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November 12, 2023, 11:18:29 PM |
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Since the start of the season, Chelsea has been able to play very well against the big teams in England as they didn't lose against Liverpool and Arsenal while beating Tottenham Hotspur last week Monday before producing a quality performance today to share points with Manchester City. Many had thought the reigning English and European champions were gonna thrash Chelsea today but the home team produce an impressive performance that forced the visitors to draw the game.
It was by design that Manchester City wasn’t going to have it easy at the Stanford Bridge when they face Chelsea but, I never expected a much spectacular performance like they produced today. Giving Manchester City the opportunity to take the lead through the Cucurella penalty which E. Haaland was always going to convert and then, T. Silva came up with that equalizer. We later saw Chelsea take the lead, Manchester City equalized and took the lead and then, Chelsea came to take a draw from them. Two penalties in a game, one to each side, it was just great. You can tell how disappointing it was for Pep to have shared points with Chelsea today and even Pochettino wasn’t exactly pleased. I think he saw the possibility of a win but still, Chelsea undeniably had a good result.
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November 12, 2023, 11:20:30 PM |
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It was a crazy match but Chelsea played very well and indeed a draw was a good result and benefited both teams in today's match. This quite hot match with high tension makes the players motivated to show more performance in this match because not only the Manchester City players who play well in this match but also Chelsea who do have ambitions and are able to match the performance that Manhchester City does. In addition, 2 Chelsea goals were also scored by 2 of their former players, Palmer and Sterling, making emotions a little bigger in this match and I am happy with results like this because after all this is a good result for both teams and with Chelsea's performance like this at least for the rest of the big match they are not too worried because when playing against clubs whose level is above them Chelsea always play well and the hope is clear in the remaining few big matches for the last 4 weeks of course Chelsea must play like this continue.
The Premier League is still very competitive, City were never able to beat Chelsea, it was a very interesting game and it seems to me that Chelsea have started to play better, Pochettino is gradually making the team better. A draw with City is a very worthy result. From fifth place to first place the gap is only 3 points, so everything can change in each round. Liverpool looks very good, it seems to me that they have a very good chance of competing with City. I find it quite perplexing how formidable Chelsea appears when going up against top-tier clubs, yet the dynamic seems to change when they encounter mediocre teams that consistently adopt a defensive approach known as "parking the bus." I don't know what the exact reason is but this kinda strange to me. It seems like that the win against manchester city has been also motivating the club even more to play better than the previous games. City was trying so hard not to miss the three points but chelsea is playing so good this time. No doubt that if chelsea is able getting one point from manchester city. That is what i called as the true football game. The atmosphere was bringing me back to the final match. I do really like this kind of match. Anyteam was trying so hard to score the goals to win against its opponent. Chelsea is always pressuring manchester city. That's sad that jackson was still playing awfully in this match. he was not able finishing some chances properly. Pochettino needs to give him a training session to shoot the ball.
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November 12, 2023, 11:20:40 PM |
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[....] From fifth place to first place the gap is only 3 points, so everything can change in each round. Liverpool looks very good, it seems to me that they have a very good chance of competing with City.
Yes seeing how close the table is is probably the best result for this week. The Liverpool and Arsenal fans probably celebrated more than the Chelsea fans after the final whistle hehe. I don't think Villa could stay up there for long though but it's great that they are getting results as well. Manchester City will face Liverpool next round, I don't know which fans will celebrate more Manchester City got a hilarious draw vs Chelsea with 4 goals scored by each side. Chelsea did pretty well against them and were lucky to score a penalty by the end of the match. They picked a point from hard City and allowed the other teams to stay close from it. For Aston Villa, they will have many hard matches coming starting with Tottenham Hotspur next round up to Manchester City and Arsenal by December 9. I am not sure if we should count Manchester United in the list or not because they are fluctuating much..
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Leviathan.007
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November 12, 2023, 11:34:30 PM |
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I can't believe my eyes that Chelsea Draw Arsenal, won Tottenham, and at this point holding Manchester City on an entertaining first-half draw, what a great performance against the big-name teams this season, and not only that their performance in this game against Manchester has been incredible, especially with the number of saves from Chelsea's keeper, What a super save from that close range strike from Erling Haaland.
From my observation of this game and looking at how both teams are scoring each other goals and the other equalizing almost a few minutes later, likely the game may end draw.
To be honest if this match is attractive more than chelsea vs totenham. This match is so crazy. My heart gets pumped. So many attacks between chelsea and city. This match is so crazy. I would like to call this as a quality match even though city being placed at the bottom but this is so crazy. I never expect chelsea to play as good as manchester city. I can't imagine if this was another club like MU. Chelsea's game play has been improving so significant. I cna't even describe how crazy this game is. The supporters are also feeling it now. Chelsea and city are trying to go all in. I think that all of people who are watching this match are also feeling the same like me. This match is so crazy as fuck. This is so damn good. Glad i have time to watch this. I agree that the match was really crazy because Chelsea won the game while we were waiting to see Chelsea lose it easily. Also, the referee had many mistakes which is enough to say one reason for Tottenham losing this match was the referee. Also, the sad thing for Totenham was about their player James Maddison, this player is hardly injured and he can't play for Totenham until January. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/10/tottenham-james-maddison-out-england-squad-ankle-injury
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November 12, 2023, 11:43:34 PM |
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Tottenham is too cautious in my opinion in this match when they previously got 2 red cards when playing against Chelsea then surely they will notice to play more saves to avoid the same mistakes but instead this backfired on them. Tottenham players also gave too much freedom to the Wolves attackers who were in the Penalty box which was very dangerous considering that in this match they only focused on defense but did not see the players and without any really tight marking being done even though if in the end they were bolder in defense then I think things like this can still be changed and they can still get points in today's match.
The effects of the red card from.the match against Chelsea is definitely still telling on them so I wouldn't blame them for trying to be really careful not to get another as it will further increase the number of players they will be absent in their next match which wouldn't be fine. Tottenham Lost trying to be careful but then I think by all these so far they must have learnt their lessons and are definitely going to improve and do much better by their next games next week. Manchester united still have much issues to settle around their defense line as it's yet to be solid enough, they concede goals in every meeting with big team but with smaller teams it will looks as if they are good but they still concede too. It was a mistake when they tried to implement a new scheme where they loosened up the defence which is an important factor to guard. The marking of the players was really bad in the Tottenham match so that indeed some wingers and attackers from Wolves were very free to make a breakthrough which in the end in the last 10 minutes even in extra time it was a disaster. Wolves knew that Tottenham relaxed their guard on the players because they were more focused on the area than marking so that the movement of Wolves attackers became more free in this match which made Tottenham have to be willing to lose points again. In another match today Chelsea and Manchester City was the best match of the week as these two teams showed a very good performance and the drama of 8 goals was the final result in this match although I lost my betting money for being in Manchester City but indeed this was a tough match and appreciation must be given to both considering they were really very good in today's match.
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November 12, 2023, 11:45:14 PM |
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I was really surprised with the way Chelsea played today. People didn’t believe that Chelsea would be able to draw Manchester City. Let's be honest, before the match started, I also believed that Manchester City would be the winner of the match, even if they wouldn't be able to score many goals. I know the match will be tough, but I was surprised to see Chelsea score four goals in the match. They didn’t allow Manchester City to go away with three points, they rather shared the points, and each team went away with one point each. I was really impressed by the way Chelsea played today, let’s just hope they are getting back to form already.
Who wouldn't be surprised by this result? Chelsea being able to share the same goal with Manchester City was a great goal return we saw last night. I don't know what you're saying Chelsea are back to their best because even against Arsenal it was the same game with a draw, strangely against lower teams Chelsea find it more difficult what's going on with them, did you notice that? With this result it does illustrate that Chelsea have returned to appear quite impressive despite the draw with a score of 4-4 because with the score Mostly people are thinking chelsea would not be winning the game against manchester or draw but the result kinda a bit crazy to see chelsea gets draw 4-4 against manchester city. The thing that feels me amazing to see pochettino was implementing the high pressure to the city's players. It was sometimes making city's players feel panic. I have seen that during the match. It's a bit annoying to see chelsea failed to win the game and there have been some moments which have been ruined by taylor. This referee was so garbage and he's an idiot. He was not even seeing how walker was doing handball and this is a very disappointed result from him as a referee. Chelsea just need to stay consistent. I might seem like im getting the top of ahead myself. Chelsea can enter into the top 4 if it keeps perform like this. The squad is just even more mature than before. I hope chelsea will enter into the UCL spot competitions again.
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Leviathan.007
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November 12, 2023, 11:50:56 PM |
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I'm proud of my team, Chelsea; this game is another reason for football lovers to recognized the Blues. Chelsea deserved a few accolades because drawing points with Manchester City at Stamford Bridge is not a trivial feat. To refresh your retention of information, Manchester United suffered 3-0 to Manchester City at Old Trafford without even a single attempt on goal. However, based on the Blues' performance, we are currently the apex team in London when it comes to games. We have yet to lose to a major side this season, having drawn points against Liverpool, Arsenal, won against Tottenham, and drawn today against Manchester City. I'd gladly say we're coming for Manchester United; they should brace themselves.
You ought to be proud of your team mate for putting such a fantastic performance today, am not a Chelsea fan but watching the game today I felt like this team is not the Chelsea team that has been in poor form since last season but yet again I realized that they got motivated after beating the then team leaders Tottenham Hotspur 4:1. To be honest Chelsea football club deserves everything better than recognition after this match because they really deserve all the 3 points despite sharing the points 1:1 after the 4:4 draw. Let's focus on doing better and improving the team instead of looking out for other clubs like Manchester united I don't think Chelsea Wil beat Manchester united this season to be honest. Manchester United is still not in the good situation and they have bad performances even in the games in which they won the game and they the three points from it. In the game between Luton and Manchester United, they won the game with a 1-0 result, Sam Allardyce and were both watching the match but it seems even these two didn't enjoy the game even after Manchester United won this game.
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November 12, 2023, 11:59:22 PM |
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The main opening of the season in the Premier League in the face of Tottenham is slowly starting to deflate, having lost the second match in a row. And it is not necessary to say that this happened in extra time, because Tottenham itself won a bunch of matches in the season, snatching victory in the last minutes. Another question is whether such results will not be the beginning of a peak and how long the crisis will drag on.
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November 12, 2023, 11:59:27 PM |
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Mostly people are thinking chelsea would not be winning the game against manchester or draw but the result kinda a bit crazy to see chelsea gets draw 4-4 against manchester city. The thing that feels me amazing to see pochettino was implementing the high pressure to the city's players. It was sometimes making city's players feel panic. I have seen that during the match. It's a bit annoying to see chelsea failed to win the game and there have been some moments which have been ruined by taylor. This referee was so garbage and he's an idiot. He was not even seeing how walker was doing handball and this is a very disappointed result from him as a referee. Chelsea just need to stay consistent.
Most people must think Chelsea is still the same team before it is managed by Pochettino. People also assume Man City has a better squad, they are the favorite team to win the EPL title. So, it is normal if people never think Chelsea to give difficulty to Man City. But in fact, Chelsea made Man City played under pressure. Chelsea even has a chance to win the match if they didn't do a mistake. A controversial decision made by the referee also contributed to the failure of Chelsea to win the match. Well, we can think that Chelsea is unlucky today. If there are no those bad things, Chelsea already defeated Man City today. However, although the match ended with a draw result, we know Chelsea played impressively. They showed a strong mentality to neve give up, they also showed a big improvement in their game now. I believe there are no EPL teams will underestimate Chelsea anymore.
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November 13, 2023, 12:21:21 AM |
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Manchester United is still not in the good situation and they have bad performances even in the games in which they won the game and they the three points from it. In the game between Luton and Manchester United, they won the game with a 1-0 result, Sam Allardyce and were both watching the match but it seems even these two didn't enjoy the game even after Manchester United won this game.
Manchester united still lacks good tactics and their performance is yet to improve any better than we know, it was more like they struggled through that win against lutton because they couldn't get a goal through d first half but later did in d early minutes of the second half and couldn't get any again. Manchester united may hopefully improve subsequently but Ten hag have to make it happen by improving his tactics and how well he position his players. Chelsea had a good performance today which could be seen like they are becoming improved, they had bad times at the beginning of the season and it was most likely looking like they were almost of equal strength with Manchester united but with their performance today I can wait to anticipate their fixture.
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November 13, 2023, 12:35:20 AM |
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The main opening of the season in the Premier League in the face of Tottenham is slowly starting to deflate, having lost the second match in a row. And it is not necessary to say that this happened in extra time, because Tottenham itself won a bunch of matches in the season, snatching victory in the last minutes. Another question is whether such results will not be the beginning of a peak and how long the crisis will drag on.
Totenham is facing another crisis now. The team is lack of winning mentality and it seemed to me that totenham backs again to the what it should be. Wolves deserves win against totenham caused by it was putting more effort than totenham at this moment. I kinda feel that if totenham is going to get another loss again. Totenham is starting to play terrible against another club. This is the chance owned by another club to surpass it. The consistentcy from the club is still questionable at this moment. Losing maddison has been changing the gameplay of totenham at this moment. Ange needs to work a bit harder to keep the consistentcy from its club. Im doubting totenham now as the lose against wolves was erasing my confidence to pick it in the upcoming match. That's good result for wolves and congrats.
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November 13, 2023, 01:25:16 AM |
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Totenham is facing another crisis now. The team is lack of winning mentality and it seemed to me that totenham backs again to the what it should be. Wolves deserves win against totenham caused by it was putting more effort than totenham at this moment.
I don't consider a team are at fourth position in Premier League and especially only two points less than a first position are a club in crisis. They got two bad matches recent weeks but crisis, they have yet been in a crisis. The loss against Chelsea is possible because Chelsea are still a big club with many star players so Tottenham always have probability to lose against Chelsea. Only the defeat against Wolves is a shock but every big club can have such loss in their bad days. Manchester United is still not in the good situation and they have bad performances even in the games in which they won the game and they the three points from it. In the game between Luton and Manchester United, they won the game with a 1-0 result, Sam Allardyce and were both watching the match but it seems even these two didn't enjoy the game even after Manchester United won this game. They are not in a good situation but the season is going and they can improve. They are at the sixth position but only 5 points less than Tottenham and they can take that position from Tottenham if they continue to improve and play well enough. I am very doubtful that Tottenham will be able to maintain their good form like first two months of the season. They will give chances to other clubs like Manchester United to join top four.
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Hirose UK
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November 13, 2023, 02:28:07 AM |
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Manchester United is still not in the good situation and they have bad performances even in the games in which they won the game and they the three points from it. In the game between Luton and Manchester United, they won the game with a 1-0 result, Sam Allardyce and were both watching the match but it seems even these two didn't enjoy the game even after Manchester United won this game.
Manchester united still lacks good tactics and their performance is yet to improve any better than we know, it was more like they struggled through that win against lutton because they couldn't get a goal through d first half but later did in d early minutes of the second half and couldn't get any again. This victory is not that surprising because Manchester United only met Luton, which is bottom team and has the chance of being relegated. If indeed Manchester United had good game and could show the quality of playing like great team then they would definitely win with landslide score in this match, but in fact they only had one goal. Manchester united may hopefully improve subsequently but Ten hag have to make it happen by improving his tactics and how well he position his players. Chelsea had a good performance today which could be seen like they are becoming improved, they had bad times at the beginning of the season and it was most likely looking like they were almost of equal strength with Manchester united but with their performance today I can wait to anticipate their fixture.
In the match, I was actually interested and amazed by Chelsea who were able to draw against Manchester City with score of 4 - 4, it was very unexpected that Chelsea managed to equalize in the final minutes of the second half thanks to Palmer goal. I almost cheered for Manchester City victory but had to fail because of small mistake that occurred. If you look at the quality of play from Chelsea and Manchester United in their last match, it is clear that Chelsea showed better results.
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November 13, 2023, 02:47:10 AM |
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Manchester City I have to be honest,their 4th goal was just lucky and most likely the draw is the most fair result for that game,it also showed that Manchester City is not invincible and that both Liverpool and Arsenal have real chances to win the title this year.
To be fair a draw was prolly the best result, neither team deserved to lose. I actually do not like to call goals lucky, Rodri hit the ball at goal and it took a big deflection off Thiago Silva, if they didn't put Chelsea under pressure there, they would not have gotten that goal. City haven't been invincible this season, because they have already lost two games (against Wolves and Arsenal) before today's match, what City have under their belt is experience in winning this league, of course Arsenal and Liverpool are both contenders for the title, but City are the favorites, they know how to get the job done and i would bet on them to do it again. They're not direct and deadly like they was last season, this is a total different Manchester City. Pep Guardiola should have done better, he literally lost the midfield battle to Chelsea in the first half of the game and some paths of the second half. Chelsea outplayed the midfielder's and that was why Manchester City scored all those goals, that single pivot didn't work against them. Yesterday, I saw Arsenal fans supporting, hoping and praying for Manchester City to lose against Chelsea. Wow!! Honestly? They say the fight is against Manchester City and that they shouldn't win the Premier League once again in the Premier League. Liverpool? They're not ready, have you seen that defense? They can't win the Premier League. Arsenal have tasted what if feels like to be at the top and failed, but after failure comes success, I'm tipping gunner's for the Premier League but they should be consistent.
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November 13, 2023, 03:39:25 AM |
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Mostly people are thinking chelsea would not be winning the game against manchester or draw but the result kinda a bit crazy to see chelsea gets draw 4-4 against manchester city. The thing that feels me amazing to see pochettino was implementing the high pressure to the city's players. It was sometimes making city's players feel panic. I have seen that during the match. It's a bit annoying to see chelsea failed to win the game and there have been some moments which have been ruined by taylor. This referee was so garbage and he's an idiot. He was not even seeing how walker was doing handball and this is a very disappointed result from him as a referee. Chelsea just need to stay consistent.
Most people must think Chelsea is still the same team before it is managed by Pochettino. People also assume Man City has a better squad, they are the favorite team to win the EPL title. So, it is normal if people never think Chelsea to give difficulty to Man City. But in fact, Chelsea made Man City played under pressure. Chelsea even has a chance to win the match if they didn't do a mistake. A controversial decision made by the referee also contributed to the failure of Chelsea to win the match. Well, we can think that Chelsea is unlucky today. If there are no those bad things, Chelsea already defeated Man City today. However, although the match ended with a draw result, we know Chelsea played impressively. They showed a strong mentality to neve give up, they also showed a big improvement in their game now. I believe there are no EPL teams will underestimate Chelsea anymore. Like I was scared when I started watching the match, although something in me was convincing me Chelsea will do better. I was very impressed to see the Chelsea team pressure the city team so hard that they were scared at some point, like the match was clearly against their expectation. Chelsea really did well yesterday and I hope they continue to improve and play good games like this
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November 13, 2023, 04:11:22 AM |
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After defeating Tottenham 4-1 in the previous round, Chelsea played a brave match against the defending champions. I appreciate Chelsea's danger. The game at Stamford Bridge deserves to be considered one of the most exciting matches this season. With their elite players, the two brought fans a satisfying game with many goals. The final draw result of 4-4 was considered suitable for the performances of the two teams. Meanwhile, Man City missed the opportunity to widen the gap with the group behind. Guardiola and his team have 28 points, only 1 point more than Liverpool and Arsenal. Man City will continue to have a great battle with Liverpool. This is a match that I am looking forward to.
Chelsea are really showcasing some good results in this season by defeated Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 who was the most toping team in the premier league, and have a good draw with Arsenal and Manchester city that made people to respect Chelsea manager for the good impact he has impacted his players in this season. Manchester city was leading the match in the first half before Chelsea came to equalized the goal in the 28th minutes that made me to believe that this match will not going to be easy match for Manchester city, because they are still missing De Bruyne for some matches now and it has caused them to reduced little performance. If Liverpool can display what they are displaying now to moved to second position in the premier league table, show that Arsenal will fail for Liverpool to embrace victory from the match that will make them to maintain the second position in this season.
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November 13, 2023, 05:10:33 AM |
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Today’s game was thrilling, I was at the edge of my seat throughout. This match is arguably the best match I have seen this season. Chelsea did very well today, I wasn’t expecting them to score as many goals as they did, I really hope they can maintain this form and also to work on their defense. Today’s game proves that Manchester City are not invincible, I doubt they will be winning a treble this season.
Chelsea vs Manchester City match will be the most talked about match of the week. Like seeing a match in which both teams were able to score and equalize against each other within a short time of scoring 1st to 4th goals. It's good to see Chelsea starting to turn things around after they scored eight goals in their last two matches(Tottenham and Manchester City) and ended Manchester City's six-game winning streak against them today. It's really lovely. Although their performance today wasn't in any way expected to hold Manchester City in a draw at the end of the match. Chelsea against Manchester City is one of the most interesting match for the season so far knowing how tough Manchester City used to be and seeing Chelsea from their strength of performance where they are coming from. Chelsea was full of strength and have more confidence in the match , it was a great challenge they had against Manchester City. Scoring goals was not a problem for Chelsea, they were much ready to go any amount of goals with Manchester. It is so Interesting to watch how Chelsea have really improved challenging big Premier league teams, the result wasn't expected from Chelsea.
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November 13, 2023, 05:31:10 AM |
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Chelsea has just through an 2 hard matches with impressive result i think this is good progress from them especially yesterday that Manchester City is one of their strongest opponent in premier league and most people predict they will be lose but yesterday Chelsea can able to stole 1 point from this team
I have been notice that since last season this is first time to Manchester City to conceded 4 goals in a single match and this proven Chelsea attacking lines was in the good shape now and during this season although Chelsea performance wasn't too stable but when they fight against big teams just like Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham and Manchester City they still unbeatable so apparently everytime Chelsea fight against strong teams they always have good motivation not to lose and after international break Chelsea opponent is Newcastle
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November 13, 2023, 05:36:13 AM |
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Manchester United is still not in the good situation and they have bad performances even in the games in which they won the game and they the three points from it. In the game between Luton and Manchester United, they won the game with a 1-0 result, Sam Allardyce and were both watching the match but it seems even these two didn't enjoy the game even after Manchester United won this game.
It's natural that they don't enjoy Manchester United's game, because the game they play is not that good. I am a person who thinks that winning is not enough, because they need to play well. Because this is not the only match they will play, but there are still many schedules waiting. When they play well, there is hope that arises even though maybe the results of the match are not good. Conversely, if they play badly, even if they win it is a worry for the next match. The main opening of the season in the Premier League in the face of Tottenham is slowly starting to deflate, having lost the second match in a row. And it is not necessary to say that this happened in extra time, because Tottenham itself won a bunch of matches in the season, snatching victory in the last minutes. Another question is whether such results will not be the beginning of a peak and how long the crisis will drag on.
They were knocked down to 4th place in the standings after several weeks at the top of the table. This is what is worrying about them, because they are a good team, but they can only compete for crucial positions, not for the title. Slowly they faltered in the last 2 matches they had to receive 2 consecutive defeats. Now the question is whether they will return to the form like the beginning of the season, where they are a team that is difficult to beat? I think it can happen, but they need to improve again and find consistency.
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November 13, 2023, 05:36:18 AM |
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Chelsea against Manchester City is one of the most interesting match for the season so far knowing how tough Manchester City used to be and seeing Chelsea from their strength of performance where they are coming from. Chelsea was full of strength and have more confidence in the match , it was a great challenge they had against Manchester City. Scoring goals was not a problem for Chelsea, they were much ready to go any amount of goals with Manchester. It is so Interesting to watch how Chelsea have really improved challenging big Premier league teams, the result wasn't expected from Chelsea.
It is clear that the mentality of the Chelsea team is still very tough in this match and it is appropriate for Chelsea to be taken into account again this season. From the start, I still saw Chelsea as one of the top Premier League teams even though they were in a slump, but when they faced other top Premier League teams it created a different game tension, and Chelsea has proven it this season when facing Arsenal, Tottenham and Manchester City. Seeing the impressive performance of the two teams, a draw is fair enough for both teams and this is a huge advantage for Chelsea to be able to recover from adversity and catch up. I hope Chelsea can be consistent in the next match. The draw received by Manchester City has now made the competition for points at the top of the Premier League standings even fiercer, with several teams having a fairly narrow difference in points. Liverpool? They're not ready, have you seen that defense? They can't win the Premier League. Arsenal have tasted what if feels like to be at the top and failed, but after failure comes success, I'm tipping gunner's for the Premier League but they should be consistent.
Liverpool is much better prepared than Arsenal. Liverpool is a team that has a better mentality than Arsenal to win the Premier League title, last season it was clear that Arsenal were just not mentally prepared when they were under pressure, I think this season will be the same. There are many young players in the team which makes Arsenal's team mentality not as tough as other top teams, it may take several years to start the process so that it can produce a title.
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