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[Hueristic]

Just remembered we were going to discuss whether too increase the lineup size but never got to it.

What do you guys think, too late or is 4 days enough to discuss it?

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[bbc.reporter]

@Hueristic. I vote no as the newbie of the group hehe. However, I not mind if everyone unanimously votes yes. How much players per line up will there be if we increase this?

Also, there is a chance that I might be late for maybe 5 minutes and miss the first rounds.

[Hueristic]

@Hueristic. I vote no as the newbie of the group hehe. However, I not mind if everyone unanimously votes yes. How much players per line up will there be if we increase this?

Also, if I am late for 5 minutes, can I still join?

I would say it should be unanimous so your veto is enough.

Just thinking it would make the waiver wire more interesting.

You can join at anytime up to the final second, if your late you will get autodrafted so take some time to setup your draft list. Speaking of which I need to get to setting mine up, I like to wait till after preseason, it changes do to the injuries.

[wheelz1200]

J.K. Dobbins is likely out for the season:

source: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1431983214424465410

J.K. Dobbins currently is undergoing his MRI, but the expectation going in was that he had suffered a season-ending knee injury, per sources.

I had this dude in 90% of my mock drafts, you hate to see when a promising young RB goes down with a serious knee injury, especially in a preseason game. Ravens now have the record for most consecutive preseason wins in a row at 20, but at what cost?

Jags ml + 49ers ml is my ticket for today, looking to finish strong. hehe   btw, Joe Burrow is expected to play a few series for the Bengals, probably worth checking...

Yeah shame.  Kid looked real good at the end of last year he was pretty high on everyone's board.  Hope he comes back next year strong hate seeing these season ending injuries.  People were getting on Harbaugh but every coach played their starters in game 3 pretty much.  It's the name of the game, inevitable someone goes down

[wheelz1200]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32119363/sources-new-england-patriots-cut-cam-newton-mac-jones-start

Cam gets cut.  Bill going all in on Mac Jones.  He is the type of qb that Bill likes, cam didn't really fit the scheme but still aittle surprised.  No way they trade for a qb now they are all in one.  If they gave up draft capital for a backup after dropping cam that would be the dumbest thing they could do.  Should be an interesting year with a bunch of the rookie qbs probably going to start.  Could get 4 starting rookie qbs this year.

[morvillz7z]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32119363/sources-new-england-patriots-cut-cam-newton-mac-jones-start

Cam gets cut.  <...>

Did they say why he is released?

Afaik, Cam hasn't revealed whether he's vaccinated or not, if you get a positive test for covid, you're going to miss at least 10 days, and close contact was five days or something like that. Belichick is obviously not playing around...if the reason is, of course, that he could miss time during the regular season.

Wouldn't it be better if they tried to trade him and get something in return, instead of just letting him go for nothing?

[Hueristic]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32119363/sources-new-england-patriots-cut-cam-newton-mac-jones-start

Cam gets cut.  Bill going all in on Mac Jones.  He is the type of qb that Bill likes, cam didn't really fit the scheme but still aittle surprised.  No way they trade for a qb now they are all in one.  If they gave up draft capital for a backup after dropping cam that would be the dumbest thing they could do.  Should be an interesting year with a bunch of the rookie qbs probably going to start.  Could get 4 starting rookie qbs this year.

Covid Cam Cut has a ring to it.

Patriots super spreader event has hit the bricks.

I think he would have made it to game 4 if he had gotten vaxed.


The thing I don't see being mentioned is Hoyer is more than capable and has looked good not to mention he was in the patriot system previously.

Wouldn't it be better if they tried to trade him and get something in return, instead of just letting him go for nothing?

He's toxic no-one wants him.

[ChiBitCTy]

Wow I have to say I am a bit shocked by the news of the Patriots releasing Cam.  I did not expect that to happen.  I figured they'd at least give Cam the nod to start and if he struggled they could easily just put in the rookie.  I personally think this is kind of crazy that they didn't at least keep him for a bit to let the rookie learn/grow or use him as a back up in case they needed to bring him in for whatever reason.  Personally I just don't think this was a smart move.

[DireWolfM14]

Wow I have to say I am a bit shocked by the news of the Patriots releasing Cam.  I did not expect that to happen.  I figured they'd at least give Cam the nod to start and if he struggled they could easily just put in the rookie.  I personally think this is kind of crazy that they didn't at least keep him for a bit to let the rookie learn/grow or use him as a back up in case they needed to bring him in for whatever reason.  Personally I just don't think this was a smart move.

Holy macaroni, that's a surprising move for Belichick.  It was pretty obvious that Jones played better during the preseason, but that doesn't always translate to the regular season.  I've never been a fan of Cam Newton, but I tend to agree that this was a bad move.  I think Mac Jones has the potential to thrive in the Patriots system, he's built for that type of offense, but I also think he would have benefited from a slower approach.

[ChiBitCTy]

Have you guys had your draft yet?  I have my drafts coming up this week on Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday.  Just curious if you guys have had it, how it went and kinda curious to see what you guy's teams look like.  Also I'd like to ask what guys you all like sleeper wise, dudes who are over-ranked and those who have a lot of value as to where they are being drafted.  Obviously may not be a good idea to discuss this until your draft is over 

[wheelz1200]

Have you guys had your draft yet?  I have my drafts coming up this week on Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday.  Just curious if you guys have had it, how it went and kinda curious to see what you guy's teams look like.  Also I'd like to ask what guys you all like sleeper wise, dudes who are over-ranked and those who have a lot of value as to where they are being drafted.  Obviously may not be a good idea to discuss this until your draft is over 

Not yet we are going this Friday.  And as far as having cam cut nothing worse than having a rookie starting qb and having someone like a disgruntled ex star to fiddle with the locker room.  I don't mind the cut.  They weren't going to get anything for cam anyway, they know the Pats were on the ledge with him.  Cam might have seen his day, playing for bottom teams or backing up a starter on a contending team.  Not much room in the NFL for error.

[South Park]

Did they say why he is released?

Afaik, Cam hasn't revealed whether he's vaccinated or not, if you get a positive test for covid, you're going to miss at least 10 days, and close contact was five days or something like that. Belichick is obviously not playing around...if the reason is, of course, that he could miss time during the regular season.

I think this is the main reason why he was let go, regardless of what we think about getting the vaccine or not it is obvious that for the teams having the majority of the players get the vaccine is going to provide a competitive advantage, if Cam was the undisputed starter maybe he could have gotten away with not getting the vaccine but Belichick is not going to accept this for a backup and he decided to cut him.

Wouldn't it be better if they tried to trade him and get something in return, instead of just letting him go for nothing?

I think Cam had a contract for only one year so trading him was not an option as no one will trade for a backup QB.

[nutildah]

So I was finally doing a bit of draft research and see that ESPN recommends this as the #1 pick:



Draft rank 1.4 and Position Rank 51?

I realize he was out for a lot of last season but what guarantees do people have this guy's gonna be as good as he once was? I'm probably missing something here. Just saying you if you guys want him, probably won't have to talk me out of him.

[morvillz7z]

So I was finally doing a bit of draft research and see that ESPN recommends this as the #1 pick:
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That position rank 51 you see on his card is solely based on last year's stats, McCaffrey played in 3 games, hence the low rank.

For example, Saquon Barkley's rank is 119, again based on last year's performance.  You will be nuts to trade him, or not draft him at 1!


Damien Harris 3rd down and goal-line opportunities:

[Hueristic]

So I was finally doing a bit of draft research and see that ESPN recommends this as the #1 pick:



Draft rank 1.4 and Position Rank 51?

I realize he was out for a lot of last season but what guarantees do people have this guy's gonna be as good as he once was? I'm probably missing something here. Just saying you if you guys want him, probably won't have to talk me out of him.

Whoever is telling to pick him with your coveted number one pick is playing you!

Don't fall for it!

[nutildah]

For example, Saquon Barkley's rank is 119, again based on last year's performance.  You will be nuts to trade him, or not draft him at 1!

Clearly, if you didn't want Saquon Barkley, you wouldn't have said that -- you would put the poisoned cup in front of you!



Everybody knows, never invade Russia in the winter, and never go against a Sicilian whenever death is on the line! Ahahaha

[bbc.reporter]

I was not very shocked with the update that Covid Cam was replaced by Mac Jones. All the articles I was reading about him said that he was never going to take the Patriots to the playoffs and would be cut by week 4. I reckon next cut will be Andy Dalton or whoever the Bears starting quarterback will be.

[ChiBitCTy]

So I was finally doing a bit of draft research and see that ESPN recommends this as the #1 pick:



Draft rank 1.4 and Position Rank 51?

I realize he was out for a lot of last season but what guarantees do people have this guy's gonna be as good as he once was? I'm probably missing something here. Just saying you if you guys want him, probably won't have to talk me out of him.

McCaffrey is easily the number one pick and I pray that I could get that pick in any of my drafts.  It is sure as shit not going to happen because I am cursed, but I can always dream lol.  There are never any guarantees for any player, Christian is as good of a duel threat both rushing and catching as it gets in the NFL.  He has proven that he deserves to be the number one.  The only other player I would consider at #1 in Henry.  I like Cook and Kamara too but there are issues with choosing them as #1 IMO.

[ChiBitCTy]

Almost every 49er's coach in history has loved to rotate running backs and full backs situationally.  As a result it makes even our best running back a relatively poor choice for FF, in my opinion.  Mostert is likely to get the lion's share of snaps, but I predict we'll see a lot of Trey Sermon also.

Yeah I had him and Coleman a few years ago and trying to figure out which one of them (I think there was Breida too) was gonna get the share week to week was impossible! I ended up only playing one if the other 2 were hurt and that worked out well. Same with NE, I will never draft NE RBs.

I am having a really hard time trying to decide how to draft the Niners running back situation.  I think Mostert will certainly get the lead duties to start, but lets not forget he's had like 1 good season and bounced from team to team for years.  There's a reason the Niners draft Trey Sermon.  I am not sure I want anything to do with that backfield but if I do have to draft someone it'll probably be Sermon.

[South Park]

So I was finally doing a bit of draft research and see that ESPN recommends this as the #1 pick:



Draft rank 1.4 and Position Rank 51?

I realize he was out for a lot of last season but what guarantees do people have this guy's gonna be as good as he once was? I'm probably missing something here. Just saying you if you guys want him, probably won't have to talk me out of him.

I have not researched McCaffrey deeply as my assumption is he will be out of the draftboard by the time I am on the clock, however he has been stellar the previous seasons and many assume this is going to keep being the case, I do not remember the injury he suffered as at the time I just thought the Panthers will suck without him and then I thought they will still suck even with him so it was not a big deal to me at the time as I was not into FF.

This is why FF is as much art as it is science as the majority of the top picks have some negatives as well which could reduce their expected performance, Henry is unlikely to maintain his performance, because if he did it will mean that he will break the single season rushing record due to the additional game, Barkley comes from an injury as well, Elliott will depend on Dak remaining healthy or he will face a full box all year and Kamara does not have Brees anymore, but I understand your worries because if you happen to miss on the first pick then you do not get a pick until the end of the second round, and by that time a lot of elite players are gone.