Indian Premier League #IPL Cricket

[darewaller]

However right after the IPL we saw that the Indian batting line up failed miserably in the world cup test final against Australia. Was it because of the transition from the T20 direct to the test format or was it anything else that caused the batting failure?

Some of the players didn't took part in the IPL (such as Cheteshwar Pujara) and still failed during the WTC final. And then there were some who were out of form during the IPL, like Rohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. The real reason why the Indian team failed during WTC is because of lack of preparation. They were playing in hot and humid conditions in India, and that too in flat tracks with smaller boundaries. The conditions in England were diametrically opposite and the team didn't got enough time to get adjusted. Also, they didn't focused much on the preparations.

IPL ended with WTC also ended in disaster for the Indian team many stars fail to give their best and give up badly in both innings which is surely under criticism by many former cricketers and currently involved in this game around the world but one thing which is not highlighted still looking for the reply as Indian captain Rohit Sharma also give is view about this all why we have to play final in June and why we have to do this every time after IPL we can do this on any other time as well with many venues are available, and we also have time frame as well as why this all is going like this for two time and both times India fail because players right now IPL fail to give their best in RED-BALL which is completely different from the WHITE-BALL so ICC and BCCI also need to check this all and try to have things different in next final because for me most chances we will have India again in final for the next round as well.

[DanWalker]

Some of the players didn't took part in the IPL (such as Cheteshwar Pujara) and still failed during the WTC final. And then there were some who were out of form during the IPL, like Rohit Sharma and Shardul Thakur. The real reason why the Indian team failed during WTC is because of lack of preparation. They were playing in hot and humid conditions in India, and that too in flat tracks with smaller boundaries. The conditions in England were diametrically opposite and the team didn't got enough time to get adjusted. Also, they didn't focused much on the preparations.

IPL ended with WTC also ended in disaster for the Indian team many stars fail to give their best and give up badly in both innings which is surely under criticism by many former cricketers and currently involved in this game around the world but one thing which is not highlighted still looking for the reply as Indian captain Rohit Sharma also give is view about this all why we have to play final in June and why we have to do this every time after IPL we can do this on any other time as well with many venues are available, and we also have time frame as well as why this all is going like this for two time and both times India fail because players right now IPL fail to give their best in RED-BALL which is completely different from the WHITE-BALL so ICC and BCCI also need to check this all and try to have things different in next final because for me most chances we will have India again in final for the next round as well.

The IPL was not great preparation, ground for the Indian team when they went to play the WTC final. Of course, India was not going to do well in that match. They prepared themselves for the ideal. They also had to give their hundred percent to the IPL. The players just could not make the transition well enough. A lot of people are talking about the captaincy of Rohit Sharma. But I have to say India failed when it comes to individual performances as well.

Honestly, I don’t think a lot of people care about this too much. Well, of course, it was the WTC final. So a certain amount of people are always going to care.

[Sithara007]

The IPL was not great preparation, ground for the Indian team when they went to play the WTC final. Of course, India was not going to do well in that match. They prepared themselves for the ideal. They also had to give their hundred percent to the IPL. The players just could not make the transition well enough. A lot of people are talking about the captaincy of Rohit Sharma. But I have to say India failed when it comes to individual performances as well.

Honestly, I don’t think a lot of people care about this too much. Well, of course, it was the WTC final. So a certain amount of people are always going to care.

In the end, it comes down to priorities. For the players, the vast majority of their annual earnings come from the IPL, so it is a higher priority for them. And I have a feeling that the Indian team has now given up on the idea of winning an ICC championship. The last time they did so was in 2013, and that was when Mahendra Singh Dhoni was captaining the Indian team. Under Kohli and Rohit, they simply don't have the capability to win any of the ICC tournaments. And they don't even try to win any tournaments nowadays. The seriousness is not there.

[Juggy777]

The IPL was not great preparation, ground for the Indian team when they went to play the WTC final. Of course, India was not going to do well in that match. They prepared themselves for the ideal. They also had to give their hundred percent to the IPL. The players just could not make the transition well enough. A lot of people are talking about the captaincy of Rohit Sharma. But I have to say India failed when it comes to individual performances as well.

Honestly, I don’t think a lot of people care about this too much. Well, of course, it was the WTC final. So a certain amount of people are always going to care.

In the end, it comes down to priorities. For the players, the vast majority of their annual earnings come from the IPL, so it is a higher priority for them. And I have a feeling that the Indian team has now given up on the idea of winning an ICC championship. The last time they did so was in 2013, and that was when Mahendra Singh Dhoni was captaining the Indian team. Under Kohli and Rohit, they simply don't have the capability to win any of the ICC tournaments. And they don't even try to win any tournaments nowadays. The seriousness is not there.

@Sithara007 I totally agree with you and I felt that BCCI could have planned better and could have asked th player’s to prepare for this final but surprisingly there was no such directive from them and in the end team India lost another final. Lastly team India needs a new young dynamic captain who’s keen to play for the nation first and unless they get such a leader I doubt that they’ll win an ICC tournament anytime soon.

[Sithara007]

@Sithara007 I totally agree with you and I felt that BCCI could have planned better and could have asked th player’s to prepare for this final but surprisingly there was no such directive from them and in the end team India lost another final. Lastly team India needs a new young dynamic captain who’s keen to play for the nation first and unless they get such a leader I doubt that they’ll win an ICC tournament anytime soon.

At this point, Kohli and his cronies such as Rohit control the team selection. This need to be changed. Rahul Dravid as the coach hasn't been able to do much against the senior players. There is no accountability within the Indian team and players are retained despite not performing for years on the trot. Players who doesn't have the support from this cabal, such as T Natarajan and Venkatesh Iyer are often overlooked for selection, while undeserving players are selected just because of their closeness to Kohli. Unless this system is changed, India is not going to win any of the ICC tournaments anytime soon.

[DanWalker]

@Sithara007 I totally agree with you and I felt that BCCI could have planned better and could have asked th player’s to prepare for this final but surprisingly there was no such directive from them and in the end team India lost another final. Lastly team India needs a new young dynamic captain who’s keen to play for the nation first and unless they get such a leader I doubt that they’ll win an ICC tournament anytime soon.

At this point, Kohli and his cronies such as Rohit control the team selection. This need to be changed. Rahul Dravid as the coach hasn't been able to do much against the senior players. There is no accountability within the Indian team and players are retained despite not performing for years on the trot. Players who doesn't have the support from this cabal, such as T Natarajan and Venkatesh Iyer are often overlooked for selection, while undeserving players are selected just because of their closeness to Kohli. Unless this system is changed, India is not going to win any of the ICC tournaments anytime soon.

I believe the selection of any team is best made with the players and coaches working together. But it doesn’t work when there is a certain amount of favoritism/nepotism going on. The Indian team has a lot of players absolutely ready to replace someone who does not perform well. But I agree that recently we are watching players who are not performing as well as they are expected, but still getting more chances. That is not fair to the players who are waiting on the sideline for a chance to prove themselves.

We have also seen that Virat Kohli was not performing well at all for a long period of time. But he still got chance after chance. I would even say that proper conditions for him were created so that he can find his form. Very few players can have the luxury of this type.

[Sithara007]

I believe the selection of any team is best made with the players and coaches working together. But it doesn’t work when there is a certain amount of favoritism/nepotism going on. The Indian team has a lot of players absolutely ready to replace someone who does not perform well. But I agree that recently we are watching players who are not performing as well as they are expected, but still getting more chances. That is not fair to the players who are waiting on the sideline for a chance to prove themselves.

We have also seen that Virat Kohli was not performing well at all for a long period of time. But he still got chance after chance. I would even say that proper conditions for him were created so that he can find his form. Very few players can have the luxury of this type.

There is no accountability from the players and that is one of the reasons why India has performed poorly in ICC tournaments despite having some of the best players. For example, despite their pathetic display during the 2023 ICC World Test Championship final, no action was taken against the players who performed poorly. Cheteshwar Pujara failed once again, but no one will have the courage to drop him from the squad. One of the reasons why India lost was the blunder in team selection, where Umesh Yadav was preferred instead of Ravichandran Ashwin. But again, none of this is being discussed.

[TheGreatPython]

@Sithara007 I totally agree with you and I felt that BCCI could have planned better and could have asked th player’s to prepare for this final but surprisingly there was no such directive from them and in the end team India lost another final. Lastly team India needs a new young dynamic captain who’s keen to play for the nation first and unless they get such a leader I doubt that they’ll win an ICC tournament anytime soon.

At this point, Kohli and his cronies such as Rohit control the team selection. This need to be changed. Rahul Dravid as the coach hasn't been able to do much against the senior players. There is no accountability within the Indian team and players are retained despite not performing for years on the trot. Players who doesn't have the support from this cabal, such as T Natarajan and Venkatesh Iyer are often overlooked for selection, while undeserving players are selected just because of their closeness to Kohli. Unless this system is changed, India is not going to win any of the ICC tournaments anytime soon.

With living into India you have better review about this all because I was thinking BCCI and selectors are having enough power to settle things but as you already describe senior players are having much influence on selection which is surely never been good for any team and India which is surely having enough pool of players with their domestic system is also providing them good support things like this surely not good because they need to have good backup on their bench for the long run strategy and many players are already under their system which can give them good results in red ball and white ball formats, but they are still facing issues like this mean it's long way to go for them to have team like Australia which is surely having greater system and backups even they also have failures and other problems, but there is no players power which have any impact on them and their system.

[DanWalker]

I believe the selection of any team is best made with the players and coaches working together. But it doesn’t work when there is a certain amount of favoritism/nepotism going on. The Indian team has a lot of players absolutely ready to replace someone who does not perform well. But I agree that recently we are watching players who are not performing as well as they are expected, but still getting more chances. That is not fair to the players who are waiting on the sideline for a chance to prove themselves.
We have also seen that Virat Kohli was not performing well at all for a long period of time. But he still got chance after chance. I would even say that proper conditions for him were created so that he can find his form. Very few players can have the luxury of this type.

There is no accountability from the players and that is one of the reasons why India has performed poorly in ICC tournaments despite having some of the best players. For example, despite their pathetic display during the 2023 ICC World Test Championship final, no action was taken against the players who performed poorly. Cheteshwar Pujara failed once again, but no one will have the courage to drop him from the squad. One of the reasons why India lost was the blunder in team selection, where Umesh Yadav was preferred instead of Ravichandran Ashwin. But again, none of this is being discussed.

First, I thought probably did you not want to give test cricket too much importance. But after that, I thought if they did not want to give test cricket too much importance they would have done that from the start. They have failed in the most important test match of the year. Part is they have failed so miserably but they are still not worried about it. I believe the selection should be controlled by the coaches now. Because the players are basically screwing up the selection process by having power in their hands. They are obviously choosing players by having an influence of favoritism inside them. And of course, the players have to be held accountable for their bad performance.

[Sithara007]

First, I thought probably did you not want to give test cricket too much importance. But after that, I thought if they did not want to give test cricket too much importance they would have done that from the start. They have failed in the most important test match of the year. Part is they have failed so miserably but they are still not worried about it. I believe the selection should be controlled by the coaches now. Because the players are basically screwing up the selection process by having power in their hands. They are obviously choosing players by having an influence of favoritism inside them. And of course, the players have to be held accountable for their bad performance.

As a matter of fact, I am not a big fan of test cricket. But still, I would argue that players who are not interested in test cricket should not be a part of the test squad. While watching the WTC final, this was the impression that I got from the Indian players. It seemed as if they are paying just for the sake of it. The aggression and commitment that these same players were showing while participating in the IPL a few weeks ago was suddenly missing when they were playing against Australia at the Oval. In fact they looked quite happy when the match was over.

[darewaller]

As a matter of fact, I am not a big fan of test cricket. But still, I would argue that players who are not interested in test cricket should not be a part of the test squad. While watching the WTC final, this was the impression that I got from the Indian players. It seemed as if they are paying just for the sake of it. The aggression and commitment that these same players were showing while participating in the IPL a few weeks ago was suddenly missing when they were playing against Australia at the Oval. In fact they looked quite happy when the match was over.

Yeah, now things are going to be divided for the two formats like we will have white-ball and red-ball here things are tricky for the boards because they need to have few players set for the red-ball which give their best even across conditions and also have good first class practice which give them good amount of money and white-ball players just need to be settled in this format which will create good body language and success.
 
We're already having too many issues in different boards and white-ball is now also main source of income for the players and boards, so they need to reduce teams in red-ball and have two teams in all boards which will surely burden still a good way to stay in competition and increase quality level in WTC for the future. Having just 6 to 8 teams in red-ball format and going with 16 to 20 teams into white-ball will give better results and involvement from players as well.

[Juggy777]

As a matter of fact, I am not a big fan of test cricket. But still, I would argue that players who are not interested in test cricket should not be a part of the test squad. While watching the WTC final, this was the impression that I got from the Indian players. It seemed as if they are paying just for the sake of it. The aggression and commitment that these same players were showing while participating in the IPL a few weeks ago was suddenly missing when they were playing against Australia at the Oval. In fact they looked quite happy when the match was over.

Yeah, now things are going to be divided for the two formats like we will have white-ball and red-ball here things are tricky for the boards because they need to have few players set for the red-ball which give their best even across conditions and also have good first class practice which give them good amount of money and white-ball players just need to be settled in this format which will create good body language and success.
 
We're already having too many issues in different boards and white-ball is now also main source of income for the players and boards, so they need to reduce teams in red-ball and have two teams in all boards which will surely burden still a good way to stay in competition and increase quality level in WTC for the future. Having just 6 to 8 teams in red-ball format and going with 16 to 20 teams into white-ball will give better results and involvement from players as well.

@sithara007 except Rahane and Pujara none of the playing 11 really cares for the Test match format and even these two tend to underperform a lot hence it’s high time that a separate test specialist squad is created for team India. Furthermore the Indian test team needs a new strategy as the current squad is ineffective and their plan’s won’t yield any positive results especially in the test match format.

[DanWalker]

First, I thought probably did you not want to give test cricket too much importance. But after that, I thought if they did not want to give test cricket too much importance they would have done that from the start. They have failed in the most important test match of the year. Part is they have failed so miserably but they are still not worried about it. I believe the selection should be controlled by the coaches now. Because the players are basically screwing up the selection process by having power in their hands. They are obviously choosing players by having an influence of favoritism inside them. And of course, the players have to be held accountable for their bad performance.

As a matter of fact, I am not a big fan of test cricket. But still, I would argue that players who are not interested in test cricket should not be a part of the test squad. While watching the WTC final, this was the impression that I got from the Indian players. It seemed as if they are paying just for the sake of it. The aggression and commitment that these same players were showing while participating in the IPL a few weeks ago was suddenly missing when they were playing against Australia at the Oval. In fact they looked quite happy when the match was over.

I could see that they did not give enough importance to the WTC final. And I don’t know why it felt like they had somewhere to go because the whole Indian team was always in a hurry. When the Indian team batted in their first innings, it felt like they were in a hurry.

Yeah, now things are going to be divided for the two formats like we will have white-ball and red-ball here things are tricky for the boards because they need to have few players set for the red-ball which give their best even across conditions and also have good first class practice which give them good amount of money and white-ball players just need to be settled in this format which will create good body language and success.
 
We're already having too many issues in different boards and white-ball is now also main source of income for the players and boards, so they need to reduce teams in red-ball and have two teams in all boards which will surely burden still a good way to stay in competition and increase quality level in WTC for the future. Having just 6 to 8 teams in red-ball format and going with 16 to 20 teams into white-ball will give better results and involvement from players as well.

Why don't they absolutely get rid of the test format? I think it would be better for almost every team and also for the future of cricket. It is just a waste of time at this point. Even the Ashes series is not very interesting. I know there is going to be some protest if they absolutely get rid of test cricket. But I believe those people who will protest to keep test cricket as a format, won’t actually watch a test cricket match for the whole five days themselves.

[n0ne]

First, I thought probably did you not want to give test cricket too much importance. But after that, I thought if they did not want to give test cricket too much importance they would have done that from the start. They have failed in the most important test match of the year. Part is they have failed so miserably but they are still not worried about it. I believe the selection should be controlled by the coaches now. Because the players are basically screwing up the selection process by having power in their hands. They are obviously choosing players by having an influence of favoritism inside them. And of course, the players have to be held accountable for their bad performance.

As a matter of fact, I am not a big fan of test cricket. But still, I would argue that players who are not interested in test cricket should not be a part of the test squad. While watching the WTC final, this was the impression that I got from the Indian players. It seemed as if they are paying just for the sake of it. The aggression and commitment that these same players were showing while participating in the IPL a few weeks ago was suddenly missing when they were playing against Australia at the Oval. In fact they looked quite happy when the match was over.

Agreed, and the WTC final could've been played in similar style same as the first ashes series test match between Australia and England. Till the end England fought to win the match and lost it by 2 wickets and 27 balls left. India lost the match very badly. The match went upto the 5^th day's 1^st session, but they weren't able to make it atleast to the last session of the match. As mentioned the players have begun to give importance to the franchise cricket over the team playing for the country.

[Sithara007]

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Why don't they absolutely get rid of the test format? I think it would be better for almost every team and also for the future of cricket. It is just a waste of time at this point. Even the Ashes series is not very interesting. I know there is going to be some protest if they absolutely get rid of test cricket. But I believe those people who will protest to keep test cricket as a format, won’t actually watch a test cricket match for the whole five days themselves.

Well... I think we have already discussed about it a few times. Test format for sure is not as popular as T20Is. But there is a significant section of the cricket fans who still want to watch test cricket. Even I watched the first Ashes test for a few hours yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed the way Australia managed to win. But then, you can't ask the same players to participate in all the formats. That is why I have always argued for separate squads for test and limited overs format. Teams like India and Australia can do this (the Indian players don't want separate squads though). Those who can't form separate squads (such as Ireland and Sri Lanka) doesn't deserve to play test cricket.

[savetheFORUM]

Agreed, and the WTC final could've been played in similar style same as the first ashes series test match between Australia and England. Till the end England fought to win the match and lost it by 2 wickets and 27 balls left. India lost the match very badly. The match went upto the 5^th day's 1^st session, but they weren't able to make it atleast to the last session of the match. As mentioned the players have begun to give importance to the franchise cricket over the team playing for the country.

WTC final were completely in different scene from The Ashes as English players were playing in counties and have good practice with many Australians were also in same situation with few were coming from IPL, but mostly Indians were coming from IPL with no practice and no time for any game before this final which was surely big problem for them, and they lost this final so poorly.

Now in this first game we have good fight from both sides, and they have done good end with just 2 wickets left in Australian inning, and they achieve their winning target which is good for them, and now they are leading against home side hopefully things could be much better in second match which is going to start after one week.

[DanWalker]

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Why don't they absolutely get rid of the test format? I think it would be better for almost every team and also for the future of cricket. It is just a waste of time at this point. Even the Ashes series is not very interesting. I know there is going to be some protest if they absolutely get rid of test cricket. But I believe those people who will protest to keep test cricket as a format, won’t actually watch a test cricket match for the whole five days themselves.

Well...

Those who can't form separate squads (such as Ireland and Sri Lanka) doesn't deserve to play test cricket.

If that is the case, then only probably the top four teams will be able to play test cricket. I don’t think there is any necessity for a different cricket format just for four countries to play. And my argument is that if people are only watching these four teams playing test cricket, either the other teams have to get better very quickly. Or there is no need for this format at all. I know a lot of people still watch test cricket. But that is a minority of the population that actually watches cricket. People don’t even watch one day international matches for seven hours now, let alone test cricket.

[Sithara007]

If that is the case, then only probably the top four teams will be able to play test cricket. I don’t think there is any necessity for a different cricket format just for four countries to play. And my argument is that if people are only watching these four teams playing test cricket, either the other teams have to get better very quickly. Or there is no need for this format at all. I know a lot of people still watch test cricket. But that is a minority of the population that actually watches cricket. People don’t even watch one day international matches for seven hours now, let alone test cricket.

Apart from the pig-4, I guess Pakistan and South Africa also have the ability to play test cricket in a competent way. But still I don't know whether they will be able to form separate squads for test format and limited overs format. Anyway, apart from these 6 teams, I don't think that any of the other nations are capable of staying competent and playing consistently in test format. And there is no point in having meaningless one-sided matches, such as Australia vs Bangladesh, or India vs Sri Lanka. These smaller countries should concentrate on limited overs cricket.

[DanWalker]

Apart from the pig-4, I guess Pakistan and South Africa also have the ability to play test cricket in a competent way. But still I don't know whether they will be able to form separate squads for test format and limited overs format. Anyway, apart from these 6 teams, I don't think that any of the other nations are capable of staying competent and playing consistently in test format. And there is no point in having meaningless one-sided matches, such as Australia vs Bangladesh, or India vs Sri Lanka. These smaller countries should concentrate on limited overs cricket.

There is actually no need to keep the test format as an active format of cricket, to be honest. No one is interested in this format and the teams are also not interested in playing test cricket anymore. At the same time test cricket is not something with which cricket is going to spread throughout the world as well. So I think this cricket is just a waste of time. There is no reason for only four teams to keep playing a format of cricket that no one actually cares about anymore. I honestly don’t think that the people who actually loved test cricket truly, even they actually care about this cricket anymore.

[Sithara007]

There is actually no need to keep the test format as an active format of cricket, to be honest. No one is interested in this format and the teams are also not interested in playing test cricket anymore. At the same time test cricket is not something with which cricket is going to spread throughout the world as well. So I think this cricket is just a waste of time. There is no reason for only four teams to keep playing a format of cricket that no one actually cares about anymore. I honestly don’t think that the people who actually loved test cricket truly, even they actually care about this cricket anymore.

Actually I agree with this argument. Test cricket generates only a fraction of the revenue when compared to ODI and T20I cricket. And it is competitive only when the pig-4 plays against each other (Ashes, BGT and Trans-Tasman Trophy are the ones that generate maximum interest). When other teams are involved, the matches are lop-sided and hardly anyone watches them. But the traditionalists want boards to give more importance to this format, and the teams to play more test matches. My opinion is that teams outside the pig-4 should not play more than 3-4 test matches per year.