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March 19, 2024, 03:45:09 PM
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Mbappe was the only one at PSG after Neymar and messi's departure. His departure is certainly a big red flag for PSG especially for the next season. If he leaves there will surely be someone to replace him but there is enough doubt among fans as to who will be his equal. We have seen that since he announced his departure from the club, the coach has been reluctant to give him a chance to play. But he proved once again that he is still the best, his hat-trick against Montpellier once again made his fans realize what kind of player he is. However, even if PSG can top the League 1 this season, it is almost clear that their condition may worsen in the next season. Coach Luis Enrique is now heavily criticized on how to handle the team.
I think everyone knows how influential Mbappe is on PSG's performance. But Mbappe left PSG because of his own wishes, and there was nothing Luis Enrique or the club management could do. What we have to think about next season is how to find players like Mbappe, or at least those who can fill the place left by Mbappe. As I said before it is very impossible to find a player like Mbappe. But it can at least have 50% of Mbappe's level.

Of course PSG will play worse next season because Mbappe leaves. But I think PSG still has a big chance to win the League title again. They really have to try harder to get it because there will be a significant decline in performance in the PSG game. I haven't seen any other team that can be a competitor to PSG in the league even after PSG loses Mbappe next season.

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March 19, 2024, 04:52:23 PM
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AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.
This is a surprising result where the favored Monaco won the match actually had to draw in the match. The draw obtained made Lille closer to Monaco's points so that currently only three points adrift. Though the match was a chance for Monaco to be ranked second, where Brest also played in the match in the same president when facing Lille.

For competition for the title of title, it no longer has an opportunity for Brest and Monaco because PSG is quite comfortable at the top of the standings, so that competition is almost certain to be much heavier. Now the task of Monaco is to maintain the position of qualifying for the Champions League zone because if they are negligent then Lille could have pursued their position in the third standings, so Monaco must play more consistently to maintain the position of the standings.

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March 19, 2024, 05:36:19 PM
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AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.

An own goal in the 1st minute made by Lorient players brought the lead to Monaco until the 26th minute, but unfortunately Monaco also gave an equalizing goal for Lorient to make the score 1-1 also through an own goa in the 27th minute, throughout the first half the two teams looked quite evenly matched and Lorient who was not the favorite in the match was able to provide a great enough resistance for Monaco,  I think the first half maybe there will be goals that are created again because indeed both of them played quite impressively but unfortunately the score of 1-1 was the end of the first half of the game.

In the second half, there were not too many changes that occurred in the game of the two teams who were equally impressive in attack, but indeed Monaco who were hunting for 3 points in the game were more aggressive and finally they were able to make the lead in the 60th minute, when victory was in sight began to appear but Monaco slightly reduced the intensity of their attack,  and Monaco did not expect that Lorient 10 players would actually be able to equalize the score to 2-2.
I think Monaco should have been able to get 3 points in the game if they could anticipate the lorient wing attack in the final minute, but indeed Monaco players looked more piled up than guarding the Lorient players who were in the defend area, the failure to get 3 points in the game made monaco fail to take second place from Brest and failed to move away from Lille who were ranked 4 Ligue 1.

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March 19, 2024, 06:22:22 PM
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I think everyone knows how influential Mbappe is on PSG's performance. But Mbappe left PSG because of his own wishes, and there was nothing Luis Enrique or the club management could do. What we have to think about next season is how to find players like Mbappe, or at least those who can fill the place left by Mbappe. As I said before it is very impossible to find a player like Mbappe. But it can at least have 50% of Mbappe's level.

Of course PSG will play worse next season because Mbappe leaves. But I think PSG still has a big chance to win the League title again. They really have to try harder to get it because there will be a significant decline in performance in the PSG game. I haven't seen any other team that can be a competitor to PSG in the league even after PSG loses Mbappe next season.
No one having any doubt about Kylian Mbappé performance and quality, but now things are taking good change, and surely we will have this as well in PSG with they already have quality coach like Luis Enrique which is going to take good strategy for setting things as they needed for the next season in current season their progress is as they were looking specially now they are in quarterfinal of the Champions League which is good achievement for them and most chances they will be able to find a good striker which will give them good support specially we are having few rumours about two with Victor Osimhen is favourite, and he is surely had ability and quality to bring things on good level.

We will have some issues after the Mbappé but PSG is surely one of the richest clubs, and they can bring any player for the replacement and surely things will be also not as worst as many are expecting because in this season they were doing good even they have no too many big names into their squad, so all will be set with good level, and they will be having new start which will bring better success.

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March 19, 2024, 06:25:39 PM
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I think everyone knows how influential Mbappe is on PSG's performance. But Mbappe left PSG because of his own wishes, and there was nothing Luis Enrique or the club management could do. What we have to think about next season is how to find players like Mbappe, or at least those who can fill the place left by Mbappe. As I said before it is very impossible to find a player like Mbappe. But it can at least have 50% of Mbappe's level.

Of course PSG will play worse next season because Mbappe leaves. But I think PSG still has a big chance to win the League title again. They really have to try harder to get it because there will be a significant decline in performance in the PSG game. I haven't seen any other team that can be a competitor to PSG in the league even after PSG loses Mbappe next season.
PSG will definitely experience ups and downs in performance next season, because they are very dependent on Mbappe. Losing Mbappe is certainly a big loss, management must be able to recruit new players to cover the post left by Mbappe. It is possible that PSG will be a little unstable at the start of the season, and this is very normal, it takes a while for a team to adjust to the new season and new players. Moreover, if Enrique changes many more things in the main lineup, then they will definitely need more adaptations.

Meanwhile, it cannot be denied that PSG status as the favorite team in Ligue 1 is irreplaceable, even though they lose Mbappe next season. Overall, Enrique certainly knows what he has to do, he is very experienced as a head coach. Management will definitely provide a certain amount of budget to be used in the next transfer window, to bring in players to replace Mbappe. However, they actually do not lack talented players in the team, what they really need are players who can increase their competitiveness in the Champions League.

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PSG are in excellent form right now. Luis Enrique has been able to completely stabilize the team. The bonding between the players is now stronger. Since the understanding between the players is good now, PSG's overall performance is also quite strong.

PSG performed brilliantly against Montpellier. Mbappe's performance in particular was excellent. He scored the goal in this match Mbappe. Mbappe did the same assist. Also Vitinha's performance was very good in this match. Vitinha has one goal and two assists. PSG's overall gameplay was very good, and every attack was planned. A total of 16 shots were taken by PSG players in this match, 9 of which were on target.
PSG definitely looks like the dominating powerhouse that they are once again, and they were always like that, they just didn't felt the need to show it. Now that they got a few ties, other people were like "does PSG getting worse?" and then they showed that no they are not getting worse, they are just not caring and if they cared this is what would happen. I am quite happy that we are considering the situation to be a lot better right now, PSG definitely looks like it is going to be strong enough.

I hope that it gets to a point where we could end up with a much better PSG next season as well, a better manager, and no Mbappe drama, could mean that they could actually have a strong future as well, could be something to think.

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March 19, 2024, 06:49:40 PM
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This is a surprising result where the favored Monaco won the match actually had to draw in the match. The draw obtained made Lille closer to Monaco's points so that currently only three points adrift. Though the match was a chance for Monaco to be ranked second, where Brest also played in the match in the same president when facing Lille.

For competition for the title of title, it no longer has an opportunity for Brest and Monaco because PSG is quite comfortable at the top of the standings, so that competition is almost certain to be much heavier. Now the task of Monaco is to maintain the position of qualifying for the Champions League zone because if they are negligent then Lille could have pursued their position in the third standings, so Monaco must play more consistently to maintain the position of the standings.
There is nothing new from the Monaco because we have history of this club usually they drop points near the end of the season and many times bring themselves out of the top four even this time things are looking better for them to stay into top four but still competition is not easy for them with we have three teams which are having just 4 points difference from them for the top four spots which they can grab from them near the end of the season now it's time for them to have some improvement and bring themselves better and consistent for ending on better spot.

After the break we will have few top competitions which will surely bring changes in league table and things will be more challenging like Marseille is going to host PSG and then Lille going to host Lens both are trying their best for keeping Intouch for the top four and Monaco and Nice are lucky with these both are going to face relegation zone teams which will give them some boost, but they needed to be at the top for the having full three points from these matches.

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March 19, 2024, 06:51:02 PM
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PSG definitely looks like the dominating powerhouse that they are once again, and they were always like that, they just didn't felt the need to show it. Now that they got a few ties, other people were like "does PSG getting worse?" and then they showed that no they are not getting worse, they are just not caring and if they cared this is what would happen. I am quite happy that we are considering the situation to be a lot better right now, PSG definitely looks like it is going to be strong enough.

I hope that it gets to a point where we could end up with a much better PSG next season as well, a better manager, and no Mbappe drama, could mean that they could actually have a strong future as well, could be something to think.
PSG president have messed up in the past and have also learned his lessons, he's keen on improving this season. Nasser Al-Khelaifi will not leave soon because he ensured the team is fixed to his very taste this season. PSG will strive for best results because they're in sitting in position of topping the table. They will continue to dominate because of the presence of outstanding players in the team. No team in France can match up the formidable form of Paris Saint-Germain this season. It's been one of the tremendous form to watch this big club having good moments in matches.

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March 19, 2024, 06:51:29 PM
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Neymar Messi has left the club, but the club has not stopped their activities, so when Mbappe leaves the club, PSG may hire another player to replace him. Even if they hire another player, maybe PSG can't sign a player like Mbappe at the moment because Mbappe is the best player at the moment. 

When Messi and Neymar played together for PSG, we expected PSG to achieve the highest in the season but we saw PSG exit from the Super Sixteen in the Champions League. PSG has not qualified for the quarter-finals of the Champions League this season without Neymar and Messi, so if Mbappe leaves, who will replace him, PSG's performance will not be blocked at all.
This is matter of understanding with many are feeling things will be not competitive as currently, but they are not understanding there is no stop with any players leave because we have replacement and things like these are happening for the years we have many big stars those were important now living in shadow of their own with replacements are working and game is also on so after Mbappé surely we will have a replacement which will give his best and PSG will be able to stay at the top of the French Ligue 1 with their performance and consistency.

PSG is club with rich history and best available sources, and recently we have few positive changes which are now giving them better success because sometime back no one was sure about their spot into last eight, and now we are talking they can go into final or semifinal as well because new coach is doing good work and positive results are coming as well.

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March 19, 2024, 07:10:56 PM
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AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.
Despite my initial expectation for Monaco to emerge victorious due to their perceived superiority, the match ended in a draw, much to my surprise. However, this outcome wasn't entirely unexpected, as Monaco has struggled against Lorient for several seasons now. Even in their previous encounter, the first leg resulted in a 2-2 draw, indicating the challenge Monaco faces when playing against Lorient.

Underestimating certain teams can be detrimental, especially when considering various factors such as form and past performances. Teams that may appear weak or out of form can still pose a significant challenge to those in better form. Some teams possess a certain resilience that makes them difficult to defeat regardless of their current form. Additionally, weaker teams may have a deep understanding of their opponents' tactics and patterns, making it harder for the stronger team to secure a victory.

In the case of Monaco, I thoroughly analyzed their head-to-head record and wasn't convinced that they would easily win the game against Lorient. This uncertainty led me to abstain from placing a bet on the match, as I couldn't confidently predict the outcome. Overall, this situation underscores the importance of considering various factors and not underestimating any team when assessing match outcomes.

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March 19, 2024, 07:12:22 PM
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AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.

Lorient really pulled a surprising performance on that match because they have been struggling on the table to try if they could come up a bit but they are still close to the relegation zone, so meeting As Monaco on this match became almost certain that they will lose the match against As Monaco but there sudden performance was what actually surprises everybody and seeing how they were so improve that they gave As Monaco a very tough time but although if As Monaco had not gotten the red card they would have actually win the match because immediately after the red card it was not long Lorient equalize the goal.

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March 19, 2024, 08:27:35 PM
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AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.

Lorient really pulled a surprising performance on that match because they have been struggling on the table to try if they could come up a bit but they are still close to the relegation zone, so meeting As Monaco on this match became almost certain that they will lose the match against As Monaco but there sudden performance was what actually surprises everybody and seeing how they were so improve that they gave As Monaco a very tough time but although if As Monaco had not gotten the red card they would have actually win the match because immediately after the red card it was not long Lorient equalize the goal.

In fact, Lorient second goal also occurred in the last minutes of the match and thus, then at least Monaco has also been able to ensure to win. But unfortunately, bad luck happened to Monaco because at the end of the match Lorient managed to make a second goal so finally the match ended with a score of 2-2 draw. But indeed, ofcourse this result is a very regrettable result because after all, playing at home against a team that is in the bottomzone of the standings is certainly a great opportunity for Monaco to win and also to overtake Brest in second place. But even so, thefact is that Monaco still has safepoints in third place and yes, with the results of points like that I personally believe that Monaco is able to finish in the topthree and get a Champion League ticket for next season.

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March 19, 2024, 08:43:44 PM
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It's a shame that Monaco failed to secure a win at home after only drawing 2-2 against Lorient. Both teams played quite hard and the statistics also show that the two teams played quite evenly. But there was one unique thing in this match where both teams opened the scoring with an own goal from their players and a sight like this is very rare in a football match.

On the other hand, Monaco could have won because they scored the second goal in the 60th minute through Fofana but unfortunately they failed to maintain that narrow lead after Lorient didn't give up until the final minute. Bakayoko saved Lorient from defeat after scoring a goal in the 90+4 minute and forcing Monaco to only share one point. This match was also marked by a red card received by one of the players from each team. This result made Monaco fail to reach second place in the standings after Brest also only drew 1-1 against Lille.

AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.
But it is difficult when a club that is indeed in the bottom half plays with no burden it makes big clubs inconvenient and in this match it also happened for Monaco.
They played very well but Lorient made the decision to try to play openly instead of doing defensive schemes they tried to match Monaco's play in this match and the result I think is not bad.

2 own goals and 2 red cards also added to the fact that this was a hard-fought and exciting match.Its a little unfortunate if we talk about the score that Monaco should be able to get 3 points in today's match but the equaliser at 90+5 scored by Bakayoko was very difficult to avoid because it happened when there was a chaos in front of the Monaco goal and they failed to see the position of the player from Lorient which could be maximised well . At least 1 point is still good enough for them rather than getting no points at all.

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March 19, 2024, 09:28:41 PM
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Mbappe was the only one at PSG after Neymar and messi's departure. His departure is certainly a big red flag for PSG especially for the next season. If he leaves there will surely be someone to replace him but there is enough doubt among fans as to who will be his equal. We have seen that since he announced his departure from the club, the coach has been reluctant to give him a chance to play. But he proved once again that he is still the best, his hat-trick against Montpellier once again made his fans realize what kind of player he is.
It’s true they will suffer for a while when Mbappe leaves but they will eventually get over it like Madrid got over Ronaldo’s departure. They shouldn’t expect to have him forever especially when they couldn’t achieve so much together so obviously he would leave someday and when he does they will surely have a new replacement for him sooner or later.

Mbappe is an exceptional player and no matter how he is being treated when he come on the pitch he will always make a difference. PSG will surely suffer for at least a season or two before they would adapt to playing without Mbappe because the few matches he was kept on the bench he would still come in and deliver and that shows how good he is and how great he player he would become.

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March 19, 2024, 11:22:35 PM
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Mbappe was the only one at PSG after Neymar and messi's departure. His departure is certainly a big red flag for PSG especially for the next season. If he leaves there will surely be someone to replace him but there is enough doubt among fans as to who will be his equal. We have seen that since he announced his departure from the club, the coach has been reluctant to give him a chance to play. But he proved once again that he is still the best, his hat-trick against Montpellier once again made his fans realize what kind of player he is. However, even if PSG can top the League 1 this season, it is almost clear that their condition may worsen in the next season. Coach Luis Enrique is now heavily criticized on how to handle the team.

His second goal against Montpellier was one of the most beautiful goals I have seen in recent years. Also, he unlocked the game with that goal. Mbappe is really an extraordinary talent. He gave us some great recitals at Paris Saint Germain, but it's time for him to play for a better team. At Manchester City, Haaland plays together with quality players like De Bruyne, Foden, Alvarez and Rodri. If Mbappe had the same advantages as Haaland, I think he could have had much better performances. I am sure we will see a completely different Mbappe at Real Madrid.

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March 19, 2024, 11:30:13 PM
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AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.

Lorient really pulled a surprising performance on that match because they have been struggling on the table to try if they could come up a bit but they are still close to the relegation zone, so meeting As Monaco on this match became almost certain that they will lose the match against As Monaco but there sudden performance was what actually surprises everybody and seeing how they were so improve that they gave As Monaco a very tough time but although if As Monaco had not gotten the red card they would have actually win the match because immediately after the red card it was not long Lorient equalize the goal.

In fact, Lorient second goal also occurred in the last minutes of the match and thus, then at least Monaco has also been able to ensure to win. But unfortunately, bad luck happened to Monaco because at the end of the match Lorient managed to make a second goal so finally the match ended with a score of 2-2 draw. But indeed, ofcourse this result is a very regrettable result because after all, playing at home against a team that is in the bottomzone of the standings is certainly a great opportunity for Monaco to win and also to overtake Brest in second place. But even so, thefact is that Monaco still has safepoints in third place and yes, with the results of points like that I personally believe that Monaco is able to finish in the topthree and get a Champion League ticket for next season.

The game between Lorient and Monaco was really dramatic because in this match Lorient couldn't really have a chance to make Manaco stop and I was expecting to see Lorient losing this match to Mano because of the more control Monaco had in this match on the game and other than this, Monaco had much more shots and everything they needed to have.
I think Monaco should forget the chance they lose and if they want to get the Champions League title they need to get the other points they can have and the next game is going to be against Metz for them which is a good chance to take the three points from it.


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March 19, 2024, 11:45:12 PM
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It's a shame that Monaco failed to secure a win at home after only drawing 2-2 against Lorient. Both teams played quite hard and the statistics also show that the two teams played quite evenly. But there was one unique thing in this match where both teams opened the scoring with an own goal from their players and a sight like this is very rare in a football match.

On the other hand, Monaco could have won because they scored the second goal in the 60th minute through Fofana but unfortunately they failed to maintain that narrow lead after Lorient didn't give up until the final minute. Bakayoko saved Lorient from defeat after scoring a goal in the 90+4 minute and forcing Monaco to only share one point. This match was also marked by a red card received by one of the players from each team. This result made Monaco fail to reach second place in the standings after Brest also only drew 1-1 against Lille.

AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.


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I also expected to see Monaco win this match. And the performance of Monaco's players was good in this match. Even then Monaco failed to get 3 points.
Lorient team is quite weak in comparison I would say Lorient was very lucky in this match so they managed to get 1 point. Lorient's midfielder Bakayoko scored in the last minute of the match. Bakayoko equalized the match by scoring in 90+5 minutes.

Monaco's overall gameplay was very good. Monaco could have won this match if they had been a bit more tactical. A lot of attacks were made by Monaco's players. A total of 22 shots were taken by Monaco players in this match. 8 of them were on target. Lorient naturally kept their defense tight in this match and tried to score on the counter attack.

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March 20, 2024, 05:21:30 AM
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His second goal against Montpellier was one of the most beautiful goals I have seen in recent years. Also, he unlocked the game with that goal. Mbappe is really an extraordinary talent. He gave us some great recitals at Paris Saint Germain, but it's time for him to play for a better team. At Manchester City, Haaland plays together with quality players like De Bruyne, Foden, Alvarez and Rodri. If Mbappe had the same advantages as Haaland, I think he could have had much better performances. I am sure we will see a completely different Mbappe at Real Madrid.
Mbappe has better skills than Haaland because he can create goals through his own movement, unlike Haaland who's performance looks fantastic but is quite dependent on the midfielder to provide good passes for him to execute into goals.
Kylian Mbappe will have a greater opportunity to get more titles and also more prestigious ones which will be difficult for him to get if he stays with PSG, so moving from PSG to another elite club is a good choice for Mbappe.
If Kylian Mbappe played at a club that had a more balanced squad quality it would allow him to perform more brilliantly, but unfortunately PSG is not a team like that and that's because the competition in Ligue 1 can be said to be low so he can perform optimally at his current club.

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March 20, 2024, 05:31:04 AM
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It's a shame that Monaco failed to secure a win at home after only drawing 2-2 against Lorient. Both teams played quite hard and the statistics also show that the two teams played quite evenly. But there was one unique thing in this match where both teams opened the scoring with an own goal from their players and a sight like this is very rare in a football match.

On the other hand, Monaco could have won because they scored the second goal in the 60th minute through Fofana but unfortunately they failed to maintain that narrow lead after Lorient didn't give up until the final minute. Bakayoko saved Lorient from defeat after scoring a goal in the 90+4 minute and forcing Monaco to only share one point. This match was also marked by a red card received by one of the players from each team. This result made Monaco fail to reach second place in the standings after Brest also only drew 1-1 against Lille.

AS Monaco shouldn't just have a draw with Lorient, they're just a team that's currently struggling to get away from the relegation zone but could cause a surprise at AS Monaco home match.

What amazed me even more about Lorient was that they scored their second goal after one of their players received a red card. There's no more competition and racing for the Ligue 1 title for AS Monaco, but they should be able to maximize their chances of second place.
It was hurtful for Monaco to draw at home. We can say that the championship belongs to PSG alone, but the race for second place still continues. It must be painful for them to lose points in this race on their home turf. The race for second place in the French league is made by six teams in the league. Monaco may even be out of the European cups with this loss of points.

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March 20, 2024, 06:16:05 AM
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Now, there's a high chance that he moves after the season. How will PSG cope? New signings?

At the moment I don't see any young PSG academy players having a candidate capable of replacing Mbappe for now. One of the best ways is to take advantage of the transfer market by buying new players. Some media outlets suggest that Victor Osimhen, Rafael Leao, Bernardo Silva are reportedly new targets to replace Mbappe if he leaves. After he officially leaves, Enrique must be able to make a collective game, not rely on 1 player.

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