sided.Thats the issue
People have no trust in DT members,moderators and even to theymos .SOrry to say it this way but thats the truth and seeing theymos actions where he favours very often DT members or ignores their open abuse  is something i can more and more understand these people being silent if your business is relaying mainly on this forum and your account health.


So fuck yourself for the fear community you created that noone is being trusted to get this kind of information directly because everyone fears the consequence of publishing it.

I talked with several DT members and even with a Mod i trust.Only one fucking mod i trust on this board and you know what their answers basicly were : Nobody seems to care

[Foxpup]

More important theymos officaly said that tagging for this thread is not allowed.

He said no such thing, but don't let the truth get in the way of your story:

I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved,

[Thule]

More important theymos officaly said that tagging for this thread is not allowed.

He said no such thing, but don't let the truth get in the way of your story:

I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved,

Just for you

It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm disappointed in the reaction to this post. Although H8bussesNbicycles is perhaps not particularly trustworthy for other reasons, the reasons many people gave for neg-trusting him are inappropriate. You can argue that what he's advocating is bad on a utilitarian level, but he would disagree, and his advocacy of a certain Trust philosophy doesn't by itself mean that he's an untrustworthy person. DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.

[cryptohunter]

More important theymos officaly said that tagging for this thread is not allowed.

He said no such thing, but don't let the truth get in the way of your story:

I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved,

quote the entire thing and stop being untrustworthy
the full post goes on to say if DT do not largely follow its intended purpose then boom no more DT and everyone needs to set up their own trust list which is a far better idea anyway

"I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved, but if a culture somewhat compatible with my views does not eventually develop, then I will consider this more freeform DT selection to be a failure, and I'll probably get rid of it in favor of enforcing custom trust lists." theymos full post

[Thule]

SILENCE

What happened ?No arguments against facts ?

[cryptohunter]

SILENCE

What happened ?No arguments against facts ?

This is what it will all eventually boil down to: there is no way to deny observable fact. This is the WMD that the abused have that will eventually guarantee the demise of the abusers. We just have to make sure that we wield it correctly and efficiently. Not that it can be worn out or diminishes over time time it is just we will take longer to reach our goal of a fairer system where everyone is treated equally.

[ac2eugenio]

They dont have balls to face theur abusive acts,thats why they choose to hide in the form of silence.Exclude,the whole cult people should fight for their freedom.We shouldnt allow these people abusing the system and walk freely with their crimes.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

More important theymos officaly said that tagging for this thread is not allowed.

He said no such thing, but don't let the truth get in the way of your story:

I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved,

it is allowed but disappointing abuse of the trust system to him
nice try foxy

you should make your own judgements based on the actions you see from people.

your action to support lauda is what i make my judgement based on

[lolgato1]

More important theymos officaly said that tagging for this thread is not allowed.

He said no such thing, but don't let the truth get in the way of your story:

I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved,

it is allowed but disappointing abuse of the trust system to him
nice try foxy

you should make your own judgements based on the actions you see from people.

your action to support lauda is what i make my judgement based on

Doest it really help it? I do not see any progress . Only you are receiving more and more negative ratings. I think that you can´t win this fight .

[Bazinga442]

Oh, how I love Meta… Reading through the last few pages warms my heart.

All I see is fukem! They’re good for nothing trolls. They don’t matter, none of them will ever make it to DT, and even if they did, bla bla and so forth. But I smell your fear. The fact that you’re all here, discussing a bunch of inconsequential no gooders in depth, shows we’re unto something.

It is worth noting that when this “movement” started it was one man’s idea. It has so far ballooned to 20 or so accounts in 9 days. And this is a thread buried deep in the reputation sub, where only a small number of users on this forum visit.

The initial reactions were hilarious; threads popped everywhere demanding bans and blacklists. Lol! When that failed, the tune changed to oh don’t worry; they will never achieve the required merit threshold to get into DT.

The best lesson I’ve learnt in my very short life is to never say never.

A few weeks ago Lauda’s ratings were worthless and last week Ognasty wasn’t on DT. Some of the newbie DT’s running around making definitive statements about how it will never happen, had no idea theymos would move things around.

Who is to say that theymos, after smoking some crack sometime in the near future, wouldn’t change things again? The simple truth is that bitcointak is subject to on man’s whims, but then I digress….

As long as certain people on DT keep abusing their powers, change is nigh. Resist it all you want, wish it away, but it will happen.

It may not happen now and maybe not through us. I honestly don’t expect this “movement” to succeed. Nonetheless, I signed up to make my voice heard because there is strength in numbers. As individuals, none of us could have made enough noise to be heard as we are now.

They said Trump would never win the presidency
They said brexit would never happen
Leicester was 5000/1 to win the premier league
Serena Williams crashed out from the 2019 Aussie open after going 5-1 up in the third set. But we were told none of these would happen. Impossible!

These are all recent modern examples, and as you can tell, I am a betting man. And I will gladly wager that, the current state of affairs regarding DT on this forum won’t remain the same for long if things don’t improve soon.

I’ll leave you all to your pillow talk. Thanks for having me.

preach brother
the response to my thread has been outstanding
it has been the center of attention on meta and reputation boards and elicited a response from theymos


"""20 or so""" was a week ago
surely are more now and grow every day
thread will be added to lists of historic threads and live on for eternity
if we win us early adopters will be heroes


will you wear a signature pointing to the thread if i make one for you ?



thinking about starting a donation based BTC signature campaign

YES! and I'll donate to the campaign.

any takers?

BTW, are signatures allowed for this type of thing? I will gladly pay for a set if folks will wear them without fear. Hopefully, they can help spread the word about this thread and the vile chancers ruining this forum.

Any interested and competent signature designers reading this can pm me with their samples and price. Don't mind the fake ratings on my trust, but if it bothers you, I'll go 1st if you're "trusted" or we use an escrow.

About meriting, surely, it wouldn't be considered manipulation if awarded to good posts, regardless of whether the poster is an "undesirable"? In this case a thread like this would suffice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0 - where posters can report good unmerited post and anybody can merit them if they choose to.

[LoyceV]

thinking about starting a donation based BTC signature campaign

YES! and I'll donate to the campaign.

I appreciate the dedication!

I'm just curious to see which of the red trusted Newbies on your trust list you choose to escrow

[landoffaucets]

Hello, what does it mean: 23 merit deleted? Who deleted the given merit and why? Thanks, really interested in this question.

[Bazinga442]

thinking about starting a donation based BTC signature campaign

YES! and I'll donate to the campaign.

I appreciate the dedication!

I'm just curious to see which of the red trusted Newbies on your trust list you choose to escrow

I was thinking quickseller but you're welcome to escrow the deal if one materializes. It's a free market.

[landoffaucets]

I would like to help you because I do not understand why DT members are giving same negative comment for 1 thing. For example my profile: 4 same negative feedbacks for account selling... 

[yogg]

I would like to help you because I do not understand why DT members are giving same negative comment for 1 thing. For example my profile: 4 same negative feedbacks for account selling... 

Because if one of the users is no longer DT, the other feedbacks serve to remind that the account has been mixed with shady activities, hence untrustworthy.

[ac2eugenio]

We have more DT1 in our side,but i wont name them hahaha there's a big progress in here,lets just wait for the others to get into DT1 position then we are going to exclude these abusers in just 1 hit

[cryptohunter]

did anyone notice they got rid of that thread that was discussing the facts of the pharmacist using a sock puppet to racist troll sig spam for extra btc dust?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096914

or did they just move it somewhere?

[ac2eugenio]

If someone has excluded the cult members it is abuse,like what i have received,but then if the CULT excluded people from their trustlist it is acceptable? imbecile piece of shit.

[ac2eugenio]

did anyone notice they got rid of that thread that was discussing the facts of the pharmacist using a sock puppet to racist troll sig spam for extra btc dust?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096914

or did they just move it somewhere?

Are they being backed up by the moderators? what a pussy,they are hiding the truth from @Theymos,and the people.

[cryptohunter]

let's get this sad pathetic loser added to the excludes

~Alone055

reason -  this sad little gimp comes to my thread  that is a sensible reasonable request for clarification of why stingers was excluded from merit source  and attempted to falsely brand them as trolling. He is a annoying negative shitposting troll himself.

I posted this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107640

and he comes and tries to derail and cast off as trolling certainly an ass kisser to untrustworthy scoundrels.

[ac2eugenio]

let's get this sad pathetic loser added to the excludes

~Alone055

reason -  this sad little gimp comes to my thread  that is a sensible reasonable request for clarification of why stingers was excluded from merit source  and attempted to falsely brand them as trolling. He is a annoying negative shitposting troll himself.

I posted this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107640

and he comes and tries to derail and cast off as trolling certainly an ass kisser to untrustworthy scoundrels.

That is their defense mechanism they called us "trolling" given that we have provided facts. But if they do the same to us,they call that appropriate actions.

[Thule]

I would like to help you because I do not understand why DT members are giving same negative comment for 1 thing. For example my profile: 4 same negative feedbacks for account selling...

Its a clear intention to destroy your account.Who would do business with someone who has 200 negative trust points ?
And to your question why you get it so often ?Because you are not their buddy.
Would you be their buddy they wouldn't tagg you even if you would have been catched with full evidence.
Good examples are Bruno and some escrows who tried selling their accounts and got nothing for it with the explanation they don't deserve to be tagged.
BUT YOU DESERVE TO BE TAGGED since you are not their buddy.

Also suchmoon bought herself in june 2018 a legendary account which is a known fact.Have you seen her getting a tagg or the bought account ?No ?Why ?

Btw you didn't get 4 taggs but 6.You are moving to the worst scammer parts.

You can also ask these faggots because thats what they are why they don't tagg real scammers and their projects like Eric Gu and Zengold,Metaverse ?Attacking these kind of projects they fear.



As escrow i would recommend Ognasty.
Very good service and his rates are also very good.

[cryptohunter]

let's get this sad pathetic loser added to the excludes

~Alone055

reason -  this sad little gimp comes to my thread  that is a sensible reasonable request for clarification of why stingers was excluded from merit source  and attempted to falsely brand them as trolling. He is a annoying negative shitposting troll himself.

I posted this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107640

and he comes and tries to derail and cast off as trolling certainly an ass kisser to untrustworthy scoundrels.

That is their defense mechanism they called us "trolling" given that we have provided facts. But if they do the same to us,they call that appropriate actions.

Yes this is exactly that. They are total scum bags whom will do anything to avoid sensible debate.

They know there is no defense or victory for them when we have evidence and observable events of their REAL untrustworthy behaviours but they still want to be in positions of power to be able to red trust us for things THEY decide don't fit in with how they think things should be done or in extreme cases they will red trust you for daring to speak up and tell the truth that they are the ones that are proven untrustworthy.

[itomarketing]

Another very bad abuse happening here.

just after a post from the ass-licker suchmoon;

Most of my posts against suchmoon got deleted .Sometimes even immediately after posting like a few minutes ago.

[Thule]

Another very bad abuse happening here.

just after a post from the ass-licker suchmoon;

Most of my posts against suchmoon got deleted .Sometimes even immediately after posting like a few minutes ago.

Ohh that's why they accuse me on the other thread LOL .

[itomarketing]

I had a short temp. ban for voicing my opinion.
Not worth to fight against them.
It only creates trouble.

[Thule]

Seems like Foxpup is unable to think logicly


ito-marketing wrote

Not worth to fight against them.
It only creates trouble.

Foxpup negative feedback after that

Conspiring to manipulate DT for a personal vendetta at the risk of leaving other users vulnerable to known scammers.

Telling people to not fight against DT members is conspiring to manipulate DT for a personal vendetta LOL ......delicious

[landoffaucets]

I would like to help you because I do not understand why DT members are giving same negative comment for 1 thing. For example my profile: 4 same negative feedbacks for account selling... 

Because if one of the users is no longer DT, the other feedbacks serve to remind that the account has been mixed with shady activities, hence untrustworthy.

Very cool! Since I posted here yesterday I received another negative feedback for same thing! Again and again i am asking, why?

[Thule]

I would like to help you because I do not understand why DT members are giving same negative comment for 1 thing. For example my profile: 4 same negative feedbacks for account selling...  

Because if one of the users is no longer DT, the other feedbacks serve to remind that the account has been mixed with shady activities, hence untrustworthy.

Very cool! Since I posted here yesterday I received another negative feedback for same thing! Again and again i am asking, why?

To destroy your account.


8 feedbacks for that small action makes you look like the worst scammer.Noone is going to touch you


They are making sure you will wear the tagg even they get kicked out from DT one by one (irony)

[landoffaucets]

I would like to help you because I do not understand why DT members are giving same negative comment for 1 thing. For example my profile: 4 same negative feedbacks for account selling... 

Because if one of the users is no longer DT, the other feedbacks serve to remind that the account has been mixed with shady activities, hence untrustworthy.

Very cool! Since I posted here yesterday I received another negative feedback for same thing! Again and again i am asking, why?

To destroy your account.


8 feedbacks for that small action makes you look like the worst scammer.Noone is going to touch you

I see that your negative trust is also growing everyday! 
So, what to do now? Do you really think that we can fight with them? I do not understand why they are so angry about it.

I have written a new post, kindly check it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108175.new#new - waiting for DT members to answer 

[cryptohunter]

I would like to help you because I do not understand why DT members are giving same negative comment for 1 thing. For example my profile: 4 same negative feedbacks for account selling... 

Because if one of the users is no longer DT, the other feedbacks serve to remind that the account has been mixed with shady activities, hence untrustworthy.

Very cool! Since I posted here yesterday I received another negative feedback for same thing! Again and again i am asking, why?

To destroy your account.


8 feedbacks for that small action makes you look like the worst scammer.Noone is going to touch you

I see that your negative trust is also growing everyday! 
So, what to do now? Do you really think that we can fight with them? I do not understand why they are so angry about it.

I have written a new post, kindly check it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108175.new#new - waiting for DT members to answer 

Of course we can fight them. DT is but one tool. Notice how they all rely on signatures and services they provide.

Why should untrustworthy persons proven untrustworthy like they are be allowed to ruin such projects image our next move is to bring this to the attention of those projects. If they fail to shun untrustworthy persons from their project then that could well mean their projects are unstrustworthy and their customers need to be informed of these facts so they can factor that in to any decision to deal or invest.

Each time a person is trust abused this movement will gather pace.

Also once a critical mass of persons understand the fact that DT is infested with proven untrustworthy persons and that red trust in some cases is an endorsement then that will collapse the power that they have.

[cryptohunter]

let's get this scum bag on the list

Timelord2067 on bitcointalk is untrustworthy and a proven trust abuser.

he now seeks to red trust me for this post

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106712.msg49714728#msg49714728

this is untrustworthy behaviour and trust abuse.

[Rambotnic]

The whole forum is a big joke.
Running by people who were caught scamming 3000btc+
what you expect?

[cryptohunter]

The whole forum is a big joke.
Running by people who were caught scamming 3000btc+
what you expect?

Well this is perhaps extreme... these people do not run it they just have some minimal power to put a red mark on our accounts. However it is good to stand up to them and get them taken off DT at someone or else present facts and truth about them until they are known correctly as untrustworthy individuals.

[cryptohunter]

bump

[ac2eugenio]

These moronic DT members doesnt want to argue with our facts here,so they just want to forget what is being said here.

[Deena]

These moronic DT members doesnt want to argue with our facts here,so they just want to forget what is being said here.

In all fairness; H8bussesNbicycles deleted many of their replies. Where is he anyway? Looks like he tried to start a fire and ran away from it.

What a situation; if you cannot trust people with negative Lauda clique trust anymore, then who can you trust on this forum?  

[Quickseller]

In all fairness; H8bussesNbicycles deleted many of their replies.

^-- THIS

(82 posts by 26 users with 23 merit deleted.)

It is impossible to have a reasoned debate, when one side puts their fingers in their ears and say "blah blah blah, I'm not listening to you"... which is effectively what has been happening with all the deleted posts.

I get that it is a self-moderated topic and OP is free to do as they please in that regards, but isn't it slightly hypocritical to complain about "abuse of power" and then abuse your self-moderation "power" by simply deleting one side of the debate?

I have seen many posts quoted (and responded to) prior to being deleted.

Perhaps the deletions are to prevent the thread from being derailed.

[cryptohunter]

That is indeed another possible explanation...

However, if one looks at the first page of this thread, it is now essentially just posts from the "For" side of this thread. All other replies were deleted and while it is true that remnants of some posts from other parties remain as quotes, you can never be sure that those quotes have not been modified nor taken out of context as the original post is now missing.

I think it is reasonable to have this as self moderated since the DT members all have nearly everyone of their threads as self moderated and now even try to impose this "local rules" or self moderated nonsense in meta.

There really can only be a "for" side of this argument since it is a collaboration to have DT trust abusers removed from the trust system. Unless they undo their PROVEN trust abuse then there is no need for an "against" side of the argument. This is simply a union to have them removed. There is no need to listed to them nor their "supporters" explain or tell us they can abuse the trust system and also stay there.

It isn't really a shall we remove lauda and other proven trust abusers from the trust system. It is a remove lauda and proven trust abusers kind of thread. No debate is really called for on a call to action thread. There can be suggestions of other tactics to get them out or spoil their reign of untrustworthy abuse though so if anyone wishes to post along those lines I am sure it will remain and not be removed.

[Timelord2067]

OP's resistance movement didn't reach anything near DT1 Ranking, and it looks like he gave up.

While I don't condone H8bussesNbicycles methods I would hazard a guess they are going to be more successful than you imagine given s/he is amassing UID alts to which both yourself, darkstar_ and mikeywith have effectively given him/her the green light to use those alts to bump up their overall DT trust starting (here) and continuing (here).

I'm not going to say anything which might be construed as guiding H8bussesNbicycles - I don't need to - you three have already shown H8bussesNbicycles the path to take.

(Archived)

[cryptohunter]

I'm pretty sure the OP realised without the 250 cycled gamed merits then any direct removal at this time was not going to happen straight away.

This is merely a good thread that people when abused with red trust over a non scam related matter can join and together plenty of other actions can be taken when there is the will to do so.

Trying to operate within a broken and gamed system against those already entrenched deeply and controlling that system is not going to work out well.

Better to aim to get the broken system fixed.

[cryptohunter]

bump for more discussion.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

i will have 10 merits soon

I set my trust list back to default. I'm not committed to projects of founders that themselves are not committed.

quitter

OP's resistance movement didn't reach anything near DT1 Ranking, and it looks like he gave up.

it helped

I'm pretty sure the OP realised without the 250 cycled gamed merits then any direct removal at this time was not going to happen straight away.

This is merely a good thread that people when abused with red trust over a non scam related matter can join and together plenty of other actions can be taken when there is the will to do so.

it will take time

can you help by pointing abused users you see to this thread ?

In all fairness; H8bussesNbicycles deleted many of their replies. Where is he anyway? Looks like he tried to start a fire and ran away from it.

What a situation; if you cannot trust people with negative Lauda clique trust anymore, then who can you trust on this forum?  

where is satoshi ?


bump
use the list

[actisstupidname]

This post by Cøbra, Bitcointalk.org domain owner, is the bomb. I just wonder when will the tolerance of these guys finally break?   Maybe you gentlemen can contact him to tell your side of the story.

-snip-

Merited by suchmoon (9), bones261 (2), vapourminer (1), ETFbitcoin (1)

Such a waste of merit. Nothing Cobra said reflects reality; I presume the users lack Bitcoin tech-related knowledge. I'm more inclined to believe that you are a state-sponsored actor, especially given that you keep repeating provably false claims.

Your replies here aren't contributing anything of substance to the discussion. Go and busy yourself with fucking with people's trust ratings and causing drama on here as you are inclined to do, and let me and Greg go around in circles in a pointless internet dick swinging competition until one of us gives up or admits we're wrong.

[The-One-Above-All]

This post by Cøbra, Bitcointalk.org domain owner, is the bomb. I just wonder when will the tolerance of these guys finally break?   Maybe you gentlemen can contact him to tell your side of the story.

-snip-

Merited by suchmoon (9), bones261 (2), vapourminer (1), ETFbitcoin (1)

Such a waste of merit. Nothing Cobra said reflects reality; I presume the users lack Bitcoin tech-related knowledge. I'm more inclined to believe that you are a state-sponsored actor, especially given that you keep repeating provably false claims.

Your replies here aren't contributing anything of substance to the discussion. Go and busy yourself with fucking with people's trust ratings and causing drama on here as you are inclined to do, and let me and Greg go around in circles in a pointless internet dick swinging competition until one of us gives up or admits we're wrong.

 

I think cøbra knows, like theymos knows, that lauda et al are scammers and liars. He (lauda) uses red trust in an attempt to prevent any kind of analysis of his history here. You will notice Tman, owlcatz and yogg are always there to pile on additional red trust, if you start digging into their past. Yogg I am particularly looking at. He is certainly connected to them or is perhaps an alt.
Theymos is actually treading on very thin ice. If those persons he was warned about in public several times and shown evidence of their untrustworthy past behavior. there is going to be some serious blow back on him if it was argued they leveraged their positions as DT to gain trust of any victims whilst using their position as DT to red trust and shutdown those that attempted to alert the community. Why? having knowledge of this did he allow them to remain?
It is difficult to know, what hold if any, lauda has on theymos to prevent him from blacklisting the entire group of scum. It would seem Lauda has no such hold on cøbra. we are hoping for some intervention from above. I believe that theymos is aiming to reduce his own involvement and accountability. which is smart, but lacks the courage to take affirmative action against obvious scammers and liars. This is could be a huge mistake.  I personally hope that theymos snaps out of it, before that happens,  has for years provided a base for crypto to thrive. he should not be taken down with those others.
Lauda with eventually become a pariah to anyone that works with him. His extensive list of attempted scams, schemes and lies are too well known to fade away.He is done here.

[actisstupidname]

It is difficult to know, what hold if any, lauda has on theymos

Oh, come on. It's no secret that theymos likes girls with short skirts and long tails.

Nope. Theymos loved Alia above all. Heart-breaking drama actually. You can see from that time, how supporters turned castigators were dumbfounded.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

if you would have listened to me in the first place and removed lauda as i suggested most of this mess right now on the forum wouldnt be happenein


lauda tman n owlcat need to go
vod to now that he is acting like a moron


all brown nose assmouthers of the gang will get whats coming to them when the forum rights itself but are not worth mentioning individualy
u know who u R


bump 4 i knew this forum would be in shreds with these asshats leading the gang


lauda is slipping hard right now
vod is sliping hard right now
end for them is near

[Thule]

Seems they’ve let you have access to the internet again. What do lunatic asylum’s allow you now, one hour a month, supervised?

Your master allowed you to post?

[H8bussesNbicycles]

if you would have listened to me in the first place and removed lauda as i suggested most of this mess right now on the forum wouldnt be happenein

Is this a threat ?

So let me rephrase that ... and tell me If I understand correctly :
You are telling us that unless you are satisfied with your demands, these shitshows will continue, as it happened for the last few months ? 

Waw.

prophesy ! and threat

has ben a nice calm day that laudais not here . theymos move to remove lauda . very good



vast % forum damaging drama cause by lauda

no lauda _____  drama decline

by by lauda





tman & owlcat silent lately



turkish have xclud lauda thread
english catch on xclud lauda to clean forum

[TheNewAnon135246]

Have you guys ever considered to start posting in English?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Have you guys ever considered to start posting in English?

Most of them are the same person, probably.

[suchmoon]

You don't get it... it's camouflage:

apology - have to hide writing type or be attack by dirty tactic

We're all obviously totally fooled and would never think that's cryptohunter's alt.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Have you guys ever considered to start posting in English?

LOL.  No criticism of language skills lest you be labeled as a racist or some other cunty label.  I swear, the English section ought to be for people who can actually communicate effectively in that language and not for idiots who learned it as a 4th language. 

But never mind me, I'm sure Lauda will end up on DT1 again despite Theymos's protest.  I respect Theymos greatly for not just pushing the nuke button on Lauda, which we all know he could do at any time.  He runs a fairly free forum and this is evidence of that.  Thule, cryptohunter, and all associated alt accounts can go gargle a salami.  Nobody is listening anymore.

[JeromeTash]

You don't get it... it's camouflage:

You are totally right.
For example the first Posts of OP were all written in good English and then all of a sudden they now post in a stupid language?

Obviously some sort of tactic 

[Quickseller]

I'm sure Lauda will end up on DT1 again despite Theymos's protest. 

I would be surprised if lauda is not currently blacklisted from DT1. I don't think he is the only one to have recently gotten blacklisted without personally requesting to be blacklisted.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I'm sure Lauda will end up on DT1 again despite Theymos's protest. 

I would be surprised if lauda is not currently blacklisted from DT1. I don't think he is the only one to have recently gotten blacklisted without personally requesting to be blacklisted.

Didn’t Lauda just get rotated out of DT1 in the now monthly process of 100 in & however many over 100 out?
If that is the case then Lauda will likely be back on DT1 next month.
I’m pretty sure suchmoon & The Pharmacist suffered the same fate plus a number of less high profile DT1’s.

[xolxol]

He got booted out because of the abusive use of the new flag system,theymos did it for a reason so stop whining jackass.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

He got booted out because of the abusive use of the new flag system,theymos did it for a reason so stop whining jackass.

I’m sorry pig, are you addressing me? I wasn’t moaning at all, I was stating what I believe happened. I think Lauda was rotated out of DT1 before he did the flag on QS. Happy to be proved wrong on this but I’m pretty sure it was pre flag gate.

theymos asked DT1’s to ~Lauda.
theymos did not blacklist Lauda from DT1, it’s a decentralised trust system, theymos doesn’t act like a dictator.

[xolxol]

He got booted out because of the abusive use of the new flag system,theymos did it for a reason so stop whining jackass.

I’m sorry pig, are you addressing me? I wasn’t moaning at all, I was stating what I believe happened. I think Lauda was rotated out of DT1 before he did the flag on QS. Happy to be proved wrong on this but I’m pretty sure it was pre flag gate.

theymos asked DT1’s to ~Lauda.
theymos did not blacklist Lauda from DT1, it’s a decentralised trust system, theymos doesn’t act like a dictator.

you left me retaliatory feedback when you got butthurt to what i said,stop whining your colleagues' abusive days are now limited and also you,
you're the reason why theymos is keep updating the system a shitface,asslicker like you shouldnt be on DT! what a clown

[Bitcoin_Arena]

He got booted out because of the abusive use of the new flag system,theymos did it for a reason so stop whining jackass.

theymos doesn’t act like a dictator.

well you're a smegma on lauda's dick,a parasite who lives in other's ass to keep you alive.FVckoff he's the admin of this forum not you not lauda so cry out loud.

Calmate...
There's no need to use such abusive and foul language.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

...snip...you're the reason why theymos is keep updating the system a shitface,asslicker like you shouldnt be on DT! what a clown

Silence!

You don’t even know what’s going on most of the time, you can clearly barely speak English.

[xolxol]

...snip...you're the reason why theymos is keep updating the system a shitface,asslicker like you shouldnt be on DT! what a clown

Silence!

You don’t even know what’s going on most of the time, you can clearly barely speak English.

whats the connection of not being a native speaker to the whole thing? i presume you're very well in english?yeah? try to speak spanish,or any language that you do not know very well.Racism is what you can do? hell yeah because  you're a dog of lauda, a shit eating douchebag.

[TheNewAnon135246]

...snip...you're the reason why theymos is keep updating the system a shitface,asslicker like you shouldnt be on DT! what a clown

Silence!

You don’t even know what’s going on most of the time, you can clearly barely speak English.

Don't interact with alt accounts. You are wasting your time and energy.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

nice & quiet
close to too boring



mission success

[Timelord2067]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

[hacker1001101001]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

OOO So you are taking credit to kick lauda out off DT1 !   Nice move btw !

[o_e_l_e_o]

No one tell them that Lauda is still on DT.

[LoyceV]

No one tell them that Lauda is still on DT.

Lauda's removal from DT1 actually increased Lauda's "strength" on DT:

Lauda had (2) net-inclusions on DT1.
Lauda now has 6 net-inclusions on DT2.
Lauda got blacklisted from DT1.

I have 2 scenarios
1: suppose Lauda wasn't blacklisted, but got 3 more exclusions from other DT1 members. That would mean Lauda was removed from DefaultTrust entirely.

2: the current state (Lauda blacklisted from DT1). Now suppose Lauda gets the same 3 exclusions from DT1. That would mean Lauda still has 3 net-inclusions on DT2 and remains on DefaultTrust.

This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT2 which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. This is probably caused by the fact that excluded DT1-members can vote against other DT1-members, but they can't vote against DT2-members.

[xolxol]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

[TheNewAnon135246]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

Are you from India?

[xolxol]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

Are you from India?

im from wakanda is there any problem? ³

[TheNewAnon135246]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

Are you from India?

im from wakanda is there any problem? ³

Your grammar.

[Timelord2067]

...

But Lauda removing his trust list (which occurred after my thread) cancels his ability to even be on the DT1.

No one tell them that Lauda is still on DT.

Possibly, but not DT1. (as above)

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

Sadly no. (Having said that I suspect he's set his login to remain logged in permanently so it'd be weeks of inactivity before we might begin to suspect such a thing had occurred)

Last post (so far) was yesterday. (for a coin he's promoting in a self moderated thread   )

[xolxol]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

Are you from India?

im from wakanda is there any problem? ³

Your grammar.

so im a shitposter now? did i broke rules with that? can you point it out so we would understand whats wrong with being a wakandian?having a shit grammar? is the reputation section prohibits it?if not eat your shit.

[Timelord2067]

im from wakanda is there any problem? ³

Your grammar.

so im a shitposter now? did i broke rules with that? can you point it out so we would understand whats wrong with being a wakandian?having a shit grammar? is the reputation section prohibits it?if not eat your shit.

That's a fair call... have some merit.

[TheNewAnon135246]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

Are you from India?

im from wakanda is there any problem? ³

Your grammar.

so im a shitposter now? did i broke rules with that? can you point it out so we would understand whats wrong with being a wakandian?having a shit grammar? is the reputation section prohibits it?if not eat your shit.

You're obviously a shitposter but I never said you are breaking any rules by poluting the forum with your Hindi-English. Perhaps you should stick to posting in Local sections until people can understand what you're trying to say.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

What exactly changed with Lauda not being DT1?
All of the retards supporting this thread are still weighed down by negative trust & ~ by anybody with a brain.
What exactly did this abomination of a thread achieve?

[suchmoon]

What exactly changed with Lauda not being DT1?
All of the retards supporting this thread are still weighed down by negative trust & ~ by anybody with a brain.
What exactly did this abomination of a thread achieve?

Look on the bright side - the scamshit douchenozzle who started it wasted their time in this harebrained scheme and had less time for scamming. Also got a merit farm exposed and a corrupt merit source busted.

[TheNewAnon135246]

What exactly changed with Lauda not being DT1?
All of the retards supporting this thread are still weighed down by negative trust & ~ by anybody with a brain.
What exactly did this abomination of a thread achieve?

Look on the bright side - the scamshit douchenozzle who started it wasted their time in this harebrained scheme and had less time for scamming. Also got a merit farm exposed and a corrupt merit source busted.

Does this mean we have to vote him into DT1?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

What exactly changed with Lauda not being DT1?
All of the retards supporting this thread are still weighed down by negative trust & ~ by anybody with a brain.
What exactly did this abomination of a thread achieve?

Look on the bright side - the scamshit douchenozzle who started it wasted their time in this harebrained scheme and had less time for scamming. Also got a merit farm exposed and a corrupt merit source busted.

Some good came from it all then

[suchmoon]

Does this mean we have to vote him into DT1?

Yes, of course, with the wiggly vote:

~H8bussesNbicycles

[xolxol]

nice & quiet
close to too boring

mission success

Perhaps before you go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back you should give credit where credit is due here )you're all talk and no action by the way).

[Archive]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

Are you from India?

im from wakanda is there any problem? ³

Your grammar.

so im a shitposter now? did i broke rules with that? can you point it out so we would understand whats wrong with being a wakandian?having a shit grammar? is the reputation section prohibits it?if not eat your shit.

your Hindi-English.

Come to wakanda section and try to speak with our language,you're a racist son of a whore you deserved to be part of Lauda's gang,ass licking dog.

[xolxol]

What exactly changed with Lauda not being DT1?
All of the retards supporting this thread are still weighed down by negative trust & ~ by anybody with a brain.
What exactly did this abomination of a thread achieve?

Its not about lauda,its all about abusive people like you and your colleagues,if the head wasnt cutoff guys like you will still abuse the system,esp labiamajora like you will continue.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

hell yeah because  you're a dog of lauda, a shit eating douchebag.

you're a racist son of a whore you deserved to be part of Lauda's gang,ass licking dog.

its all about abusive people like you and your colleagues

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black (or is that racist too?). Your post history has been nothing but abusive and insulting towards forum members, including hoping that one of them has died. This is obviously not your first account since even your first post is a rant about DT members. You have contributed absolutely nothing to this community besides causing polarization and wasting server disk space.

It's enlightening to see users like Timelord2067 showing their true colors by rewarding such behaviour.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

What exactly changed with Lauda not being DT1?
All of the retards supporting this thread are still weighed down by negative trust & ~ by anybody with a brain.
What exactly did this abomination of a thread achieve?

Its not about lauda,its all about abusive people like you and your colleagues,if the head wasnt cutoff guys like you will still abuse the system,esp labiamajora like you will continue.

I wish i could have known where this dickhead is living so that i could hire someone to put him down or atleast break his arms and legs ive got a couple of spare BTCs.

Can you show me where I’ve abused the system?
I left you negative trust for threatening behaviour towards another forum user.

[xolxol]

What exactly changed with Lauda not being DT1?
All of the retards supporting this thread are still weighed down by negative trust & ~ by anybody with a brain.
What exactly did this abomination of a thread achieve?

Its not about lauda,its all about abusive people like you and your colleagues,if the head wasnt cutoff guys like you will still abuse the system,esp labiamajora like you will continue.

I wish i could have known where this dickhead is living so that i could hire someone to put him down or atleast break his arms and legs ive got a couple of spare BTCs.

Can you show me where I’ve abused the system?
I left you negative trust for threatening behaviour towards another forum user.

Vod has left me negative feedback because im telling the truth about the abuses of DT members,then you copy pasted if because you're a jerk cumming jellybean,isnt that abuse? or you're just stupid to do it?look at the intervals of negative clearly you got butthurt thats why you left me too..abusive sperm.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully

hell yeah because  you're a dog of lauda, a shit eating douchebag.

you're a racist son of a whore you deserved to be part of Lauda's gang,ass licking dog.

its all about abusive people like you and your colleagues

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black (or is that racist too?). Your post history has been nothing but abusive and insulting towards forum members, including hoping that one of them has died. This is obviously not your first account since even your first post is a rant about DT members. You have contributed absolutely nothing to this community besides causing polarization and wasting server disk space.

It's enlightening to see users like Timelord2067 showing their true colors by rewarding such behaviour.

So TMAN's ass deserves negative too? because he have been insulting users too? thats why he isnt trusted by theymos himself? jerk off lady ,you wont give him negative because hes part of the crew.

You're doing a great job of making assumptions and generalizing standards/behaviour. Nowhere did I say that you deserve negative feedback nor have I left anyone else negative feedback merely for showing retarded behaviour.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Vod has left me negative feedback because im telling the truth about the abuses of DT members,then you copy pasted if because you're a jerk cumming jellybean,isnt that abuse? or you're just stupid to do it?look at the intervals of negative clearly you got butthurt thats why you left me too..abusive sperm.

Hinting at hiring a hitman to injure somebody on this forum = negative feedback as far as I’m concerned especially when you can acquire that service on the dark web which involves crypto.

[LoyceV]

Hinting at hiring a hitman to injure somebody on this forum = negative feedback as far as I’m concerned

Anything covered by forum rules should be handled by Mods:

Forum rules

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

I'd say hinting something ("I wish I'd know where he lives so I can do x") should be threated the same as a direct thread ("I'm going to do x"), and shouldn't get a free pass.
The post got deleted though, I don't know if it was done by a Mod or by xolxol himself.

[xolxol]

Hinting at hiring a hitman to injure somebody on this forum = negative feedback as far as I’m concerned

Anything covered by forum rules should be handled by Mods:

Forum rules

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

I'd say hinting something ("I wish I'd know where he lives so I can do x") should be threated the same as a direct thread ("I'm going to do x"), and shouldn't get a free pass.
The post got deleted though, I don't know if it was done by a Mod or by xolxol himself.

It was the mod,prolly someone is pissed with him too,LoyceV i respect you as you contributed in this forum a lot unlike to those morons in DT which doesnt have any programming skills who only posts shits in meta and reputation so that they can look USEFULto the forum.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Hinting at hiring a hitman to injure somebody on this forum = negative feedback as far as I’m concerned

Anything covered by forum rules should be handled by Mods:

Forum rules

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

I'd say hinting something ("I wish I'd know where he lives so I can do x") should be threated the same as a direct thread ("I'm going to do x"), and shouldn't get a free pass.
The post got deleted though, I don't know if it was done by a Mod or by xolxol himself.

It was the mod,prolly someone is pissed with him too,LoyceV i respect you as you contributed in this forum a lot unlike to those morons in DT which doesnt have any programming skills who only posts shits in meta and reputation so that they can look USEFULto the forum.

"It was the mod".

No it wasn't, don't lie. EDIT: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

[LoyceV]

"It was the mod".

No it wasn't, don't lie. EDIT: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

It's a post from (exactly!) a year ago:

I wish i could have known where this dickhead is living so that i could hire someone to put him down or atleast break his arms and legs ive got a couple of spare BTCs.

What a waste of money. Even if these weren't empty threats, are you seriously going to use all that effort for someone who is mostly irrelevant in your life? It seems childish.

I didn't scrape modlog yet back then, so I can't verify it myself.

[TheNewAnon135246]

"It was the mod".

No it wasn't, don't lie. EDIT: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

It's a post from (exactly!) a year ago:

I wish i could have known where this dickhead is living so that i could hire someone to put him down or atleast break his arms and legs ive got a couple of spare BTCs.

What a waste of money. Even if these weren't empty threats, are you seriously going to use all that effort for someone who is mostly irrelevant in your life? It seems childish.

I didn't scrape modlog yet back then, so I can't verify it myself.

I saw the original post a few hours ago so it was deleted today. That means it should show up in the mod log, regardless of when the post was originally made right?

[xolxol]

"It was the mod".

No it wasn't, don't lie. EDIT: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

It's a post from (exactly!) a year ago:

I wish i could have known where this dickhead is living so that i could hire someone to put him down or atleast break his arms and legs ive got a couple of spare BTCs.

What a waste of money. Even if these weren't empty threats, are you seriously going to use all that effort for someone who is mostly irrelevant in your life? It seems childish.

I didn't scrape modlog yet back then, so I can't verify it myself.

I saw the original post a few hours ago so it was deleted today. That means it should show up in the mod log, regardless of when the post was originally made right?

Dont be a techsavy shithoe,i never deleted my posts i mean what i say and i say you're useless in this forum.LoyceV and Hilariousandco are the only ones who deserved their positions.

[peloso]

also i ask LoyceV
why you distrusted me? i never communicated with you
the reason is my fight with Lauda?
why?

[LoyceV]

also i ask LoyceV
why you distrusted me?

I made a topic for this: Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?:

Currently excluded
~peloso
A red trusted Merit abuser who's trying a hostile takeover of DT to clear his red trust.

[TheNewAnon135246]

"It was the mod".

No it wasn't, don't lie. EDIT: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

It's a post from (exactly!) a year ago:

I wish i could have known where this dickhead is living so that i could hire someone to put him down or atleast break his arms and legs ive got a couple of spare BTCs.

What a waste of money. Even if these weren't empty threats, are you seriously going to use all that effort for someone who is mostly irrelevant in your life? It seems childish.

I didn't scrape modlog yet back then, so I can't verify it myself.

I saw the original post a few hours ago so it was deleted today. That means it should show up in the mod log, regardless of when the post was originally made right?

can you shutup wannabe? it was on 2018,not today its 2019 already you're a year late.Who's the liar now? you saw the posts few hours ago? funny Haaaaa 

Are you aware that you can click the date of a quote and it links you to the thread? Your post wasn't removed this morning so if a mod deleted it it should show up in the mod log.

[actmyname]

Are you aware that you can click the date of a quote and it links you to the thread? Your post wasn't removed this morning so if a mod deleted it it should show up in the mod log.

Delete reply: Re: ▄▀▄ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT ▄▀▄▀▄▀▄ in topic #5103988 by member #2061615 is the only one in the recent logs.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Are you aware that you can click the date of a quote and it links you to the thread? Your post wasn't removed this morning so if a mod deleted it it should show up in the mod log.

Delete reply: Re: ▄▀▄ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT ▄▀▄▀▄▀▄ in topic #5103988 by member #2061615 is the only one in the recent logs.

The post was made in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4905217.msg44419708#msg44419708

"Re: Shit eaters Lauda and Pharmacist- Ban need to executed on these people" didn't show up in the mod log. He is lying.

[actmyname]

"Re: Shit eaters Lauda and Pharmacist- Ban need to executed on these people" didn't show up in the mod log. He is lying.

Mod logs can get filled pretty quickly. Especially with lots of deleted replies. I do know that about 1500 reports were sorted out between now and yesterday.

[TheNewAnon135246]

"Re: Shit eaters Lauda and Pharmacist- Ban need to executed on these people" didn't show up in the mod log. He is lying.

Mod logs can get filled pretty quickly. Especially with lots of deleted replies. I do know that about 1500 reports were sorted out between now and yesterday.

I checked the log an hour after the post was deleted. Perhaps Loyce can pull up a full log but I'm pretty certain he deleted it for being called out and is now blaming someone else (as he does throughout his post history).

[suchmoon]

"Re: Shit eaters Lauda and Pharmacist- Ban need to executed on these people" didn't show up in the mod log. He is lying.

Mod logs can get filled pretty quickly. Especially with lots of deleted replies. I do know that about 1500 reports were sorted out between now and yesterday.

AFAIK modlog goes back 7 days.

[actmyname]

AFAIK modlog goes back 7 days.

Yeah, it's by some day-based period. Just checked to see that the modlog covers over 10K entries. I remember it being a month some time ago, though. :/

Seclog maybe.

[LoyceV]

~ after the post was deleted.

Are you sure you didn't just read the original quoted? That's what I did

Perhaps Loyce can pull up a full log

I can't, if it's not archived somewhere only Admin can check it.

[TheNewAnon135246]

~ after the post was deleted.

Are you sure you didn't just read the original quoted? That's what I did

I am confident I read it in the original thread. I wanted to read its context since the post was made a year ago.

[xolxol]

~ after the post was deleted.

Are you sure you didn't just read the original quoted? That's what I did

I am confident I read it in the original thread. I wanted to read its context since the post was made a year ago.

I am confident that you're being delusional,stupid and a piece of shit now go to bed early and dont wake up ok?

[Timelord2067]

Wankety wank

Wow, you're actually using the "if it's ok for him to do it, then it's ok for me to as well" defence...

@TheNewAnon135246 be sure to lemmie know when you have finished editing your rant post.  My reply will still be the same: truth hurts.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Wankety wank

Wow, you're actually using the "if it's ok for him to do it, then it's ok for me to as well" defence...

@TheNewAnon135246 be sure to lemmie know when you have finished editing your rant post.  My reply will still be the same: truth hurts.

Yes, it hurts terribly.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

This thread is embarrassing, it needs locking so it can slide to page 1000. It’s not serving a purpose & some of the lower ranked accounts (shills) posting here are really cringeworthy.

[xolxol]

This thread is embarrassing, it needs locking so it can slide to page 1000. It’s not serving a purpose & some of the lower ranked accounts (shills) posting here are really cringeworthy.

Embarassing to those who are affected like lauda's moronic gang,get lost pigface.

[LoyceV]

This thread is the reason I made this:

IsLaudaStillOnDT.tk
Updates 3 times per hour.

[Timelord2067]

This thread is embarrassing, it needs locking so it can slide to page 1000. It’s not serving a purpose & some of the lower ranked accounts (shills) posting here are really cringeworthy.

Embarassing to those who are affected like lauda's moronic gang,get lost pigface.

No merit for that post...

some of the lower ranked accounts (shills) posting here are really cringeworthy

...and not so low-ranked members either...

Yes, it hurts terribly.

Would you like a cookie?

This thread is the reason I made this:

IsLaudaStillOnDT.tk
Updates 3 times per hour.

My eyes!

[H8bussesNbicycles]

This thread is embarrassing, it needs locking so it can slide to page 1000. It’s not serving a purpose & some of the lower ranked accounts (shills) posting here are really cringeworthy.

make me an offer


if u are buthuurt about this thread you might be part of the problem

[Timelord2067]

if u are buthuurt about this thread you might be part of the problem

Well said - have some merit.

This thread is the reason I made this:

IsLaudaStillOnDT.tk
Updates 3 times per hour.

Speaking of which, how much for islaudastillondt.tk/Timelord2067    

[H8bussesNbicycles]

mission success

blacklist louda from dt1 is not enough

this method can wreck all supporters &dt2












up

[The-One-Above-All]

mission success

blacklist louda from dt1 is not enough

this method can wreck all supporters &dt2












up

Black listing lauda was a joke, even theymos must be able to notice that blacklisting from DT1 actually does NOTHING. Why was he not blacklisted from default trust entirely? His abuse still stands and according to loyceV lauda is MORE entrenched in DT than ever now.

[LoyceV]

@H8bussesNbicycles: when do you take me off your list? I haven't qualified in many months!

according to loyceV lauda is MORE entrenched in DT than ever now.

Lauda's position on DT has been much stronger, but it's true Lauda wouldn't be on DT now without being excluded from DT1:

According to IsLaudaStillOnDT.tk:

YEP.

Lauda is on DT2 with 1 inclusions.

Now check Lauda's Trust inclusions and exclusions from DT1 (data from last Saturday morning's data dump):

Trust list for: Lauda (Trust: +34 / =3 / -1) (1209 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-11-23_Sat_06.13h)
Back to index

Lauda Trusts these users' judgement:
-

Lauda Distrusts these users' judgement:
-

Lauda's judgement is Trusted by:
5. qwk (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 1191 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Anduck (Trust: +19 / =2 / -1) (DT1! (4) 55 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. DiamondCardz (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 86 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. philipma1957 (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 980 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. hybridsole (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 259 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. hilariousandco (Trust: +17 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (37) 688 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. Avirunes (Trust: +10 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (8) 265 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. owlcatz (Trust: +40 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (23) 240 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
36. sapta (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 177 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
37. BitcoinPenny (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 569 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
44. ezeminer (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 95 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
57. asu (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 508 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
69. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
71. crwth (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 471 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
78. roycilik (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1055 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
83. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
97. pandukelana2712 (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 923 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
99. asche (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 803 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
104. TalkStar (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 390 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Lauda's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. theymos (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (59) 5786 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. gmaxwell (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 1742 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. TECSHARE (Trust: +37 / =4 / -1) (DT1 (-3) 540 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. OgNasty (Trust: +84 / =2 / -5) (DT1! (5) 741 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. babo (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 285 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. TookDk (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 39 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
42. arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
44. mindrust (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (4) 619 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
52. redsn0w (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 40 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
58. Rmcdermott927 (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 47 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
64. nutildah (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1471 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
80. zazarb (Trust: +23 / =0 / -1) (DT1 (-3) 482 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
90. WhiteManWhite (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (5) 85 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
101. kzv (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 555 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
104. TheFuzzStone (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 736 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
125. bobita (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
142. Goran_ (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (2) 832 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
178. chimk (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 696 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
212. fillippone (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1703 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
213. taikuri13 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1042 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

The result:
19 inclusions
20 exclusions

The reason: TECSHARE and zazarb are on DT1, but excluded by other DT1s. That means they can still vote to exclude other DT1-members, but they can't "downvote" DT2-members (because their vote doesn't count there).
I've posted before asking if this is the intended behaviour, but theymos never responded. I'm still curious to know if this is a a flaw or done on purpose.

[H8bussesNbicycles]

when do you take me off your list?

y do you care ?

y don't u ~ lauda    ?

[LoyceV]

when do you take me off your list?

y do you care ?

It adds more work to my scraper
And you wrote this:

if you dont want to be excluded on this mass list remove your inclusion of lauda tman and owlcatz and it will be updated without your exclusion

And yet, I'm on the list. May I challenge you to show any feedback left by me that you disagree with is incorrect?

updated list 2/2/19 <- now also include opposite of lauda personal trust list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0

y don't u ~ lauda    ?

If that's the reason, you can exclude 2.7 million accounts.

[Excimer]

Tell me please, is Foxpup an alt of suchmoon? Or they undependent Lauda's henchmans?

this is foolproof

if you want lauda tman and owlcatz off of dt this is how you accomplish that goal

add this to all of your trust lists

How to add it to trustlist? Help me

[examplens]

Tell me please, is Foxpup an alt of suchmoon? Or they undependent Lauda's henchmans?

this is foolproof

if you want lauda tman and owlcatz off of dt this is how you accomplish that goal

add this to all of your trust lists

How to add it to trustlist? Help me

Yes, you noticed it well. suchmoon next to Foxpup control many of hos alt account, last known number is around 644. Otherwise, on this forum is around 7-8 real people which control almost all accounts, don't worry, everything is under control.

btw. If you want to create your own personal trust list, go to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
then in the box add what you want. For example, if you trust to suchmoon judgement just add his username there. If you want to distrust someone, just add ~ before his username, for example, ~Excimer. 

[Timelord2067]

btw. If you want to create your own personal trust list, go to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
then in the box add what you want. For example, if you trust to suchmoon judgement just add his username there. If you want to distrust someone, just add ~ before his username, for example, ~Excimer. 

To build on examplens' example, once you have ten merits, your "vote" counts in the default trust.

e.g. Here: https://loyce.club/trust/ranking/131361.html I have sixteen UID's who's merit count is ten or above.  This list is those who "Vote" me into qualifying for DT1 which I am on this month.

If you click on my user name at the top left of page, you are taken to the current weeks' breakdown of trust Vs distrust.  This is the current week for me: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/131361.html

Because you are distrusted via trust feedback by those people, it is very likely they will in turn give you distrust via the default trust (not to be confused with trust feedback) should you choose to start making your default trust votes known.  Without you knowing it, people will discuss you're being on DT - I just found this perfect example which I am reading for the very first time (I was just trying to find the link for my reasoning why I removed some UID's, but instead found that link).  You shouldn't worry about whether they are talking about you or not, they're going to talk anyway via PM or in open forum.



As with Bitcoin SV u=2371095 all the negative trust feedback is just pissing on someones wall.  Where the "real" power plays go on is in the default trust.  I rarely change my trust list (that is to say those I trust), the last time I did so was eleven weeks ago reducing my trust list by one third.


I recommend you read LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system but give you some friendly advice:  You are just one vote.  Trying to manipulate the DT system by generating zombie alts to vote up one main alt will land you in all kinds of trouble.  It's not a threat, it's a given.