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December 29, 2023, 01:11:01 PM
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I`m sure that nobody can avoid the police(or secret services) if the would be strongly motivated to catch him. Any mixers or avoiding KYC can`t help with it. I read sometimes different cryptocurrencies news and can say that the police today is qualified enough and has enough instruments to catch a bitcoiner. The main question is how big is the fish.

The gold can be used in industry, the oil can be used in industry, USD is the standard. Bitcoin is nothing. No one country will allow any type of money they can`t control.
But it doesn`t mean that we can`t get profit using BTC in our real life. I buy, sell, earn BTC. But the money i have in BTC today - costs nothing for me, due to bey/sell operations. I don`t care will it be $500.000 or zero.
You are absolutely right , the main problem is dealing with people who believe that using bitcoin is bad , the Governments are those types of entities that want to control Absolutely everything so as not to let anything be done, only them, but let's take the example of a Country like El Salvador , whose identity has changed a lot and thanks to Bukele who has done great things with the bitocin, has changed the way people see this and it is Possible that many children have the complete understanding that this is a way out of private economies and that is a Sufficient Reason not to be Controlled by governments, I don't remember which senator from the USA says that bitcoin should be controlled, but it is as you say, how can they control bitcoin ? certainly that man has no idea what is happening, these are things that do not make any Kind of sense to me, in this case the things that we have heard about a powerful crypto asset are because many times they have no idea what it can achieve .

That's why we should always fight for the things that we believe can make a Difference , governments? banks? They will always be on their side, don't they care about anything else , uncontrolled money? That is like kryptonite for Superman to them , so they must Subject people to identifying themselves, because with the security protocols that we all know, such as Tor, VPN and all these tools that allow us to be in a more secure layer for the anonymity they are more difficult to track, only those who make the exchange directly from their wallet passing through a fiat money bank, when money inflows are recorded, where partiuclamrne the bank jumps and begins to see and ask why it is using such money and what is the origin of their funds ? Unless you have a bank account in Switzerland where things work on another level , and you can talk about more Freedoms.
Nobody can do something with the Governments. And the countries like El Salvador can`t help - anyway all of us need fiat money for real life. El Salvador can become an offshore like Cayman Islands but for cryptocurrencies. And it will be used by big bosses like mixers.
And the same problem with Tor, VPN, etc. The main problem that we can`t buy everyday things using cryptocurrencies. We have to change it for fiat money, mostly using credit/debt cards. And here the bitcoiner can be caught easily. I don`t work in police, but i`m sure that they have something to catch us even in cryptocurrencies. And anyway when you get fiat money the tax service begin to ask you some questions.
It is just one moment, why i`m sure that BTC can cost nothing some moment.

Well in that sense it is something that we cannot highlight, although I say something, if it happens that people no longer want to do KYC or anything like that, casinos that are decentralized will begin to reign or there will be a way that casinos will be able to do something to avoid VPNs at least, of course I understand what you are saying, but if the biggest crimes are and have been with FIAT money, the money that comes from crypto is not for them to leave , Everything is bad ,  yes I know You're laughing, but believe me there will be ways that people will want Bitcoin, for now it is at a good price, just imagine that it Reaches $100k there will be total madness , and Something so valuable that out of nowhere it will reach zero for me For now it is not viable, it is not possible, it is like killing the goose that lays the golden Eggs.

What happened is that I say it from the Point of view that such large Institutions that have made large investments in bitcoin and not earn anything, that is something that cannot happen, these companies have not made this tremendous investment to end up at zero , in In the worst case, I think things would have to be handled from a point of view very far removed from what it means to put things in fiat money, or to carry out operations from a country that does have freedom or a tax haven where it does not matter. give so much importance, it is that bitcoin is money, just like gold, like any other action, only that bitcoin cannot be controlled by any government, in fact governments own bitcoin and they can do anything with it, there will be many ways to get money, people for money are able to enter the same deepweb but they do not stay without their money, people when they see that they are messing with their pocket change noticeably, and that is seen anywhere in the world wherever things are handled, for that reason we are always looking for a way to buy bitcoin and buy Bitcoin.

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December 29, 2023, 10:11:35 PM
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Can you name the casino that set up that poor gambler? We must know the name of that "hero". This time they cheated with VPN. Next time they might point on a "no lose bet" or confuse user with depositing on a not supported blockchain. Or say that KYC verification is used in specific cases and immediately ask for it after deposit.

I personally was never asked for KYC in casinos, but I once was asked to pass it to be eligible to receive bounty reward. I have stupidly sent docs, and they were rejected without reason, so I have lost my reward. No one is safe from casinos doing the same. They can ask for KYC to withdraw, then answer with "rejected", send user to re-read ToS and steal money. KYC is useless, unsafe and make no sense.
If you are dealing with a shady casino then expect that there would really be an endless kind of accusations which would be thrown at you on which you would really be rather making yourself that look
you are the ones who had been able to commit out such error or simply they would really be washing up their hands just to make you look to be the ones who commit out such error and would really be patching up on the shady things that they've been dealing with. This is why it would really be always important that you should really be doing your own research well and would be just engaging into those platforms or sites which we do know that they are reputable. Having some research wont really be costing you an arm and leg. It is really just that people are way too lazy.
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December 29, 2023, 11:48:49 PM
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If you are dealing with a shady casino then expect that there would really be an endless kind of accusations which would be thrown at you on which you would really be rather making yourself that look
you are the ones who had been able to commit out such error or simply they would really be washing up their hands just to make you look to be the ones who commit out such error and would really be patching up on the shady things that they've been dealing with. This is why it would really be always important that you should really be doing your own research well and would be just engaging into those platforms or sites which we do know that they are reputable. Having some research wont really be costing you an arm and leg. It is really just that people are way too lazy.

I don't really understand why others still ended up in a random and unpopular crypto gambling sites that is not even advertised here in the forum. Since these users posting this kind of thread here in the forum, I'm expecting them to at least will stick only at those gambling sites advertise here.

Moving forward with the subject, it's like a situation where site are using Terms and Service against their users. There are lots of sites out there that can freely register, make a depost and so on but when it withdrawal time, they will ask about complying with the KYC.

These sites with mandatory KYC should at least put that term right directly at the registration page.
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December 30, 2023, 11:45:52 AM
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I think that's what causes people to not like this KYC because it is too abrupt in asking users to complete KYC at the end of the game instead of at the beginning of the game, of course that is definitely not liked by many gamblers because maybe they don't want their identity to be known just because of a small bet.  Grin

But this is not the fault of the gambling platforms, they are being considerate first by not asking for KYC for a start which is their own way of attacking gamblers and requesting for KYC the moment they started and wanted to make some certain functions which is their own second way of retaining the gamblers to their platforms, now it's upto us to be able to present to them the evide of what they demanded or not.

No matter how we want to look at it, it's not right to say one thing in the beginning and do another thing at last; that's a shedy thing that most gamblers usually do. It's always right for you to update and tell the people that this is what they are going to face in the casino they want to start gambling with. Let me know and decide if they want it or not.
 
Telling someone there will be no KYC of any kind, and you having that in mind before you made your first deposit and you started gambling with them only for you to have a large winning, that's when they start asking for KYC documents. Such behaviour doesn't look okay to me; it's like forcing someone to do what they planned on doing in the first place.

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December 30, 2023, 04:56:12 PM
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Nobody can do something with the Governments. And the countries like El Salvador can`t help - anyway all of us need fiat money for real life. El Salvador can become an offshore like Cayman Islands but for cryptocurrencies. And it will be used by big bosses like mixers.
And the same problem with Tor, VPN, etc. The main problem that we can`t buy everyday things using cryptocurrencies. We have to change it for fiat money, mostly using credit/debt cards. And here the bitcoiner can be caught easily. I don`t work in police, but i`m sure that they have something to catch us even in cryptocurrencies. And anyway when you get fiat money the tax service begin to ask you some questions.
It is just one moment, why i`m sure that BTC can cost nothing some moment.

Well in that sense it is something that we cannot highlight, although I say something, if it happens that people no longer want to do KYC or anything like that, casinos that are decentralized will begin to reign or there will be a way that casinos will be able to do something to avoid VPNs at least, of course I understand what you are saying, but if the biggest crimes are and have been with FIAT money, the money that comes from crypto is not for them to leave , Everything is bad ,  yes I know You're laughing, but believe me there will be ways that people will want Bitcoin, for now it is at a good price, just imagine that it Reaches $100k there will be total madness , and Something so valuable that out of nowhere it will reach zero for me For now it is not viable, it is not possible, it is like killing the goose that lays the golden Eggs.

What happened is that I say it from the Point of view that such large Institutions that have made large investments in bitcoin and not earn anything, that is something that cannot happen, these companies have not made this tremendous investment to end up at zero , in In the worst case, I think things would have to be handled from a point of view very far removed from what it means to put things in fiat money, or to carry out operations from a country that does have freedom or a tax haven where it does not matter. give so much importance, it is that bitcoin is money, just like gold, like any other action, only that bitcoin cannot be controlled by any government, in fact governments own bitcoin and they can do anything with it, there will be many ways to get money, people for money are able to enter the same deepweb but they do not stay without their money, people when they see that they are messing with their pocket change noticeably, and that is seen anywhere in the world wherever things are handled, for that reason we are always looking for a way to buy bitcoin and buy Bitcoin.
There is a buyer and a seller on any market. Same is here. And anyway someone will lose. This is about big money in bitcoin and they can`t lose. Anyway someone lose - and i don`t see any facts why it can`t be bitcoiners. It is good for big countries to use BTC today - they can pay someone, they can move a huge volume of fiat money in BTC and change the price of it.
Possible i mistake, but i prefer to have in BTC money, that i`m ready to lose.

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December 30, 2023, 05:59:12 PM
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I think that's what causes people to not like this KYC because it is too abrupt in asking users to complete KYC at the end of the game instead of at the beginning of the game, of course that is definitely not liked by many gamblers because maybe they don't want their identity to be known just because of a small bet.  Grin

But this is not the fault of the gambling platforms, they are being considerate first by not asking for KYC for a start which is their own way of attacking gamblers and requesting for KYC the moment they started and wanted to make some certain functions which is their own second way of retaining the gamblers to their platforms, now it's upto us to be able to present to them the evide of what they demanded or not.

No matter how we want to look at it, it's not right to say one thing in the beginning and do another thing at last; that's a shedy thing that most gamblers usually do. It's always right for you to update and tell the people that this is what they are going to face in the casino they want to start gambling with. Let me know and decide if they want it or not.
 
Telling someone there will be no KYC of any kind, and you having that in mind before you made your first deposit and you started gambling with them only for you to have a large winning, that's when they start asking for KYC documents. Such behaviour doesn't look okay to me; it's like forcing someone to do what they planned on doing in the first place.

You're right, i will also like to add this as a piece of an advise to gamblers to make sure that they have every possible required information needed for KYC before they started with them because when the time comes for the verification of KYC, some don't even have the proof of every informations required from them, not even access to the contact number or email address used can they be able to provide, which is not right enough from our own side.



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I think that's what causes people to not like this KYC because it is too abrupt in asking users to complete KYC at the end of the game instead of at the beginning of the game, of course that is definitely not liked by many gamblers because maybe they don't want their identity to be known just because of a small bet.  Grin

But this is not the fault of the gambling platforms, they are being considerate first by not asking for KYC for a start which is their own way of attacking gamblers and requesting for KYC the moment they started and wanted to make some certain functions which is their own second way of retaining the gamblers to their platforms, now it's upto us to be able to present to them the evide of what they demanded or not.

No matter how we want to look at it, it's not right to say one thing in the beginning and do another thing at last; that's a shedy thing that most gamblers usually do. It's always right for you to update and tell the people that this is what they are going to face in the casino they want to start gambling with. Let me know and decide if they want it or not.
 
Telling someone there will be no KYC of any kind, and you having that in mind before you made your first deposit and you started gambling with them only for you to have a large winning, that's when they start asking for KYC documents. Such behaviour doesn't look okay to me; it's like forcing someone to do what they planned on doing in the first place.

You're right, i will also like to add this as a piece of an advise to gamblers to make sure that they have every possible required information needed for KYC before they started with them because when the time comes for the verification of KYC, some don't even have the proof of every informations required from them, not even access to the contact number or email address used can they be able to provide, which is not right enough from our own side.
When it comes to KYC matters then it would really be that pertains into those documents and other personal information that would really be asked out.This is why it would really be always important that you should really be that mindful when it comes to terms and conditions on which you should be checking whether they are asking or not or having those threshold or whatever possibilities that they would be asking out for some verification.If you do saw that it is really just that fine then it would be your own jurisdiction whether you would be playing or not on the said platform.
It would always vary into your own preference but of course we should really be that smart that we would be playing into those places which are known and reputable in the first place
so that we would be able to avoid such problems.
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January 01, 2024, 10:49:10 AM
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We here discuss how bad or good asking for KYC is, how fair or not to do it when we withdraw, will it help to fight money laundry or not, but if you would be asked to pass it, will you do it? Will the amount on balance influence on your decision? What is the amount that will make you step over principles and start uploading your document to casino?

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When it comes to KYC matters then it would really be that pertains into those documents and other personal information that would really be asked out.This is why it would really be always important that you should really be that mindful when it comes to terms and conditions on which you should be checking whether they are asking or not or having those threshold or whatever possibilities that they would be asking out for some verification.If you do saw that it is really just that fine then it would be your own jurisdiction whether you would be playing or not on the said platform.
It would always vary into your own preference but of course we should really be that smart that we would be playing into those places which are known and reputable in the first place
so that we would be able to avoid such problems.
Be careful with your personal info on these platforms. Despite its tediousness, read the terms and conditions. The thresholds, verification methods, and data usage regulations are hidden. Your data, your duty!

I only play on trusted platforms. Why? Because they enforce privacy rules and are less likely to mishandle your data. Secure your digital footprint, not just win or enjoy the game. In the digital era, personal data is as valuable as cash!

Be careful when gambling online. Being smart and safe are both important. Define financial and temporal restrictions. Healthy gambling requires self-care and responsibility, not just regulations.

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January 01, 2024, 11:44:21 AM
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We here discuss how bad or good asking for KYC is, how fair or not to do it when we withdraw, will it help to fight money laundry or not, but if you would be asked to pass it, will you do it? Will the amount on balance influence on your decision? What is the amount that will make you step over principles and start uploading your document to casino?
I will mate if I am to answer , KYC for me is nothing if dealing with the sites trusted by me for long time , because once i decide to gamble in a site for sure i gave them my trust so providing KYC will not be be an issue at all cost but this is just me I don't know with others.

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January 02, 2024, 06:30:33 AM
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We here discuss how bad or good asking for KYC is, how fair or not to do it when we withdraw, will it help to fight money laundry or not, but if you would be asked to pass it, will you do it? Will the amount on balance influence on your decision? What is the amount that will make you step over principles and start uploading your document to casino?
I will mate if I am to answer , KYC for me is nothing if dealing with the sites trusted by me for long time , because once i decide to gamble in a site for sure i gave them my trust so providing KYC will not be be an issue at all cost but this is just me I don't know with others.
If we already trust the casino and the casino is a trusted casino, we can do KYC because we already trust it. That is why we have to look for casinos seriously and find those trusted casinos.
By choosing a trusted casino, we can at least entrust our documents to the casino because the casino will take good care of them.
We also have to confirm whether the casino will ask us to do KYC when we withdraw or when we first register because there are still casinos that ask us to do KYC when we want to withdraw. And if that is the case, we must ensure it is a trusted casino.
And if we don't find the casino trustworthy, we don't need to register at that casino because many other casinos are better than that casino.
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January 02, 2024, 07:12:57 AM
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I think that's what causes people to not like this KYC because it is too abrupt in asking users to complete KYC at the end of the game instead of at the beginning of the game, of course that is definitely not liked by many gamblers because maybe they don't want their identity to be known just because of a small bet.  Grin

But this is not the fault of the gambling platforms, they are being considerate first by not asking for KYC for a start which is their own way of attacking gamblers and requesting for KYC the moment they started and wanted to make some certain functions which is their own second way of retaining the gamblers to their platforms, now it's upto us to be able to present to them the evide of what they demanded or not.

No matter how we want to look at it, it's not right to say one thing in the beginning and do another thing at last; that's a shedy thing that most gamblers usually do. It's always right for you to update and tell the people that this is what they are going to face in the casino they want to start gambling with. Let me know and decide if they want it or not.
 
Telling someone there will be no KYC of any kind, and you having that in mind before you made your first deposit and you started gambling with them only for you to have a large winning, that's when they start asking for KYC documents. Such behaviour doesn't look okay to me; it's like forcing someone to do what they planned on doing in the first place.

You're right, i will also like to add this as a piece of an advise to gamblers to make sure that they have every possible required information needed for KYC before they started with them because when the time comes for the verification of KYC, some don't even have the proof of every informations required from them, not even access to the contact number or email address used can they be able to provide, which is not right enough from our own side.
True! Most of the mistakes of the gamblers are that they deposit money and start playing on a specific website without knowing about the KYC. That's why some gamblers may have stock funds on a website because they will pay attention to the KYC if they want to withdraw or if they decide to withdraw their funds, and from that they will know how hard it is to pass the KYC, or worse, they can't pass the KYC because of the information they have or information that they lack and can't provide.

That's why it is important for a gambler to know first the rules and regulations of a gambling site and also the KYC policy of the website to avoid inconvenience and lockdown of funds. I don't know why many gamblers are hesitant to comply with KYC, but they know it serves as compliance for the website so they can operate legally and also to avoid illicit and anomalous activities using gambling sites.

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January 02, 2024, 07:50:34 AM
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We here discuss how bad or good asking for KYC is, how fair or not to do it when we withdraw, will it help to fight money laundry or not, but if you would be asked to pass it, will you do it? Will the amount on balance influence on your decision? What is the amount that will make you step over principles and start uploading your document to casino?
I will mate if I am to answer , KYC for me is nothing if dealing with the sites trusted by me for long time , because once i decide to gamble in a site for sure i gave them my trust so providing KYC will not be be an issue at all cost but this is just me I don't know with others.
Same thoughts. I only play in casino that has a good reputation. Therefore if I was asked for KYC I will do it especially if there's a decent amount involved. Moreover, once you play in a centralized casinos, KYC is already expected to be ask to their customers (sooner or later). One of the reason why we need to read the ToS before playing on the specific casino. So if we don't agree on their rules, we can look for other site where we can play without worries.

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January 02, 2024, 08:23:52 AM
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We here discuss how bad or good asking for KYC is, how fair or not to do it when we withdraw, will it help to fight money laundry or not, but if you would be asked to pass it, will you do it? Will the amount on balance influence on your decision? What is the amount that will make you step over principles and start uploading your document to casino?
I will mate if I am to answer , KYC for me is nothing if dealing with the sites trusted by me for long time , because once i decide to gamble in a site for sure i gave them my trust so providing KYC will not be be an issue at all cost but this is just me I don't know with others.
Same thoughts. I only play in casino that has a good reputation. Therefore if I was asked for KYC I will do it especially if there's a decent amount involved. Moreover, once you play in a centralized casinos, KYC is already expected to be ask to their customers (sooner or later). One of the reason why we need to read the ToS before playing on the specific casino. So if we don't agree on their rules, we can look for other site where we can play without worries.
KYC is now being demanded more and more. 
Allegedly, government officials are fighting money laundering this way.  What exactly is money laundering? 
Money in any form is initially only a means for exchanging goods; it does not have any criminal element.  And so, instead of catching criminals with criminal goods, such as weapons, drugs, human slaves, and so on, law enforcement agencies came up with an easier task to find not criminal goods (which, by the way, is irrefutable evidence of a crime), but an easier task - to paint  the money itself is "criminal".  They, the scoundrels, simply made their work and life easier in this way.  And their whole scam spilled over into banks and casinos as well.  I would also like to note that so-called “economic” crimes simply do not exist.  These are just fantasies of legislators in different countries. 
And as a result, billions of law-abiding people around the world are now being fooled by this crap called KYC.

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January 02, 2024, 08:37:07 AM
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We here discuss how bad or good asking for KYC is, how fair or not to do it when we withdraw, will it help to fight money laundry or not, but if you would be asked to pass it, will you do it? Will the amount on balance influence on your decision? What is the amount that will make you step over principles and start uploading your document to casino?
I will mate if I am to answer , KYC for me is nothing if dealing with the sites trusted by me for long time , because once i decide to gamble in a site for sure i gave them my trust so providing KYC will not be be an issue at all cost but this is just me I don't know with others.
Same thoughts. I only play in casino that has a good reputation. Therefore if I was asked for KYC I will do it especially if there's a decent amount involved. Moreover, once you play in a centralized casinos, KYC is already expected to be ask to their customers (sooner or later). One of the reason why we need to read the ToS before playing on the specific casino. So if we don't agree on their rules, we can look for other site where we can play without worries.

7 weeks ago you have posted completely opposite:

Why would you want to avoid being identified, if you gamble legally and if you are not a criminal? Let's discuss the reasons why KYC are not advantageous for the gamblers and casinos?
Simple reason is because I want to play anonymously. It's all about privacy that the platform is not holding any of my private information because it can leak anytime if there's a data breach. The security of data is often a concern.

That's why if possible, I want to play without undergoing identity verification. However, we know nowadays, many casinos are implementing this for the reasons you have stated (to prevent fraud, age verification etc.) and it's a reality that we need to accept if we want to gamble in legitimate casinos since they're just doing it for legal compliance.

At first you wanted to play anonymously, cared about privacy, was worried about data leak, said that you prefer gambling without passing identity verification. But now it looks like you are first in the line to upload your documents to a casino that has good reputation; reputation that was built on gambling experience, not on privacy experience.

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January 02, 2024, 09:14:10 AM
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Can you name the casino that set up that poor gambler? We must know the name of that "hero". This time they cheated with VPN. Next time they might point on a "no lose bet" or confuse user with depositing on a not supported blockchain. Or say that KYC verification is used in specific cases and immediately ask for it after deposit.

I personally was never asked for KYC in casinos, but I once was asked to pass it to be eligible to receive bounty reward. I have stupidly sent docs, and they were rejected without reason, so I have lost my reward. No one is safe from casinos doing the same. They can ask for KYC to withdraw, then answer with "rejected", send user to re-read ToS and steal money. KYC is useless, unsafe and make no sense.
To my mind, the problem is that casinos are probably forced to ask for KYC documents but at the same time they don't have good AML/KYC officers. Casinos that work internationally have no idea about documents that come from all around the world. For example, I can't provide a utility bill because, in my country, the system works very differently, you might live in a rented house and the utility will go to the house owner. Also, we don't make any official agreement, e.g. house owner rents a house without paying income tax. So, how can I explain that to the casino's support? They always expect things to work the same in every country. They ask for utility bills, which I can't provide and then they deny my verification process. That's why they have to invest more in acquiring knowledge of how things work in each country they provide support in.

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January 02, 2024, 10:08:34 AM
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Why would you want to avoid being identified, if you gamble legally and if you are not a criminal? Let's discuss the reasons why KYC are not advantageous for the gamblers and casinos?
Simple reason is because I want to play anonymously. It's all about privacy that the platform is not holding any of my private information because it can leak anytime if there's a data breach. The security of data is often a concern.

That's why if possible, I want to play without undergoing identity verification. However, we know nowadays, many casinos are implementing this for the reasons you have stated (to prevent fraud, age verification etc.) and it's a reality that we need to accept if we want to gamble in legitimate casinos since they're just doing it for legal compliance.

At first you wanted to play anonymously, cared about privacy, was worried about data leak, said that you prefer gambling without passing identity verification. But now it looks like you are first in the line to upload your documents to a casino that has good reputation; reputation that was built on gambling experience, not on privacy experience.
See the bolded part. What i'm saying is "if possible". Who don't want to play anonymously if possible? But as I have said, if you're playing in a centralized casinos expect this to be asked sooner or later. KYC thing is already expected and sometimes inevitable. So to be clear, I will only do this in reputable casinos where I am playing currently and not just in any casinos that are not trustworthy.

Besides, the thread topic where you quoted my reply is an answer for a question about the specific reason of the gamblers on why they're hesitant to submit their personal information. It doesn't mean i'm not willing, it's just my own reasoning. I still stand to what I said there.

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January 02, 2024, 10:49:59 AM
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I think that's what causes people to not like this KYC because it is too abrupt in asking users to complete KYC at the end of the game instead of at the beginning of the game, of course that is definitely not liked by many gamblers because maybe they don't want their identity to be known just because of a small bet.  Grin

But this is not the fault of the gambling platforms, they are being considerate first by not asking for KYC for a start which is their own way of attacking gamblers and requesting for KYC the moment they started and wanted to make some certain functions which is their own second way of retaining the gamblers to their platforms, now it's upto us to be able to present to them the evide of what they demanded or not.

No matter how we want to look at it, it's not right to say one thing in the beginning and do another thing at last; that's a shedy thing that most gamblers usually do. It's always right for you to update and tell the people that this is what they are going to face in the casino they want to start gambling with. Let me know and decide if they want it or not.
 
Telling someone there will be no KYC of any kind, and you having that in mind before you made your first deposit and you started gambling with them only for you to have a large winning, that's when they start asking for KYC documents. Such behaviour doesn't look okay to me; it's like forcing someone to do what they planned on doing in the first place.

You're right, i will also like to add this as a piece of an advise to gamblers to make sure that they have every possible required information needed for KYC before they started with them because when the time comes for the verification of KYC, some don't even have the proof of every informations required from them, not even access to the contact number or email address used can they be able to provide, which is not right enough from our own side.
When it comes to KYC matters then it would really be that pertains into those documents and other personal information that would really be asked out.This is why it would really be always important that you should really be that mindful when it comes to terms and conditions on which you should be checking whether they are asking or not or having those threshold or whatever possibilities that they would be asking out for some verification.If you do saw that it is really just that fine then it would be your own jurisdiction whether you would be playing or not on the said platform.
It would always vary into your own preference but of course we should really be that smart that we would be playing into those places which are known and reputable in the first place
so that we would be able to avoid such problems.
I agree with you , as long as we need it , any Procedure that has to do with this KYC is Better to do it and quickly, for example, I have always taken that Precaution , I only Complete the KYC with the Casinos that are Firstly Favorites and I follow them. more Reliable , of that I have no Doubt , and they have Manifested themselves in all Cases because I have not had any Problem with it , in this order of ideas things can be very Effective to do any type of things , because we are always in a scenario of games, things can turn out in a good way if and only if we have very good luck and good luck , and whenever this Happens to us and I Want to Withdraw the money , then the fact that we withdraw is Completely Normal so that they do not Put Any type of Restrictions or Obstacles , Because for us it is the best in the world and that is what we must see , there is no other way to do things Better than this, for this Reason we must be People who are Connected with the best , the KYC in them Casinos is Reliable, it is fast and Secure.

I have Noticed that there are some Players who have Problems with this KYC thing because they can do things so well and Quickly , but they are Bad Guys Because they are not as old , they have Changed their Tos and things Probably don't turn out as well as they do, They don't Believe when it Comes to this, because Basically when they are Doing any Kind of thing things can get out of the mnso and a case is not Transparent Enough , they just say that it has to be Deposited and Deposited , there is no notice that says that You cannot withdraw Until you comply with the KYC and many trusting people fall and the most Unpleasant thing is that Some money was Earned and they do not give it to you because you Only have to Deal with that Requeriments , and that is Something that is not good , it is not Viable, and Besides that Casino makes you hate it and they may Say it in an Announcement thread or in a casino Topic , and that makes you lose Customers.


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January 03, 2024, 02:49:25 AM
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Why people are confused that there are no KYC when they register at casino? Why would casino ask for KYC from the start, if you havent done anything yet? This seems illogical to me. People are confused when they asked to pass KYC during withdrawal, but not before every withdrawal they ask for that. If you are in a little profit, imo casinos wont bother asking. But if you turn dollar into a million, then ask for KYC to get some extra time for checking. This looks normal for me.
And what also should look normal to you as well is the fact that, there are actually some casinos where you won't be allowed to make any deposit and play without first passing kyc verification after you have completed your registration.
And if I am not mistaken, I think stake now fall under that same category since they updated their terms and conditions to now request immediate kyc verification from new users, while old users are allowed to play normally and only request kyc verification when they feel like, or wait until the casino ask for it.

And again, In some casino, it is not actually until a gambler wins millions before they request the user to pass kyc verification, some casinos do ask for kyc verification even for the tiniest of profit, most especially, if they are not sure if the gambler won in a legitimate way.

I am more pissed when casinos ask obligatory to turn on 2FA when you withdraw, then all of a sudden favor to pass KYC. I have felt the victim of that several times. You click withdraw, fill all the info, click next and «turn on 2fa» message appears. You turn on 2fa (any my list of 2fa is huge now, requires scrolling all the time), repeat same procedure, click next and your funds are locked for 24h, because you have recently turned on 2fa... To me this looks more unfair then KYC.
Enabling 2FA is an additional security for your funds, so it's better to enable it as it can minimize you losing your money from theft.
As far as the KYC for betting sites is concerned, I myself feel uncomfortable with this, why gamblers have to do the kYC, while betting is still illegal in many countries. Unlike exchange sites that actually require user data because of regulations or to meet their legality requirements.
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January 03, 2024, 02:57:06 AM
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As far as the KYC for betting sites is concerned, I myself feel uncomfortable with this, why gamblers have to do the kYC, while betting is still illegal in many countries. Unlike exchange sites that actually require user data because of regulations or to meet their legality requirements.

there are licenses that support and require casinos to enforce KYC for all their users. the same as those charged by the exchange. I understand this as an effort to minimize the abuse of casinos for negative actions. That also applies to exchanges, right?
It is indeed unpleasant when we can create an account easily and make deposits smoothly, but it is difficult and the process takes a long time when we want to make a withdrawal. because we don't own the casino, and we only play there, we have to follow the rules of the game.

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