⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽

[cryptofrka]

So, the same thing happened in the 2nd semifinal as well.
That Hernandez - Boufal challenge in the 1st half should have been checked by VAR, to me it looked more like it's a penalty than a yellow card for Boufal.

Morocco was very dangerous in the 2nd half and deserved to score, it will be a tough game against them for the bronze.

[Trofo]

So, the same thing happened in the 2nd semifinal as well.
That Hernandez - Boufal challenge in the 1st half should have been checked by VAR, to me it looked more like it's a penalty than a yellow card for Boufal.

Morocco was very dangerous in the 2nd half and deserved to score, it will be a tough game against them for the bronze.

I had money on France so it went well for me that they did not check that start. It was clear penalty for me. Sure wasn't an attacker foul and especially not a yellow card for atacking player.

It really gets ridiculous when VAR does not check situations like this in world cup semi final.

[casperBGD]

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Sure wasn't an attacker foul and especially not a yellow card for atacking player.

was is interesting for me, Boufal didn't complained at all

all Moroccan players compained, and didn't, maybe he was afraid of possible second yellow, or red card, but he was stay put
it could be because he knew that he earned as well

IMO, it had to be checked by VAR

[buwaytress]

and since Giroud hit the bench, we have first finalist

And very quickly, it's my pick of the tourney to go through! Now it's up to you to burn my final bridge down

If it comes through, Harko, not only do you owe me a lot of beers if we ever meet up, I can join Trofolink as Sojoracle for non-premium predictor subscriptions

I wonder how many other people made consolation money on Harkorede/casperBGD making it through to the final.

Slaman and kanapka still play for a slightly bigger prize (3rd place) right?

[cryptofrka]

The questions for the final are here!

You will notice that some questions are in a h2h format, you can win a point even if you don't get the answer correct but get more points than your direct opponent.

Cutoff for submitting the answers is 2h before the start of the 1st game.

Good luck!

Slaman and kanapka still play for a slightly bigger prize (3rd place) right?

Yes, 3rd place is 25.5 mBTC and the 4th 10 mBTC.

Code:

slaman29
Harkorede
casperBGD
Kanapka

[Trofo]

I wonder how many other people made consolation money on Harkorede/casperBGD making it through to the final.

I don't have the complete stats but this was how it was poised about an hour before game started. So official markets were closed but somebody could still have placed bets even later trough those shared betslip links.
These are bets placed per our competitor, don't have the stats for amounts though.

Harkorede   19
Kanapka     12
   
Slaman29     10
CasperBGD   12

I believe we will have our bets settled tomorrow morning and then we should also get new markets for final and 3rd place playoff.

[Igebotz]

So, the same thing happened in the 2nd semifinal as well.
That Hernandez - Boufal challenge in the 1st half should have been checked by VAR, to me it looked more like it's a penalty than a yellow card for Boufal.

Morocco was very dangerous in the 2nd half and deserved to score, it will be a tough game against them for the bronze.

I had money on France so it went well for me that they did not check that start. It was clear penalty for me. Sure wasn't an attacker foul and especially not a yellow card for atacking player.

It really gets ridiculous when VAR does not check situations like this in world cup semi final.

In this case, the referee had already rendered a decision on the situation, so there was nothing VAR could do since the referee's decision is the ultimate. VAR doesn't intervene unless the referee gives signal or missed a situation and he is called to check it. VAR serves as the field's assistant referee, more like,"Hey, don't come in unless I need it." As long as the VAR is under the control of the ref, nothing will change until they act independently.

and since Giroud hit the bench, we have first finalist

And very quickly, it's my pick of the tourney to go through! Now it's up to you to burn my final bridge down

If it comes through, Harko, not only do you owe me a lot of beers if we ever meet up, I can join Trofolink as Sojoracle for non-premium predictor subscriptions

I wonder how many other people made consolation money on Harkorede/casperBGD making it through to the final.

Slaman and kanapka still play for a slightly bigger prize (3rd place) right?

I took the opposite route this time, so it turns out Harko and CasperBGD were Argentina and France after all. I've gone over the questions, and all I can say is that, since whoever I back always ends up getting eliminated, may the best team win.

[Harkorede]

So, the same thing happened in the 2nd semifinal as well.
That Hernandez - Boufal challenge in the 1st half should have been checked by VAR, to me it looked more like it's a penalty than a yellow card for Boufal.

Morocco was very dangerous in the 2nd half and deserved to score, it will be a tough game against them for the bronze.

I think the Moroccan coach went too far by taking quite a number of unnecessary risks with some injured players, I guessed the players especially the captain might have coerced him into doing so, and for them only to come off a couple off minutes into the game after conceding the first goal, Saiss was a big risk and you could see the bandage in his when he was walking of the pitch, I suppose that's why they opted for 5 at the back rather than their usually four, because how do expect and unhealthy Saiss to fare against Mbappe on the break or Griezmann if they pick him up ?

So, the same thing happened in the 2nd semifinal as well.
That Hernandez - Boufal challenge in the 1st half should have been checked by VAR, to me it looked more like it's a penalty than a yellow card for Boufal.

Morocco was very dangerous in the 2nd half and deserved to score, it will be a tough game against them for the bronze.

I had money on France so it went well for me that they did not check that start. It was clear penalty for me. Sure wasn't an attacker foul and especially not a yellow card for atacking player.

It really gets ridiculous when VAR does not check situations like this in world cup semi final.

In this case, the referee had already rendered a decision on the situation, so there was nothing VAR could do since the referee's decision is the ultimate. VAR doesn't intervene unless the referee gives signal or missed a situation and he is called to check it. VAR serves as the field's assistant referee, more like,"Hey, don't come in unless I need it." As long as the VAR is under the control of the ref, nothing will change until they act independently.

Perhaps if Boufal had fell too, it would have been a different argument, but I think the first impression the referee had was that the defender had the advantage of possessing the ball, while Boufal was the aggressive challenger going for the tackle/take on, that was what I saw at first too, until I saw the replay and it was evident that Boufal even withdrew his before getting anywhere near contacting the defender, and he was the victim in the end instead, so he got victimized twice, one by the defender and secondly by there ref.

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@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.

[notblox1]

Great work on getting to the final Harkorede and casperBGD, and let the best member win!
Everyone who finished in top three or four places earned very nice Bitcoin reward, and maybe we could see special bet on Sportsbet website again.

[Igebotz]

In this case, the referee had already rendered a decision on the situation, so there was nothing VAR could do since the referee's decision is the ultimate. VAR doesn't intervene unless the referee gives signal or missed a situation and he is called to check it. VAR serves as the field's assistant referee, more like,"Hey, don't come in unless I need it." As long as the VAR is under the control of the ref, nothing will change until they act independently.

Perhaps if Boufal had fell too, it would have been a different argument, but I think the first impression the referee had was that the defender had the advantage of possessing the ball, while Boufal was the aggressive challenger going for the tackle/take on, that was what I saw at first too, until I saw the replay and it was evident that Boufal even withdrew his before getting anywhere near contacting the defender, and he was the victim in the end instead, so he got victimized twice, one by the defender and secondly by there ref.

If it were Neymar or Suarez, they would roll around faking serious injury with tears streaming from their eyes to get that PK or at least the ref's attention, and that is exactly what Theo did, he knew he was going to get screwed, he is an experienced player, he took advantage of Boufal and got the decision in his favor. It would have been a different scene and decision if Boufal had fallen or faked injury, as you suggested.
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@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.

Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.

Having said that, Morocco was on the wrong end of the officiating last night, but it didn't really matter because everyone wanted the France-Argentina final to make more money. Even FIFA wanted that, which is why they rejected Morocco's proposal for a rematch, which I knew was doomed to fail anyway. Morocco has a good chance of beating Croatia, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

[Trofo]

Having said that, Morocco was on the wrong end of the officiating last night, but it didn't really matter because everyone wanted the France-Argentina final to make more money. Even FIFA wanted that, which is why they rejected Morocco's proposal for a rematch, which I knew was doomed to fail anyway. Morocco has a good chance of beating Croatia, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

Did any team ever get a chance for rematch due to bad officiating? I don't think so and it is better that way. Just imagine if some club got it. Next time any minor ref decision is up to debate somobody would ask for rematch. All hell would break lose, better to keep that option firmly off the table.

Remeber guys, I still need some BTC addresses for rewards and cut off time for sending your answers for last round is 2 hours before first match.

[slaman29]

Great work on getting to the final Harkorede and casperBGD, and let the best member win!
Everyone who finished in top three or four places earned very nice Bitcoin reward, and maybe we could see special bet on Sportsbet website again.

Yeah, well done to the both of you If casper wins it all, then I can be proud to say I lost to the eventual champion. If you asked me at the start of it all who would be in the final, it's very likely I would choose at least one of them since I believe they were both "seeded" in their groups and as expected, made it out, unlike many other real seeds like Germany lol.

I'll check questions out like tomorrow and answer immediately. I took too long the last time and overcooked my answers

[Igebotz]

Having said that, Morocco was on the wrong end of the officiating last night, but it didn't really matter because everyone wanted the France-Argentina final to make more money. Even FIFA wanted that, which is why they rejected Morocco's proposal for a rematch, which I knew was doomed to fail anyway. Morocco has a good chance of beating Croatia, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

Did any team ever get a chance for rematch due to bad officiating? I don't think so and it is better that way. Just imagine if some club got it. Next time any minor ref decision is up to debate somobody would ask for rematch. All hell would break lose, better to keep that option firmly off the table.

Yes, we've had it before: the world cup qualifiers match between Senegal and South Africa was replayed after the Senegalese FA filed an appeal to FIFA for match fixing and poor officiating after an unbelievable penalty was awarded out of nowhere, and South Africa won the first game 2-1. Senegal won the rematch and qualified for the Qatar World Cup after the ref was banned for life.

south-africa-senegal-world-cup-qualifier-replayed

Remeber guys, I still need some BTC addresses for rewards and cut off time for sending your answers for last round is 2 hours before first match.

Both the losers too? 

[slackovic]

@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.

Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.

I understand that the field referee is superior in making decisions but that shouldn't be the case. If VAR was implemented in football so that field refs would make less mistakes, then they should have a possibility to make the field ref look at the situation on the VAR monitor. For me it still hurts that Orsato didn't watch the situation between Alvarez and Livakovic. When I saw the situation in live TV, it looked like a clear penalty. But when I saw it in slow motion, I'm not that sure anymore. Besides, like cryptofrka said, if Orsato watch the VAR monitor and still ruled it as a penalty, there probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. This way one can think that he saw the whole situation wrong, especially since he was quite far away in the field.

[Igebotz]

@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.

Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.

I understand that the field referee is superior in making decisions but that shouldn't be the case. If VAR was implemented in football so that field refs would make less mistakes, then they should have a possibility to make the field ref look at the situation on the VAR monitor. For me it still hurts that Orsato didn't watch the situation between Alvarez and Livakovic. When I saw the situation in live TV, it looked like a clear penalty. But when I saw it in slow motion, I'm not that sure anymore. Besides, like cryptofrka said, if Orsato watch the VAR monitor and still ruled it as a penalty, there probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. This way one can think that he saw the whole situation wrong, especially since he was quite far away in the field.

I agree that watching VAR would have cleared up some doubts, but I don't believe that particular incident required VAR assistance because a crash like that between players outside the box is always a foul. Livakovic committed two offenses: failing to catch the ball and extending his right leg to obstruct Alvarez's movement. Is there a perfect penalty in football in which both the loser and the winner agreed it was a penalty? No.

As a fan, whenever a penalty is awarded against my team, regardless of how soft or hard it is, I must find a way to complain, even if I know it was the correct call; that is what makes football beautiful.

[slackovic]

@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.

Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.

I understand that the field referee is superior in making decisions but that shouldn't be the case. If VAR was implemented in football so that field refs would make less mistakes, then they should have a possibility to make the field ref look at the situation on the VAR monitor. For me it still hurts that Orsato didn't watch the situation between Alvarez and Livakovic. When I saw the situation in live TV, it looked like a clear penalty. But when I saw it in slow motion, I'm not that sure anymore. Besides, like cryptofrka said, if Orsato watch the VAR monitor and still ruled it as a penalty, there probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. This way one can think that he saw the whole situation wrong, especially since he was quite far away in the field.

I agree that watching VAR would have cleared up some doubts, but I don't believe that particular incident required VAR assistance because a crash like that between players outside the box is always a foul. Livakovic committed two offenses: failing to catch the ball and extending his right leg to obstruct Alvarez's movement. Is there a perfect penalty in football in which both the loser and the winner agreed it was a penalty? No.

As a fan, whenever a penalty is awarded against my team, regardless of how soft or hard it is, I must find a way to complain, even if I know it was the correct call; that is what makes football beautiful.

But Livakovic never extend his leg to obstruct Alvarez movement. He positioned himself about one meter in front of Alvarez and stood still. The action was fast so it's hard to see it in live, but when you look at the slow motion, you can see it. And I'm not saying this to complain as a Croatia fan. I'm saying this because now we will never know if Orsato saw what happened and awarded penalty regardless or he didn't see it right. If he check the situation in slow motion on VAR monitor and still award the penalty, we all would accept it because it would mean that he saw exactly what happened and ruled it as a penalty.

[Igebotz]

But Livakovic never extend his leg to obstruct Alvarez movement. He positioned himself about one meter in front of Alvarez and stood still. The action was fast so it's hard to see it in live, but when you look at the slow motion, you can see it. And I'm not saying this to complain as a Croatia fan. I'm saying this because now we will never know if Orsato saw what happened and awarded penalty regardless or he didn't see it right. If he check the situation in slow motion on VAR monitor and still award the penalty, we all would accept it because it would mean that he saw exactly what happened and ruled it as a penalty.

I've been a Croatia fan since 2014 because of my admiration for Modric and Kovasic, as well as my crush on the formal President, and I have no doubt that was a penalty. From a neutral vantage point. Look at Livakovic's body movement and the ball's position.

[slackovic]

But Livakovic never extend his leg to obstruct Alvarez movement. He positioned himself about one meter in front of Alvarez and stood still. The action was fast so it's hard to see it in live, but when you look at the slow motion, you can see it. And I'm not saying this to complain as a Croatia fan. I'm saying this because now we will never know if Orsato saw what happened and awarded penalty regardless or he didn't see it right. If he check the situation in slow motion on VAR monitor and still award the penalty, we all would accept it because it would mean that he saw exactly what happened and ruled it as a penalty.

I've been a Croatia fan since 2014 because of my admiration for Modric and Kovasic, as well as my crush on the formal President, and I have no doubt that was a penalty. From a neutral vantage point. Look at Livakovic's body movement and the ball's position.

Well, if you insist, this picture is when Alvarez already collided with Livakovic. This is a better view of this situation:



As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.

[Igebotz]

As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.

All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap

[slackovic]

As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.

All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap

We have different opinion and that's fine. But the fact remains that Orsato might have decided not to rule penalty for Argentina if he saw the situation on the VAR monitor. I guess the VAR was introduced to football because of that reason.