Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[chopstick]

Poland: Russian Army Operating in Ukraine

 "Nobody can seriously accept talk of "separatists" in Ukraine anymore," Donald Tusk told parliament, adding that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization has over the past day gathered "very solid confirmation" that the Russia military has entered Ukraine.
"The information is from NATO and confirmed by our intelligence, and is basically unambiguous," he said.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/poland-russian-army-operating-in-ukraine-20140827-00084

Ukraine Army gets their asses kicked by a ragtag militia comprised mainly of former miners and other residents of Donbass, Donetsk, Luhansk...

Then the propaganda comes out and blames Russia for everything... and all the sheep go right along with it.

Life is basically like an episode of the twilight zone... hilarious!

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[Pagan]

Hey Russia, Canada's government made this helpful map for you

After Russian soldiers found their way into Ukraine “by accident”, Canada’s delegation to Nato produced this map, and helpfully shared it on Twitter.
“Geography can be tough. Here’s a guide for Russian soldiers who keep getting lost & ‘accidentally’ entering Ukraine,” the delegation wrote.



Somewhat confusingly, to Russian eyes anyway, the disputed region of Crimea, which Russia annexed this year to international condemnation, is highlighted as Ukrainian territory.
Moscow denies directly intervening in eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russian separatists have been fighting an insurgency against the government in Kiev.

    Geography can be tough. Here’s a guide for Russian soldiers who keep getting lost & ‘accidentally’ entering #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/RF3H4IXGSp
    — Canada at NATO (@CanadaNATO) August 27, 2014

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/hey-russia-canadas-government-made-this-helpful-map-for-you--xJ1_cu0c7e

[Pagan]

Sweden's Minister for Foreign Affairs, Carl Bildt @carlbildt  · 

We are now evidently seeing fighting between regular Russian and regular Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine. There is a word for this.

#‎RussiainvadedUkraine‬ ‪#‎UkraineUnderAttack‬ ‪#‎StopTerrorussia‬

[chopstick]

Sweden's Minister for Foreign Affairs, Carl Bildt @carlbildt  · 

We are now evidently seeing fighting between regular Russian and regular Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine. There is a word for this.

#‎RussiainvadedUkraine‬ ‪#‎UkraineUnderAttack‬ ‪#‎StopTerrorussia‬

Translation: Ukraine Army gettin' their asses kicked by the Rebels, quick blame Russia now!

If Russia actually invaded,  they wouldn't dilly dally with some small battles,  it would be a full frontal invasion making use of their air force as well.

[MichaelBliss]

Sweden's Minister for Foreign Affairs, Carl Bildt @carlbildt  · 

We are now evidently seeing fighting between regular Russian and regular Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine. There is a word for this.

#‎RussiainvadedUkraine‬ ‪#‎UkraineUnderAttack‬ ‪#‎StopTerrorussia‬

Translation: Ukraine Army gettin' their asses kicked by the Rebels, quick blame Russia now!

If Russia actually invaded,  they wouldn't dilly dally with some small battles,  it would be a full frontal invasion making use of their air force as well.

Russia doesn't start wars, it ends them.

[Paya]

Translation: Ukraine Army gettin' their asses kicked by the Rebels, quick blame Russia now!

If Russia actually invaded,  they wouldn't dilly dally with some small battles,  it would be a full frontal invasion making use of their air force as well.

Exactly. Despite the fact that they enjoyed (and still do) vast superiority in manpower and heavy weaponry, plus the air force, Ukrainian military and paramilitary proved to be incapable to deal even with militias, so it's not hard to imagine what would happen if they were really facing Russian army. I am actually amazed by incompetence and -often- sheer stupidity of ATO commanding officers, their foreign advisors, and criminals oligarchs who are paying for this bloody show. Hundreds, if not thousands of Ukrainian boys died for nothing because of those idiots. How long will the Ukrainian families tolerate this meaningless meatgrinder which is devouring their sons, brothers and fathers each day, remains to be seen.

[Balthazar]

You see, the thing about Russians is that their "pravda" does not accurately translate to the word "truth". There's a cultural divide there, since pravda relates to law, legality, and decree, unlike truth, which is objective and absolute, and often considered to be of divine origin. On the one hand, they may have a good point if discussing quantum physics or General Relativity, or if intuitively applying similar concepts of relativity to interactions between humans. Because, you know, "what really happened" may indeed be different for different observers.

On the other hand, none of the Russians here are discussing those sorts of philosophical things. They readily dismiss someone else's "truth", presumably because they assume that it has the same flaky governmental style as the "pravda". The mentality seems to be that everyone else is potentially lying, whereas only the Kremlin has the power to speak the real pravda. "All Western information is potentially bullshit. It's not the pravda until the Kremlin says it is!"

So you see, they have such a long history of being stubborn authoritarians that it's built into the language. Some Russians, not all. You know how it goes.

Too many conclusions from nothing. It's nothing more than conversational routine of some East Slavic languages, which was appeared due to influence of byzantine culture.

"Truth" is frequently translated as Istina (Иcтинa, [ˈisʲtʲɪnə]) which applies to statement about objective reality, which could be falsified. Pravda (Пpaвдa, [ˈpravdə]) usually could be described as subjective perception of truth which depends on the context and couldn't be falsified. But in fact, these definitions are not exactly accurate. Many people are using the [ˈpravdə] while talking about [ˈisʲtʲɪnə] in everyday communication, but these words are completely different and don't have any exact english equivalents.

For example, the both [ˈisʲtʲɪnə] and [ˈpravdə] have negative counterparts (лoжь [ˈɫoʂ] and  нeпpaвдa [nʲɪˈpravdə]) while there is no such sharp, black-and-white contrast in english. There is the truth, but there are also white lies, and there is understatement along with various other "gray" categories of speech.

English word truth is often contrasted with the word error and has more to do with knowledge than with speech. The point isn't that somebody says truth or not, the point is about knowledge of truth. It isn't assumed that people are often telling lies, but assumed that people are often wrong. I.e. you don't need to prove that you're not telling lies but you need to prove that you're right.

That is the reason why there is no exact equivalent for truth in eastern slavic languages as well as no exact equivalent of pravda in english, it's caused by much stronger "truth conditions". In case of istina you need to satisfy two conditions, that you're right and you're not telling lie. In case of pravda you don't have to prove that you're right, you only have to prove that you're not telling lie.

Just as usual, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

On the other hand, none of the Russians here are discussing those sorts of philosophical things.

I don't know how in your country, but here the philosophy is mandatory to study at any university. And anyone who has a university degree, no matter in what specialty, knows the difference between "Pravda" and "Istina".

The mentality seems to be that everyone else is potentially lying not telling truth

Corrected, I'd say that it's quite logical position. Because everybody keeps silence if it has a sense. Even your own children or parents. "Hypocrite" is almost synonymous word for "human" in any language.

whereas only the Kremlin has the power to speak the real pravda

Incorrect, Kremlin statements are perceived as "they're not telling truth" as well, there are really a lot of jokes about this subject since very old times.

[Balthazar]

Translation: Ukraine Army gettin' their asses kicked by the Rebels, quick blame Russia now!

[Rassah]

Stop blaming others for your own failures. I know it probably makes you feel better but running away from your own incompetence won't take you anywhere. Ukraine has been independent for 25 years. That's plenty of time. What have you (not you personally, your people) done in the meantime to make it better place for everyone? A country respected and loved by all its citizens? Where people can live a decent life? I'll tell you: nothing. You, my friend, have a serious problem flowing deep within your own society for a long time. It's a problem you have with yourself so to say. Now, large number of your citizens decided that they had it enough. They don't want to be a part of all that mess any more and want to go their own way. If you really think that this can be solved by means of civil war, with what your new oligarch bosses cinically call "ATO"... you're in for a rude awakening.

Sure there's a huge issue with corruption, and economy never fully recovering from soviet influence, still being way too socialist. But is the solution for these people to be invaded by Russia? From what I hear, Russia has even worse problems.

[Rassah]

that invaded another country

Could you give us the fucking proof?

Like this one that came out just an hour ago? http://time.com/3198068/russian-soldiers-in-ukraine-put-pressure-on-putins-denials/
Or the pictures of captured Russian POWs? Or the fact that Crimea is not part of Ukraine any more? What proof do you need to believe that Russia invaded Ukrainian soil?

and started a war

You need to learn this subject better. According to ukrainian "authorities" there is no war, there is "anti-terrorist operation".

They're just saying that to get US attention and support. Everyone else recognizes it for what it is, a civil war, started by Russian propaganda, fear mongering, and invasion.

And now they're blaming Russia for referendum in the Crimea, what a joke. Despite the fact that no one used armed vehicles to disband the government and parliament of the Crimea, and no one was put in jail there.

Are you sure about that? Because Russian style freedom is on the move already
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/a-ukrainian-filmmaker-in-prison-for-opposing-russia-s-occupation-of-crimea

[Pagan]

Logic of current situation is that as ruSSia denies invading Ukraine while doing so, NATO countries can help Ukr while pretending not to.  

[myshownow]

You should apply as a gossip columnist in a lowbrow tabloid, they sell better than the Western mainstream press. Actuall, all these small tidbits are irrelevant because the bigger picture is moving fast, it is making all the delusions irrelevant. But we'll go to the bigger picture last, I'll just teach you proper - and civilized, fair- logic first.

My simple analysis says that Russia is in a bad situation. They are highly reliant on gas exports, and they just buy everything they need from the EU or Asia. Meanwhile, Europe is developing shale gas and other alternative energy sources, and that's putting pressure on Russia's energy dominance in the region.
Russia's GDP: 2 billion
EU's GDP: 14 billion
need I say more?

Well, your simple analysis is way-off because it is basically dishonest and just following the talking propaganda points given to you by your propaganda paymaster .Russia is not in a bad situation after all the Western sanctions because it  is more financially stable than the highly-indebted Western countries and it really doesn't need the Western financial system because the world's financial system is already pulling away from the Western monopoly (and this is the fact which is making the hegemon US insane that's why it's flailing irrationally now), while the Western countries are drowning in debts and have anemic economies that the simple Russian counter sanction staggered them. Russia didn't show signs of recession all throughtout the sanctions (it grew in the last quarter by .8%) while even Germany just shrunk by .2% in the last quarter. Notice that despite the talks of Russian soldier entry into Ukraine lately, nobody is talking about sanctions anymore. Have they realized nobody is intimidated by them anymore and that they have become laughingstock? In fact, people are now talking of something more surprising, I will mention below for the climax.


The GDP figures you mentioned are useless because a person with $100 is poor if his debt is $1,00,000. Just like America with an inflated $17 trillion GDP but with $220 trillion unfunded liabilities (look at Princeton studies) hidden in its books. Germany has a $3.3 trilion GDP-PPP for 2013 which is smaller than Russia's $3.4 trillion GDP-PPP (according to WOrld Bank figures for 2013, Russia is the richest country in Europe per parity purchasing power) but Deutsche Bank alone has $70 trillion in derivative liabilities. UK has an official $2 trilion economy but its unofficial debt is $16 trillion, etc. So just stating the GDP figures which one can look up in the NSA-controlled  Wikipedia is simplistic, only a simpleton will believe that the major European players & particularly the US are not insolvent because they are really insolvent, their liabilities are far, far, far bigger than their incomes. That's the reason America has been relying on the printing of money (which the ECB might be forced to do now because the EU is in the cusp of triple-dip recession). That's the reason the Western sanctions did not work because it was basically a comedy show put up by bankrupt countries, threatening to deny funds which the country they were sanctioning had in abundance (Russia has a very low debt, only $800 billion compared to the US' $220 trillion unfunded liabilities & has the third biggest reserve behind China & Japan). The Western sanctions were intended just to show they are powerful, relying on their propaganda machine to create the hype of their power- but look what happened, they fell flat on their faces & the world laughed. The bankrupt Western countries have become comedians (if I were a producer, I would give them the showbiz name- The Wannabe Powerful, or better yet, the Has-beens)

The Ukraine crisis is a desperate effort of the US to cling to its empire. It is failing. It was able to stampede the EU countries to issue economic sanctions  against Russia after the CIA initiated the MH17 false flag but then, after the simple Russia countersanction, it exposed their real weakness. The EU countries are all reeling. They can't sanction anymore. The latest false flag (the Russian soldiers entry; 400 Ukrainian soldiers entered Russia but Russia returned them the next day but the Ukrainians made an issue of merely ten soldiers, and judging by the corny dialogue that was given to the soldiers for the propaganda video, it was obvious they were done to gather momentum for the next hate round and consequently sanction. It fizzled because everyone will not suffer for a distant bankrupt country called Ukraine.

So will the US still hold its empire intact? Not for long. It is breaking. Faced with sure economic dive, the most powerful leader in the EU is having second thoughts .
Merkel Slams US Hegemony? "America Can't Solve All The World's Problems Anymore"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-27/merkel-slams-us-hegemony-america-cant-solve-all-worlds-problems-anymore



This is all about the battle for the Anglo-American empire. If Germany goes, the rest of the economically depressed EU follow. The Ukraine comedy will soon be forgotten.

So look beyond Ukraine now. Faced with a sinking economy & the US' ire, the German show has begun.

[Mad_Max]

Translation: Ukraine Army gettin' their asses kicked by the Rebels, quick blame Russia now!

Short translation: below a collections of links to the russian media with the evidence of the dead, missing and captured of the soldiers from regular Russian army in Ukraine
(not volunteers as it was before / until 10-15 august)

Пoчитaй этo в пepepывы мeждy пocтaми пoдoбнoй xepни oб "yкpaинcкиx фeйкax":

B Пcкoвe пpoшли зaкpытыe пoxopoны мecтныx дecaнтникoв

Oпyбликoвaны фoтoгpaфии c мecтa пoxopoн пcкoвcкиx дecaнтникoв
(ФИO - c мoгил тe жe, чтo были cpeди пpoчиx в cпиcкax из нecкoлькиx дecяткoв чeлoвeк paзмeщeнныx нeдeлeй paньшe в yкpaинcкими CMИ кaк пoгибшиx в бoяx c yкpaинcкoй apмиeй 16-18 aвгycтa и "ycпeшнo" paзoблaчaлиcь кaк "типичныe xoxлoфeйки". тeпepь нeмнoгo пoyтиxли, xoтя чaть пpoдoлжaeт paзoблaчaть чтo этo "фeйкoвыe мoгилы" )

Poдcтвeнники poccийcкoгo кoнтpaктникa cooбщили o eгo гибeли нa Укpaинe

CMИ paccкaзaли o пoxopoнax в Bopoжeнe кoмaндиpa взвoдa пcкoвcкиx дecaнтникoв

Maть пpoпaвшeгo бoйцa BДB пoпpocилa пpoщeния y гpaждaн Укpaины

Укpaинa зaявляeт o зaдepжaнии 10 poccийcкиx дecaнтникoв
(пoзжe мин. oбopoны PФ пoдтвepдилa чтo этo нaши бoйцы, пpocтo "зaблyдилcь" и cлyчaйнo нa 20 c лишним км нa тeppитopию c opyжиeм зaexaли, xoтя пoнaчaлy тoжe вce вoпили - oпять yкpoфeйки и yвepeннo "paзoблaчaли" эти фoтки и видeo пocтили вeceлыe фoтoжaбы)

Пpoпaвшиe пoлки - чтo извecтнo o пpoпaвшиx нa Укpaинe oтpядяx

http://gubernia.pskovregion.org/number_705/00.php - изнaчaльный peпopтaж ("Дoждь" и "Фoнтaнкa" yжe пoзжe пpиeзжaли) тaм жe и фoтo, в кaчecтвe вышe чeм нa "cлoнe". (ecли кpикнyть - в пoлный paзмep oткpывaютcя)

Ha жypнaлиcтoв «Pyccкoй плaнeты» и «Дoждя» нaпaли нa клaдбищe пoд Пcкoвoм

Poдcтвeнники зaдepжaнныx нa Укpaинe дecaнтникoв coздaли oпepaтивный штaб
(пoмимo дecяткa тex чтo в плeнy - тaм в cтaтьe eщe и пoлyoфициaльныe пpизнaния caмиx вoeнныx oб yбитыx и paнeныx из peгyляpныx чacтeй)

P.S.
Cитyaция кapдинaльнo "пepeключилacь" гдe-тo в paйoнe 15-17 aвгcтa. Ceпapaтиcты кoтopыx peгyляpнo били, ocтaвляли oдин нaceлeнный пyнкт зa дpyгим, ycпeли пoтepять yжe oкoлo 70% тeppитopии oт изнaчaльныx ЛHP и ДPH, y кoтopыx paзбeжaлocь бoльшaя чacть pyкoвoдcтвa ("нoвopocиии") вpyг peзкo вocпpяли дyxoм, пepeшли в нacтyплeниe пo мнoгoим нaпpaвлeниям и нaчaли дoвoльнo ycпeшнo дoлбaть yкpaинcкyю apмию.
И тoгдa жe пoтянyлиcь тpyпы кoнтpaтникoв(нe oтдeльныx дoбpoвoльцeв кaк дo этoгo - пoexaвшиx пo coбcтвeннoй инициaтивe и нe из дeйcвyющиx вoйcк, a бывшиx или дaжe вooбщe бeз вoeннoгo oпытa) oбpaтнo в Poccию и eщe бoльшe бoйцoв oфициaльнo нaxoдящиxcя нa yчeнияx в pocтoвcкoй oблacти пepecтaли выxoдить нa cвязь c poдными. Чacть пpoпaвшиx вoн oбнapyжилacь "зaблyдившимиcя" в плeнy y CБУ. Дpyгaя видимo пoтoм нaйдeтcя в мopгax.

[Rassah]

If Russia actually invaded,  they wouldn't dilly dally with some small battles,  it would be a full frontal invasion making use of their air force as well.

No they wouldn't, as that would instantly lose them all international support and make them an obvious bad guy. So they destabilize the region with propaganda and troops without insignia (like in Crimea) instead.

[Pagan]

You should apply as a gossip columnist in a lowbrow tabloid, they sell better than the Western mainstream press. Actuall, all these small tidbits are irrelevant because the bigger picture is moving fast, it is making all the delusions irrelevant. But we'll go to the bigger picture last, I'll just teach you proper - and civilized, fair- logic first.

My simple analysis says that Russia is in a bad situation. They are highly reliant on gas exports, and they just buy everything they need from the EU or Asia. Meanwhile, Europe is developing shale gas and other alternative energy sources, and that's putting pressure on Russia's energy dominance in the region.
Russia's GDP: 2 billion
EU's GDP: 14 billion
need I say more?

Well, your simple analysis is way-off because it is basically dishonest and just following the talking propaganda points given to you by your propaganda paymaster .Russia is not in a bad situation after all the Western sanctions because it  is more financially stable than the highly-indebted Western countries and it really doesn't need the Western financial system because the world's financial system is already pulling away from the Western monopoly (and this is the fact which is making the hegemon US insane that's why it's flailing irrationally now), while the Western countries are drowning in debts and have anemic economies that the simple Russian counter sanction staggered them. Russia didn't show signs of recession all throughtout the sanctions (it grew in the last quarter by .8%) while even Germany just shrunk by .2% in the last quarter. Notice that despite the talks of Russian soldier entry into Ukraine lately, nobody is talking about sanctions anymore. Have they realized nobody is intimidated by them anymore and that they have become laughingstock? In fact, people are now talking of something more surprising, I will mention below for the climax.


The GDP figures you mentioned are useless because a person with $100 is poor if his debt is $1,00,000. Just like America with an inflated $17 trillion GDP but with $220 trillion unfunded liabilities (look at Princeton studies) hidden in its books. Germany has a $3.3 trilion GDP-PPP for 2013 which is smaller than Russia's $3.4 trillion GDP-PPP (according to WOrld Bank figures for 2013, Russia is the richest country in Europe per parity purchasing power) but Deutsche Bank alone has $70 trillion in derivative liabilities. UK has an official $2 trilion economy but its unofficial debt is $16 trillion, etc. So just stating the GDP figures which one can look up in the NSA-controlled  Wikipedia is simplistic, only a simpleton will believe that the major European players & particularly the US are not insolvent because they are really insolvent, their liabilities are far, far, far bigger than their incomes. That's the reason America has been relying on the printing of money (which the ECB might be forced to do now because the EU is in the cusp of triple-dip recession). That's the reason the Western sanctions did not work because it was basically a comedy show put up by bankrupt countries, threatening to deny funds which the country they were sanctioning had in abundance (Russia has a very low debt, only $800 billion compared to the US' $220 trillion unfunded liabilities & has the third biggest reserve behind China & Japan). The Western sanctions were intended just to show they are powerful, relying on their propaganda machine to create the hype of their power- but look what happened, they fell flat on their faces & the world laughed. The bankrupt Western countries have become comedians (if I were a producer, I would give them the showbiz name- The Wannabe Powerful, or better yet, the Has-beens)

The Ukraine crisis is a desperate effort of the US to cling to its empire. It is failing. It was able to stampede the EU countries to issue economic sanctions  against Russia after the CIA initiated the MH17 false flag but then, after the simple Russia countersanction, it exposed their real weakness. The EU countries are all reeling. They can't sanction anymore. The latest false flag (the Russian soldiers entry; 400 Ukrainian soldiers entered Russia but Russia returned them the next day but the Ukrainians made an issue of merely ten soldiers, and judging by the corny dialogue that was given to the soldiers for the propaganda video, it was obvious they were done to gather momentum for the next hate round and consequently sanction. It fizzled because everyone will not suffer for a distant bankrupt country called Ukraine.

So will the US still hold its empire intact? Not for long. It is breaking. Faced with sure economic dive, the most powerful leader in the EU is having second thoughts .
Merkel Slams US Hegemony? "America Can't Solve All The World's Problems Anymore"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-27/merkel-slams-us-hegemony-america-cant-solve-all-worlds-problems-anymore



This is all about the battle for the Anglo-American empire. If Germany goes, the rest of the economically depressed EU follow. The Ukraine comedy will soon be forgotten.

So look beyond Ukraine now. Faced with a sinking economy & the US' ire, the German show has begun.

It's doesn't matter high or low debt numbers. Real money is only interest rates. And russia is a economical failed state atm

[Rassah]

NSA-controlled  Wikipedia

 

Do you guys think that because your government controls and sensors all information, that ours (or for Wiki, the rest of the world's) does too? Sorry to tell you guys, but your country is terrible, and places outside of it are much more free.

And funny you guys are talking about US this and that. Ukraine isn't even on the news in US, and no one here cares about it at all. US is too occupied with ISIS in Iraq, and a white cop shooting a black kid in Ferguson (small US town). US even sent troops into Iraq again, which may not have been legal to do without congress permission, so Ukraine is DEFINITELY not on anyone's watch list here.

Face it, guys. You may have thought you were supporting freedom-loving, libertarian separatists, but there's more and more evidence that you have been supporting a communist dictatorship instead.

[myshownow]

NSA-controlled  Wikipedia

 

Do you guys think that because your government controls and sensors all information, that ours (or for Wiki, the rest of the world's) does too? Sorry to tell you guys, but your country is terrible, and places outside of it are much more free.

And funny you guys are talking about US this and that. Ukraine isn't even on the news in US, and no one here cares about it at all. US is too occupied with ISIS in Iraq, and a white cop shooting a black kid in Ferguson (small US town). US even sent troops into Iraq again, which may not have been legal to do without congress permission, so Ukraine is DEFINITELY not on anyone's watch list here.

Face it, guys. You may have thought you were supporting freedom-loving, libertarian separatists, but there's more and more evidence that you have been supporting a communist dictatorship instead.

You pretend too much. Who said Ukraine is even an issue anywhere?
UKraine won't be an issue if you don't clutter this forum with your propaganda. This was meant to be just a forum for the updates on the Novorosiya war but you just sniffed that the rebels are winning and your propaganda case officer sent in so many trolls in full force and turned this forum as a dumpster for your propaganda which even a moron won't take seriously because they are too obviously contrived.

You're obviously ignorant: that political dichotomy of Left and Right, Communist, Socialist, etc. is a creation of the shadow players controlling the Anglo-European empire. They control both sides of the spectrum by controlling the finances that control everything. But they are already losing anyway so I won't bother elaborating on that, just read the American alternative press and you'll get some insights.

Repeat, don't clutter this forum. We are only interested on the updates on the Novorussian front.

My advice: you're not convincing anybody. The reverse is true. I came in here innocent but overacting propaganda on your side made me see the light and saw the Russian side.

[Balthazar]

My advice: you're not convincing anybody. The reverse is true. I came in here innocent but overacting propaganda on your side made me see the light and saw the Russian side.

He's definetely a member of United Russia party, their young league or some of their european satellites. I see the same BS liberastic logic behind this agenda, which is ready to be injected into the brain. Just read his messages and you're reprogrammed to vote for UR candidates on the upcoming parliamentary elections.

[Rassah]

You pretend too much. Who said Ukraine is even an issue anywhere?

All the people who keep taking any CIA and USA involvement, Obama, and Western Imperialism.

This was meant to be just a forum for the updates on the Novorosiya war but you just sniffed that the rebels are winning and your propaganda case officer sent in so many trolls in full force and turned this forum as a dumpster for your propaganda

So many trolls? It's just me, wasting my time and pointing out logical inconsistencies, contrived conspiracy theories, and outright lies, as I come across them. Pretty sad that one guy with a bit of free time can completely kill your soviet propaganda thread.

You're obviously ignorant: that political dichotomy of Left and Right, Communist, Socialist, etc. is a creation of the shadow players controlling the Anglo-European empire.

There's no dichotomy here. Ukraine is ruled by a left socialist government, with people who never fully let go of the old soviet style economy, but who otherwise don't care what people do and are somewhat socially liberal. Russia is ruled by ex-KGB members and wealthy oligarchs many of whom made their money by basically stealing industries and resources when Russia "privatized" them (by which I mean government officials gave them to their well connected friends), and now has a near totalitarian government that suppressed their people's freedoms, and has major imperialist ambitions and longings for the days of the USSR.

Repeat, don't clutter this forum. We are only interested on the updates on the Novorussian front.

OK, update. Russia is no longer able to fool anyone that their military troops are in Ukraine, meaning that Russia invaded Ukraine.

Sorry, but ever since the Maidan protests started, there has been a MASSIVE amount of extreme anti-Ukrainian propaganda coming out of Russia, even when Ukraine was doing nothing other than protesting Yanukovich for trying to establish dictatorial powers. Don't forget that Yanukovich and Putin were buddies, and Putin needed Yanukovich to set up deals between Russia and Ukraine, so when the protests started, Russia immediately started screaming that Maidan protesters are all fascist Nazis. This propaganda never stopped, and a lot of people who SHOULD be for freedom and liberty are falling for it, thinking that Ukraine is fascist and oppressed its people, and Russia is free and trying to liberate them, when it's the other way around: Russia is very fascist and oppressive, and while Ukraine started this fight only intending to suppress essentially hooligans and thugs running around with guns threatening and shooting people, Russia used propaganda, military support, and eventually actual military to escalate this into a full blown civil war. And since so many such propaganda threads are starting up all over, I am hoping to either dispell their lies, or shut them the hell down.

Honestly, I am against Russia invading and annexing those parts of Ukraine NOT because I support Ukrainian government (I am an anarcho-capitalist), but because I am quite sure that the people living in those areas will be MUCH worth under a repressive Russian rule. Case in point, Russia has arrested and imprisoned a documentary film maker from Crimea for 5 years, because they don't like what he wanted to say. Why would any of you support a country that gives a 5 year prison sentence for speech?

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My advice: you're not convincing anybody. The reverse is true. I came in here innocent but overacting propaganda on your side made me see the light and saw the Russian side.

He's definetely a member of United Russia party,

United Russia party? I don't even know what that is. I am against all and any Russia, so I don't think that's me.