[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[chaser15]

Maybe it is a mistake that Crawford is a free agent. He thought that without Bob Arum and ESPN this fight is going to happen easily. He thought that without a promoter and a network to lean on he can be treated well and receives a fair deal.

That makes sense to believe and I agree with you. Even Bob Arum was being seen as protecting his cash cow, without his influence and reputation, his boxers might end up in a small and not-that-impressive fights contract. Bob Arum is specialized in organizing fights that even if it's between a famous and not, the fight will be sold and hyped.

I don't know if Crawford and Spence will still face each other but as long as they continue winning their fights, the possibility is always there.

[Natalim]

Maybe it is a mistake that Crawford is a free agent. He thought that without Bob Arum and ESPN this fight is going to happen easily. He thought that without a promoter and a network to lean on he can be treated well and receives a fair deal.

That makes sense to believe and I agree with you. Even Bob Arum was being seen as protecting his cash cow, without his influence and reputation, his boxers might end up in a small and not-that-impressive fights contract. Bob Arum is specialized in organizing fights that even if it's between a famous and not, the fight will be sold and hyped.

I don't know if Crawford and Spence will still face each other but as long as they continue winning their fights, the possibility is always there.

So do you really believe that it's because he is a free agent?

When did Crawford become a free agent? I think he already had fights even if he is already a free agent, so I think that is not really the problem, I guess the real problem here is the other side which is probably Spence who is avoiding this fight to happen.

[Japinat]

For the meantime, this fight will be parked unless there's any further news and updates with regard to this match. It will be announced, or another rumor will come up around the social media channels.

And that rumors will surely be circulated next year if Crawford will win against Avanesyan in December and Spence will also win in his next fight.

I just wonder what will happen if Crawford loses against Avanesyan. That's a big news.

Spence might have an easy match for an undisputed Welterweight bout for let's say he will wait for the winner of this match and not fight another boxer yet.

It is really hard to imagine that Bud Crawford will be defeated here, I mean, this David Avanesyan do have a pretty record as he finished his 5 recent fights in KO and TKO but I don't think that he can do that to Crawford. Personally, I'm inclined that this is just like a tune-up fight and others have said that this is just a cherry-picked fight to keep Crawford's flame burning while he is also waiting for the undisputed fight.

[carlisle1]

For the meantime, this fight will be parked unless there's any further news and updates with regard to this match. It will be announced, or another rumor will come up around the social media channels.

And that rumors will surely be circulated next year if Crawford will win against Avanesyan in December and Spence will also win in his next fight.

I just wonder what will happen if Crawford loses against Avanesyan. That's a big news.

Spence might have an easy match for an undisputed Welterweight bout for let's say he will wait for the winner of this match and not fight another boxer yet.

It is really hard to imagine that Bud Crawford will be defeated here, I mean, this David Avanesyan do have a pretty record as he finished his 5 recent fights in KO and TKO but I don't think that he can do that to Crawford. Personally, I'm inclined that this is just like a tune-up fight and others have said that this is just a cherry-picked fight to keep Crawford's flame burning while he is also waiting for the undisputed fight.

I also have that impression while waiting for Spence's camp to sign the deal. Crawford's camp takes this fight to keep him above,
and to add more noise to his name.

But we all knew that we are talking about boxing and this sport also has possibilities to witness upset. I'm just wondering what if
Crawford got defeated do Spence will take the call challenging Avanesyan right away.

We never know what the future may bring, but let's wait for the outcome of Crawford's fight, then see if what would be the developments between him and Spence.

[Yaunfitda]

For the meantime, this fight will be parked unless there's any further news and updates with regard to this match. It will be announced, or another rumor will come up around the social media channels.

And that rumors will surely be circulated next year if Crawford will win against Avanesyan in December and Spence will also win in his next fight.

I just wonder what will happen if Crawford loses against Avanesyan. That's a big news.

Spence might have an easy match for an undisputed Welterweight bout for let's say he will wait for the winner of this match and not fight another boxer yet.

It is really hard to imagine that Bud Crawford will be defeated here, I mean, this David Avanesyan do have a pretty record as he finished his 5 recent fights in KO and TKO but I don't think that he can do that to Crawford. Personally, I'm inclined that this is just like a tune-up fight and others have said that this is just a cherry-picked fight to keep Crawford's flame burning while he is also waiting for the undisputed fight.

He really needs to be active, and perhaps this is what Spence want him, not to fight and wait for next year. But if that is the case, then just maybe he will have a ring rust and that's what Crawford is trying to avoid in his career. He needs to be active and as you have said, keep that fire inside of him to be competitive. And so he chooses a dangerous boxer that hits hard. It might not be a good choice in paper, but Crawford is willing to put his belt on the line against a relatively unknown fighter. And definitely, upsets do happen but Crawford is willing to take that risk here.

[harizen]

I'm just wondering what if Crawford got defeated do Spence will take the call challenging Avanesyan right away.

If the goal is to be unified all the Welterweight belts, then I think that would be the case if Crawford got defeated against Avanesyan on his title defense in December. There would even be no need for Spence to call out Avanesyan as I'm sure the latter will do it instead as that was a big break in his career.

Well then, since this fight now failed to materialize I think further discussion about this match is pointless for now.

Let's hope that next year, the much-awaited fight for long will now turn into reality.

[Baofeng]

Maybe it is a mistake that Crawford is a free agent. He thought that without Bob Arum and ESPN this fight is going to happen easily. He thought that without a promoter and a network to lean on he can be treated well and receives a fair deal.

That makes sense to believe and I agree with you. Even Bob Arum was being seen as protecting his cash cow, without his influence and reputation, his boxers might end up in a small and not-that-impressive fights contract. Bob Arum is specialized in organizing fights that even if it's between a famous and not, the fight will be sold and hyped.

I don't know if Crawford and Spence will still face each other but as long as they continue winning their fights, the possibility is always there.

So do you really believe that it's because he is a free agent?

When did Crawford become a free agent? I think he already had fights even if he is already a free agent, so I think that is not really the problem, I guess the real problem here is the other side which is probably Spence who is avoiding this fight to happen.

Well this is the facts and you can decide for yourself:

1. Arum said that Crawford is not a PPV star, and that his company is losing money in promoting him.

“Well Terence Crawford, I think, is clearly one of the best fighters in the world today. He’s tremendously skilled. Unfortunately he hasn’t shown to be a fighter who’s been a draw on pay-per-view, for whatever reason.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/12/1/22812992/bob-arum-terence-crawford-not-ppv-draw-lost-money-every-fight-boxing-news-2021

1. Crawford did not sign or renew his contract with Top Rank, on the contrary file a $10 million lawsuit, claiming that Bob Arum and Top Rank doesn't know how to promote Black boxers. He term it "‘revolting racial bias’".

“For years, professional boxers and others in the sports world have called out Top Rank’s owner Bob Arum for his disparate treatment of Black boxers, including those very same Black boxers that Top Rank is contractually obligated to promote.

And this one:

Following the Porter fight, Crawford spoke to media — with Arum beside him — at the post-fight news conference. Crawford was honest when he said he was moving on, saying that Top Rank didn’t help secure a fight with Spence, who is signed with Premier Boxing Champions.

“Bob (Arum) couldn’t secure me the (Errol) Spence fight when I was with him, so how is he going to secure me the Spence fight when I’m not with him? I’m moving forward with my career,” Crawford said (via Boxing News 24).

Arum, who denied the allegations, said Crawford and Spence wanted too much money. The reported amount at the time was around $9 million to $10 million. Going further into the lawsuit, Arum said that Crawford’s problems are his own when it comes to fighting and marketing.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/terence-crawford-racial-bias-lawsuit-bob-arum-top-rank/1vr44ojqhujhc1nm5atufqaais

And so with Bob Arum out of the picture, and when we thought that it can be made, now the fight is official off.

So it's up to us to come up with our own conclusion on who is to blame here.

[Japinat]

For the meantime, this fight will be parked unless there's any further news and updates with regard to this match. It will be announced, or another rumor will come up around the social media channels.

And that rumors will surely be circulated next year if Crawford will win against Avanesyan in December and Spence will also win in his next fight.

I just wonder what will happen if Crawford loses against Avanesyan. That's a big news.

Spence might have an easy match for an undisputed Welterweight bout for let's say he will wait for the winner of this match and not fight another boxer yet.

It is really hard to imagine that Bud Crawford will be defeated here, I mean, this David Avanesyan do have a pretty record as he finished his 5 recent fights in KO and TKO but I don't think that he can do that to Crawford. Personally, I'm inclined that this is just like a tune-up fight and others have said that this is just a cherry-picked fight to keep Crawford's flame burning while he is also waiting for the undisputed fight.

I also have that impression while waiting for Spence's camp to sign the deal. Crawford's camp takes this fight to keep him above,
and to add more noise to his name.

But we all knew that we are talking about boxing and this sport also has possibilities to witness upset. I'm just wondering what if
Crawford got defeated do Spence will take the call challenging Avanesyan right away.

We never know what the future may bring, but let's wait for the outcome of Crawford's fight, then see if what would be the developments between him and Spence.

I guess that is their motive after all, Crawford need someone to fight on because his days of inactivity is running that is why his camp urged to have at least 1 fight first while waiting for the undisputed discussion. Also, it's very unlikely that Crawford will get defeated here against this David Avanesyan, I know there's a possible of upset in any fight but I think the chance we're talking is just slim because when I checked the latter's record, it's not that good because the latter haven't fought someone at least near Crawford's caliber.

[Baofeng]

^^, Not just Crawford, but elite boxers wanted to have at least 2 fights a year. Canelo even said that he can fight 3x a year. And Crawford knows that if he is not that active and suddenly he will have a fight with Spence, then it will take more time for him to train and be back in form 100%. So it's good to fight again, a cherry pick if you will so that he will be active and there will be no ring rust for his next fight after David, (and maybe him and Spence will be dancing in 2023).

[freedomgo]

I'm just wondering what if Crawford got defeated do Spence will take the call challenging Avanesyan right away.

If the goal is to be unified all the Welterweight belts, then I think that would be the case if Crawford got defeated against Avanesyan on his title defense in December. There would even be no need for Spence to call out Avanesyan as I'm sure the latter will do it instead as that was a big break in his career.

Well then, since this fight now failed to materialize I think further discussion about this match is pointless for now.

Let's hope that next year, the much-awaited fight for long will now turn into reality.

I'm even surprised that this discussion is still open and isn't locked temporarily because it's already official that this undisputed fight won't happen this year, maybe soon, we don't really know. Also, if this David Avanesyan will win the fight, it will be a big break for him and he will be famous more than what Bivol experienced when he defeated Canelo.

He will be so proud to himself as being the first one to crack Terence Crawford and putting him as one of his trophies in his record. If that happens then I bet Spence will have a hard time too, right? There's no way Crawford will get defeated while Spence will have an easy journey, that is just totally impossible.

[stadus]

^^, Not just Crawford, but elite boxers wanted to have at least 2 fights a year. Canelo even said that he can fight 3x a year. And Crawford knows that if he is not that active and suddenly he will have a fight with Spence, then it will take more time for him to train and be back in form 100%. So it's good to fight again, a cherry pick if you will so that he will be active and there will be no ring rust for his next fight after David, (and maybe him and Spence will be dancing in 2023).

True, I know that Crawford just wanted to dance with Spence this year that is why he patiently waited so long just to wait the latter finish his fight against Ugas but eventually, Crawford was left hanging because Spence doesn't want it yet. And that's still a good chance for Crawford to have his own preparation while waiting for their fight, this David Avanesyan might be the perfect opponent to groom Crawford and to do some tune-up before facing a much stronger fighter.

[inthelongrun]

Crawford is really in an odd situation if he remains a free agent. He is not Canelo that can easily jump to any promoters and networks but still dictates everything in the deal. If he fights the WBO number 1 contender, the undefeated banger Vergil Ortiz Jr., it will be promoted by Golden Boy and DAZN will televise it. Highly risky for Bud with no legacy returns except money. Ortiz is a superstar in the making. Huge fanbase and is a very charismatic guy. I believe Crawford-Ortiz will beat all of Spence's previous PPV buys. But Crawford can also move up to 154 and hunt for his 4th division title but he seriously needs a promoter to depend on.  

I'm also thinking the same way, I also thought that a unification fight between Crawford and Spence is the next thing to happen when Bud haven't re-sign with Bob Arum. We all know that Arum is not inclined in these situation but without him, Crawford's alone and nothing to lean on in these times, also his situation has gotten worse because Spence's camp is playing on him. He badly needed a promoter and Mayweather is there ready to accept Bud under his banner to help him in the business side. I hope he will seek help to make this happen because he is getting older.

Aside from that, I think it's much better for him to fight Charlo in 154 pounds rather than risking his career for getting nothing while fighting the #1 contender, Ortiz.

Yeah, Mayweather really wants to sign Bud. The problem with Mayweather Promotions nowadays is it is just becoming one of the dummy promotions for PBC who's hiding under a managerial license. Mayweather is not the same guy anymore that wanted his promotion to become big like De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions. And we also do not know how much Bud trusts Mayweather knowing the guy is a very close friend to Spence's team like Ellerbe his former manager and Al Haymon the owner of PBC.

Jermell Charlo the undisputed champ of 154 is from PBC too and he already said that he won't give Bud a shot at his undisputed belts. Charlo a very close friend of Spence wants Bud to work his way up to the rankings and earn his shot. So Bud can either get a tune-up at 154 or request the WBO to give him a shot at the WBO 154 belt which Charlo can vacate if it's still reluctant. It seems like these boys of PBC are trying to stop Bud from becoming the first-ever undisputed champion in 2 (Spence at 147) or 3 (Charlo at 154) divisions in this 4 belt era.

Money-wise DAZN has the deepest pocket in boxing right now. They got the biggest money-makers in boxing Canelo, AJ, Usyk, and potential future superstars Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia. Bud can sign with them but it might also mean no more Spence and Charlo.

Really? I didn't know that Crawford's situation is much deeper than what I've thought. That's indeed too bad because all his years are wasted being under Bob Arum's management because Bob didn't let Bud build his legacy. Now, he is being rejected to have a shot in an undisputed fight both in welter and super welter. But I don't understand, why is it a bad idea if Bud sign under DAZN? Enlighten me mate.

To be fair, Bob Arum did his job well. Legacy-wise, Crawford's credentials are also assured in the Hall of Fame once he retires, unlike Spence who needs to work more on his career if he wants to be remembered and enters the Hall of Fame. Good friends Spence and Charlo avoiding Crawford is more of a personal and political issue.

If Crawford signs with DAZN, the network might not allow Showtime or Fox to solo-televise a possible Crawford-Spence or Crawford-Charlo. DAZN will want a joint network deal which is normal when 2 superstars collide like Pacman-Mayweather televised via HBO and Showtime. Last year, PBC's undefeated WBC middleweight champion Jermall Charlo (Jermell's twin) and undefeated former champion Jaime Mungia of Golden Boy Promotions failed to materialize because PBC do not want a joint promotion deal. PBC wanted to solo promote the event and a rematch clause if Charlo losses but they will let GBP solo promote the possible rematch. PBC is the hardest to work with when it comes to co-promotion fights. Thus Crawford signing with DAZN might mean goodbye to Errol Spence and Jermell Charlo fights.

But personally, if I were Crawford, I will talk to Matchroom and signs a deal if possible.

[freedomgo]

Crawford is really in an odd situation if he remains a free agent. He is not Canelo that can easily jump to any promoters and networks but still dictates everything in the deal. If he fights the WBO number 1 contender, the undefeated banger Vergil Ortiz Jr., it will be promoted by Golden Boy and DAZN will televise it. Highly risky for Bud with no legacy returns except money. Ortiz is a superstar in the making. Huge fanbase and is a very charismatic guy. I believe Crawford-Ortiz will beat all of Spence's previous PPV buys. But Crawford can also move up to 154 and hunt for his 4th division title but he seriously needs a promoter to depend on.  

I'm also thinking the same way, I also thought that a unification fight between Crawford and Spence is the next thing to happen when Bud haven't re-sign with Bob Arum. We all know that Arum is not inclined in these situation but without him, Crawford's alone and nothing to lean on in these times, also his situation has gotten worse because Spence's camp is playing on him. He badly needed a promoter and Mayweather is there ready to accept Bud under his banner to help him in the business side. I hope he will seek help to make this happen because he is getting older.

Aside from that, I think it's much better for him to fight Charlo in 154 pounds rather than risking his career for getting nothing while fighting the #1 contender, Ortiz.

Yeah, Mayweather really wants to sign Bud. The problem with Mayweather Promotions nowadays is it is just becoming one of the dummy promotions for PBC who's hiding under a managerial license. Mayweather is not the same guy anymore that wanted his promotion to become big like De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions. And we also do not know how much Bud trusts Mayweather knowing the guy is a very close friend to Spence's team like Ellerbe his former manager and Al Haymon the owner of PBC.

Jermell Charlo the undisputed champ of 154 is from PBC too and he already said that he won't give Bud a shot at his undisputed belts. Charlo a very close friend of Spence wants Bud to work his way up to the rankings and earn his shot. So Bud can either get a tune-up at 154 or request the WBO to give him a shot at the WBO 154 belt which Charlo can vacate if it's still reluctant. It seems like these boys of PBC are trying to stop Bud from becoming the first-ever undisputed champion in 2 (Spence at 147) or 3 (Charlo at 154) divisions in this 4 belt era.

Money-wise DAZN has the deepest pocket in boxing right now. They got the biggest money-makers in boxing Canelo, AJ, Usyk, and potential future superstars Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia. Bud can sign with them but it might also mean no more Spence and Charlo.

Really? I didn't know that Crawford's situation is much deeper than what I've thought. That's indeed too bad because all his years are wasted being under Bob Arum's management because Bob didn't let Bud build his legacy. Now, he is being rejected to have a shot in an undisputed fight both in welter and super welter. But I don't understand, why is it a bad idea if Bud sign under DAZN? Enlighten me mate.

To be fair, Bob Arum did his job well. Legacy-wise, Crawford's credentials are also assured in the Hall of Fame once he retires, unlike Spence who needs to work more on his career if he wants to be remembered and enters the Hall of Fame. Good friends Spence and Charlo avoiding Crawford is more of a personal and political issue.

If Crawford signs with DAZN, the network might not allow Showtime or Fox to solo-televise a possible Crawford-Spence or Crawford-Charlo. DAZN will want a joint network deal which is normal when 2 superstars collide like Pacman-Mayweather televised via HBO and Showtime. Last year, PBC's undefeated WBC middleweight champion Jermall Charlo (Jermell's twin) and undefeated former champion Jaime Mungia of Golden Boy Promotions failed to materialize because PBC do not want a joint promotion deal. PBC wanted to solo promote the event and a rematch clause if Charlo losses but they will let GBP solo promote the possible rematch. PBC is the hardest to work with when it comes to co-promotion fights. Thus Crawford signing with DAZN might mean goodbye to Errol Spence and Jermell Charlo fights.

But personally, if I were Crawford, I will talk to Matchroom and signs a deal if possible.

Legacy-wise if we are talking about Crawford's sure seat in the Hall of Fame but for the literal legacy, Crawford doesn't have that yet because one boxers dream is to be an undisputed boxer in their most comfortable division, that is why Crawford wanted to try a shot in welter and super-welter but Spence and Charlo doesn't want him to have his chance.

And if Crawford will sign to Eddie Hearn's Matchroom Boxing then he should at least let Hearn do the talking first because we don't know, Hearn can find some way. But if the PBC wanted a solo television then Hearn and Crawford should agree with it because they had the right to demand as they are in the A-side.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Manny Pacquiao was asked if he’d be interested in fighting the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford winner and his response was "why not if that's possible?".

To make that happen though, he needs to come out from retirement.

not this month, but recent article says it may happen nov 12 or 19. though we all know that it won't happen if both camps didn't reach to their agreements.

The recent articles about the progress of this fight are leading to a failure of the negotiations.

You can refer to what I posted here last week.

Well this thing about Crawford is a shame, because of all the boxers I've seen who most want to fight, apart from Kambosos, it's Crawford, he may have a lot to prove, but here what matters is that they do a good job with the sponsors, if there is not enough money it is very difficult for this fight to take place, I think it is no longer in the hands of the boxers but in the years of the publicists and those who make an analysis of how much the income will be, for me all this is based on it On the other hand, it would be excellent if Pacquiao could return to these fights, it doesn't matter, that he fights against him, for me the best thing is that this boxer does it again.

^^, Not just Crawford, but elite boxers wanted to have at least 2 fights a year. Canelo even said that he can fight 3x a year. And Crawford knows that if he is not that active and suddenly he will have a fight with Spence, then it will take more time for him to train and be back in form 100%. So it's good to fight again, a cherry pick if you will so that he will be active and there will be no ring rust for his next fight after David, (and maybe him and Spence will be dancing in 2023).

Good, but I think that if a boxer has 3 fights during the year and if he can win all of them, his reputation and fame will increase, without a doubt it is something that can make a difference with respect to others, if we think about a boxer who If he has 3 wins, he is likely to go looking for titles, something like what Bivol is or wants to do, he does not want simple rematches, just as Caanelo is asking him, he wants to level up, he does not want to fall into things like that, He wants to advance and in part he is doing it well, although he can earn a lot of money with the rematch, he knows that with higher level boxers he can even earn twice as much.

I'm just wondering what if Crawford got defeated do Spence will take the call challenging Avanesyan right away.

If the goal is to be unified all the Welterweight belts, then I think that would be the case if Crawford got defeated against Avanesyan on his title defense in December. There would even be no need for Spence to call out Avanesyan as I'm sure the latter will do it instead as that was a big break in his career.

Well then, since this fight now failed to materialize I think further discussion about this match is pointless for now.

Let's hope that next year, the much-awaited fight for long will now turn into reality.

I'm even surprised that this discussion is still open and isn't locked temporarily because it's already official that this undisputed fight won't happen this year, maybe soon, we don't really know. Also, if this David Avanesyan will win the fight, it will be a big break for him and he will be famous more than what Bivol experienced when he defeated Canelo.

He will be so proud to himself as being the first one to crack Terence Crawford and putting him as one of his trophies in his record. If that happens then I bet Spence will have a hard time too, right? There's no way Crawford will get defeated while Spence will have an easy journey, that is just totally impossible.

Well, maybe the fight did not materialize, but it is known that Crawford is in other things, he looked for a job with a boxing bull, he is a boxer who is applying intelligence in everything and can get many victories, if for now they did not happen things with Spence will happen at some other time, what matters is that Crawford can, for me what Crawford is looking for is that Spence himself asks him to want to do that rematch, and he is the one who has to think about it, I don't know, but this type of boxer thinks like that and it is probable that he will and from now on he will have things in his hands and he will be able to give his answer when he wants it.


Here is something relevant:

Bomac: "Spence Is Something Special, I Know How Much Bud Wants To Fight Him, Conquer 147

Although most of the boxing world continues to call for a showdown between Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford, Brian “Bomac” McIntrye, Crawford's longtime trainer, refuses to get caught up in the ongoing drama.

For the better part of the past five years, both fighters have been regarded as the best of the best in the welterweight division. With Spence (28-0, 22 KOs) adding a third 147-pound title to his collection, courtesy of a 10th round stoppage win over Yordenis Ugas earlier this year, the Dallas native issued a stern call-out to Crawford.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/bomac-spence-something-special-i-know-how-much-bud-wants-fight-him-conquer-147--169986

 I like this, because as I said before, no player should be much more than the club, this is something that Florentino Pérez makes known, because this club has always been one of the best all its life, yes , the best, for me at this point I hope that Real Madrid does not want him, because they already despised, and it is very difficult to say No to Real Madrid, and Mbappé said it, so I think the opportunity has passed, for me these things they go to another plane, besides that as he has acted it looks very bad, it is seen that he is very egocentric and they do not have any camaraderie, I bet he must be alone, and Messi with Neymar must be twinned.

[Baofeng]

Crawford is really in an odd situation if he remains a free agent. He is not Canelo that can easily jump to any promoters and networks but still dictates everything in the deal. If he fights the WBO number 1 contender, the undefeated banger Vergil Ortiz Jr., it will be promoted by Golden Boy and DAZN will televise it. Highly risky for Bud with no legacy returns except money. Ortiz is a superstar in the making. Huge fanbase and is a very charismatic guy. I believe Crawford-Ortiz will beat all of Spence's previous PPV buys. But Crawford can also move up to 154 and hunt for his 4th division title but he seriously needs a promoter to depend on.  

I'm also thinking the same way, I also thought that a unification fight between Crawford and Spence is the next thing to happen when Bud haven't re-sign with Bob Arum. We all know that Arum is not inclined in these situation but without him, Crawford's alone and nothing to lean on in these times, also his situation has gotten worse because Spence's camp is playing on him. He badly needed a promoter and Mayweather is there ready to accept Bud under his banner to help him in the business side. I hope he will seek help to make this happen because he is getting older.

Aside from that, I think it's much better for him to fight Charlo in 154 pounds rather than risking his career for getting nothing while fighting the #1 contender, Ortiz.

Yeah, Mayweather really wants to sign Bud. The problem with Mayweather Promotions nowadays is it is just becoming one of the dummy promotions for PBC who's hiding under a managerial license. Mayweather is not the same guy anymore that wanted his promotion to become big like De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions. And we also do not know how much Bud trusts Mayweather knowing the guy is a very close friend to Spence's team like Ellerbe his former manager and Al Haymon the owner of PBC.

Jermell Charlo the undisputed champ of 154 is from PBC too and he already said that he won't give Bud a shot at his undisputed belts. Charlo a very close friend of Spence wants Bud to work his way up to the rankings and earn his shot. So Bud can either get a tune-up at 154 or request the WBO to give him a shot at the WBO 154 belt which Charlo can vacate if it's still reluctant. It seems like these boys of PBC are trying to stop Bud from becoming the first-ever undisputed champion in 2 (Spence at 147) or 3 (Charlo at 154) divisions in this 4 belt era.

Money-wise DAZN has the deepest pocket in boxing right now. They got the biggest money-makers in boxing Canelo, AJ, Usyk, and potential future superstars Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia. Bud can sign with them but it might also mean no more Spence and Charlo.

Really? I didn't know that Crawford's situation is much deeper than what I've thought. That's indeed too bad because all his years are wasted being under Bob Arum's management because Bob didn't let Bud build his legacy. Now, he is being rejected to have a shot in an undisputed fight both in welter and super welter. But I don't understand, why is it a bad idea if Bud sign under DAZN? Enlighten me mate.

To be fair, Bob Arum did his job well. Legacy-wise, Crawford's credentials are also assured in the Hall of Fame once he retires, unlike Spence who needs to work more on his career if he wants to be remembered and enters the Hall of Fame. Good friends Spence and Charlo avoiding Crawford is more of a personal and political issue.

If Crawford signs with DAZN, the network might not allow Showtime or Fox to solo-televise a possible Crawford-Spence or Crawford-Charlo. DAZN will want a joint network deal which is normal when 2 superstars collide like Pacman-Mayweather televised via HBO and Showtime. Last year, PBC's undefeated WBC middleweight champion Jermall Charlo (Jermell's twin) and undefeated former champion Jaime Mungia of Golden Boy Promotions failed to materialize because PBC do not want a joint promotion deal. PBC wanted to solo promote the event and a rematch clause if Charlo losses but they will let GBP solo promote the possible rematch. PBC is the hardest to work with when it comes to co-promotion fights. Thus Crawford signing with DAZN might mean goodbye to Errol Spence and Jermell Charlo fights.

But personally, if I were Crawford, I will talk to Matchroom and signs a deal if possible.

Yeah, I think if ever Crawford will want to sign a promotional contract, it might be better with Matchroom. I think with Eddie Hearn, who knows, maybe he can get a good deal and push the fight for him against Spence.

Legacy wise, it might be better if we will see this fight going to happen next year. But if not, the longer the delay, the more Crawford will be at a disadvantage here and I will say that we might not see this fight anymore.

And I think if this fight is going to be made, there could be someone in between to be a  mediator. And it could be Eddie Hearn with his influence right now.

[agustina2]

In other words, even how big the name of Terence Crawford is, to be involved in big fights he really needs to be involved in those promotional parties that are specialized in that line of business. He might be sick with Bob Arum for personal reasons but being totally free from any promoters would really hurt the business side of his career as in today's boxing, legacy is not only the target of the boxer but also their worth value.

Who knows also that these influential promoters secretly worked out to stop any good advance of those who left on their premises.

Is there a rumor about that why this fight didn't successfully execute this year?

[harizen]

Lots of reasons but I'm more interested in this story:

"Contract talks were agreed upon by Spence’s camp, yet Crawford had issues with the deal. Crawford wanted a fully guaranteed deal and approval on expenses related to the fight. It’s unheard of for a fighter to ask for approval for expenses because that’s normally the promoter’s responsibility.

As much as others believed that Spence is trying to avoid Crawford, for me, that was all just a hate comment towards Spence as even Crawford itself didn't mention that Spence is avoiding why the fight failed.

And the funny thing is, BLK Prime, the one that announced the fight between Crawford and Avanesyan in December isn't ringing a bell for some boxing enthusiasts.

Even Spence said in the interview that he doesn't know who Avanesyan is lol.

Why are DeSoto’s Errol Spence Jr., Terence Crawford not fighting? It’s boxing

[Hypnosis00]

Is there a rumor about that why this fight didn't successfully execute this year?

The rumors are senseless, both camps are just blaming each other and we don't know who is telling the truth. What we like to see is this fight going to happen this year but until now there's no positive news, so let us stop expecting it's gonna happen this year or even next year as most likely one of them will move up in weight.

[stadus]

Crawford is really in an odd situation if he remains a free agent. He is not Canelo that can easily jump to any promoters and networks but still dictates everything in the deal. If he fights the WBO number 1 contender, the undefeated banger Vergil Ortiz Jr., it will be promoted by Golden Boy and DAZN will televise it. Highly risky for Bud with no legacy returns except money. Ortiz is a superstar in the making. Huge fanbase and is a very charismatic guy. I believe Crawford-Ortiz will beat all of Spence's previous PPV buys. But Crawford can also move up to 154 and hunt for his 4th division title but he seriously needs a promoter to depend on.  

I'm also thinking the same way, I also thought that a unification fight between Crawford and Spence is the next thing to happen when Bud haven't re-sign with Bob Arum. We all know that Arum is not inclined in these situation but without him, Crawford's alone and nothing to lean on in these times, also his situation has gotten worse because Spence's camp is playing on him. He badly needed a promoter and Mayweather is there ready to accept Bud under his banner to help him in the business side. I hope he will seek help to make this happen because he is getting older.

Aside from that, I think it's much better for him to fight Charlo in 154 pounds rather than risking his career for getting nothing while fighting the #1 contender, Ortiz.

Yeah, Mayweather really wants to sign Bud. The problem with Mayweather Promotions nowadays is it is just becoming one of the dummy promotions for PBC who's hiding under a managerial license. Mayweather is not the same guy anymore that wanted his promotion to become big like De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions. And we also do not know how much Bud trusts Mayweather knowing the guy is a very close friend to Spence's team like Ellerbe his former manager and Al Haymon the owner of PBC.

Jermell Charlo the undisputed champ of 154 is from PBC too and he already said that he won't give Bud a shot at his undisputed belts. Charlo a very close friend of Spence wants Bud to work his way up to the rankings and earn his shot. So Bud can either get a tune-up at 154 or request the WBO to give him a shot at the WBO 154 belt which Charlo can vacate if it's still reluctant. It seems like these boys of PBC are trying to stop Bud from becoming the first-ever undisputed champion in 2 (Spence at 147) or 3 (Charlo at 154) divisions in this 4 belt era.

Money-wise DAZN has the deepest pocket in boxing right now. They got the biggest money-makers in boxing Canelo, AJ, Usyk, and potential future superstars Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia. Bud can sign with them but it might also mean no more Spence and Charlo.

Really? I didn't know that Crawford's situation is much deeper than what I've thought. That's indeed too bad because all his years are wasted being under Bob Arum's management because Bob didn't let Bud build his legacy. Now, he is being rejected to have a shot in an undisputed fight both in welter and super welter. But I don't understand, why is it a bad idea if Bud sign under DAZN? Enlighten me mate.

To be fair, Bob Arum did his job well. Legacy-wise, Crawford's credentials are also assured in the Hall of Fame once he retires, unlike Spence who needs to work more on his career if he wants to be remembered and enters the Hall of Fame. Good friends Spence and Charlo avoiding Crawford is more of a personal and political issue.

If Crawford signs with DAZN, the network might not allow Showtime or Fox to solo-televise a possible Crawford-Spence or Crawford-Charlo. DAZN will want a joint network deal which is normal when 2 superstars collide like Pacman-Mayweather televised via HBO and Showtime. Last year, PBC's undefeated WBC middleweight champion Jermall Charlo (Jermell's twin) and undefeated former champion Jaime Mungia of Golden Boy Promotions failed to materialize because PBC do not want a joint promotion deal. PBC wanted to solo promote the event and a rematch clause if Charlo losses but they will let GBP solo promote the possible rematch. PBC is the hardest to work with when it comes to co-promotion fights. Thus Crawford signing with DAZN might mean goodbye to Errol Spence and Jermell Charlo fights.

But personally, if I were Crawford, I will talk to Matchroom and signs a deal if possible.

Yeah, I think if ever Crawford will want to sign a promotional contract, it might be better with Matchroom. I think with Eddie Hearn, who knows, maybe he can get a good deal and push the fight for him against Spence.

Legacy wise, it might be better if we will see this fight going to happen next year. But if not, the longer the delay, the more Crawford will be at a disadvantage here and I will say that we might not see this fight anymore.

And I think if this fight is going to be made, there could be someone in between to be a  mediator. And it could be Eddie Hearn with his influence right now.

Eddie Hearn would be the most suitable person for that, and he is exactly what Crawford needed because I certainly think that he can't really manage to do it all alone especially about business. By now, I know that Crawford already know what to do next when they will have an open discussion again because he wasted months in that same discussion, but nothing had materialized.

He should act fast about it because time is not on his side and I agree on what you've said, if the fight won't happen in 2023 then Crawford will be playing at the disadvantageous side. I know he doesn't want that though.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Source: https://www.benchwarmers.ie/pacquiao-wants-spence-crawford-winner/254920/

Big news is what Pacquiao generates. I hope he cheers up and we see him again.

No please no I'm a big Pacquiao fan and I like to see him age well he has a lot of things to do for his fellow citizen and he should enjoy his retirement, he is past his prime, this is not WWE wrestling where even a 70 years old Ric Flair can come back and be competitive and win, his time is up in boxing we have seen that. the speed and power are not there anymore, I am ok with him doing exhibitions but fighting for a world title against the top boxers in the world is just too much for Pacquiao to handle, everyone has his time in boxing I don't want him to go out like Mike Tyson.

Well, you're right about that, what happens is that sport always keeps people young and makes them live longer, maybe Tyson's inactivity has made him like that with all those ailments, the sciatic nerve is one of the strongest ailments that exist, I've never had it, but my wife does suffer from it and there are times when she can't even get out of bed and the pain grips her entire leg, now I can imagine what Tyson must feel since they are athletes who always They have worked with much more effort and with more weight, these things are what make a boxer stronger, and the fact of being in good health at an older age is already a great luxury.

Is there a rumor about that why this fight didn't successfully execute this year?

The rumors are senseless, both camps are just blaming each other and we don't know who is telling the truth. What we like to see is this fight going to happen this year but until now there's no positive news, so let us stop expecting it's gonna happen this year or even next year as most likely one of them will move up in weight.

I think that here what there was was a lack of interest on the part of Spence, Spence almost did not think this fight while Crawford did, it was very important to him, for this reason I think Crawford made the decision to fight not against him but with another opponent, the idea is that he get a little more fame so that he can have the best attention from the great boxers and for the next one it will be Spence himself who looks for the fight and not him, it is already something very different if this happens, at least I see it that way, and the strategy that Crawford is using is very good, I think he has to do it that way so that he can be more successful in his next rematches.

Crawford is really in an odd situation if he remains a free agent. He is not Canelo that can easily jump to any promoters and networks but still dictates everything in the deal. If he fights the WBO number 1 contender, the undefeated banger Vergil Ortiz Jr., it will be promoted by Golden Boy and DAZN will televise it. Highly risky for Bud with no legacy returns except money. Ortiz is a superstar in the making. Huge fanbase and is a very charismatic guy. I believe Crawford-Ortiz will beat all of Spence's previous PPV buys. But Crawford can also move up to 154 and hunt for his 4th division title but he seriously needs a promoter to depend on.   

I'm also thinking the same way, I also thought that a unification fight between Crawford and Spence is the next thing to happen when Bud haven't re-sign with Bob Arum. We all know that Arum is not inclined in these situation but without him, Crawford's alone and nothing to lean on in these times, also his situation has gotten worse because Spence's camp is playing on him. He badly needed a promoter and Mayweather is there ready to accept Bud under his banner to help him in the business side. I hope he will seek help to make this happen because he is getting older.

Aside from that, I think it's much better for him to fight Charlo in 154 pounds rather than risking his career for getting nothing while fighting the #1 contender, Ortiz.

Yeah, Mayweather really wants to sign Bud. The problem with Mayweather Promotions nowadays is it is just becoming one of the dummy promotions for PBC who's hiding under a managerial license. Mayweather is not the same guy anymore that wanted his promotion to become big like De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions. And we also do not know how much Bud trusts Mayweather knowing the guy is a very close friend to Spence's team like Ellerbe his former manager and Al Haymon the owner of PBC.

Jermell Charlo the undisputed champ of 154 is from PBC too and he already said that he won't give Bud a shot at his undisputed belts. Charlo a very close friend of Spence wants Bud to work his way up to the rankings and earn his shot. So Bud can either get a tune-up at 154 or request the WBO to give him a shot at the WBO 154 belt which Charlo can vacate if it's still reluctant. It seems like these boys of PBC are trying to stop Bud from becoming the first-ever undisputed champion in 2 (Spence at 147) or 3 (Charlo at 154) divisions in this 4 belt era.

Money-wise DAZN has the deepest pocket in boxing right now. They got the biggest money-makers in boxing Canelo, AJ, Usyk, and potential future superstars Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia. Bud can sign with them but it might also mean no more Spence and Charlo.

Really? I didn't know that Crawford's situation is much deeper than what I've thought. That's indeed too bad because all his years are wasted being under Bob Arum's management because Bob didn't let Bud build his legacy. Now, he is being rejected to have a shot in an undisputed fight both in welter and super welter. But I don't understand, why is it a bad idea if Bud sign under DAZN? Enlighten me mate.

To be fair, Bob Arum did his job well. Legacy-wise, Crawford's credentials are also assured in the Hall of Fame once he retires, unlike Spence who needs to work more on his career if he wants to be remembered and enters the Hall of Fame. Good friends Spence and Charlo avoiding Crawford is more of a personal and political issue.

If Crawford signs with DAZN, the network might not allow Showtime or Fox to solo-televise a possible Crawford-Spence or Crawford-Charlo. DAZN will want a joint network deal which is normal when 2 superstars collide like Pacman-Mayweather televised via HBO and Showtime. Last year, PBC's undefeated WBC middleweight champion Jermall Charlo (Jermell's twin) and undefeated former champion Jaime Mungia of Golden Boy Promotions failed to materialize because PBC do not want a joint promotion deal. PBC wanted to solo promote the event and a rematch clause if Charlo losses but they will let GBP solo promote the possible rematch. PBC is the hardest to work with when it comes to co-promotion fights. Thus Crawford signing with DAZN might mean goodbye to Errol Spence and Jermell Charlo fights.

But personally, if I were Crawford, I will talk to Matchroom and signs a deal if possible.

Yeah, I think if ever Crawford will want to sign a promotional contract, it might be better with Matchroom. I think with Eddie Hearn, who knows, maybe he can get a good deal and push the fight for him against Spence.

Legacy wise, it might be better if we will see this fight going to happen next year. But if not, the longer the delay, the more Crawford will be at a disadvantage here and I will say that we might not see this fight anymore.

And I think if this fight is going to be made, there could be someone in between to be a  mediator. And it could be Eddie Hearn with his influence right now.

Eddie Hearn would be the most suitable person for that, and he is exactly what Crawford needed because I certainly think that he can't really manage to do it all alone especially about business. By now, I know that Crawford already know what to do next when they will have an open discussion again because he wasted months in that same discussion, but nothing had materialized.

He should act fast about it because time is not on his side and I agree on what you've said, if the fight won't happen in 2023 then Crawford will be playing at the disadvantageous side. I know he doesn't want that though.

In spite of everything Crawford is somewhat astute, he is a boxer who knows what he has and how he can do things in the fight, if he himself understands that to achieve a victory he needs a lot of work and effort, his training must be very intense and cash, maybe he has already been training and needs to get the benefits of it, I think that seeing that a fight with Spence is not possible, which could send him to fame or end up burying him, he is playing it with these fights he wants for him, it doesn't matter if it's for 2023, the idea is that he can build victories, it's the only way that Spence can be interested.