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November 02, 2019, 07:41:56 PM |
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It's not flawless though, there are for instance still 4 banned users on DT2:
What system is  I would have to go look through their feedback and what not, but it might still be valuable enough to deserve to be included within someone's trust list. If they are aware it is a banned individual though I guess as DT-1 or even a candidate they should mirror what they agree with and then remove the banned user from their list. I'm trying to be a little more open minded to the nuances of this system, up to and including making an argument for a perma-banned user to be on DT-2... kinda felt dirty just typing that. I think I came to this thought when it was apparent that some users were deserving of a second chance when a year or two ago they would have likely never received that opportunity. Just realized Ban's still aren't visible on a profile, it really should be stated on a profile page... but that's a different topic.
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LoyceV
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November 02, 2019, 07:47:46 PM |
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I would have to go look through their feedback and what not, but it might still be valuable enough to deserve to be included within someone's trust list. The first one has left a lot of positive feedback. The other 3 haven't left any feedback at all. Those last 3 aren't really a problem for the Trust system, but it's not helping either.
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November 02, 2019, 07:56:37 PM |
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I realized a couple weeks ago that I met the DT1 requirements other than for having a custom list (which I had gotten rid of despite having one before), so conjured one up to the best of my ability. I'm not sure how long I'll be on DT1 because I'll be negating people off my trust list who I think blatantly abuse the system, and once I start doing that they'll likely negate me too which could make me drop off - but ah well, I think it's more important to make clear my thoughts on people using the trust system for things such as "I disagree with what this person says".
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November 02, 2019, 08:15:35 PM |
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This seems to me the system is working as intended and spreading out the Default trust as opposed to having it be a core group.
It's not flawless though, there are for instance still 4 banned users on DT2: Wouldn't a simple solution to this be that if you're banned you're no longer eligible for DT1 and DT2?
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Steamtyme
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November 02, 2019, 08:23:00 PM |
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I would have to go look through their feedback and what not, but it might still be valuable enough to deserve to be included within someone's trust list. The first one has left a lot of positive feedback. The other 3 haven't left any feedback at all. Those last 3 aren't really a problem for the Trust system, but it's not helping either. Yeah I looked it over quickly I agree with you, looks like the first is an older account that was involved in group buys or something while older feedback is still relevant, there's nothing there that seems to be enough to need them on a trust list. The other three don't have any value for the system overall and if they were their based on their judgement in posting and advice, they can't do it anymore so are doing nothing, apart from potentially filling a spot on the 10 required for a personal trust list. I was more making a general comment that there could be cases where banned doesn't mean poor judgement in regards to feedback. I think it's more important to make clear my thoughts on people using the trust system for things such as "I disagree with what this person says".
Agreed, It's definitely best to make a list that represents your judgement rather than worrying about remaining or earning a spot on DT. Wouldn't a simple solution to this be that if you're banned you're no longer eligible for DT1 and DT2?
Could be, then the users who agree with ratings just have to go back and duplicate the feedback they deem relevant. It would probably have to become a larger issue than it currently is before anything like that happens
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November 03, 2019, 12:43:46 AM |
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Theymos has just updated DT1, these are the changes: Well, shoot. Looks like I missed the deadline to get one post in during a 30 day period. That's what I get for taking a long break. Now I have all of these merits to dispose of as well. Did anyone miss me? (I doubt it.  )
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November 03, 2019, 01:02:21 AM |
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Well, shoot. Looks like I missed the deadline to get one post in during a 30 day period. That's what I get for taking a long break. Now I have all of these merits to dispose of as well. Did anyone miss me? (I doubt it.  ) Funny you should say that. I browsed your post history a couple of days ago looking for hints of you building a seastead or something  . Definitely miss my fellow merit-circling DT-abusing Meta/WO resident. You did have posts within 30 days though (last one October 7). Perhaps it was the "must have been online sometime within the last 3 days" rule that kicked you out.
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November 03, 2019, 01:11:03 AM Last edit: November 03, 2019, 01:25:28 AM by Last of the V8s |
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Yah bones mic was asking after you in the WO. I did see signs of life so I left it. How you been? Where you been? I think that nutildah guy needs merits btw. edit: oh hey there's also the art thing for your merit love https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.0edit2 the sequel: bloons? man that's addictive
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November 03, 2019, 01:17:14 AM Last edit: November 03, 2019, 01:35:44 AM by bones261 |
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Funny you should say that. I browsed your post history a couple of days ago looking for hints of you building a seastead or something  . Definitely miss my fellow merit-circling DT-abusing Meta/WO resident. You did have posts within 30 days though (last one October 7). Perhaps it was the "must have been online sometime within the last 3 days" rule that kicked you out. I wish that I had the BTC to set up a seastead.  Atm I only have something like 2 bitcents left. It's one of the reasons that I decided to lose my signature. Gambling just isn't something that I should be immersed in. Although I will still be keeping tabs on the Game protect thread. (I won't become one of his clients though.) However, although I'm BTC poor, I'm rich in source merit to give out. I have well over 300 to give out. Yah bones mic was asking after you in the WO. I did see signs of life so I left it. How you been? Where you been? I think that nutildah guy needs merits btw.
Just taking a break. Played lots of Candy Crush and some game with monkeys popping balloons. edit2 the sequel: bloons? man that's addictive
I'm playing TD5 on my desktop. I still have an iphone 5 and the screen is too small to play games.
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November 03, 2019, 01:31:34 AM |
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I'm rich in source merit to give out. I have well over 300 to give out.
Head over to the art thread like V8 said, just start from the end because otherwise you're gonna run out before you get to the good stuff.
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LoyceV
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November 28, 2019, 05:33:10 PM Merited by DireWolfM14 (1) |
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Lauda had (2) net-inclusions on DT1. Lauda now has 6 net-inclusions on DT2. Lauda got blacklisted from DT1.
I have 2 scenarios 1: suppose Lauda wasn't blacklisted, but got 3 more exclusions from other DT1 members. That would mean Lauda was removed from DefaultTrust entirely.
2: the current state (Lauda blacklisted from DT1). Now suppose Lauda gets the same 3 exclusions from DT1. That would mean Lauda still has 3 net-inclusions on DT2 and remains on DefaultTrust.
This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT2 which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. This is probably caused by the fact that excluded DT1-members can vote against other DT1-members, but they can't vote against DT2-members. Is that the intended behaviour of the DefaultTrust system? I was reminded about this by The-One-Above-All. It turns out LoyceMobile's scenario became reality: According to IsLaudaStillOnDT.tk: YEP.
Lauda is on DT2 with 1 inclusions. Now check Lauda's Trust inclusions and exclusions from DT1 (data from last Saturday morning's data dump): The result: 19 inclusions 20 exclusions The reason: TECSHARE and zazarb are on DT1, but excluded by other DT1s. That means they can still vote to exclude other DT1-members, but they can't "downvote" DT2-members (because their vote doesn't count there). I've posted before asking if this is the intended behaviour, but theymos never responded. I'm still curious to know if this is a a flaw or done on purpose. Note that Lauda wouldn't be on DT1 even without being excluded by theymos: emptying your own Trust list disqualifies you already.
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December 03, 2019, 06:55:01 PM |
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December 03, 2019, 06:59:53 PM |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg53252158#msg53252158Removed: dooglus Foxpup babo Flying Hellfish TookDk dbshck mindrust redsn0w suchmoon yahoo62278 ezeminer DarkStar_ bob123 finaleshot2016 xtraelv krogothmanhattan Blacknavy Goran_ Silent26 tvplus006 gospodin DdmrDdmr fillippone taikuri13 madnessteat 1miau Added: HostFat CanaryInTheMine fronti monkeynuts peloso vizique Timelord2067 yogg willi9974 JayJuanGee teeGUMES LFC_Bitcoin digicoinuser klarki The Pharmacist TryNinja eddie13 duesoldi otto_diesel AlyattesLydia PHI1618 mosprognoz Veleor 3meek cabalism13 anonymousminer Alex_Sr
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December 03, 2019, 07:00:37 PM |
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New DT1 is out, and Fillippone is out again! Bad luck!
No, it's the new normal (emphasis mine): This month 124 users were eligible.
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December 03, 2019, 08:08:54 PM Last edit: December 03, 2019, 08:33:09 PM by LoyceV Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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I haven't checked your list, but are you sure it's correct? One more user was added than removed.Update: arulbero should be among the removed. Allow me to add some links and more information to your post (and add arulbero):
I have 11 snapshots of users on DT1 (ignoring internal exclusions). I think I'm only missing the very first DT1-distribution (right when this topic was created, I wasn't on DT1 back then). If someone's interested, these are all the users who've been on DT1 in the past 10 months (and the coming 1 month). The number in front of each name shows how many months they were on DT1 (again: they could have been excluded within DT1): 11 tmfp 11 theymos 11 sapta 11 qwk 11 owlcatz 11 o_e_l_e_o 11 mprep 11 hilariousandco 11 cryptodevil 11 coinlocket$ 11 asche 11 Welsh 11 TheFuzzStone 11 Mitchell 11 LoyceV 11 Lesbian Cow 11 Lafu 11 Jet Cash 11 Cyrus 11 Coolcryptovator 10 yahoo62278 10 xtraelv 10 taikuri13 10 philipma1957 10 krogothmanhattan 10 hybridsole 10 gmaxwell 10 bL4nkcode 10 actmyname 10 achow101 10 TheNewAnon135246 10 TECSHARE 10 OgNasty 10 LeGaulois 10 HostFat 10 Alex_Sr 9 zazarb 9 yogg 9 vizique 9 suchmoon 9 nutildah 9 malevolent 9 greenplastic 9 dbshck 9 chimk 9 WhiteManWhite 9 Vod 9 Veleor 9 Ticked 9 The Pharmacist 9 TMAN 9 Kryptowerk 9 DdmrDdmr 9 DarkStar_ 9 Dabs 9 BitcoinPenny 9 Avirunes 9 1miau 8 willi9974 8 theyoungmillionaire 8 roycilik 8 morvillz7z 8 monkeynuts 8 iasenko 8 dazedfool 8 buckrogers 8 Rmcdermott927 8 MaoChao 8 LFC_Bitcoin 8 Foxpup 7 teeGUMES 7 polymerbit 7 pandukelana2712 7 micgoossens 7 kzv 7 ezeminer 7 crwth 7 bones261 7 anonymousminer 7 abhiseshakana 7 Gunthar 7 DireWolfM14 7 Anduck 6 witcher_sense 6 redsn0w 6 phantastisch 6 minerjones 6 mindrust 6 lovesmayfamilis 6 by rallier 6 TookDk 6 SebastianJu 6 Micio 6 ICOEthics 6 Hhampuz 6 Flying Hellfish 5 ibminer 5 finaleshot2016 5 fillippone 5 bobita 5 bavicrypto 5 arulbero 5 Lydian 5 Lauda 5 Halab 5 EcuaMobi 4 dooglus 4 bill gator 4 babo 4 asu 4 Silent26 4 DIKUL 3 mole0815 3 kenzawak 3 Vispilio 3 TalkStar 3 Piggy 3 PHI1618 3 JollyGood 3 CanaryInTheMine 3 AlyattesLydia 3 Ale88 2 wolwoo 2 tvplus006 2 mhanbostanci 2 madnessteat 2 hedgy73 2 gospodin 2 ekiller 2 be.open 2 Matthias9515 2 Last of the V8s 2 JohnUser 2 JayJuanGee 2 Goran_ 2 DiamondCardz 2 Blazed 1 peloso 1 otto_diesel 1 mosprognoz 1 mikeywith 1 klarki 1 fronti 1 eddie13 1 duesoldi 1 digicoinuser 1 cabalism13 1 bob123 1 TryNinja 1 Tomatocage 1 Timelord2067 1 Kalemder 1 Hellmouth42 1 Blacknavy 1 3meek Only 20 users haven't ever lost the DT1-lottery (yet).
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December 03, 2019, 08:26:14 PM |
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I haven't checked your list, but are you sure it's correct? One more user was added than removed.
arulbero should be among the removed.
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December 03, 2019, 09:30:37 PM |
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I have 11 snapshots of users on DT1 (ignoring internal exclusions). I think I'm only missing the very first DT1-distribution (right when this topic was created, I wasn't on DT1 back then). If someone's interested, these are all the users who've been on DT1 in the past 10 months (and the coming 1 month). The number in front of each name shows how many months they were on DT1 (again: they could have been excluded within DT1): 11 tmfp 11 theymos 11 sapta 11 qwk 11 owlcatz 11 o_e_l_e_o 11 mprep 11 hilariousandco 11 cryptodevil 11 coinlocket$ 11 asche 11 Welsh 11 TheFuzzStone 11 Mitchell 11 LoyceV 11 Lesbian Cow 11 Lafu 11 Jet Cash 11 Cyrus 11 Coolcryptovator Only 20 users haven't ever lost the DT1-lottery (yet). And what a strange bunch we are.
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December 03, 2019, 09:32:20 PM |
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Top 20 master race checking in.
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December 03, 2019, 09:39:44 PM |
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You tagged me in! I’ve been out twice too, meh don’t worry about it, you’ll be back next month buddy.
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December 03, 2019, 09:48:26 PM Last edit: December 03, 2019, 10:02:57 PM by fillippone Merited by LFC_Bitcoin (2) |
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You tagged me in! I’ve been out twice too, meh don’t worry about it, you’ll be back next month buddy. This is not granted btw. Already happened two months in a row exclusion, and as LoyceV says, that’s the new normal and being twice excluded is going to be more and more common. Probability to be excluded twice in a row with 100 selected out of 124 is 3.7%. Probability that any of the excluded this month is excluded again next month is 1-c(100,24)/c(124,24)=99,693% So yeah, definetly double exclusions are the new normal
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