Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

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Please, kindly enlighten us with your obvious scientific superiority on this (and also in biology during COVId, psichology in the war, physics and any other sciences in general), which of the following are not true in your world:

- The CO2 produces greenhouse effects.
- Greenhouse effect raises the median temperature in the biosphere.
- The average amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has constantly increased during the last century.
- A large part of the CO2 emissions are due to human activities, precisely to the burning of fossil fuels.
- An increase in temperatures creates a more variable climate, provoking more droughts, more destructive raining, more wildfires.

I suggest you travel to Greece before answering.

And back to the war, it seems that Ruzzians are getting grinded at a reasonable pace in the supply chain and as a result in the Zapo front.  Ruzzia is self-demilitarising itself, while Ukraine has first stopped the aggression and turned the tide quite effectively.

As of now, it is mentioned in various sources that Ruzzia has less armoured vehicles and artillery power than Ukraine in the front.

CO2 produces greenhouse effect where?... in greenhouses. If governments and big business don't mess with the way things work in nature - like with chemtrails and HAARP - CO2 is what plants need to grow.

A little more global warming would be a good thing. Think of melting some of the polar Arctic and Antarctic to open up lands in Antarctica, Siberia, and Northern Canada for human occupation. Plus, extra humidity would bring wetness to places like the Sahara Desert so that those lands could be opened up for farming.

Nobody knows that greenhouse effect is bad. It's all a story that can't be proven until it happens.


As far as the war goes, there are ups and downs on both sides. But overall, Ukraine is being slaughtered. Dream your dreams. Ukraine is ultimately done for. If the US pushes against Russia too hard, Putin will be removed from office, Medvedev will take over, the nukes will fly, and we will have WW3.

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[1miau]

A little more global warming would be a good thing. Think of melting some of the polar Arctic and Antarctic to open up lands in Antarctica, Siberia, and Northern Canada for human occupation. Plus, extra humidity would bring wetness to places like the Sahara Desert so that those lands could be opened up for farming.

Nobody knows that greenhouse effect is bad. It's all a story that can't be proven until it happens.

Of course! People in Miami, New York, Amsterdam, Barcelona, Venice and many more cities will be able to get a pool in their whole ground floor basically FOR FREE. 
People in these cities won't have to water their garden anymore.
They even can get fish right in the streets.
Many water, such wow.

Plus, extra humidity would bring wetness to places like the Sahara Desert so that those lands could be opened up for farming.

Wrong: globally, hotter temperatures will result in more deserts overally, especially longer periods of drought. Already happening in Africa and Spain.
But it's a good thing:
Deserts will grow bigger and we all know that in a desert, desserts are made.
It will be finger licking good.

 

[BADecker]

A little more global warming would be a good thing. Think of melting some of the polar Arctic and Antarctic to open up lands in Antarctica, Siberia, and Northern Canada for human occupation. Plus, extra humidity would bring wetness to places like the Sahara Desert so that those lands could be opened up for farming.

Nobody knows that greenhouse effect is bad. It's all a story that can't be proven until it happens.

Of course! People in Miami, New York, Amsterdam, Barcelona, Venice and many more cities will be able to get a pool in their whole ground floor basically FOR FREE.  
People in these cities won't have to water their garden anymore.
They even can get fish right in the streets.
Many water, such wow.

Plus, extra humidity would bring wetness to places like the Sahara Desert so that those lands could be opened up for farming.

Wrong: globally, hotter temperatures will result in more deserts overally, especially longer periods of drought. Already happening in Africa and Spain.
But it's a good thing:
Deserts will grow bigger and we all know that in a desert, desserts are made.
It will be finger licking good.

 

I know you are not brain dead. So, consider Venice. As their land sinks deeper, they simply build on top of what went before. If there is global warming, it isn't happening fast enough so that the people will not be aware of it before it becomes dangerous. They have plenty of time to move... like generations.

Consider Greece, other lands in the Mediterranean, Coasts off Japan, China, India, and many other places. There are cities under water off these coasts. People adapt. Besides with all the land opening up in Siberia, Northern Canada, and Antarctica, lots of room to grow the populations of the world. In addition to that, there is Seasteading that people can do.

On top of that, the rate of increase of global warming has been decreasing for the last 20 years. The climate change emergency is going away.



Globally warmer temperatures increase drought? Are you making a joke? We just talked about more moisture from the ice melts. A lot of that moisture will go into the air. When it returns as rain, it will water the deserts. At some stage the deserts will be gone... farmland in their place.

One of the best benefits of more water in the air is H2O2. As more moisture gets higher in the atmosphere, cosmic rays turn a bunch of it into H2O2. Some people might call it acid rain, but it isn't enough to harm anything... except to get into the marshes and swamp lands and kill off loads of mosquitoes and other bugs that DuPont has to do in the present with tank loads of chlorine dioxide.

And the better benefit to people is that some of that H2O2 will get into people and chemically neutralize bacteria and viruses. People won't be as sick. Doctors will have to find other jobs. But why not? As badly as they did with Covid, who needs them?



There isn't any CO2 or global warming threat.

[1miau]

I know you are not brain dead. So, consider Venice. As their land sinks deeper, they simply build on top of what went before. If there is global warming, it isn't happening fast enough so that the people will not be aware of it before it becomes dangerous. They have plenty of time to move... like generations.

Consider Greece, other lands in the Mediterranean, Coasts off Japan, China, India, and many other places. There are cities under water off these coasts. People adapt. Besides with all the land opening up in Siberia, Northern Canada, and Antarctica, lots of room to grow the populations of the world. In addition to that, there is Seasteading that people can do.

You are aware, that these changes have happened over several 1000s of years? Last warming period of 4.5 degrees lasted over 14,000 years.
It's now down to several 100s of years, currently looking like 250 years for 4.5 degrees hotter, so more than 50x faster.
So sorry, your appeasement doesn't work...

Globally warmer temperatures increase drought?

Yes

Are you making a joke?

No

We just talked about more moisture from the ice melts. A lot of that moisture will go into the air. When it returns as rain, it will water the deserts. At some stage the deserts will be gone... farmland in their place.

Your world seems to be very simple, like here.  



Water goes from sea into air, clouds are raining in the mountains and water is flowing back into the ocean...  

But no, it's much more complicated: climate change is causing longer periods of drought, where agriculture becomes much more difficult.
Even if there's more rain overally, this doesn't mean it'll be good for agriculture if there's one intense shower. Water will disappear quickly again.
And more Hurricanes aren't desirable either.  

So far, deserts have grown bigger in Africa (Sahel zone) making agriculture much more difficult.
In Europe: Desertifiction is a big problem in Spain, drought a big problem in Italy, France, Greece and Turkey etc...

There isn't any CO2 or global warming threat.

Nooooo, of course not...
Don't look up...  

[BADecker]

I know you are not brain dead. So, consider Venice. As their land sinks deeper, they simply build on top of what went before. If there is global warming, it isn't happening fast enough so that the people will not be aware of it before it becomes dangerous. They have plenty of time to move... like generations.

Consider Greece, other lands in the Mediterranean, Coasts off Japan, China, India, and many other places. There are cities under water off these coasts. People adapt. Besides with all the land opening up in Siberia, Northern Canada, and Antarctica, lots of room to grow the populations of the world. In addition to that, there is Seasteading that people can do.

You are aware, that these changes have happened over several 1000s of years? Last warming period of 4.5 degrees lasted over 14,000 years.
It's now down to several 100s of years, currently looking like 250 years for 4.5 degrees hotter, so more than 50x faster.
So sorry, your appeasement doesn't work...

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/16/MavgH.png

I am aware that the whole universe in its present form is about 7500 years old. I am also aware that science attributes the earth to several billion years old, and the universe to like 13 to 14 billion years. But if you look at the way they write about it, they tell you right out that these are only guesses, and that they don't really know.

Globally warmer temperatures increase drought?

Yes

Are you making a joke?

No

We just talked about more moisture from the ice melts. A lot of that moisture will go into the air. When it returns as rain, it will water the deserts. At some stage the deserts will be gone... farmland in their place.

Your world seems to be very simple, like here.  

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/16/MaJod.png

Water goes from sea into air, clouds are raining in the mountains and water is flowing back into the ocean...  

But no, it's much more complicated: climate change is causing longer periods of drought, where agriculture becomes much more difficult.
Even if there's more rain overally, this doesn't mean it'll be good for agriculture if there's one intense shower. Water will disappear quickly again.
And more Hurricanes aren't desirable either.  

So far, deserts have grown bigger in Africa (Sahel zone) making agriculture much more difficult.
In Europe: Desertifiction is a big problem in Spain, drought a big problem in Italy, France, Greece and Turkey etc...

You don't have any basis for your thinking on climate change when you are soooo extremely far from correct about the age of the present universe and earth.

There isn't any CO2 or global warming threat.

Nooooo, of course not...
Don't look up...  

You can say that there is global warming all day long. You can find many books on the subjct. Perhaps I can say and find just like you, but in a different direction. Without clearly and completely analyzing what you believe, you simply have a religion going for yourself.

And, of course, I have a religion going for myself by believing the Bible. But my belief in what the Bible says doesn't come from analyzing like science does. It comes from the analysis of the strength behind the writers, and the validation of the likeness of old copies with new copies, and the kind of meticulous people the People of Ancient Israel were. There is power and strength in the age of the universe as shown in the Bible.

What might all that have to do with the war? Cain, the first born of all people who were born, killed his brother Abel. That happened probably easily within the first 100 years after creation. It's still going on today.

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Turning the embarrassing 'hockey stick' fraud on it's side doesn't suddenly make it worth any more than it was.  Even full-on high priests in the climate scientism cult would rather forget Michael Mann's hoax since it was so profoundly debunked.  The climategate e-mail leaks didn't do it any favors either.

For those who don't know, Mann came up with a model which produced a 'hockey stick' line even when random data was fed in.  As far as I know he has still not released his algorithms and the data he used.  He's not a practicing scientist after all.  His hoax got the image on the front page of the mainstream fake-news, and he was issued a PhD, so all is good...at least in climate-cult-land where the globalist money lives.

[Branko]

Sanctions and their effect

https://www.businessinsider.com/war-in-ukraine-russia-richer-millionaires-billionaires-uhnw-wealth-ubs-2023-8

[DaRude]

In addition, I'm not surprised from someone who's behind bars and is unable to avoid pyramid quotes...  
Keep pushing your Kremlin propaganda.

I asked how old you are and you wasted two posts pointing to your forum registration date only to ultimately claim that your age is how long you've been registered on this forum.  

Well, it really seems to be wasted time to explain that to you because you are not able to understandt it.  
Not my issue, deal with it.
You might be older but you have earned far less Merit and contributed far less valuable content. Heck, you are an embarassment by pushing Kremlin talking points every day. Shame, shame.
Enjoy the time in your cell...

"false balancing", where two opinions are cited while the one is true or close to the truth (Ukraine) and the other one is a straight out lie (Russia)
I've cited many sources which claim Ukrainian involvement in NS explosion, now can you stop wasting time and PLEASE cite at least one recent source which claims the true or close to the truth (Ukrainian) version that Russia is responsible for Nord Stream sabotage?

LOOOOL, now you are really embarrassed, since I've delievered a source and you didn't like it because my source is exactly pointing out the issue.
Here it is again:

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/putin-droht-bei-einem-angriff-setzt-russland-atomwaffen-ein-li.295226

The head of the Kremlin declared on television: "If we are attacked, we will fight back." According to Kremlin leader Vladimir Putin, Russia will use nuclear weapons only in response to an attack. "We consider weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons, as a means of defense," he said at a televised meeting of the Kremlin's Human Rights Council on Wednesday. Russia's strategy is based on a policy of "so-called retaliation". "If we are attacked, we fight back," he added. In the past, the Kremlin chief had announced that Russian territory would be defended by all military means. Now, with a view to the confrontation with the West as a result of the Ukraine conflict, he emphasized that "the danger of nuclear war is growing".

And that's it, article's end.
Poor Pootin, is playing his strawman and victim card again, "evil West wants to attack friendly Russia".  

Russia isn't "threatened" in any way.
The west won't start a nuclear war.
Russia is the one who's repeatedly threatening to use a nuclear bomb in Ukraine and is already bombing Ukraine deliberately.
I'm not saying Berliner Zeitung launched this low quality BS intentionally to spread Putin's lies but it's just very fortunate for Putin to get his message out there.  
But useful tools, like you, will still find an excuse for Putler's propaganda and continue to spread it willfully.

Of course, you have no arguments now and look like a washed clown...

I've cited many sources which claim Ukrainian involvement in NS explosion, now can you stop wasting time and PLEASE cite at least one recent source which claims the true or close to the truth (Ukrainian) version that Russia is responsible for Nord Stream sabotage?

Which is wrong once again and you are just looking like a fool because you can't prove that Ukraine is behind it.
It's all "if's", "looks like's", "could be's", "traces", "hints" from you for this useless pipeline, where the west couldn't care less about it because no matter if blown up or not blown up, this project is dead and there won't be any purchases of Russian gas into Germany. Only our German AfD idiots party would resume it and I expect that Germany won't vote them again after our previous adventure with a similar party.
Our "if's", "looks like's", "could be's", "traces", "hints" of the day:
*suspected* Ukrainian involvement
*traces are leading into Ukraine* (which can be everything in case Rusia has faked these traces into Ukraine with agents, cooperating undercover with Ukrainian "patriots".  
Are just too obsessed with defend war criminal Putler or are you really to dumb to understand it? Genuine question!
Maybe travel to Moscow and protest to "stop the war" there. Let's see what will happen.  

I asked for an example from my citations where they cite Kremlin lies, you proceed to call me "too dumb" and post a new resource with a totally different story which I never cited or even talked about.  

You asked and I delievered:

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/putin-droht-bei-einem-angriff-setzt-russland-atomwaffen-ein-li.295226

The head of the Kremlin declared on television: "If we are attacked, we will fight back." According to Kremlin leader Vladimir Putin, Russia will use nuclear weapons only in response to an attack. "We consider weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons, as a means of defense," he said at a televised meeting of the Kremlin's Human Rights Council on Wednesday. Russia's strategy is based on a policy of "so-called retaliation". "If we are attacked, we fight back," he added. In the past, the Kremlin chief had announced that Russian territory would be defended by all military means. Now, with a view to the confrontation with the West as a result of the Ukraine conflict, he emphasized that "the danger of nuclear war is growing".

And that's it, article's end.
Poor Pootin, is playing his strawman and victim card again, "evil West wants to attack friendly Russia".  

Russia isn't "threatened" in any way.
The west won't start a nuclear war.
Russia is the one who's repeatedly threatening to use a nuclear bomb in Ukraine and is already bombing Ukraine deliberately.
I'm not saying Berliner Zeitung launched this low quality BS intentionally to spread Putin's lies but it's just very fortunate for Putin to get his message out there.  
But useful tools, like you, will still find an excuse for Putler's propaganda and continue to spread it willfully.

And now you are looking like a washed clown.  

I asked if you'd concede UA involvement in the sabotage of NS if Germany puts a warrant out on Ukrainians involved, you wasted two posts speculating on probability of AfD getting into power, when i finally asked you to speculate on what % AfD will get up to, you finally say that you're not able to look into the future

LOL, everyone who says otherwise that he can predict election results in 2, 4 or even 8 years is a straight out liar.
I can't predict it, no one can predict it reliably.  

You yourself run an ad campaign, but you keep posting a meme about getting money for posts    

You are really incapable to research properly. Posts in Politics and Society are not counted:

Excluded boards, (Altcoins, WO & Serious, Sig Threads, Press, Politics, Games, Micro, Off-topic, Mega Threads.)

So, I don't expect to get a reward for this and even if, it would be a neutral reward, or are you saying, that Zelensky is operating MixTum mixer?  
Maybe you can spin an anti-Ukrainian story around it: Zelensky operating Bitcoin launderer "MixTum" to obfuscate funds from NATO into drug purchases for his Nazi friends.  
Here you go:

Yes, yes internet stickers and badges really matter and everyone should strive for them.

Can you ask someone to explain to you what "provide source that Russia is responsible for Nord Stream sabotage" and "my citations where they cite Kremlin lies" means or translate it to your native tongue? Here's internet attempt to translate it into German. "eine Quelle zu nennen, die besagt, dass Russland für die Sabotage von Nord Stream verantwortlich ist" or ask an adult and then think how citing totally unrelated news article is relevant to this.

I understand that after you used up your credibility you can just play dumb forever, but nevertheless, let me ask you this for the last time, what would it take for you to change your mind on this? Who's authority would you believe, outside of Zelenskyy publicly admitting that he order to blow up Nord Stream himself? Once again Germany putting our arrest warrants wouldn't be enough for you?

Let me attempt to summarize this. I asked you a question, you reply that you feel that "your sentences doesn't make then something to be answered" and proceed to compare it with '"Firehose" of loaded questions used to be prominent in Soviet propaganda'. How many questions exactly have i asked you that you feel that there's a "firehose" of them? Then i say it's an excuse to not engage in a conversation and just shitpost. And you reply with "another staple of Soviet/Putin propaganda - projection." I rebut with show me where i don't answer your question/not engaging in a conversation. You follow that with Straw man ... I don't care enough about your delusions to have any questions for you.

Just for shits and giggles I opened the last page of your post history and searched for a question mark ("?"). 180 results. Granted this includes quotes and you tend to ladder-quote a lot, but still, it's an excessive number. For example 1miau and paxmao have 50 each, many of which come from quoting you. I hope that settles your question about questions. People who have something to say (like actual opinions or facts) don't have to wrap it into this "I'm just a bystander asking a question" nonsense. Thus your statement about not engaging in a conversation and just shitposting is a projection. You do this excessively and you accuse others of it.

I asked for citations that many times?   Glad you recognize that this is for "shits and giggles" a ctritical thinking person would be more curious to see a ratio of question marks vs actual sentences written, but that's too complicated, just throw out a headline and watch sheep get in line, follow the leader and yell orcs raping babies with everyone.

[DaRude]

Sanctions and their effect

https://www.businessinsider.com/war-in-ukraine-russia-richer-millionaires-billionaires-uhnw-wealth-ubs-2023-8

I'm sure there are issues of concentration of wealth and distribution to owners of military industrial complex etc, but west is also ramping up it's military spending, so in comparison this is quite damming, especially so coming from UBS.

The number of Russian millionaires also rose by about 56,000 to 408,000 in 2022, while the number of ultra-high-net-worth individuals — people worth over $50 million — jumped by nearly 4,500.

But the US lost more wealth than any other country last year, shedding $5.9 trillion, while North America and Europe combined got $10.9 trillion poorer, UBS reported.

There were also 1 million fewer American millionaires by the end of 2022,  although the US still accounted for over 50% of the world's ultra-high-net-worth individuals, the bank said.

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There were also 1 million fewer American millionaires by the end of 2022,  although the US still accounted for over 50% of the world's ultra-high-net-worth individuals, the bank said.

It's been pointed out, I think accurately, that the economic warfare in the U.S. is mainly between the rich and the ultra-rich.  Anyone who is below millionaire status (aka, a homeowner) is basically inconsequential chattel-slave class.  Neither a threat, nor a real target.

My money is on the ultra-rich.  Many/most of the 'rich' have fallen victim to the same snares set for the chattel-slave plebs (the plandemic de-pop shot, the climate cult baloney, etc.)  Now that I think about it, maybe the 'rich' were in fact the primary targets.  They in particular tend to take the bait hook, line, and sinker.

The dynamics in the 'developing world' country where I live currently are almost identical except one has to divide by a factor.  Say ten.  The 'middle-upper class' tend to be the ones who are _still_ too scared to take off their masks.  The plebs generally didn't even put them on except under duress.  Now one can tell the slaves because they are forced to wear masks in order to keep their jobs and feed their families, or they are a terrified car-owning mid-level bureaucrats who really do believe the bullshit.

[BADecker]

The title of the article says it all. But the Youtube video says more.


Cracks Forming! NATO Official Suggests Ukraine Give Up Land


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmV7WyxxCao
Despite endless promises that NATO's dedication to Ukraine is unwavering, we were treated to a peek behind the mask yesterday, when the NATO Secretary General's chief of staff suggested in a newspaper interview that Ukraine might cede land to Russia in exchange for NATO membership of what's left of the country. Is Ukraine about to get thrown under the bus? Also today: Trump's numbers keep improving with each indictment...do they realize this?
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[paxmao]

The title of the article says it all. But the Youtube video says more.


Cracks Forming! NATO Official Suggests Ukraine Give Up Land


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmV7WyxxCao
Despite endless promises that NATO's dedication to Ukraine is unwavering, we were treated to a peek behind the mask yesterday, when the NATO Secretary General's chief of staff suggested in a newspaper interview that Ukraine might cede land to Russia in exchange for NATO membership of what's left of the country. Is Ukraine about to get thrown under the bus? Also today: Trump's numbers keep improving with each indictment...do they realize this?
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/16/nato-official-suggests-ukraine-could-give-up-territory-in-exchange-for-membership#:~:text=A%20senior%20Nato%20official%20has,an%20end%20to%20the%20war.

Nato official apologises over suggestion Ukraine could give up land for membership

A senior Nato official has apologised and clarified his comments a day after he said publicly that Ukraine could give up territory to Russia in exchange for Nato membership and an end to the war.

Stian Jenssen, the chief of staff to the Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, told a Norwegian newspaper that he should not have spoken as simplistically as he did, after his initial comments prompted an angry reaction from Kyiv.

At a panel event in Norway on Tuesday, Jenssen had said that while any peace deal reached would have to be acceptable to Ukraine, alliance members were discussing how the 18-month war might be brought to an end.

So, not a crack, just a dude having that type of happy moment in public - not only not an official posture or comment, but something that he had to take back minutes after he said it.

Let's speak of cracks, real cracks: But BA, which of 39 felonies indicted to Trump would you say is going to be the easies to prove? I am saying this because they are using the RICO legislation - this is used for drug gangs, pimps & slavery networks and many other crimes committed by an organised group.

This means that penalties are around 20 years per each individual involved and as of now the count is around 19. Tell me BA, how many "cracks" do you think are going to happen here? How many will start speaking for immunity?

[BADecker]

The title of the article says it all. But the Youtube video says more.


Cracks Forming! NATO Official Suggests Ukraine Give Up Land


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmV7WyxxCao
Despite endless promises that NATO's dedication to Ukraine is unwavering, we were treated to a peek behind the mask yesterday, when the NATO Secretary General's chief of staff suggested in a newspaper interview that Ukraine might cede land to Russia in exchange for NATO membership of what's left of the country. Is Ukraine about to get thrown under the bus? Also today: Trump's numbers keep improving with each indictment...do they realize this?
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/16/nato-official-suggests-ukraine-could-give-up-territory-in-exchange-for-membership#:~:text=A%20senior%20Nato%20official%20has,an%20end%20to%20the%20war.

Nato official apologises over suggestion Ukraine could give up land for membership

A senior Nato official has apologised and clarified his comments a day after he said publicly that Ukraine could give up territory to Russia in exchange for Nato membership and an end to the war.

Stian Jenssen, the chief of staff to the Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, told a Norwegian newspaper that he should not have spoken as simplistically as he did, after his initial comments prompted an angry reaction from Kyiv.

At a panel event in Norway on Tuesday, Jenssen had said that while any peace deal reached would have to be acceptable to Ukraine, alliance members were discussing how the 18-month war might be brought to an end.

So, not a crack, just a dude having that type of happy moment in public - not only not an official posture or comment, but something that he had to take back minutes after he said it.

Let's speak of cracks, real cracks: But BA, which of 39 felonies indicted to Trump would you say is going to be the easies to prove? I am saying this because they are using the RICO legislation - this is used for drug gangs, pimps & slavery networks and many other crimes committed by an organised group.

This means that penalties are around 20 years per each individual involved and as of now the count is around 19. Tell me BA, how many "cracks" do you think are going to happen here? How many will start speaking for immunity?

Did you notice in your own quote where it says, "... alliance members were discussing how the 18-month war might be brought to an end."

Sure, they have to phrase what they say carefully. But they are tired of paying for a war that isn't doing them any good... especially since Russia is winning.

So, if we knew what the rest of what they were saying was, and the reference that they were making, we would find a lot of things that they were saying, about pulling out of the Ukraine thing.

[Branko]

So, not a crack, just a dude having that type of happy moment in public - not only not an official posture or comment, but something that he had to take back minutes after he said it.

Let's speak of cracks, real cracks: But BA, which of 39 felonies indicted to Trump would you say is going to be the easies to prove? I am saying this because they are using the RICO legislation - this is used for drug gangs, pimps & slavery networks and many other crimes committed by an organised group.

This means that penalties are around 20 years per each individual involved and as of now the count is around 19. Tell me BA, how many "cracks" do you think are going to happen here? How many will start speaking for immunity?

Really?
I bet he was ordered to "test waters"

[BADecker]

So, not a crack, just a dude having that type of happy moment in public - not only not an official posture or comment, but something that he had to take back minutes after he said it.

Let's speak of cracks, real cracks: But BA, which of 39 felonies indicted to Trump would you say is going to be the easies to prove? I am saying this because they are using the RICO legislation - this is used for drug gangs, pimps & slavery networks and many other crimes committed by an organised group.

This means that penalties are around 20 years per each individual involved and as of now the count is around 19. Tell me BA, how many "cracks" do you think are going to happen here? How many will start speaking for immunity?

Really?
I bet he was ordered to "test waters"

Improper usage of RICO can be RICO in itself. In this case it's RICO activity of the Deep State, using RICO accusations against Trump. The indictment thing is simply a stay-afloat procedure the Deep State is using so that they can keep on making money through the Ukraine war, and all kinds of illegal, but for certain unconscionable, things that they do around the world.

The point? All the US wars since WW2, but maybe long before WW2, are US government RICO activity. This includes Ukraine. And since its inception, the Federal Reserve Bank has been a major tool of the US for doing them. Time for the Fed to fall, and take the US government along with it.

[DaRude]

U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal

Thwarted by minefields, Ukrainian forces won’t reach the southeastern city of Melitopol, a vital Russian transit hub, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment
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The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will fail to reach the key southeastern city of Melitopol
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The grim assessment is based on Russia’s brutal proficiency in defending occupied territory through a phalanx of minefields and trenches, and is likely to prompt finger pointing inside Kyiv and Western capitals about why a counteroffensive that saw tens of billions of dollars of Western weapons and military equipment fell short of its goals.
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Joint war games conducted by the U.S., British and Ukrainian militaries anticipated such losses but envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line, said U.S. and Western officials.
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Kyiv has recently dedicated more reserves to the front, including Stryker and Challenger units, but has yet to break through Russia’s main defensive line.
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“Russia has three main defensive lines there and then fortified cities after that,” he said. “It’s not just a question about whether Ukraine can breach one or two of them, but can they breach all three and have enough forces available after taking attrition to achieve something more significant like taking Tokmak or something beyond that.”
...
The bleak outlook, briefed to some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill, has already prompted a blame game inside closed-door meetings. Some Republicans are now balking at President Biden’s request for an additional $20.6 billion in Ukraine aid given the offensive’s modest results. Other Republicans and, to a lesser extent, hawkish Democrats have faulted the administration for not sending more powerful weapons to Ukraine sooner.
...
While not achieving its objectives, he noted Kyiv’s success in degrading Russian forces.
...
U.S. officials said the Pentagon recommended multiple times that Ukraine concentrate a large mass of forces on a single breakthrough point. Though Ukraine opted for a different strategy, officials said it was Kyiv’s call to make given the profound sacrifice Ukrainian troops were making on the battlefield.
...
Analysts say the challenges Ukraine has faced are multifaceted, but nearly all agree that Russia surpassed expectations when it comes to its proficiency in defending occupied territory.
...
The Ukrainians have for months poured tremendous resources into Bakhmut, including soldiers, ammunition and time, but they have lost control of the city and have made only modest gains in capturing territory around it. And while the close-in, trench-line fighting is different in Bakhmut from the problem of mines in the south, the focus has left some in the Biden administration concerned that overcommitting in the east may have eroded the potency of the counteroffensive in the south.
...
The new intelligence assessment aligns with a secret U.S. forecast from February indicating that shortfalls in equipment and force strength may mean that the counteroffensive will fall “well short” of Ukraine’s goal to sever the land bridge to Crimea by August.
...
One defense official said it is possible that Ukraine could buck historical norms and continue the counteroffensive through the winter, when everything including keeping soldiers warm and stocked with food and ammunition becomes much more difficult.
...
But Moscow may also outperform during winter military operations.
“Russians are known to be capable of fighting in cold weather,” the official said.

Billions wasted but at least we degraded Russian forces   And no one even mentions about whole generation of Ukrainians wiped out. Not surprised about people upset about loosing billions, but what surprises me the most in all of this, is the willingness of Ukraine (with population of 36mil) to sacrifice its gene pool to protect Poland? I'm sure they can find more billions to throw at this, but wondering if UA will be able to scrape up more "manpower" for another "spring offensive", you know to take back Crimea and borders of 1991 or something like that, before people will  start asking questions.

Edit:
And this is going back to trends:

[paxmao]

So, not a crack, just a dude having that type of happy moment in public - not only not an official posture or comment, but something that he had to take back minutes after he said it.

Let's speak of cracks, real cracks: But BA, which of 39 felonies indicted to Trump would you say is going to be the easies to prove? I am saying this because they are using the RICO legislation - this is used for drug gangs, pimps & slavery networks and many other crimes committed by an organised group.

This means that penalties are around 20 years per each individual involved and as of now the count is around 19. Tell me BA, how many "cracks" do you think are going to happen here? How many will start speaking for immunity?

Really?
I bet he was ordered to "test waters"

Improper usage of RICO can be RICO in itself. In this case it's RICO activity of the Deep State, using RICO accusations against Trump. The indictment thing is simply a stay-afloat procedure the Deep State is using so that they can keep on making money through the Ukraine war, and all kinds of illegal, but for certain unconscionable, things that they do around the world.

The point? All the US wars since WW2, but maybe long before WW2, are US government RICO activity. This includes Ukraine. And since its inception, the Federal Reserve Bank has been a major tool of the US for doing them. Time for the Fed to fall, and take the US government along with it.

Oh, well, maybe or maybe not - as usual you are bending reality with you own views, but, and this is the big BUT, Trump is actually being prosecuted using RICO while none of the cases that in your "view" are equivalent are or have been (which should lead you to re-think, because every politician out there has enemies, Trump is nothing special).

Georgia in particular has a super-wide definition of an organisation, length of activities and purposes. I guess should have committed this type of felony somewhere else.

On the war: Urozhaine and Robotine have been taken by Ukraine. The slow grinding and the operations in the Kherson area do not stop and the grinding is happening day after day. In the first of these, a significant group of Ruzzian troops were captured after failing to retreat on time.

A couple of generals have "gone missing" or "had health problems", one of them in prison - not seen since then.

[BADecker]

Russia is having successes some of the time, and Ukraine is having successes some of the time. Looking at an individual success by either of them doesn't tell you much of what is going on throughout the whole war.


"I'll Be Blunt, It's Failed," Says Congressional Ukraine Caucus Co-Chair On Offensive


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/top-ukraine-caucus-congressman-counteroffensive-ill-be-blunt-its-failed
Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD), a co-chair of the congressional Ukraine Caucus, said this week that he's not sure if the Ukraine war is "winnable" and called for the US to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to pursue peace talks.

Harris is also a member of the Freedom Caucus, which has many members who have opposed US support for Ukraine. But Harris has been a staunch supporter of the proxy war against Russia throughout the conflict.

"Is this more a stalemate? Should we be realistic about it? I think we probably should," Harris said at a town hall on Tuesday night, according to POLITICO. Discussing the Ukrainian counteroffensive, Harris said, "I'll be blunt, it's failed."
...

[paxmao]

U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal

Thwarted by minefields, Ukrainian forces won’t reach the southeastern city of Melitopol, a vital Russian transit hub, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment
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The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will fail to reach the key southeastern city of Melitopol
...
The grim assessment is based on Russia’s brutal proficiency in defending occupied territory through a phalanx of minefields and trenches, and is likely to prompt finger pointing inside Kyiv and Western capitals about why a counteroffensive that saw tens of billions of dollars of Western weapons and military equipment fell short of its goals.
...
Joint war games conducted by the U.S., British and Ukrainian militaries anticipated such losses but envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line, said U.S. and Western officials.
...
Kyiv has recently dedicated more reserves to the front, including Stryker and Challenger units, but has yet to break through Russia’s main defensive line.
...
“Russia has three main defensive lines there and then fortified cities after that,” he said. “It’s not just a question about whether Ukraine can breach one or two of them, but can they breach all three and have enough forces available after taking attrition to achieve something more significant like taking Tokmak or something beyond that.”
...
The bleak outlook, briefed to some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill, has already prompted a blame game inside closed-door meetings. Some Republicans are now balking at President Biden’s request for an additional $20.6 billion in Ukraine aid given the offensive’s modest results. Other Republicans and, to a lesser extent, hawkish Democrats have faulted the administration for not sending more powerful weapons to Ukraine sooner.
...
While not achieving its objectives, he noted Kyiv’s success in degrading Russian forces.
...

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Edit:
And this is going back to trends:
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And your alternative is? Ukraine giving Putin whatever he wants? How suspiciously convenient.

Again and again the same argument, again the same answer: giving Putler what he ask means another war in 5 years. Exactly the same as when Hitler invaded Slovakia and Czechia and Europe did nothing: Poland was next, and the the USSR. Leaders like Putin and countries with a kleptocratic government do not have limits to their ambitions. They have to be left without means of aggression.

[DaRude]

U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal

Thwarted by minefields, Ukrainian forces won’t reach the southeastern city of Melitopol, a vital Russian transit hub, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment
...
The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will fail to reach the key southeastern city of Melitopol
...
The grim assessment is based on Russia’s brutal proficiency in defending occupied territory through a phalanx of minefields and trenches, and is likely to prompt finger pointing inside Kyiv and Western capitals about why a counteroffensive that saw tens of billions of dollars of Western weapons and military equipment fell short of its goals.
...
Joint war games conducted by the U.S., British and Ukrainian militaries anticipated such losses but envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line, said U.S. and Western officials.
...
Kyiv has recently dedicated more reserves to the front, including Stryker and Challenger units, but has yet to break through Russia’s main defensive line.
...
“Russia has three main defensive lines there and then fortified cities after that,” he said. “It’s not just a question about whether Ukraine can breach one or two of them, but can they breach all three and have enough forces available after taking attrition to achieve something more significant like taking Tokmak or something beyond that.”
...
The bleak outlook, briefed to some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill, has already prompted a blame game inside closed-door meetings. Some Republicans are now balking at President Biden’s request for an additional $20.6 billion in Ukraine aid given the offensive’s modest results. Other Republicans and, to a lesser extent, hawkish Democrats have faulted the administration for not sending more powerful weapons to Ukraine sooner.
...
While not achieving its objectives, he noted Kyiv’s success in degrading Russian forces.
...
U.S. officials said the Pentagon recommended multiple times that Ukraine concentrate a large mass of forces on a single breakthrough point. Though Ukraine opted for a different strategy, officials said it was Kyiv’s call to make given the profound sacrifice Ukrainian troops were making on the battlefield.
...
Analysts say the challenges Ukraine has faced are multifaceted, but nearly all agree that Russia surpassed expectations when it comes to its proficiency in defending occupied territory.
...
The Ukrainians have for months poured tremendous resources into Bakhmut, including soldiers, ammunition and time, but they have lost control of the city and have made only modest gains in capturing territory around it. And while the close-in, trench-line fighting is different in Bakhmut from the problem of mines in the south, the focus has left some in the Biden administration concerned that overcommitting in the east may have eroded the potency of the counteroffensive in the south.
...
The new intelligence assessment aligns with a secret U.S. forecast from February indicating that shortfalls in equipment and force strength may mean that the counteroffensive will fall “well short” of Ukraine’s goal to sever the land bridge to Crimea by August.
...
One defense official said it is possible that Ukraine could buck historical norms and continue the counteroffensive through the winter, when everything including keeping soldiers warm and stocked with food and ammunition becomes much more difficult.
...
But Moscow may also outperform during winter military operations.
“Russians are known to be capable of fighting in cold weather,” the official said.

Billions wasted but at least we degraded Russian forces   And no one even mentions about whole generation of Ukrainians wiped out. Not surprised about people upset about loosing billions, but what surprises me the most in all of this, is the willingness of Ukraine (with population of 36mil) to sacrifice its gene pool to protect Poland? I'm sure they can find more billions to throw at this, but wondering if UA will be able to scrape up more "manpower" for another "spring offensive", you know to take back Crimea and borders of 1991 or something like that, before people will  start asking questions.

Edit:
And this is going back to trends:

And your alternative is? Ukraine giving Putin whatever he wants? How suspiciously convenient.

Again and again the same argument, again the same answer: giving Putler what he ask means another war in 5 years. Exactly the same as when Hitler invaded Slovakia and Czechia and Europe did nothing: Poland was next, and the the USSR. Leaders like Putin and countries with a kleptocratic government do not have limits to their ambitions. They have to be left without means of aggression.

You were lead to believe a false binary, either to become fully dependent on the west or dying, to the point where you don't even see any other alternatives. Whole point of heads of state is to foresee and select the most optimal outcome, taking into consideration geopolitics amongst all other things. The alternative was always to go back to how things were in 2013, that is UA goes back under RU's sphere of influence. And you don't really want a unipolar world anyway

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

interestingly enough the next sentence in Lord Acton's full quotes is "Great men are almost always bad men".

Surely even you must admit that there's something very funny about the game of first refusing to deliver some weapon and then delivering it (to the thanks and applause of the people ) just when it's too late to make a difference. HIMARS, Patriot, Leopards, Storm Shadow/SCALP, Abrams, Challenger, ATACMS, F16 etc, etc, etc Ask yourself if that's merely a coincidence, or the timing is carefully planned? Ukraine is playing a game it was never meant to win (main thing for good Presidents to avoid). Think how much of that was planned when US Ambassador handed over Washington's written responses to Russian security demands, a month before the war. Humans tend to overestimate their importance, but it's just a pawn in a big game, doesn't matter if its Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine. A willing victim made to become a sacrificial pawn.

We're way past the option where this can lead to another war in 5 years (like Minsk agreements in 2014), Russia is too committed at this point. To the victor go the spoils, any agreement must include neutered Ukraine with terms that will put it back under RU's sphere of influence. Things go back to how they were in 2013 before Nuland showed up with her cookies. Something like no NATO or military in Ukraine with Russian oversight (like Japan after WW2), and Crimea with all other regions will be leased to Russia for 100yrs with a referendum after that. That way everyone can claim a victory, Ukraine technically restores their 1991 borders. If you look back at this, the odds just were never there, the highest probabilities were always for RU to collapse on the social/financial/political fronts, no one in their right mind thought that UA can defeat RU militarily on the battlefield, that was always means to buy time for financial collapse to take effect and instill social unrest. Silly idea, which we now see didn't bear fruit as expected, now will anyone bear responsibility, probably not because people don't really demand accountability.