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More than 70% of soldiers in ukrainian army right now are from eastern Ukraine and most part of them speak russian, their native language. Avakov, current ukrainian minister of internal affairs, speaks russian (his native language) on TV freely. These soldiers who fight for Ukraine speak russian as well as anchorman on ukrainain TV channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCkohttps://youtu.be/CuttRm1Wg8c?t=22So, it's not about language, man. Think about it. Ukraine uses Russian-speaking soldiers from the East, because they need them as cannon fodder. The Western Ukrainians have avoided the forcible conscription by migrating to Poland and Hungary. Name any other country, where the native language of the majority of the population is not awarded the status of official language.
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August 21, 2016, 07:06:09 PM |
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More than 70% of soldiers in ukrainian army right now are from eastern Ukraine and most part of them speak russian, their native language. Avakov, current ukrainian minister of internal affairs, speaks russian (his native language) on TV freely. These soldiers who fight for Ukraine speak russian as well as anchorman on ukrainain TV channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCkohttps://youtu.be/CuttRm1Wg8c?t=22So, it's not about language, man. Think about it. Ukraine uses Russian-speaking soldiers from the East, because they need them as cannon fodder. The Western Ukrainians have avoided the forcible conscription by migrating to Poland and Hungary. It's not true. The number of eastern ukrainians in ukrainian army correlates to the population of these regions. Soldiers on that tv story speak russian and don't look oppressed. If they were oppressed they could easily escape and join other side, but they didn't.
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August 21, 2016, 07:17:32 PM |
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Name any other country, where the native language of the majority of the population is not awarded the status of official language.
According to official data from the 2001 Ukrainian census, the Russian language was native for over 14,273,000 Ukrainian citizens (29.3% of the total population). Since then this number declined. So it's minority language. All the minority languages (including Russian) are explicitly protected under article 10 of the Ukrainian Constitution.
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bryant.coleman
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August 22, 2016, 05:37:34 PM |
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Name any other country, where the native language of the majority of the population is not awarded the status of official language.
According to official data from the 2001 Ukrainian census, the Russian language was native for over 14,273,000 Ukrainian citizens (29.3% of the total population). Since then this number declined. So it's minority language. All the minority languages (including Russian) are explicitly protected under article 10 of the Ukrainian Constitution. Russian language is the home language of 75% of the population. Even a part of the remaining 25% are not fully fluent in Ukrainian. And don't talk about the protection offered to Russian language. Russian language news channels and movies are banned in Ukraine and people who watch them are imprisoned. Is this what you mean by protection?
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August 23, 2016, 06:21:15 PM |
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There are 20 million plus Eastern Ukrainians (excluding the residents of Crimea), and only around 2 million of them are living in the DPR/LPR. The remaining are living under the Kiev junta, without any right to use their native language. The situation in Syria is much better. 90% of the Kurds are living under Kurdish administration.
More than 70% of soldiers in ukrainian army right now are from eastern Ukraine and most part of them speak russian, their native language. Avakov, current ukrainian minister of internal affairs, speaks russian (his native language) on TV freely. These soldiers who fight for Ukraine speak russian as well as anchorman on ukrainain TV channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCkohttps://youtu.be/CuttRm1Wg8c?t=22So, it's not about language, man. Think about it. It's not only about tongue. But what you say simply underlines the sad fact of the extent of brainwashing and manipulation of the Russian people of Malorossia over the past 25+ years to make anti-Russians out of Russians and to sick brother upon brother. That is the core definition of a civil war, which has been going on in the Eastern part of Novorossia for the last 2 years. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstanislavs.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2F2589266_4767033b.jpg&t=665&c=VZNgfgpS8Mx_uw) Support for Russian being made a state language And the initial demands of the population, as voiced in the 2014 referendum (which brought about the violent oppression) was the status of the Russian language as the state language in that part, and greater autonomy, especially when it came to distribution of locally-earned resources. As the Kiev oligarchich regime was built on greater and greater level of stealing (sorry, concentration) of resources in the central hands, they just could not have anything of that. In that way, the second demand was what really set off the ongoing 2-year-long extermination of the Novorossian people. Btw, as the Kiev regime implodes now, it will start intensifying shelling of Donbass even more, to draw attention and the battalions away from Poroshenko and co. However, what was once Ukraine is about to plunge into a bloody free for all across the whole of the land as the fight the bandit groups, oligarchs and nazis for the diminishing resources intensifies. It's about to get worse, as the indicatively growing activity of our "friends and partners" on this thread shows.
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August 25, 2016, 07:21:58 PM |
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Russian language is the home language of 75% of the population. Even a part of the remaining 25% are not fully fluent in Ukrainian.
It's a false statement. In 2001 Ukrainian census only third part of population declared that russian language is native language for them. It's including occupied Crimea. And this share declined since then. And don't talk about the protection offered to Russian language. Russian language news channels and movies are banned in Ukraine and people who watch them are imprisoned. Is this what you mean by protection? Hey, look at this video again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCkoIt's tv story on "Inter", nationwide russian speaking tv channel. It was made a month ago. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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August 25, 2016, 07:27:25 PM |
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There are 20 million plus Eastern Ukrainians (excluding the residents of Crimea), and only around 2 million of them are living in the DPR/LPR. The remaining are living under the Kiev junta, without any right to use their native language. The situation in Syria is much better. 90% of the Kurds are living under Kurdish administration.
More than 70% of soldiers in ukrainian army right now are from eastern Ukraine and most part of them speak russian, their native language. Avakov, current ukrainian minister of internal affairs, speaks russian (his native language) on TV freely. These soldiers who fight for Ukraine speak russian as well as anchorman on ukrainain TV channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCkohttps://youtu.be/CuttRm1Wg8c?t=22So, it's not about language, man. Think about it. It's not only about tongue. But what you say simply underlines the sad fact of the extent of brainwashing and manipulation of the Russian people of Malorossia over the past 25+ years to make anti-Russians out of Russians and to sick brother upon brother. That is the core definition of a civil war, which has been going on in the Eastern part of Novorossia for the last 2 years. Sorry bro, but there is no Malorussia since 1917. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstanislavs.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2F2589266_4767033b.jpg&t=665&c=VZNgfgpS8Mx_uw) Support for Russian being made a state language This poll was made 11 years ago. Since then situation changed, especially last two years after russian occupation of Crimea.
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August 25, 2016, 07:56:00 PM Last edit: August 25, 2016, 08:07:17 PM by Nemo1024 |
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There are 20 million plus Eastern Ukrainians (excluding the residents of Crimea), and only around 2 million of them are living in the DPR/LPR. The remaining are living under the Kiev junta, without any right to use their native language. The situation in Syria is much better. 90% of the Kurds are living under Kurdish administration.
More than 70% of soldiers in ukrainian army right now are from eastern Ukraine and most part of them speak russian, their native language. Avakov, current ukrainian minister of internal affairs, speaks russian (his native language) on TV freely. These soldiers who fight for Ukraine speak russian as well as anchorman on ukrainain TV channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCkohttps://youtu.be/CuttRm1Wg8c?t=22So, it's not about language, man. Think about it. It's not only about tongue. But what you say simply underlines the sad fact of the extent of brainwashing and manipulation of the Russian people of Malorossia over the past 25+ years to make anti-Russians out of Russians and to sick brother upon brother. That is the core definition of a civil war, which has been going on in the Eastern part of Novorossia for the last 2 years. Sorry bro, but there is no Malorussia since 1917. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstanislavs.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2F2589266_4767033b.jpg&t=665&c=VZNgfgpS8Mx_uw) Support for Russian being made a state language This poll was made 11 years ago. Since then situation changed, especially last two years after russian occupation of Crimea. >Sorry bro, but there is no Malorussia since 1917. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ...since Lenin took Malorossia plus Novorossia and created Ukraine out of them. Correct. So why do Ukro-nazis topple Lenin's monuments and forbid everything done during the communist period? Clearly they disagree with that act and want Malorossia to be resurrected ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) >This poll was made 11 years ago. Since then situation changed, especially last two years after russian occupation of Crimea. Yes, the situation changed, but not because of the log awaited by the Crimeans reunification of Crimea with Russia - all is well there, Crimea is reviving after the 25 years-long oligarchich Ukrainian occupation and plundering of the peninsular. It's changed because of the prosecution of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, because of the dangers associated with speaking Russian in public and because of disappearances of the anti-Nazi activists and murders of the journalists. Another image with language distribution for you: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usmessageboard.com%2Fattachments%2Fukraine-language-map-1-png.62525%2F&t=665&c=1h5CiP7BPNXG3A) The image above comes from the following forum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/a-shocking-truth-about-ukraine-europeans-have-never-seen-anything-like-that-before-a-documentary.473216/page-2A lot of good testimonials there. For example this quote: - Historically Easter part of Ukraine has been a part of Russia for more that ten (!) centuries (when nobody has even heard about USA yet!). Russia was called “Kiev Russia” and Kiev was called ”the mother of Russian cities”. In 988 Prince Vladimir has started baptizing the people of Russia in the river Dnepr, city of Kiev. This mass baptism became the iconic inaugural event in the Christianization of the state of Kievan Rus'. Christianization of Kievan Rus' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia’
- In 1922 after the October revolution Lenin “gave“ a part of Russia (which is now Eastern Ukraine) to Ukrainian republic withing the same country of the USSR though ( to raise the percentage of proletariat in Ukrainian republic), however it was within the same country of the USSR. Later in 1954 Khrushchev “gave” Crimean peninsula to Ukrainian republic. 1954 transfer of Crimea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (The history of Western Ukraine is different).
- In 1992 three crooks (Yeltsyn, Kravchuk, Shushkevitch) with Washington’s blessing have separated Ukraine and Belarus’ from Russia and declared them separate countries. So, they have been called separate countries for 24 years (can 24 years be compared to centuries?). The people living in Eastern Ukraine (including myself) felt like their Motherland has been stolen from them and found themselves living in a foreign and not friendly country of Ukraine. However Western Ukrainians were happy. (And since then what makes Western Ukrainians happy is bad for Eastern Ukrainians and vise verse).
- Putin: Ukraine is the closest country to us. We have always said that Ukraine is our sister country and it is true.It is not just a Slavic people, it is the closest people to Russia: we have similar languages, culture, common history, religion, etc. PS: Oh, and can you guess as to the reason why no such polls are conducted in the "free" and "democratic" Ukraine after 2014?
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.” “We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.” “It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 27, 2016, 03:04:24 PM |
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...since Lenin took Malorossia plus Novorossia and created Ukraine out of them. Correct. So why do Ukro-nazis topple Lenin's monuments and forbid everything done during the communist period? Clearly they disagree with that act and want Malorossia to be resurrected ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I think you should take some history lessons. Ukrainian Soviet Republic was created after Soviet Russia occupied Ukrainian People's Republic. Check this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_People%27s_RepublicYes, the situation changed, but not because of the log awaited by the Crimeans reunification of Crimea with Russia - all is well there, Crimea is reviving after the 25 years-long oligarchich Ukrainian occupation and plundering of the peninsular.
Crimea was occupied by Russia, fake referendum doesn't mean anything. It's changed because of the prosecution of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, because of the dangers associated with speaking Russian in public and because of disappearances of the anti-Nazi activists and murders of the journalists.
Check video I've posted above, I can repeat it for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCkoIt's tv story on "Inter", nationwide russian speaking tv channel. It was made a month ago. Also I may add that Arsen Avakov, current minister of internal affairs (supreme police boss) speaks russian freely in a lot of his interviews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccbmPZ7jfIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJbTdTndj3Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AO74KDKtMSo, what dangers are you talking about?
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August 28, 2016, 05:05:12 AM |
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Russian language is the home language of 75% of the population. Even a part of the remaining 25% are not fully fluent in Ukrainian.
It's a false statement. In 2001 Ukrainian census only third part of population declared that russian language is native language for them. It's including occupied Crimea. And this share declined since then. Still confusing the term "home language" with "native language"? Native language is the language which is considered as native for a particular ethnic group. Home language is the language which is used by that individual at home or work. "Native" language for ethnic Ukrainians will be Ukrainian. But only a minority of them know that language and an even lower number use it regularly.
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During his speech on Ukraine's "Independence" day on the 24th of August, Poroshenko was telling the world how he loved Donbass and wanted it to return to Ukraine. Apparently that love does not extend to the population of Donbass, as can be seen from the following report from life on the front lines abound that very same "Independence" day: https://youtu.be/GoOjLIUbFSs
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.” “We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.” “It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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September 15, 2016, 01:09:27 PM |
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In Ukaine no penalize the Russian people. The conflict arose because of the banal resource sharing. And under the guise of protecting citizens troops to Ukraine were introduced. Media artificially support this war. Portray the attack, incite ethnic conflict. And in war government launders money in their pockets
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September 28, 2016, 02:12:20 PM |
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Donetsk Kharkiv and Luhansk - a city of Ukraine. Nobody officially it did not change. There was agreement on the transfer of these cities and regions of Russia
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September 28, 2016, 02:45:41 PM |
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Another Russian Troll! Don't bother, you won't believe! Those who are interested in this subject, knows that in this situation Russia is to blame. You heard the report on the downed Boeing?
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September 28, 2016, 02:52:06 PM |
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Donetsk and Lugansk people's Republic it is fake! A bunch of terrorists supported by Russia ! And Crimea is Ukraine !!!!
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September 28, 2016, 04:13:31 PM |
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You Russian Troll! Can convey to Putin that he is a huylo!!!! La, La, La, La, La!!!!! And your manipulation will not work here.
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September 28, 2016, 04:39:28 PM |
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Putin huylo la la la la la !!! How is it in Holguin? Pay well? You little Russian and Ukrainian forums?
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September 28, 2016, 04:56:11 PM |
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Ukraine is divided without firing a shot.
Do not wait! Ukraine is a unified country and Crimea is Ukraine too! Soon Russia will fall apart, but no shots I think can not do, so see where to go from Holguin.
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September 28, 2016, 05:16:31 PM |
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This topic was created in Russian trolls. Don't believe them. In Ukraine, fighting Russian mercenaries. And Putin is an international terrorist. Russia is the axis of evil !
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