FIFA 2022 world cup

[arimamib]

Football is a team game, not an individual show. But the team desperately needs some top players, even though his level below Messi and Ronaldo can at least make a difference in the game. Ronaldo and Messi are legends that will never be forgotten in football, after Ronaldo and Messi are no longer (retired) other players will appear. The Qatar World Cup became their last competition in the most prestigious football stage, after that they were no longer possible to appear in this quadrennial event because of their age.

I really feel sad when I think that I will never get to see Ronaldo and Messi in the world cup again. New players will emerge next time (and 2026 world cup is going to feature 48 teams), but I don't think that anyone will be able to match these two. Qatar 2022 will be the last (as well as first) world cup for Gareth Bale as well. I feel sad, but at least he got a chance to play in the world cup this time. Much luckier than Goran Pandeev, who never got an opportunity. This time a lot of good players will retire, including Luka Modric, Luis Suarez, Edinson Cavani, Manuel Neuer and Thomas Muller.

The World Cup is an opportunity to show skills for young players who have the potential for a bright future, they will show their talent to steal the attention of elite clubs in Europe. Players will change over time, because they can't fight the movement of age. We used to be able to watch the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, after that it was Messi and Ronaldo. Maybe in the future other talented players can be born to replace their role. Losing the two gridiron legends will not reduce the interest of football lovers in the 2026 world cup, because generations of players will continue to change.

[Sithara007]

The World Cup is an opportunity to show skills for young players who have the potential for a bright future, they will show their talent to steal the attention of elite clubs in Europe. Players will change over time, because they can't fight the movement of age. We used to be able to watch the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, after that it was Messi and Ronaldo. Maybe in the future other talented players can be born to replace their role. Losing the two gridiron legends will not reduce the interest of football lovers in the 2026 world cup, because generations of players will continue to change.

Players may come and go. But for my generation, Messi and Ronaldo are like legends. They represent the sport of football for an entire generation, as they have been playing for more than 15 years. Obviously in the next world cup (2026) some new player may take their place. And it is quite possible that some of the younger fans back then won't recognize how good Messi and Ronaldo were. For my parents' generation, Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Peter Schmeichel, Romário and Roberto Baggio were the heroes. But I don't feel nostalgic for them, because I was a small kid back then. For me, my heroes are Messi and Ronaldo. For the next generation, it maybe someone else.

[Xxmodded]

The World Cup is an opportunity to show skills for young players who have the potential for a bright future, they will show their talent to steal the attention of elite clubs in Europe. Players will change over time, because they can't fight the movement of age. We used to be able to watch the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, after that it was Messi and Ronaldo. Maybe in the future other talented players can be born to replace their role. Losing the two gridiron legends will not reduce the interest of football lovers in the 2026 world cup, because generations of players will continue to change.

Exactly true with FIFA World Cup is an opportunity to show young player skill, learned from how popular with Ronaldinho after he has excited performance on FIFA World Cup 2002 in South Korea. I think after World Cup 2022 we can see many young potential player and make all fans can forget with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo for retiring from football. I think have big impact early when losing two legend of football icons from business and most talking by fans with Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi, but football keep running ahead who ever become favorite player for next time keep make football and FIFA World Cup most interested to watch.

[rahmad2nd]

Players may come and go. But for my generation, Messi and Ronaldo are like legends. They represent the sport of football for an entire generation, as they have been playing for more than 15 years. Obviously in the next world cup (2026) some new player may take their place. And it is quite possible that some of the younger fans back then won't recognize how good Messi and Ronaldo were. For my parents' generation, Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Peter Schmeichel, Romário and Roberto Baggio were the heroes. But I don't feel nostalgic for them, because I was a small kid back then. For me, my heroes are Messi and Ronaldo. For the next generation, it maybe someone else.

Talking about soccer star players, there are many soccer stars today, both legends and stars competing in world leagues.
but lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo are extraordinary players who are very talented more than any other football legend. the presence of talented players like these two stars, will not happen in a decade, it can even exceed several decades, until young stars are born who exceed them both, both in talent and achievement of many achievements. so far they are both megastars of all time. however, we will never know they will retire after this world cup event or not.
So far there is no statement from the two megastars.

[emrecemsan]

I still can't understand how a team that were expected to reach the finale could be eliminated by North Macedonia in the play-off round. I know that it has been a long time since it happened but it's hard to absorb.
Injuries can play a big role for the competing teams in this World Cup.
...

I'd like to asnwer this because this is why we are here betting on soccer (other sports too) but soccer is something else...
A lot of matches are simply unpredictable, maybe impossible to find out what's happened.

I don't think Italy lost the chance to World Cup due to injuries, look at the chart:

~snip~

Actually I didn't mean to put it that way. The second paragraph is independent from the first one but it might be my mistake to cause it to be understood like that. 

Italy's problem wasn't related to injuries of course. They had many draws in the group stage and I felt like that was a bad sign for the next stages of the World Cup as well. However I would never expect North Macedonia to punish them like that in the play-off stage already. Maybe it was luck because Italy did whatever they could in that match.

On the other hand, I also agree with you about Italy's future. They would come back stronger in the next World Cup. Because normally Italy have a great pool full of talented players. Maybe it was about the team chemistry after some new young players joined.

[shogun47]

I still can't understand how a team that were expected to reach the finale could be eliminated by North Macedonia in the play-off round. I know that it has been a long time since it happened but it's hard to absorb.
Injuries can play a big role for the competing teams in this World Cup.
...

I'd like to asnwer this because this is why we are here betting on soccer (other sports too) but soccer is something else...
A lot of matches are simply unpredictable, maybe impossible to find out what's happened.

I don't think Italy lost the chance to World Cup due to injuries, look at the chart:

~snip~

Actually I didn't mean to put it that way. The second paragraph is independent from the first one but it might be my mistake to cause it to be understood like that. 

Italy's problem wasn't related to injuries of course. They had many draws in the group stage and I felt like that was a bad sign for the next stages of the World Cup as well. However I would never expect North Macedonia to punish them like that in the play-off stage already. Maybe it was luck because Italy did whatever they could in that match.

On the other hand, I also agree with you about Italy's future. They would come back stronger in the next World Cup. Because normally Italy have a great pool full of talented players. Maybe it was about the team chemistry after some new young players joined.

It isn't uncommon that the top teams only win by a goal or two against the smaller, less popular nations. Sometimes during the qualification rounds you would think that Spain or England will win every game with 5 goals or more ahead, but that is often not the case. The games are much closer in many cases. When seemingly weaker teams like North-Macedonia score the first goal, everyone knows how time starts ticking for the big favorite. Sometimes many things happen then. Many close shots on target, a lucky safe by the keeper and maybe the post saves the underdog in the final minutes. One thing is also for sure, that the underdogs fight as if that game was already the World Cup final. The team spirit in such situations is not to be underestimated. I hope we will see some of those games when David puts Goliath under fire, it's always fun to watch them.

[maju69]

Players may come and go. But for my generation, Messi and Ronaldo are like legends. They represent the sport of football for an entire generation, as they have been playing for more than 15 years. Obviously in the next world cup (2026) some new player may take their place. And it is quite possible that some of the younger fans back then won't recognize how good Messi and Ronaldo were. For my parents' generation, Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Peter Schmeichel, Romário and Roberto Baggio were the heroes. But I don't feel nostalgic for them, because I was a small kid back then. For me, my heroes are Messi and Ronaldo. For the next generation, it maybe someone else.

Talking about soccer star players, there are many soccer stars today, both legends and stars competing in world leagues.
but lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo are extraordinary players who are very talented more than any other football legend. the presence of talented players like these two stars, will not happen in a decade, it can even exceed several decades, until young stars are born who exceed them both, both in talent and achievement of many achievements. so far they are both megastars of all time. however, we will never know they will retire after this world cup event or not.
So far there is no statement from the two megastars.

Messi and Ronaldo are still icons of world football. Although now their performance is declining in each of the teams they defend. But his appearance is still awaited by most football lovers. Moreover, this is a World Cup where these two players have never lifted the trophy of the biggest party in football. Not only that, disputes between two fans still occur, especially on social media, both fans are still comparing who is better between the two even though there are now many talented young players born.

[Sithara007]

Messi and Ronaldo are still icons of world football. Although now their performance is declining in each of the teams they defend. But his appearance is still awaited by most football lovers. Moreover, this is a World Cup where these two players have never lifted the trophy of the biggest party in football. Not only that, disputes between two fans still occur, especially on social media, both fans are still comparing who is better between the two even though there are now many talented young players born.

It is surprising to hear that their performance is declining. Personally, I haven't noticed any such thing. Messi has scored frequently for his new club (Paris Saint-Germain), while Cristiano Ronaldo is in good form for Manchester United. And recently both the players have helped the national teams in various tournaments. That said, I would not make a comparison between these two players. Both of them have their own unique set of skills. In some domain, one will be better than the other and the reverse may be true in some of the other domains.

[nullama]

~snip~
Players may come and go. But for my generation, Messi and Ronaldo are like legends. They represent the sport of football for an entire generation, as they have been playing for more than 15 years. Obviously in the next world cup (2026) some new player may take their place. And it is quite possible that some of the younger fans back then won't recognize how good Messi and Ronaldo were. For my parents' generation, Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Peter Schmeichel, Romário and Roberto Baggio were the heroes. But I don't feel nostalgic for them, because I was a small kid back then. For me, my heroes are Messi and Ronaldo. For the next generation, it maybe someone else.

Maradona and Pele are probably on another level though.

In Argentina Maradona is also known as D10S (God in Spanish, spelled with the number 10, his shirt number). People really have an adoration of Maradona, I think he transcended football.

And Pele was just phenomenal, probably the first superstar in football.

Even though Messi is great, it will never get to the same level of Maradona.

[jaberwock]

It is surprising to hear that their performance is declining. Personally, I haven't noticed any such thing. Messi has scored frequently for his new club (Paris Saint-Germain), while Cristiano Ronaldo is in good form for Manchester United. And recently both the players have helped the national teams in various tournaments. That said, I would not make a comparison between these two players. Both of them have their own unique set of skills. In some domain, one will be better than the other and the reverse may be true in some of the other domains.

There is no doubt now this is happening because age factor is going to have big impact on them as well with Ronaldo is 37 and Messi is 35 which mean they are now not good as we have them in last world cup 2018 they already both are over 35+ which mean they can't play like they have done in previous events.

Even both are giving their best in club games Messi already done good in new season in PSG, but Ronaldo is unable to perform as he is currently under some good rumors for change of club because of his desire for Champions League, but both are capable of giving their best in this world cup which could be last for these both players and many more which are already near them in age factor.

[mv1986]

Keep in mind though that there have always been exceptions especially when it comes to the goalkeeper position. Buffon and other keepers have been around their forties or close to it and still participated in the big tournaments. I can see Neuer still being around in four years from now. Maybe he isn't first choice anymore by then, but he could still be a part of the team. That might also be the case for Muller, but it all comes down to their physical fitness and whether they are still playing by then anyway. But yes, this World Cup will be the last one for some of the GOATs. Hopefully we can enjoy some strong performances by Messi, Ronaldo and all the rest.

Here, we have nothing new because it's going into cycle many great players now in history books with their play and achievements so same going to happen with these legendary players as well because no one can stop time span and these players from coming older as we lost them surely we will have many new names even many are under development, but few are giving their best like Mbappé, Neymar and Haaland they could be new players to talk about and having something good for new generation kids.

Messi and Ronaldo were unique as we watch them for many years, and now it's time for them to give up and replaced with new ones, so we feel they are the greatest player in soccer history even we have too many names and performances from many legendary players in past as well.

Most chances Neuer are not going to stay here for next four years because he is not like we have Buffon or few others those give their best until age of 40 most chances he will be replaced soon with some better one.

I would even take a bet and say that Neuer will still be playing in four years from now! I don't know whether he would still be the first goalkeeper at the next World Cup, but I do believe that he will still be an active professional goalkeeper.

I think we have seen a real epoch in sports. In soccer as well as elsewhere. I really doubt that we will anytime soon be witnessing two players that in 12 out of 13 years win the world soccer player title. Messi and Ronaldo won it in 10 consecutive years. That is just hard to imagine even when there is Mbappe and Haaland out there right now. There were so many factors involved, not least the fact that Ronaldo and Messi stayed healthy all the time. It just needs one major injury and you can't win the trophy anymore during a particular season or maybe even two seasons. They didn't have those injuries and they scored like monsters nonstop. I think that was one example that could go down in history as once in a lifetime from a spectator's point of view.

[alegotardo]

I would even take a bet and say that Neuer will still be playing in four years from now! I don't know whether he would still be the first goalkeeper at the next World Cup, but I do believe that he will still be an active professional goalkeeper.

I have to agree with you, as since 2019 I have seen news that Bayern would be looking for another goalkeeper to replace Neuer after his retirement, but that never happens. In fact news about Neuer's retirement dates back to 2016.
But, on the contrary... Neuer is still active and being one of the best goalkeepers in the world.
Regarding injuries, goalkeepers have a low risk for this, one more reason to believe that Neuer will continue for a few more years.

[nullama]

~snip~
I have to agree with you, as since 2019 I have seen news that Bayern would be looking for another goalkeeper to replace Neuer after his retirement, but that never happens. In fact news about Neuer's retirement dates back to 2016.
But, on the contrary... Neuer is still active and being one of the best goalkeepers in the world.
Regarding injuries, goalkeepers have a low risk for this, one more reason to believe that Neuer will continue for a few more years.

Yeah, goalkeepers tend to have a longer career because they are not as physically active in the entire 90 minutes of every match. I'm still surprised to see many players like Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi still at almost their peak even though they are pretty old for football standards. I guess science and technology these days help to keep them active for longer.

[Sithara007]

Yeah, goalkeepers tend to have a longer career because they are not as physically active in the entire 90 minutes of every match. I'm still surprised to see many players like Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi still at almost their peak even though they are pretty old for football standards. I guess science and technology these days help to keep them active for longer.

Well.. that is surprising, because I always thought that the job of goalkeeper was a lot more demanding. It is very stressful and requires a lot of physical activity. And almost everytime, they are not given due credit. There have been some legendary goalkeepers in the past, such as Peter Schmeichel and Carlos Valderrama. But they are not given the same amount of respect, as given to forwards such as Diego Maradona and Zinedine Zidane. Anyway, this is just my personal opinion and others may not agree with me.

[kamvreto]

Yeah, goalkeepers tend to have a longer career because they are not as physically active in the entire 90 minutes of every match. I'm still surprised to see many players like Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi still at almost their peak even though they are pretty old for football standards. I guess science and technology these days help to keep them active for longer.

Well.. that is surprising, because I always thought that the job of goalkeeper was a lot more demanding. It is very stressful and requires a lot of physical activity. And almost everytime, they are not given due credit. There have been some legendary goalkeepers in the past, such as Peter Schmeichel and Carlos Valderrama. But they are not given the same amount of respect, as given to forwards such as Diego Maradona and Zinedine Zidane. Anyway, this is just my personal opinion and others may not agree with me.

The ones who are better known and have high prestige are always strikers who score a lot of goals and some fans forget the services of a goalkeeper. The goalkeeper is the last defense to block the ball into the goal. Some of the best goalkeepers in 2022 include Jan Oblak from Atletico Madrid, Manuel Neuer from Germany, Marc-Andre ter Stegen from Barcelona. they are heroes at the back and need to get the credit they deserve.

[rahmad2nd]

Messi and Ronaldo are still icons of world football. Although now their performance is declining in each of the teams they defend. But his appearance is still awaited by most football lovers. Moreover, this is a World Cup where these two players have never lifted the trophy of the biggest party in football. Not only that, disputes between two fans still occur, especially on social media, both fans are still comparing who is better between the two even though there are now many talented young players born.

there are a lot of talented young players at the moment, they are very good at their level. has extraordinary talent skills but until now, there has not been a star player who is truly on the same level as the two megastars.
It's a pity that these two megastars have never lifted the most prestigious championship trophy in the world football competition tournament.
Even so, it doesn't mean that Messi and Ronaldo's performance has decreased drastically, this season, Messi is still considered excellent, he can score goals while defending the PSG squad as well as the assists he gives to his teammates. another fate was different for ronaldo, ronaldo's contribution was needed in the man united squad, but a strong desire to change clubs, made his performance look declining.
However, the Qatar World Cup schedule still leaves a lot of time for them and other country squads to improve and improve the performance of each player.

[EarnOnVictor]

FIFA World cup 2022 will be interesting. It will be like a thug of war. Just that my favourite club, Nigerian
Super Eagle has been nocked out in the Qatar qualifiers stage. But i am still hoping to support another club (Country) in the tournament. Preferably, African club, but what I am afraid of is the referees. World cup referees are not friendly with the African Teams. That not withstanding, fair play can bring out the best in the world cup. European clubs, Asian clubs and African clubs are my prediction to win the world cup.
On your own prediction, whom do you think will win the tournament and carry the Golden Cup? Remember every country's plan is to win the world cup tournament but not every team will win and the three (3) best will be selected. And that should be:

1st winner
2nd winner and
3rd Winner.


Say your mind.

The winner of the 2022 FIFA world cup is between Germany and Spain, and my preference is with the hierarchy I wrote them. I am glad that this list made the poll on this thread, which makes it more assured because the players in the countries are the best in the world. I support Germany to be the winner, and Spain to be the second. Both Germany and Spain could switch sides too, it does not matter, yet Germany is my preference. Germany has it so poor and lucky in the last world cup despite having the best players. They must have learned their lessons and will give a fierce fight this time.

[Sithara007]

The winner of the 2022 FIFA world cup is between Germany, Spain, and Italy, and my preferences are with the hierarchy I wrote them. I am glad that this list made the poll on this thread, which makes it more assured because the players in the counties are the best in the world. I support Germany to be the winner, Spain to be the second and Italy to be the third. Both Spain and Italy could switch sides too, it does not matter. Germany has it so poor and lucky in the last world cup despite having the best players. They must have learned their lessons and given a fierce fight this time.

Historically, UEFA teams have fared poorly when the tournament is held outside Europe. And despite that you have chosen Germany and Spain to be the winners are runners-up. And I really don't understand how Italy comes in the picture. For heaven's sake they haven't even qualified for the world cup. There was some discussion on Ecuador getting disqualified and Italy entering the world cup as replacement. But FIFA has rubbished such claims. And I am sure that it will be tough for Germany and Spain to progress to the semi-finals stage.

[Juggy777]

The winner of the 2022 FIFA world cup is between Germany, Spain, and Italy, and my preferences are with the hierarchy I wrote them. I am glad that this list made the poll on this thread, which makes it more assured because the players in the counties are the best in the world. I support Germany to be the winner, Spain to be the second and Italy to be the third. Both Spain and Italy could switch sides too, it does not matter. Germany has it so poor and lucky in the last world cup despite having the best players. They must have learned their lessons and given a fierce fight this time.

Historically, UEFA teams have fared poorly when the tournament is held outside Europe. And despite that you have chosen Germany and Spain to be the winners are runners-up. And I really don't understand how Italy comes in the picture. For heaven's sake they haven't even qualified for the world cup. There was some discussion on Ecuador getting disqualified and Italy entering the world cup as replacement. But FIFA has rubbished such claims. And I am sure that it will be tough for Germany and Spain to progress to the semi-finals stage.

@Sithara007 I too was baffled to read when he chose to put Italy for a contender, and either he believed the rumours or he hasn’t been updated with who qualified for the World Cup. Lastly I feel that you’re right because these two teams are no longer considered dangerous like they were in the past, hence we should consider wagering on them only if odds are good and if they show decent form in their previous matches.

[rdluffy]

@Sithara007 I too was baffled to read when he chose to put Italy for a contender, and either he believed the rumours or he hasn’t been updated with who qualified for the World Cup. Lastly I feel that you’re right because these two teams are no longer considered dangerous like they were in the past, hence we should consider wagering on them only if odds are good and if they show decent form in their previous matches.

I already asked to op in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392720.msg60806588#msg60806588 to update the squads of the poll and put the favorites to win.
I believe soon or later he'll update, he's active in here, or I'll try to reach him by PM

The user above saw the first post and probably forgot about Italy 

@EarnOnVictor - if you enter on a thread with a lot of pages, it's better to read the last ones too, you'll be updated about the subject