⚽UEFA Europa League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 Winners: Eintracht Frankfurt!

[mv1986]

haha real
think people leave Bayern Munich - Manchester United (some years ago) last game of Champions
1 - 0 all whole time with Bayern domination


aaaaaand at 2-3 minuts from end, Manchester do 2 goals! and win!
aahahah

football/soccer for me is like a film i want to see for fun

that was a big disappointment. even in munich there were 40,000 fans celebrating the win. and then came the two goals from Sheringham and Solksjaer.
and both goals came after the 90th minute. the 90k spectators in Camp Nou were also very surprised. and as joker_josue wrote here:many had already left the stadium. yes yes.
there are always insane football games. and something like that will happen again in the future. and yes...that is the fascination of football.

@Soonandwaite Manchester United dit it back then, and they even repeated the feat in recent years as they stunned PSG by scoring a 94th minute goal which allowed them to progress ahead in the champions league. Also I feel we shall see more such moments next year because so many teams have changed coaches, and they’ll play with a different mindset and this could cause more goals being scored in the second half or towards end of the match.

But honestly speaking, that goal was so lucky. It wasn't even to watch that as it's not like United deserved it because they fought so hard. It just shows how close you sometimes are to making it to the next round or losing it all. Just look at the penalty shootout. It almost hurts to see one team will be there with empty hands after such a game. It is nice that Cavani extended his contract. He is a weapon if he is in good shape.

[joker_josue]

It is nice that Cavani extended his contract. He is a weapon if he is in good shape.

Cavani's problem is the holidays. Man can't go to Argentina, he just wants parties, girls, and nothing else. Then when the season resumes, you have to work harder (if you feel like it) to get in shape.
That's why he only starts to have good performances towards the middle of the season.

[Ebede]

i dont like the game
and i dont expect Manchester United is so slow (mentally, i mean in the mind)

i dont bet because at this level is hard to win a bet... congrats to villareal i'am happy for this tiny team
but i dont like this kind of game

long, boring, exhausting

It was really hard to make a bet, I agree with you on that. I actually thought Manchester Utd would win the title but still I didn't get the guts to bet on them.    And I'm really happy that I didn't now. Lastly, I agree with the boring part also.

Comparing these two teams everyone thought that Manchester United will be the champion. But they proved us wrong. And Villarreal is the champions now. Villarreal is played really great. I'm just disappointed to see manchester united playstyle. They should have played better. Hopefully we can see better gameplay from them next season.

Manchester United Coach making irregular decisions always,Rashy wasn't at he's best at all in that match, mean while Greenwood was not meant to be pulled out.
Congratulations to Villarreal!

[hahay]

It is nice that Cavani extended his contract. He is a weapon if he is in good shape.

Cavani's problem is the holidays. Man can't go to Argentina, he just wants parties, girls, and nothing else. Then when the season resumes, you have to work harder (if you feel like it) to get in shape.
That's why he only starts to have good performances towards the middle of the season.

I'm personally not sure if the problem is just about holidays, because when it comes to holidays I think other players are getting the same thing or at least not much different from him. Yesterday was his first season at Manchester United so yes I think that's natural and even so, Cavani was still able to score in yesterday's final and that is something great considering at his age that he is no longer young so there will be many factors to attention.

[mv1986]

It is nice that Cavani extended his contract. He is a weapon if he is in good shape.

Cavani's problem is the holidays. Man can't go to Argentina, he just wants parties, girls, and nothing else. Then when the season resumes, you have to work harder (if you feel like it) to get in shape.
That's why he only starts to have good performances towards the middle of the season.

I'm personally not sure if the problem is just about holidays, because when it comes to holidays I think other players are getting the same thing or at least not much different from him. Yesterday was his first season at Manchester United so yes I think that's natural and even so, Cavani was still able to score in yesterday's final and that is something great considering at his age that he is no longer young so there will be many factors to attention.

Sure attitude is enormously important, but Cavani has a lot of talent. He is also able to score unbelievable goals. The issue is his consistency. He isn't a striker who scores 30+ per season guaranteed, but if he scores 22, of those 22 at least 8 to 10 are unbelievable goals. It would be good to see him play a consistent season and along with Rashford they would be a strong offense.

[swogerino]

Cavani still has it and it is a really good player.Manchester United should only have to wait a bit as he will get in shape during the first stages of upcoming Premier League season,Manchester United will also be playing in Champions League where Cavani has excelled many times there with PSG and other teams he has played for.If he gets in shape which I believe he will this year we are going to see a great Premier League season with Manchester United being a strong contender since the beginning as they have really good attacking players.

[babo]

Manchester United Coach making irregular decisions always,Rashy wasn't at he's best at all in that match, mean while Greenwood was not meant to be pulled out.
Congratulations to Villarreal!

Agree with you irregular decisions sometime is good, sometime is bad.. the beauty of football/soccer
Some time a weak team, with passion.. win against strong team.. because (like i said before) is the beauty of this sport

at the moment, my preferred "moment" is a story/legend of Leichester
very magic story

[mv1986]

Manchester United Coach making irregular decisions always,Rashy wasn't at he's best at all in that match, mean while Greenwood was not meant to be pulled out.
Congratulations to Villarreal!

Agree with you irregular decisions sometime is good, sometime is bad.. the beauty of football/soccer
Some time a weak team, with passion.. win against strong team.. because (like i said before) is the beauty of this sport

at the moment, my preferred "moment" is a story/legend of Leichester
very magic story

But it's always hard to take someone like Rashford off. He is good for a goal in so many situations. No doubt Greenwood is awesome too, but imagine you would be the coach. Would you take Rashford out in a final? Very tough decision. Maybe the key for Villareal was that Manchester underestimated them because they themselves were in a pretty good shape.

[mv1986]

It is nice that Cavani extended his contract. He is a weapon if he is in good shape.

Cavani's problem is the holidays. Man can't go to Argentina, he just wants parties, girls, and nothing else. Then when the season resumes, you have to work harder (if you feel like it) to get in shape.
That's why he only starts to have good performances towards the middle of the season.

I'm personally not sure if the problem is just about holidays, because when it comes to holidays I think other players are getting the same thing or at least not much different from him. Yesterday was his first season at Manchester United so yes I think that's natural and even so, Cavani was still able to score in yesterday's final and that is something great considering at his age that he is no longer young so there will be many factors to attention.

When it comes to work ethics there are probably players that are better than Cavani. I don't want to give Ronaldo as an example because that guy is just crazy, but when it comes to scandals and longer vacations, it happens more often to Cavani. The issue is that it shows his mind set. These people give up earlier in games.

Neymar is a great example: he can play out of this world but also lose his mind completely and just give up and start playing bad being angry and so on. You have almost never ever seen Messi or Ronaldo or Lewandowski give up. They don't give up. Those guys also don't party. They are solely determined to be successful on the pitch.

[Trofo]

When it comes to work ethics there are probably players that are better than Cavani. I don't want to give Ronaldo as an example because that guy is just crazy, but when it comes to scandals and longer vacations, it happens more often to Cavani. The issue is that it shows his mind set. These people give up earlier in games.

Neymar is a great example: he can play out of this world but also lose his mind completely and just give up and start playing bad being angry and so on. You have almost never ever seen Messi or Ronaldo or Lewandowski give up. They don't give up. Those guys also don't party. They are solely determined to be successful on the pitch.

I am accepting first part of your argument about work ethics, Ronaldo and Messi are out of this world and they made what they did because they had talent and then worked harder than anyone to develop it to its full potential. That goes double for Ronaldo.

The part where they don't give up is absolutely not true. There is so many Messi games coming to my mind when you can see him with head down and totally out of a game. That goes hand in hand with that old Barca argument that they would be better team if they had a captain like Roy Keane or Puyol, that is the type of the guy that never gives up and would yell at his teammates and make them give their best as well. Messi is best player in the world but he is not that guy.

[mv1986]

When it comes to work ethics there are probably players that are better than Cavani. I don't want to give Ronaldo as an example because that guy is just crazy, but when it comes to scandals and longer vacations, it happens more often to Cavani. The issue is that it shows his mind set. These people give up earlier in games.

Neymar is a great example: he can play out of this world but also lose his mind completely and just give up and start playing bad being angry and so on. You have almost never ever seen Messi or Ronaldo or Lewandowski give up. They don't give up. Those guys also don't party. They are solely determined to be successful on the pitch.

I am accepting first part of your argument about work ethics, Ronaldo and Messi are out of this world and they made what they did because they had talent and then worked harder than anyone to develop it to its full potential. That goes double for Ronaldo.

The part where they don't give up is absolutely not true. There is so many Messi games coming to my mind when you can see him with head down and totally out of a game. That goes hand in hand with that old Barca argument that they would be better team if they had a captain like Roy Keane or Puyol, that is the type of the guy that never gives up and would yell at his teammates and make them give their best as well. Messi is best player in the world but he is not that guy.

There was a statistic published by the economist which player scored the most game decisive goals in history. It is a while ago and I can't exactly recall how many years, but back then it was Messi. They had a scale where the first goal of the game counted more than the 4-0 and so on. They built an interesting scale also for finals ad different competitions.

The thing with Messi is he does't have to run the pitch up and down nonstop in order to be noticed as an engaged player. Everyone in the stadium and in front of the TV knows that it is just this one action he needs. The free kick, the solo dribbling for 70 yards, the genius pass across the pitch. The way he plays the game has always been pretty much the same and not for a second would you think "this guy can't score today". Because he can.

[joker_josue]

The thing with Messi is he does't have to run the pitch up and down nonstop in order to be noticed as an engaged player. Everyone in the stadium and in front of the TV knows that it is just this one action he needs. The free kick, the solo dribbling for 70 yards, the genius pass across the pitch. The way he plays the game has always been pretty much the same and not for a second would you think "this guy can't score today". Because he can.

Messi and Ronaldo are those players, whose worst day is better than the whole team.

The game may not be going well for them, but at any moment, they can score a goal.
They don't just hit the ball or the free kick that they score well, it's their possibility on the field. It helps the world.
And another important thing, even if they have a bad game, their presence on cable, can mean that their colleagues are not marked and so they can even do a good job.

[DU18]

Cavani still has it and it is a really good player.Manchester United should only have to wait a bit as he will get in shape during the first stages of upcoming Premier League season,Manchester United will also be playing in Champions League where Cavani has excelled many times there with PSG and other teams he has played for.If he gets in shape which I believe he will this year we are going to see a great Premier League season with Manchester United being a strong contender since the beginning as they have really good attacking players.

When Manchester United signed Cavani this season, many people doubted that Cavani could impress at Man United this season, especially since the Uruguayan national team player was recruited by Man United at a not young age, which is 33 years old, but as a professional player, Cavani certainly makes a surprise to silence everyone who had doubted him by scoring 15 goals and five assists in 35 appearances for Man United this season.
I think Cavani still deserves to be one of the strikers who are the mainstay of Manchester United next season but even so Ole Gunnar Solskjaer certainly still needs a new striker to be able to maintain the performance of his team next season playing in the domestic league and also the champions league.

[Juggy777]

Cavani still has it and it is a really good player.Manchester United should only have to wait a bit as he will get in shape during the first stages of upcoming Premier League season,Manchester United will also be playing in Champions League where Cavani has excelled many times there with PSG and other teams he has played for.If he gets in shape which I believe he will this year we are going to see a great Premier League season with Manchester United being a strong contender since the beginning as they have really good attacking players.

When Manchester United signed Cavani this season, many people doubted that Cavani could impress at Man United this season, especially since the Uruguayan national team player was recruited by Man United at a not young age, which is 33 years old, but as a professional player, Cavani certainly makes a surprise to silence everyone who had doubted him by scoring 15 goals and five assists in 35 appearances for Man United this season.
I think Cavani still deserves to be one of the strikers who are the mainstay of Manchester United next season but even so Ole Gunnar Solskjaer certainly still needs a new striker to be able to maintain the performance of his team next season playing in the domestic league and also the champions league.

@DU18 there’s no doubt that a fit Cavani can do lot of damage on the opposite teams, but what’s the guarantee that he can be fit to play all the matches. Also I’m not doubting his potential, but I’m concerned because of his injury record and therefore I too agree that the club needs one more striker to provide cover for him.

[AakZaki]

@DU18 there’s no doubt that a fit Cavani can do lot of damage on the opposite teams, but what’s the guarantee that he can be fit to play all the matches.
~snip~

He's old, it's natural to have doubts but remember his experience is very useful for other young players. Some of the strikers I think Manchester United would suit are Erling Haaland, Harry Kane and maybe Ronaldo (even though they are old).
The news that I heard Harry Kane was not comfortable at Tottenham, because he could not feel the title while there. I think Manchester City should be able to take advantage of this moment.

[LittleBitFunny]

@DU18 there’s no doubt that a fit Cavani can do lot of damage on the opposite teams, but what’s the guarantee that he can be fit to play all the matches.
~snip~

He's old, it's natural to have doubts but remember his experience is very useful for other young players. Some of the strikers I think Manchester United would suit are Erling Haaland, Harry Kane and maybe Ronaldo (even though they are old).
The news that I heard Harry Kane was not comfortable at Tottenham, because he could not feel the title while there. I think Manchester City should be able to take advantage of this moment.

I have not seen any news of Ronaldo leaving Juventus at the moment. He will probably stay at Juventus next season. Rumors are circulating that Tuchel wants to take Haaland to the team. Chelsea needs a skilled striker at the moment. I don't think Chelsea will miss the opportunity to take Haaland to the team. Aguero has moved from Manchester City to Barcelona. Kane is suitable as Aguero's replacement. He is a goal machine. And Kane wants to win the title. Manchester City are the right team for Harry Kane to win the title.

[yemight600]

i dont like the game
and i dont expect Manchester United is so slow (mentally, i mean in the mind)

i dont bet because at this level is hard to win a bet... congrats to villareal i'am happy for this tiny team
but i dont like this kind of game

long, boring, exhausting

It was really hard to make a bet, I agree with you on that. I actually thought Manchester Utd would win the title but still I didn't get the guts to bet on them.    And I'm really happy that I didn't now. Lastly, I agree with the boring part also.

Thank God you didn't place a bet on Manchester United. The team have all it's need to win (squard, fitness, coach) except determination which is the most important part of competition winning. Chelsea couldn't have wont the cup without determination however manchester United is lacking in that aspect.

[Luzin]

Chelsea couldn't have wont the cup without determination however manchester United is lacking in that aspect.

Even though I was very confident with the MU squad at that time. They have players above Villarreal so I am very sure that they will win.
But it's true what you say, United don't have the same fighting spirit, determination as Villareal. They underestimate the opponent too much before playing. MU management seems to have to evaluate Solskejaer immediately.

[snipie]

Not so easy win for England vs Croatia.
In my opinion, England is a Tier 2 team, with only France in Tier 1, and they could win easier versus them.

Anyway 3 points and now the game no one will watch

Austria - Northern Macedonia 

Wrong topic coinlocket, that's Europa League one and not EURO.
After all England got the precious 3 points and Austria + Netherlands should follow too by the end of the day.

[mv1986]

The thing with Messi is he does't have to run the pitch up and down nonstop in order to be noticed as an engaged player. Everyone in the stadium and in front of the TV knows that it is just this one action he needs. The free kick, the solo dribbling for 70 yards, the genius pass across the pitch. The way he plays the game has always been pretty much the same and not for a second would you think "this guy can't score today". Because he can.

Messi and Ronaldo are those players, whose worst day is better than the whole team.

The game may not be going well for them, but at any moment, they can score a goal.
They don't just hit the ball or the free kick that they score well, it's their possibility on the field. It helps the world.
And another important thing, even if they have a bad game, their presence on cable, can mean that their colleagues are not marked and so they can even do a good job.

I like watching both, but for me personally Messi is another level. There is this interview, I believe with Ibrahimovic, and he says, Ronaldo is the best on planet earth, and then there is Messi. I agree, Messi is just different. His free kick statistic alone is unbelievable.