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October 19, 2023, 11:29:12 AM |
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--- If Italy had got a point against England they wouldn't have needed so much reckoning but they lost a point against England which is why they have so much to worry about. Italy's next match is against North Macedonia where Italy are very likely to get full points. If Italy can get full points against North Macedonia then their points and Ukraine's points will be equal and Ukraine and Italy will fight next match with equal points which will be a tough fight for these two teams. Before thinking about how Italy will perform against Ukraine, Italy need to plan their next match because if they lose points in the next match, the match against Ukraine will be very difficult for them. Italy is one of the favorites against Ukraine but the problem is that it is difficult for the big teams to perform at their best when the pressure is on.
Italy needs to win the two remaining games to secure their spot. Otherwise, missing out on consecutive major tournaments is a real risk for them. It's tough to perform under pressure. If they win the next match, the deciding game will be against Ukraine, and Ukraine would also be determined to win for their qualification. Beating Ukraine won't be easy. But what if North Macedonia causes them problems? Let's positive Italy might qualify; it's challenging but not impossible.
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October 19, 2023, 12:36:06 PM |
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--- If Italy had got a point against England they wouldn't have needed so much reckoning but they lost a point against England which is why they have so much to worry about. Italy's next match is against North Macedonia where Italy are very likely to get full points. If Italy can get full points against North Macedonia then their points and Ukraine's points will be equal and Ukraine and Italy will fight next match with equal points which will be a tough fight for these two teams. Before thinking about how Italy will perform against Ukraine, Italy need to plan their next match because if they lose points in the next match, the match against Ukraine will be very difficult for them. Italy is one of the favorites against Ukraine but the problem is that it is difficult for the big teams to perform at their best when the pressure is on.
Italy needs to win the two remaining games to secure their spot. Otherwise, missing out on consecutive major tournaments is a real risk for them. It's tough to perform under pressure. If they win the next match, the deciding game will be against Ukraine, and Ukraine would also be determined to win for their qualification. Beating Ukraine won't be easy. But what if North Macedonia causes them problems? Let's positive Italy might qualify; it's challenging but not impossible. Perhaps Italy missed out on the 2018 World Cup, despite having won the World Cup four times. It is truly incongruous when a four-time World Cup winning team fails to qualify for the main stage of the World Cup. Italy are far from the number of matches needed to qualify for the main stage of UEFA Euro 2024 or the points they need to earn. They have made the equation so difficult that the next two matches must earn them full points. When a team's equation is to score full points, that team is under pressure. The match against Ukraine will definitely be much more difficult for Italy as Ukraine will qualify for the main stage without losing a point and they will definitely try to play defensively which will make it very difficult for Italy to win against Ukraine. They must plan for the second match before they plan for the first match so that they don't make any mistakes in the first match.
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October 19, 2023, 01:14:54 PM |
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Current standings Group C of UEFA EURO Qualifier, seems Italy on not comfortable position after defeating by England last night make their chance for qualifying to EURO 2024 most difficult. Left three points from Ukraine on second standings position but Italy have more one match left still not close chance to lead EURO 2024 if can winning all two matches left. England have been success qualify to EURO 2024 after dramatic winning from Italy and become their revenge after losing on EURO 2020 final stage. Ukraine has last opportunity to qualify EURO 2024 if last match against Italy can get win, its become final match for both teams if want qualify to EURO 2024 in Germany. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2023%2F10%2F18%2FR9LI2.png&t=665&c=Z-yQ5etSNTBVSw) Italy does not have to win two games, they only need to equal the number of points with Ukraine to be ahead - according to the regulations, if the teams have an equal number of points, then the team with the best result in head-to-head matches has priority. Therefore, their task looks quite achievable, but Ukraine has only one option - they need to defeat Italy away. The situation in Group C is very interesting. Ukraine is second in Group C and has 13 points. Italy is three points behind Ukraine and occupies the third position. But the Italians have one extra game in reserve. If the Italians win their "reserve" game against North Macedonia, then in the last round we will see a super match between Ukraine and Italy. It will be a battle for a ticket to Euro-24.
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October 19, 2023, 03:38:50 PM |
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I guess this is as close as Ukraine was hoping for to get to qualificiation for the Euro 2024. When they saw that the drawing was holding England and Italy for them, I think they did not expect to have a decisive game at the end of the qualification to actually kick one of those teams out and instead go themselves. I am sure that this game will be a hell of a challenge for Italy as I guess everybody has an idea of the fight that Ukraine will give Italy in that game. For Italy it would be massively disappointing to miss the Euro and I think they will show some nervousness.
England boss, Gareth Southgate have made an outstanding de ions, his strict disciplinary measures ought to be followed. England is at the top and will remain so since there doesn't exist any functionality opposition capable of holding them back. England and Ukraine appear to be viable candidates for a position in Euro Group C competition. England is comfortably in the forefront, with Ukraine in second. Italy was expected to be in that spot, but they blew their chance, and they will pay the price for their poor performance against their opponents. Southgate has had some hard times as well, that shouldn't be forgotten. But when you now look at the players he has available, I think it wouldn't be wrong to talk about a lucky era. I think this statistic says it all and it goes back to the World Cup in Qatar and I guess it didn't consider Bellingham at his true value. England was the most expensive squad at the World Cup with a combined 1.5 billion euros. It is quite striking that they are worth about 12% more than the French squad. Southgate can call himself lucky and now it is time for them to win something in the next few years.
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October 19, 2023, 03:53:51 PM |
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I guess this is as close as Ukraine was hoping for to get to qualificiation for the Euro 2024. When they saw that the drawing was holding England and Italy for them, I think they did not expect to have a decisive game at the end of the qualification to actually kick one of those teams out and instead go themselves. I am sure that this game will be a hell of a challenge for Italy as I guess everybody has an idea of the fight that Ukraine will give Italy in that game. For Italy it would be massively disappointing to miss the Euro and I think they will show some nervousness.
England boss, Gareth Southgate have made an outstanding de ions, his strict disciplinary measures ought to be followed. England is at the top and will remain so since there doesn't exist any functionality opposition capable of holding them back. England and Ukraine appear to be viable candidates for a position in Euro Group C competition. England is comfortably in the forefront, with Ukraine in second. Italy was expected to be in that spot, but they blew their chance, and they will pay the price for their poor performance against their opponents. Southgate has had some hard times as well, that shouldn't be forgotten. But when you now look at the players he has available, I think it wouldn't be wrong to talk about a lucky era. I think this statistic says it all and it goes back to the World Cup in Qatar and I guess it didn't consider Bellingham at his true value. England was the most expensive squad at the World Cup with a combined 1.5 billion euros. It is quite striking that they are worth about 12% more than the French squad. Southgate can call himself lucky and now it is time for them to win something in the next few years. Undoubtedly, the current England squad is one of the most talented squad the nation has ever had in history but that can only be accepted by England fans if they can win major honours for the national team. Gareth Southgate led the Three Lions to the final of European Championship three years ago but were beaten by eventual winners Italy and were beaten by France in the quarter finals of the FIFA World Cup last year. Gareth Southgate must know that it is time to start winning trophies with this supposed "golden generation". They've already qualified for Euro 2024 and hopefully, he's gonna start winning trophies with that particular tournament
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October 19, 2023, 04:12:58 PM |
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Current standings Group C of UEFA EURO Qualifier, seems Italy on not comfortable position after defeating by England last night make their chance for qualifying to EURO 2024 most difficult. Left three points from Ukraine on second standings position but Italy have more one match left still not close chance to lead EURO 2024 if can winning all two matches left. England have been success qualify to EURO 2024 after dramatic winning from Italy and become their revenge after losing on EURO 2020 final stage. Ukraine has last opportunity to qualify EURO 2024 if last match against Italy can get win, its become final match for both teams if want qualify to EURO 2024 in Germany. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2023%2F10%2F18%2FR9LI2.png&t=665&c=Z-yQ5etSNTBVSw) Italy does not have to win two games, they only need to equal the number of points with Ukraine to be ahead - according to the regulations, if the teams have an equal number of points, then the team with the best result in head-to-head matches has priority. Therefore, their task looks quite achievable, but Ukraine has only one option - they need to defeat Italy away. The situation in Group C is very interesting. Ukraine is second in Group C and has 13 points. Italy is three points behind Ukraine and occupies the third position. But the Italians have one extra game in reserve. If the Italians win their "reserve" game against North Macedonia, then in the last round we will see a super match between Ukraine and Italy. It will be a battle for a ticket to Euro-24. The group is really getting intrested for that second place. England secure the first place easily but Italy needs to win against Macedonia or else they will need a win in the last round against Ukraine. Italys advantage is that they have a better head two head against Ukraine and if they win against Macedonia they will only need a draw
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October 19, 2023, 04:44:55 PM |
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I guess this is as close as Ukraine was hoping for to get to qualificiation for the Euro 2024. When they saw that the drawing was holding England and Italy for them, I think they did not expect to have a decisive game at the end of the qualification to actually kick one of those teams out and instead go themselves. I am sure that this game will be a hell of a challenge for Italy as I guess everybody has an idea of the fight that Ukraine will give Italy in that game. For Italy it would be massively disappointing to miss the Euro and I think they will show some nervousness.
England boss, Gareth Southgate have made an outstanding de ions, his strict disciplinary measures ought to be followed. England is at the top and will remain so since there doesn't exist any functionality opposition capable of holding them back. England and Ukraine appear to be viable candidates for a position in Euro Group C competition. England is comfortably in the forefront, with Ukraine in second. Italy was expected to be in that spot, but they blew their chance, and they will pay the price for their poor performance against their opponents. Southgate has had some hard times as well, that shouldn't be forgotten. But when you now look at the players he has available, I think it wouldn't be wrong to talk about a lucky era. I think this statistic says it all and it goes back to the World Cup in Qatar and I guess it didn't consider Bellingham at his true value. England was the most expensive squad at the World Cup with a combined 1.5 billion euros. It is quite striking that they are worth about 12% more than the French squad. Southgate can call himself lucky and now it is time for them to win something in the next few years. Undoubtedly, the current England squad is one of the most talented squad the nation has ever had in history but that can only be accepted by England fans if they can win major honours for the national team. Gareth Southgate led the Three Lions to the final of European Championship three years ago but were beaten by eventual winners Italy and were beaten by France in the quarter finals of the FIFA World Cup last year. Gareth Southgate must know that it is time to start winning trophies with this supposed "golden generation". They've already qualified for Euro 2024 and hopefully, he's gonna start winning trophies with that particular tournament I don't like it when the title is the only award that counts although I know I just said it is time for them to win something. But I also know that the world works like this. It was the same about Messi and that some people said he can't be the GOAT when he doesn't win a World Cup. But winning these titles involves so many things and also luck. Just look how close the final was between Argentina and France and can one of those teams now really be deemed a bad team because they lost a final? But I think that it is time for England to finally play a final again. Winning it is obviously diifficult as the opponent will be a world class team themselves. They have what it takes now to win tournaments and I am excited to see them playing at the Euro.
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Italy does not have to win two games, they only need to equal the number of points with Ukraine to be ahead - according to the regulations, if the teams have an equal number of points, then the team with the best result in head-to-head matches has priority. Therefore, their task looks quite achievable, but Ukraine has only one option - they need to defeat Italy away.
The battle for who joins England to qualify from the Group C of the UEFA Euro 2024 qualifiers further became more interesting and competitive after Italy were convincingly beaten at the Wembley stadium yesterday by their England counterparts. Italy of course still have a very great chance of qualifying from the group but that can only happen when if they can beat Ukraine when the two countries meet for their qualifying game on 20th November. Any result apart from win in that game for Italy is likely to sink their hopes of qualifying through the group and will now have to wait for playoffs. I wanted to see the bookmakers' odds on who qualifies from this group, but for some reason the bookmakers haven't published them yet. I can assume that Italy’s chances will be estimated at about 1.60, the coefficient should not be less because in fact this is a multi-bet: Italy must defeat North Macedonia, which is inconvenient for them, and then not lose to Ukraine. The task is not very difficult, but Italy looks unconvincing in recent games.
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I wanted to see the bookmakers' odds on who qualifies from this group, but for some reason the bookmakers haven't published them yet. I can assume that Italy’s chances will be estimated at about 1.60, the coefficient should not be less because in fact this is a multi-bet: Italy must defeat North Macedonia, which is inconvenient for them, and then not lose to Ukraine. The task is not very difficult, but Italy looks unconvincing in recent games.
I can agree with you on the point that Italy haven't been showing a very impressive performance. Even in the match which they won by 4-0 against Malta their performance didn't convince me. Because they were quite bad at taking advantage of most of their goal chances. There were only a few effective shots which ended up with goals. I don't even want to say much about the match against England because they were really bad at defending. Considering that North Macedonia gave them an upset before as well one can have doubts about Italy's qualifying chance. But I still want to give Italy a chance over Ukraine when it comes to making it to Euro 2024. Winning against North Macedonia will make things much more comfortable.
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I wanted to see the bookmakers' odds on who qualifies from this group, but for some reason the bookmakers haven't published them yet. I can assume that Italy’s chances will be estimated at about 1.60, the coefficient should not be less because in fact this is a multi-bet: Italy must defeat North Macedonia, which is inconvenient for them, and then not lose to Ukraine. The task is not very difficult, but Italy looks unconvincing in recent games.
I can agree with you on the point that Italy haven't been showing a very impressive performance. Even in the match which they won by 4-0 against Malta their performance didn't convince me. Because they were quite bad at taking advantage of most of their goal chances. There were only a few effective shots which ended up with goals. I don't even want to say much about the match against England because they were really bad at defending. Considering that North Macedonia gave them an upset before as well one can have doubts about Italy's qualifying chance. But I still want to give Italy a chance over Ukraine when it comes to making it to Euro 2024. Winning against North Macedonia will make things much more comfortable. As I said before Italy still has a great chance to qualify for the next round, indeed their performance is no better than England but at least Italy is the second best team in the group and Italy only needs to beat Ukraine in the next match because it's an important match. By the way, what do you think about Norway? will they qualify for the next stage? they are 5 points behind and they have to win the remaining 2 matches, if one of the match lose then there is no hope because the maximum point is only 13 and the most important match is to beat Scotland, it will be a challenge especially Norway playing away.
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October 19, 2023, 08:53:38 PM |
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I guess this is as close as Ukraine was hoping for to get to qualificiation for the Euro 2024. When they saw that the drawing was holding England and Italy for them, I think they did not expect to have a decisive game at the end of the qualification to actually kick one of those teams out and instead go themselves. I am sure that this game will be a hell of a challenge for Italy as I guess everybody has an idea of the fight that Ukraine will give Italy in that game. For Italy it would be massively disappointing to miss the Euro and I think they will show some nervousness.
England boss, Gareth Southgate have made an outstanding de ions, his strict disciplinary measures ought to be followed. England is at the top and will remain so since there doesn't exist any functionality opposition capable of holding them back. England and Ukraine appear to be viable candidates for a position in Euro Group C competition. England is comfortably in the forefront, with Ukraine in second. Italy was expected to be in that spot, but they blew their chance, and they will pay the price for their poor performance against their opponents. Southgate has had some hard times as well, that shouldn't be forgotten. But when you now look at the players he has available, I think it wouldn't be wrong to talk about a lucky era. I think this statistic says it all and it goes back to the World Cup in Qatar and I guess it didn't consider Bellingham at his true value. England was the most expensive squad at the World Cup with a combined 1.5 billion euros. It is quite striking that they are worth about 12% more than the French squad. Southgate can call himself lucky and now it is time for them to win something in the next few years. Southgate is indeed lucky but he is not able to utilize the list of talented players before him rather he selects players into his line up with lots of bias. He remains a tactical poor coach. During the FIFA World Cup Competition, he should have won that game against France to qualify for the finals but he screwed everything. Let's head back to the Euros and he could have won the game before that penalty shoot out. I don't want to blame him more, you could talk for years and will see no change. It's the reason i want Pep Guardiola to be managing that squad before they go for the next FIFA World Cup Competition, bit that would only be fantasies you know.
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I still think that Italy could end up going up, and that shouldn't really be a trouble for them, I get that not a lot of people think that they will get enough but I believe them and they can do it. All these national team stuff are getting worse and risky with all the injuries and of course fatigue, we need to make sure that national teams play as little as possible if we want clubs to mean more. So many injuries happened during this break, and it resulted with so many clubs missing so many important players, I hate it when I am playing football games on my PC as well, like fifa or fm, when a player goes to national team and comes back injured I turn mad and that is just a game, this is real life so it must be even worse.
Teams pay millions to these players, and national teams borrow those players for a short term and injure them for long term, so the player got injured during national team time, and yet it is the club that has to pay millions to a player for not playing, that's unfair.
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Italy needs to win the two remaining games to secure their spot. Otherwise, missing out on consecutive major tournaments is a real risk for them. It's tough to perform under pressure. If they win the next match, the deciding game will be against Ukraine, and Ukraine would also be determined to win for their qualification. Beating Ukraine won't be easy. But what if North Macedonia causes them problems? Let's positive Italy might qualify; it's challenging but not impossible.
Losing to England was indeed a heavy blow that they had to accept. Because that means Italy really has to win the remaining matches. But in fact, if Ukraine is also able to win the remaining matches, Italy will still fail to qualify for the next round. And we know that Ukrainen is also a strong team and they also qualified for the next round in the previous season. I think this time they do have a chance to qualify again. Unless they make a mistake in their last match. So the decision will be really interesting because Ukraine has to play Italy at the last.
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Southgate has had some hard times as well, that shouldn't be forgotten. But when you now look at the players he has available, I think it wouldn't be wrong to talk about a lucky era. I think this statistic says it all and it goes back to the World Cup in Qatar and I guess it didn't consider Bellingham at his true value. England was the most expensive squad at the World Cup with a combined 1.5 billion euros. It is quite striking that they are worth about 12% more than the French squad. Southgate can call himself lucky and now it is time for them to win something in the next few years. I've been a huge fan of the England team, and I've seen some phenomenal generations, such as Beckham, Rooney, Lampard, Michael Owen, Rios Ferdinand, Gerrard and many others, and they've never managed to win the World Cup or Euro in this modern era Despite playing well, having great teams, well assembled, with great structure, they still haven't managed to win. Their best opportunity was in the final of the last Euro, which they had everything to win, but I don't know how Italy managed that beat them, look at the situation of the two teams in recent years, Italy is in bad shape, while England has improved even more An important fact to remember is that the Premier League has gained a lot of strength in recent years and is probably the toughest league out there today Nowadays the team to beat is France. I already see England as the second best European team, and for next year's Euro they have everything they need to reach the final again, and so far in qualifying, England has done everything right
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I still think that Italy could end up going up, and that shouldn't really be a trouble for them, I get that not a lot of people think that they will get enough but I believe them and they can do it. All these national team stuff are getting worse and risky with all the injuries and of course fatigue, we need to make sure that national teams play as little as possible if we want clubs to mean more. So many injuries happened during this break, and it resulted with so many clubs missing so many important players, I hate it when I am playing football games on my PC as well, like fifa or fm, when a player goes to national team and comes back injured I turn mad and that is just a game, this is real life so it must be even worse.
Teams pay millions to these players, and national teams borrow those players for a short term and injure them for long term, so the player got injured during national team time, and yet it is the club that has to pay millions to a player for not playing, that's unfair.
Well i think they will be under a lot of presure because they didnt go to the world cup and i think against Ukraine this will be a critical match because id they miss again a big tournament it will be a huge shock for their national team. Ukraine will for sure fight hard against them
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Well i think they will be under a lot of presure because they didnt go to the world cup and i think against Ukraine this will be a critical match because id they miss again a big tournament it will be a huge shock for their national team. Ukraine will for sure fight hard against them
Facing Ukraine is one way for them to qualify but before that they must also try to get 3 points against North Macedonia. Their first match against Macedonia did not go well as they had to be willing to share a point and that must be avoided now because the current point difference is 3 points from Ukraine and inevitably Italy must win the match against northern Macedonia so that they can be level with Ukraine and consider the last match against Ukraine is life and death because this is a decisive thing for them. They have failed in the Euros before and of course we know that they failed in the world cup too and it would not be funny if they fail again now.
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Lukaku has been unstoppable so far. He has 10 goals in 7 matches in the qualifiers. I mean he has a direct contribution to most of their goals. This performance is one of the main factors behind Belgium's having a really successful group stage. De Bruyne has been injured and he will be out for a long time as well.
I thought this would create some problems for Belgium when it comes to creativity and productivity. But Lukaku has made up for his absence really great so far. Do you think Belgium can be successful in Euro 2024 as well?
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Lukaku has been unstoppable so far. He has 10 goals in 7 matches in the qualifiers. I mean he has a direct contribution to most of their goals. This performance is one of the main factors behind Belgium's having a really successful group stage. De Bruyne has been injured and he will be out for a long time as well.
I thought this would create some problems for Belgium when it comes to creativity and productivity. But Lukaku has made up for his absence really great so far. Do you think Belgium can be successful in Euro 2024 as well?
Being ahead of a Ronaldo in the goal scorer list when Ronaldo has a group that is much easier than that of Belgium speaks volumes so far. Lukaku for some reason gets along very well in the national team despite missing De Bruyne. Actually, it is not only about the 10 goals he scored, but about the number of his goals relative to total Belgium goals. He scored 10/16 whereas Ronaldo scored 9/32. This shows how much Lukaku means to the team. He also assisted 1 goal, which gives him a participation rate of 68.75%. That's ridiculous and nobody would have seen that coming.
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October 19, 2023, 11:13:42 PM |
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The situation in Group C is very interesting. Ukraine is second in Group C and has 13 points. Italy is three points behind Ukraine and occupies the third position. But the Italians have one extra game in reserve. If the Italians win their "reserve" game against North Macedonia, then in the last round we will see a super match between Ukraine and Italy. It will be a battle for a ticket to Euro-24.
I will like to see Italy in the Euro next year than Ukraine. Ukraine is a good team with Mudryk, Zichenko, Vitaliy Mykolenko and other players but I reason that Italy will make the competition much more competitive and interesting as a team that have won the competition before and a team with the ability to win it again. I reason that their new coach can really work things out for them and cook this Italian squad into something very special for Germany next year.
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Lukaku has been unstoppable so far. He has 10 goals in 7 matches in the qualifiers. I mean he has a direct contribution to most of their goals. This performance is one of the main factors behind Belgium's having a really successful group stage. De Bruyne has been injured and he will be out for a long time as well.
I thought this would create some problems for Belgium when it comes to creativity and productivity. But Lukaku has made up for his absence really great so far. Do you think Belgium can be successful in Euro 2024 as well?
Well... it is true that Romelu Lukaku has been in terrific form so far in this tournament (as he is always while playing against weaker teams). Apart from Belgium, other teams are not world class contenders in Group F. Austria and Sweden are there, then they have Azerbaijan and Estonia to make up the numbers. What worries me is the fact that Belgium managed to score a total of 17 goals till now, and Lukaku scored 10 of them. Other team members are having very little contribution in their wins. Dodi Lukebakio is at the second place with 2 goals.
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