Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[keymone2]

Furthermore, satellite evidence showed that MH17 was shadowed by Ukrainian fighter jets so that cannot be denied. Also, the plane was ordered to lower from 35,000 feet to 33,000 feet by Ukraine air traffic control. And finally, all the Air Traffic control tapes were confiscated and have never been released. All of this is extremely suspicious and point to a coverup from the Ukraine authorities.

"Furthermore, satellite evidence showed that MH17 was shadowed by Ukrainian fighter jets so that cannot be denied." i deny that, please prove.

also do you think russian ministry of defense is stupid enough to mix MiG-29 with SU-25?

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By the way, who shot down the Malaysian Airline?

A Ukrainiain MiG-29.

http://linkis.com/themillenniumreport.com/Ay72W

The whole MH17 thing was one of the most obvious false flags ever. Not only did it coincide with strangely coordinated numerology,  but there has been so much obvious evidence of a coverup that even the most hardened of conspiracy theory deniers would have to give pause.

But who's conspiring against whom?
And people claiming that it's a "false flag" should explain the story so that it makes sense, rather than just making empty claims.

Shooting down a civilian airline in shady circumstances near a combat area, would surely fuel a conflict with both sides blaming the other side for the crime. Why would Ukraine risk self-destruction just to co-operate with some shady 'NWO' or whatever? It makes no sense.

What makes more sense is that the invaders, Russia, wanted something to look like a false flag. Another possibility is that it was an accident. Fighter pilots probably couldn't see what type of plane it was, and a bunch of small-time think tanks/NWO conspiracy knobs are trying to use the mayhem to recruit suckers into their cults.

Also, there has been a secret agreement that all of the investigating countries have signed Non-Disclosures, so whatever the outcome of the investigation... it will never be made known publicly.

Yeah, yeah. And I suppose that that part was accidentally leaked?

[blablahblah]

Furthermore, satellite evidence showed that MH17 was shadowed by Ukrainian fighter jets so that cannot be denied. Also, the plane was ordered to lower from 35,000 feet to 33,000 feet by Ukraine air traffic control. And finally, all the Air Traffic control tapes were confiscated and have never been released. All of this is extremely suspicious and point to a coverup from the Ukraine authorities.

"Furthermore, satellite evidence showed that MH17 was shadowed by Ukrainian fighter jets so that cannot be denied." i deny that, please prove.

also do you think russian ministry of defense is stupid enough to mix MiG-29 with SU-25?

Of course! How silly of me... The Russians have already inspected the wreckage, done metallurgical analysis on the shrapnel, and chemical analysis of the soot, thus determining that the exact weapon used... was not the Russian one.

[Pagan]

Stavropolsk Committee of Mothers of Soldiers (Russia) has put together a lost if 400 killed and wounded Russian soldiers. Four hundred



http://tvrain.ru/articles/komitet_soldatskih_materej_sostavil_spisok_iz_400_ranenyh_i_ubityh_rossijskih_soldat-374625/

[chopstick]

Pro-Kiev Ukraine Bloggers put up a database of separatists, allowing them to be more easily identified and arrested by secret services...

http://metelyk.org/

[keymone2]

What makes more sense is that the invaders, Russia, wanted something to look like a false flag. Another possibility is that it was an accident. Fighter pilots probably couldn't see what type of plane it was, and a bunch of small-time think tanks/NWO conspiracy knobs are trying to use the mayhem to recruit suckers into their cults.

"Another possibility is that it was an accident." it's almost obvious it was an error on rebel side. there is no way any side would have wanted their hands dirty with murdering hundreds of europeans - that's just ludicrous.

rebels were regularly downing ukrainian airplanes and just minutes after downing MH17 Strelkov reported and russian media retranslated that rebels have shot down another ukrainian AN26. except that was not AN26. pretty fucking huge clue, isn't it?

[keymone2]

Pro-Kiev Ukraine Bloggers put up a database of separatists, allowing them to be more easily identified and arrested by secret services...

http://metelyk.org/

oh but you know how many of those projects exist in russia and crimea do you? can't be that much of a shocker.

[chopstick]

NAF  has taken Mariupol, UA is launching counterattacks aimed at stopping the advance.

Lots of stuff going down today.

[audereyy]

USA & Ukraine are condemned. No way they can win this war.

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Yeah, volunteers. The worst kinds of idiots. Dumb enough to kill other people for some nationalist crap that they truly believe in. Bloody jihadists...

Yes, idiots for choosing to defend their lands from blatantly genocidal GRAD and white phosphorus attacks aimed at them on the behalf of Western imperialism.

I guess honor and courage are hard things to come by these days.

How do you know it wasn't Russian white phosphorus on behalf of Russian imperialism?


Because the Kremlin spoke: "no, it was not Russia."

[chopstick]

Yeah, volunteers. The worst kinds of idiots. Dumb enough to kill other people for some nationalist crap that they truly believe in. Bloody jihadists...

Yes, idiots for choosing to defend their lands from blatantly genocidal GRAD and white phosphorus attacks aimed at them on the behalf of Western imperialism.

I guess honor and courage are hard things to come by these days.

How do you know it wasn't Russian white phosphorus on behalf of Russian imperialism?


Because the Kremlin spoke: "no, it was not Russia."

First of all, Russia is not involved in the war, other than some volunteers.  Second, they have no reason to kill pro-Russian citizens, unlike the Ukrainian regime.

The Ukraine regime benefits from the shelling of Luhansk and Donetsk. Not only does it terrorize the citizens there and keep them in a constant state of agony, but it also demoralizes the Rebel troops.

Also, there is no need for the population to be there once they install those Fracking installations

[chopstick]

Food for thought.

http://pando.com/2014/08/26/welcome-to-the-luhansk-peoples-republic-following-the-russian-convoy-into-rebel-held-ukraine/

While Ukraine continues to deny it targets civilian areas, the evidence is overwhelming and comes from all sorts of sources: eyewitnesses, firsthand accounts by Russian and Western journalists, as well as NGOs. Human Rights Watch investigated multiple unguided rocket attacks on populated areas, and concluded that Ukraine’s military strategy “violates international humanitarian law” and “may amount to war crimes.”

[chopstick]

NOW - protest near Presidential admin. in #Kyiv w demands to provide support to surrounded troops in E.#Ukraine pic.twitter.com/0FakvFLH1k

https://twitter.com/v_solohub/status/504645666493464576/photo/1

For those who don't know, currently some where between 10-20k Ukrainian troops are surrounded and being wiped out with artillery. They are running out of food and ammo due to encirclement. Yet another major military disaster for Ukraine....

[blablahblah]

Yeah, volunteers. The worst kinds of idiots. Dumb enough to kill other people for some nationalist crap that they truly believe in. Bloody jihadists...

Yes, idiots for choosing to defend their lands from blatantly genocidal GRAD and white phosphorus attacks aimed at them on the behalf of Western imperialism.

I guess honor and courage are hard things to come by these days.

How do you know it wasn't Russian white phosphorus on behalf of Russian imperialism?


Because the Kremlin spoke: "no, it was not Russia."

First of all, Russia is not involved in the war, other than some volunteers.

Russia obviously likes using "volunteers" because it allows them to do all the dirty work, such as using banned weapons, but without facing any consequences because it's all unofficial.

  Second, they have no reason to kill pro-Russian citizens, unlike the Ukrainian regime.

Stir up trouble. Send "peacekeepers". Take over, steal Ukrainian land and resources. Rinse and repeat.
Which part do you fail to understand?

The Ukraine regime benefits from the shelling of Luhansk and Donetsk. Not only does it terrorize the citizens there and keep them in a constant state of agony, but it also demoralizes the Rebel troops.

Also, there is no need for the population to be there once they install those Fracking installations

Just like I said, Russia wants to steal. And if Russia can't have the resources, no-one can.

[chopstick]

Yeah, volunteers. The worst kinds of idiots. Dumb enough to kill other people for some nationalist crap that they truly believe in. Bloody jihadists...

Yes, idiots for choosing to defend their lands from blatantly genocidal GRAD and white phosphorus attacks aimed at them on the behalf of Western imperialism.

I guess honor and courage are hard things to come by these days.

How do you know it wasn't Russian white phosphorus on behalf of Russian imperialism?


Because the Kremlin spoke: "no, it was not Russia."

First of all, Russia is not involved in the war, other than some volunteers.

Russia obviously likes using "volunteers" because it allows them to do all the dirty work, such as using banned weapons, but without facing any consequences because it's all unofficial.

  Second, they have no reason to kill pro-Russian citizens, unlike the Ukrainian regime.

Stir up trouble. Send "peacekeepers". Take over, steal Ukrainian land and resources. Rinse and repeat.
Which part do you fail to understand?

The Ukraine regime benefits from the shelling of Luhansk and Donetsk. Not only does it terrorize the citizens there and keep them in a constant state of agony, but it also demoralizes the Rebel troops.

Also, there is no need for the population to be there once they install those Fracking installations

Just like I said, Russia wants to steal. And if Russia can't have the resources, no-one can.

point 1 - it is mostly locals of Donbass, Donetsk, etc. that comprise the militia army. It is a minority of russian volunteers.

As far as them using banned weapons,  you haven't seen the rebels using white phosphorus or ballistic missiles on civilians, so that is a joke of an argument really.


point 2 - You are delusional to think that Russia would bomb pro-Russian territories. To gain land? WTF? Russia doesn't need the land, in fact they are actively calling for peace in the area.

Meanwhile, Ukraine air force jets continually bomb civilian areas.

point 3 - More anti-Russian delusion. You act like Russia are some big evil bear. When in reality, they have done more to improve the situation than anyone else (by sending in humanitarian aid for example.)

It is the West that wants the land. That's why they funded the original coup with 5 billion dollars. There are Trillions of $ of shale gas in Ukraine - and the West wants it badly. This is an imperialist war of Western aggression.

[jurij.timofejev]

DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

Ukrainian soldiers are heroes, who defend their country, BUT on opposite side there are:
a) Russian and pro-Russian killers;
b) innocent regular Russian army soldiers sent to kill and die against their own will .

The last 2 are terrorists and occupants.

Who of them are you supporting - heroes or occupants?

[chopstick]

Well looks like things are going well for the Rebels.

Novorossiya Military Briefing – Novorossiya Shall Be!

http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/27/the-southern-front-catastrophe-august-27-2014/

snip:

We are currently witnessing an epic and in its own way historic event. The Ukrainian regular army and the punitive battalions are suffering a catastrophic defeat to the south of Donetsk. Only a short time ago the Republics were in dire straits: the DPR was hanging only by a thin supply thread, which the Ukrainian army was attempting to sever near Shakhtersk and Krasnyi Luch; the summit of Saur-Mogila has been abandoned, and Bolotov’s counteroffensive had failed to bring decisive victories.

To many it seemed that the Militia forces were on the ropes and just about to break, which would have led to the collapse of Novorossiya and a military victory for the fascist Junta. Nevertheless, the Militia managed to withstand the most severe blow, which the Junta dealt with all the forces available to it in the first half of August. The Junta did not conceal its plans, and the preparations for the assaults on Shakhtersk and Lugansk were openly discussed. The bravura level of the Junta’s triumphant reports that came with each new breakthrough of its mechanized battle groups was off the charts.


More at link.

[chopstick]

DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

Ukrainian soldiers are heroes, who defend their country, BUT on opposite side there are:
a) Russian and pro-Russian killers;
b) innocent regular Russian army soldiers sent to kill and die against their own will .

The last 2 are terrorists and occupants.

Who of them are you supporting - heroes or occupants?

You operate out of pure delusion.

[Pagan]

Who is fascist - plain and simple.



http://pc.blogspot.in/2014/08/putins-libertarians.html

Wow. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts? Can you give an example? I didn't realise it was so bad. Although it does seem predictable with the criteria spelled out like that.


Side note: I would estimate that the US is almost as bad as Russia for most of those criteria. Although their love of fame, brands, and endorsements (cult of personality), would appear to counteract any cultural dislike of intellectuals.

Cult of personality: Well, maybe a kind of.

Single-party system: Not even close to truth.

Identification of enemies as a Unifiying Cause: Half-truth here, it's correct for ukraine too.

Militarism: Not even close to truth, there were no "anti-terrorist operation" or illegal mobilization. By the way, our president and government officials don't pose in camouflage, as Poroshenko and Turchinov like to do. If you're speaking about Crimea then remember that Sevastopol was annexed by Ukraine in 1993 without any referendum.

Controlled mass-media: Not even close to truth. The most of federal TV channels are private owned, except for 1st channel, 51% of which is owned by state. Despite ITAR-TASS news agency is 100% state-owned there are also some 100% private-owned new agencies such as Interfax. In the Ukraine almost all media outlets are owned directly by government officials. 100% of 5th channel is owned by Poroshenko, 100% of ATN and 1+1 TV channels are owned by Ihor Kolomoyski, etc.

Obsession with National Security: Half-Truth here. Ukrainian Security Service see russian spy or GRU agent in any person, even in your cat.

Disdain of Intellectualsnand Arts: WTF?

Religion and government are interwened: Not even close to truth. For examples you need to know that Russian Orthodox Church doesn't recognize independence of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Republic of Crimea. They consider them as parts of Georgia and Ukraine respectively.

Fraudulent Elections: Not even funny to compare.

So the final results are:

Exact match: 1 (11.11%)
Half-Truth: 2 (22.22%)
Not even close to truth: 4 (44.44%)
Unclassified: 2

You know what does it mean.

@Balthazar " Disdain of Intellectualsnand Arts: WTF? " - Soviet style slander campaign, analogous to the anti-Sakharov campaign of 1973 and the Stalinist period - Russian Rock Star Makarevich Slammed in State TV Smear Campaign

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-rock-star-makarevich-slammed-by-state-run-tv/505907.html

[jurij.timofejev]

You operate out of pure delusion.

One more video with 10 Russian soldiers:
http://ru.tsn.ua/video/video-novini/10-ti-zaderzhannyh-rossiyskih-desantnikov-uzhe-dali-pokazaniya-sluzhbe-bezopasnosti-ukrainy.html?type=1552

Do you understand at least Russian? If yes, then you will be enlightened  .