Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[myshownow]

Putin will go down in history as liberator of Europe from American imperialism.

you seem to know how eastern europe love Russian after 50 years of communism   Where do you live ?

Parts of the Eastern Europe hates Russia, especially those living in Poland, Baltics and Romania. But Russians enjoy good support in countries such as Bulgaria, Serbia and Macedonia. These countries are also in Eastern Europe.

Bulgaria is in EU and NATO, Serbia and Macedonia will change there mind when they will see the wealth gap between the pro-EU ex-URSS country become bigger. I agree it will not happen if the Latin state like Portugal, Spain, France continue to ruin the UE. But Russia has already problem with the Kalilingrad people that are tired to be more poor than there neigbor.

And when EU state will stop listening stupid ecologist and start produce there own energy Russia will have even bigger difficulty. The only threat to Europe is to get rid of all this fucking debt.

And thanks to bitcoin in the future it will be more and more complex and costly to control all the move of your population like Russia and China want to do  

LOL, the problem is that it will be almost impossible to get rid of that debt because it has already poisoned the system. THis is a big topic & a big literature is available in most credible forums (outside the polluted mainstream propaganda milieu) which basically support the conclusion that the current financial difficulty of the US & EU are in its terminal stages, leading it to be eclipsed by new wannabes from the East. But that doesn't concern us now beside noting that wishful thinking will not inflate away the debts. Despite the propaganda that they are already stabilizing, the US & EU are still declining as proved now by belated released figures.
Where do I live? That's irrelevant. You seem to give credence too much to what the Post-Communists states think- they are irrelevant, they really don't count in the essential equation. they are only used in propaganda because they are the only ones easily fooled by the US imperial propaganda scriptwriters  (also available fodders for war later because they are in the frontlines so they will be the Hiroshima & Nagasaki for the nuclear bombs of WWW3). Meaning, the major EU players like Germany, France, Austria, UK, etc (the original rich ones) have other ideas that's why the much-ballyhoed sanctions failed. Are they willing to sacrifice just so the American stupid script for Ukraine prevail over the 3,000 German companies in Germany that are earning money in Russia? Why should Austria sacrifice its cheap gas for Ukraine; why should Italy sacrifice the many Russian tourists & Armani sales to Russia (Russia is the biggest luxur ymarket in Europe)? So the Europeans are being made to sacrifice so that the US can push its capricious politics over them' The fact that they haven't done much sanctioning showed they were reluctant to do the sacrifices. Why should they anyway? Well they should because they are actually vassals of the American Empire. But the fact that they are hesitant means they want to be free. Putin is helping them to be free. Thanks to the foreplays now being executed deftly by Putin,  Putin will liberate them from their vassalage shortly.
 

[bryant.coleman]

Bulgaria is in EU and NATO, Serbia and Macedonia will change there mind when they will see the wealth gap between the pro-EU ex-URSS country become bigger. I agree it will not happen if the Latin state like Portugal, Spain, France continue to ruin the UE. But Russia has already problem with the Kalilingrad people that are tired to be more poor than there neighbor.

Bulgaria might be in the EU and the NATO. But they still remain pro-Russia. Same will happen if Serbia and Macedonia are granted EU membership. The EU as a whole will shift more pro-Russia. Even now, the anti-Russian lobby (United Kingdom, Sweden, Poland, Romania.etc) is getting marginalized by the neutral group (Germany, France, Italy.etc).

[Nemo1024]

Well said, myshownow.

As for Germany, let's not forget that according to the latest statistics, Russian is the second largest spoken and third largest printed language in Germany, after German. I don't think Germany alienating Russia too much, aside from token sanctions, is not a political option for the politicians who want to retain their electorate.

[hologram]

1.the problem is that it will be almost impossible to get rid of that debt because it has already poisoned the system.

2. leading it to be eclipsed by new wannabes from the East.

3.Where do I live? That's irrelevant.

4.You seem to give credence too much to what the Post-Communists states think- they are irrelevant

5.Meaning, the major EU players like Germany, France, Austria, UK...

6.Well they should because they are actually vassals of the American Empire. But the fact that they are hesitant means they want to be free.

7.Putin is helping them to be free.  Putin will liberate them from their vassalage.

 

1.A lot of country has do successful reform in the 2 last decades, like Canada, Germany, new Zealand, Swed... USA and south UE country have just to do the same and maybe switch to a new currency, Italy is already doing reform and start feel better.

2.WTF ? You speak about all the country who only survive cause of FED money printing ?

3.It's relevant cause you say a lot of bullshit, no moderate opinion

4.Maybe because they are the proof western was right ? what become Belarus and Kazakhstan ?

5. http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/september/tradoc_122530.pdf

And Russia have money just because we buy there fucking oil and gas, without it will just be a wasteland, and Putin was afraid of capital evasion from Russia  

6.What the fuck are you talking about ?

7.You see something free in Russia ? You are crazy, your hate blind you.

[deisik]

Bulgaria is in EU and NATO, Serbia and Macedonia will change there mind when they will see the wealth gap between the pro-EU ex-URSS country become bigger. I agree it will not happen if the Latin state like Portugal, Spain, France continue to ruin the UE. But Russia has already problem with the Kalilingrad people that are tired to be more poor than there neighbor.

Bulgaria might be in the EU and the NATO. But they still remain pro-Russia. Same will happen if Serbia and Macedonia are granted EU membership. The EU as a whole will shift more pro-Russia. Even now, the anti-Russian lobby (United Kingdom, Sweden, Poland, Romania.etc) is getting marginalized by the neutral group (Germany, France, Italy.etc).

Yeah, we remember Romania was not Hitler's ally by its own volition (and Bulgaria too, by the way). But this didn't prevent the Romanian army from fighting alongside with Wehrmacht on the Eastern front against Russia (then the USSR)...

By their fruits ye shall know them!

[bryant.coleman]

As for Germany, let's not forget that according to the latest statistics, Russian is the second largest spoken and third largest printed language in Germany, after German. I don't think Germany alienating Russia too much, aside from token sanctions, is not a political option for the politicians who want to retain their electorate.

Merkel's party is not as pro-Russian as the Socialist party. Still it is great to see Germany not supporting the US 100%. The Europeans are not complete idiots to ignore the grand game plan of the USA. The average EU citizen knows pretty well that US only cares about their own economic interests, even if they come at the expense of the Europeans.

[hologram]

Merkel's party is not as pro-Russian as the Socialist party. Still it is great to see Germany not supporting the US 100%. The Europeans are not complete idiots to ignore the grand game plan of the USA. The average EU citizen knows pretty well that US only cares about their own economic interests, even if they come at the expense of the Europeans.

I know US is ruled by stupid politician this do not mean i want to suck a fucking KGB leader... And the SPD is not socialist... And Germany after the Nazi and communist ideology do not want another authoritarian regime...

That's the difference, you want to believe Russia is a paradise and you are pro-putin whatever he do, i'm for USA because it's the best realistic solution.

[niothor]

Bulgaria is in EU and NATO, Serbia and Macedonia will change there mind when they will see the wealth gap between the pro-EU ex-URSS country become bigger. I agree it will not happen if the Latin state like Portugal, Spain, France continue to ruin the UE. But Russia has already problem with the Kalilingrad people that are tired to be more poor than there neighbor.

Bulgaria might be in the EU and the NATO. But they still remain pro-Russia. Same will happen if Serbia and Macedonia are granted EU membership. The EU as a whole will shift more pro-Russia. Even now, the anti-Russian lobby (United Kingdom, Sweden, Poland, Romania.etc) is getting marginalized by the neutral group (Germany, France, Italy.etc).

Yeah, we remember Romania was not Hitler's ally by its own volition (and Bulgaria too, by the way). But this didn't prevent the Romanian army from fighting alongside with Wehrmacht on the Eastern front against Russia (then the USSR)...

By their fruits ye shall know them!

So , Romania is more anti-Russia because they fought against urss in the ww2  (although forced) , while Bulgaria is more pro Russia (although they were Germany allies from the starts and fought against Russia on their own)

Flawed logic.

ww2 is in the past , it doesn't matter anymore.

[bryant.coleman]

I know US is ruled by stupid politician this do not mean i want to suck a fucking KGB leader... And the SPD is not socialist... And Germany after the Nazi and communist ideology do not want another authoritarian regime...

There is very little difference between the CPD/CPU and the SPD. However, in foreign policies, the two parties differ a lot. And being neutral to Russia doesn't mean supporting Putin. It means using relations with Russia for the advantage of the German economy.

That's the difference, you want to believe Russia is a paradise and you are pro-putin whatever he do, i'm for USA because it's the best realistic solution.

I don't believe that Russia is a paradise and I am not a hardcore supporter of Putin. (I support the KPRF more than I support United Russia). But to tell the truth, I believe that Putin is much better than the current EU / US leaders. 

[hologram]

1.There is very little difference between the CPD/CPU and the SPD. However, in foreign policies, the two parties differ a lot. And being neutral to Russia doesn't mean supporting Putin. It means using relations with Russia for the advantage of the German economy.

2.I don't believe that Russia is a paradise and I am not a hardcore supporter of Putin. (I support the KPRF more than I support United Russia). But to tell the truth, I believe that Putin is much better than the current EU / US leaders.  

1.You are not neutral to Russia, i'm. Being neutral to Russia do not mean wish they spread there authoritarian view everywhere like you wish. You are pro-Russia and anti-USA.

2.Why Putin is a better leader ? And you are on bitcointalk, Putin is anti-bitcoin and he is right cause bitcoin is pro-market. Maybe you are an oligarch and you do not fear the law in Russia cause you are friend of government ?

Bitcoin is a problem for the FED and ECB in western, but it's a problem for the whole Russia system cause it's totally based on repression. I wish western leader will be smart and use bitcoin to land soft of the incoming world debt crisis.

http://bitlegal.io/

[myshownow]

1.the problem is that it will be almost impossible to get rid of that debt because it has already poisoned the system.

2. leading it to be eclipsed by new wannabes from the East.

3.Where do I live? That's irrelevant.

4.You seem to give credence too much to what the Post-Communists states think- they are irrelevant

5.Meaning, the major EU players like Germany, France, Austria, UK...

6.Well they should because they are actually vassals of the American Empire. But the fact that they are hesitant means they want to be free.

7.Putin is helping them to be free.  Putin will liberate them from their vassalage.

 

1.A lot of country has do successful reform in the 2 last decades, like Canada, Germany, new Zealand, Swed... USA and south UE country have just to do the same and maybe switch to a new currency, Italy is already doing reform and start feel better.

2.WTF ? You speak about all the country who only survive cause of FED money printing ?

3.It's relevant cause you say a lot of bullshit, no moderate opinion

4.Maybe because they are the proof western was right ? what become Belarus and Kazakhstan ?

5. http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/september/tradoc_122530.pdf

And Russia have money just because we buy there fucking oil and gas, without it will just be a wasteland, and Putin was afraid of capital evasion from Russia  

6.What the fuck are you talking about ?

7.You see something free in Russia ? You are crazy, your hate blind you.

LOL, you seem to enjoy reciting "seemingly" catchy sound bites(at least to you)  but I guess it's the old "fake & hope my enemy was distracted"  routine. You should have just whistled in the dark. LOL. Being smart-aleck doesn't mean being smart. It's really getting tedious arguing that there is still a battle of two systems- one "free" (isn't that getting hackneyed now when many Americans are now complaining they have a fascist system?) or "non-free" especially when the old system who professed moral ascendancy  is obviously imploding not only in its economic & hegemonic foundations but its moral pretensions even (after all the wars & the fake propaganda freedoms like freedom of the WEstern propaganda press, what is left to pretend for?)

[hologram]

LOL, you seem to enjoy reciting "seemingly" catch sound bites(at least to you)  but I guess it's the old "fake & hope my enemy was distracted"  routine. You should have just whistled in the dark. LOL. Being smart-aleck doesn't mean being smart. It's really getting tedious arguing that there is still a battle of two systems- one "free" (isn't that getting hackneyed now when many Americans are now complaining they have a fascist system?) or "non-free" especially when the old system who professed moral ascendancy  is obviously imploding not only in its economic & hegemonic foundations but its moral pretensions even (after all the wars & the fake propaganda freedoms like freedom of the WEstern propaganda press, what is left to pretend for?)

In USA they are complaining about there fascist system i know, i know all this fucking story about SWAT or the BLM or the EPA and all the alphabet soap bureaucrat has made. But you forget it's even worse in the rest of the world...

[deisik]

Bulgaria is in EU and NATO, Serbia and Macedonia will change there mind when they will see the wealth gap between the pro-EU ex-URSS country become bigger. I agree it will not happen if the Latin state like Portugal, Spain, France continue to ruin the UE. But Russia has already problem with the Kalilingrad people that are tired to be more poor than there neighbor.

Bulgaria might be in the EU and the NATO. But they still remain pro-Russia. Same will happen if Serbia and Macedonia are granted EU membership. The EU as a whole will shift more pro-Russia. Even now, the anti-Russian lobby (United Kingdom, Sweden, Poland, Romania.etc) is getting marginalized by the neutral group (Germany, France, Italy.etc).

Yeah, we remember Romania was not Hitler's ally by its own volition (and Bulgaria too, by the way). But this didn't prevent the Romanian army from fighting alongside with Wehrmacht on the Eastern front against Russia (then the USSR)...

By their fruits ye shall know them!

So , Romania is more anti-Russia because they fought against urss in the ww2  (although forced) , while Bulgaria is more pro Russia (although they were Germany allies from the starts and fought against Russia on their own)

Flawed logic.

ww2 is in the past , it doesn't matter anymore.

You seem to have missed my point entirely to the point (lol) of stating quite the opposite of what I meant actually. All those East European countries (Romania, Bulgaria, whatever) would betray Russia whenever there is an opportunity, no matter what their rhetoric is or was...

And yes, WW2 is in the past, so even Serbians (who were the only ones in East Europe who really fought Nazis) lost their former glamor!

[hologram]

You seem to have missed my point entirely to the point (lol) of stating quite the opposite of what I meant actually. All those East European countries (Romania, Bulgaria, whatever) would betray Russia whenever there is an opportunity, no matter what their rhetoric is or was...

Maybe because Russia bring them on of the worst totalitarianism we ever seen in history ? Go spread bitcoin in north Korea 

[deisik]

You seem to have missed my point entirely to the point (lol) of stating quite the opposite of what I meant actually. All those East European countries (Romania, Bulgaria, whatever) would betray Russia whenever there is an opportunity, no matter what their rhetoric is or was...

Maybe because Russia bring them on of the worst totalitarianism we ever seen in history ? Go spread bitcoin in north Korea 

You seem to be confusing even time epochs. What I have just said had been known as early as the 19th century. If I'm not mistaken, Bulgaria was Germany's ally in the first world war (btw, it severed relations with the United States when the latter declared war on Germany in 1917)...

[hologram]

That's not my point 

[deisik]

That's not my point 

There is no point in your point. First get your dates correctly (and I don't mean women, lol)!

[myshownow]

LOL, you seem to enjoy reciting "seemingly" catch sound bites(at least to you)  but I guess it's the old "fake & hope my enemy was distracted"  routine. You should have just whistled in the dark. LOL. Being smart-aleck doesn't mean being smart. It's really getting tedious arguing that there is still a battle of two systems- one "free" (isn't that getting hackneyed now when many Americans are now complaining they have a fascist system?) or "non-free" especially when the old system who professed moral ascendancy  is obviously imploding not only in its economic & hegemonic foundations but its moral pretensions even (after all the wars & the fake propaganda freedoms like freedom of the WEstern propaganda press, what is left to pretend for?)

In USA they are complaining about there fascist system i know, i know all this fucking story about SWAT or the BLM or the EPA and all the alphabet soap bureaucrat has made. But you forget it's even worse in the rest of the world...

Well, who's to make the comparison & declare which is worse- creating wars anywhere in world killing million men, women, children indiscriminately just so the dollar primacy is assured and hegemony maintained all over the world, or public order is maintained at all cost so that the hegemonic power is prevented from unleashing its hegemonic destabilizing influences which were facilitated by the dollar monopolistic corruption in the first place? The problem with your level of thinking is that you trapped yourself in self-defeating, ultimately useless, mind games

[bryant.coleman]

1.You are not neutral to Russia, i'm. Being neutral to Russia do not mean wish they spread there authoritarian view everywhere like you wish. You are pro-Russia and anti-USA.

I was talking about Germany. I said that Germany is neutral to Russia.

2.Why Putin is a better leader ? And you are on bitcointalk, Putin is anti-bitcoin and he is right cause bitcoin is pro-market. Maybe you are an oligarch and you do not fear the law in Russia cause you are friend of government ?

Quite funny. All the current world leaders are anti-Bitcoin. What makes Putin any different from them? And now I am an oligarch? I don't have words to explain my amusement. 

[hologram]

Your problem is that you think there is some big conspiracy while the western is run by fucking stupid people... You are paranoiac...

You remember the anti-global warming Obama rally ? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/13/what-if-you-put-on-a-presidentially-sponsored-climate-rally-and-nobody-showed-up/

Your theory do not pass the Occam's razor. Western democracy system make stupid bureaucrat rule country while despotism make psychopath ex-KGB leader rule country.

I prefer stupid people than psychopath.