[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[arnuschky]

Next question: is is possible by now to change the passphrase of an existing wallet? I am using the command line version of simplewallet...

[jwinterm]

Next question: is is possible by now to change the passphrase of an existing wallet? I am using the command line version of simplewallet...

I think the only way at the moment to change your password is to recreate/recover the wallet files using the mnemonic seed, at which point you will be asked to input a (new) password for the wallet files.

[David Latapie]

- Happy new year/Bonne année/Head uut aastat
- Changing password: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721045.msg8148516#msg8148516
- Forum sucks/website sucks: MEW will announce something soon. Any person willing to help will be welcomed - people who PM core team for proposal on translation, webcoding... will be contacted also "No PM left behind"

[rpietila]

- Happy new year/Bonne année/Head uut aastat
- Changing password: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721045.msg8148516#msg8148516
- Forum sucks/website sucks: MEW will announce something soon. Any person willing to help will be welcomed - people who PM core team for proposal on translation, webcoding... will be contacted also "No PM left behind"

Head uut aastat kõik sõbrad!

[liteon]

Head uut aastat kõik sõbrad!

English?

[MoneroMooo]

Head uut aastat kõik sõbrad!

English?

Nope.

Two more tries.

[Atrides]

Don't you need the XMR devs to figure out multi-sig before integrating XMR into OpenBazaar?

we have been discussed this point with devs and they agreed, that multi-sig is not necessarily at the moment. I do not want to waste time and can start without it, with possibility that people will appear as escrow- /arbiter service. multi-sig will be implemented later.


To clear one point. This is like "crowdfunding" open source project, it is free for everyone, we won't earn something directly from bazaar.
But with Bazaar we will win the real markets and bring Monero into the real life. this will increase Monero's value many times more.

so, your profit will be the increasing times more of your monero's fortune.

I'd definitely chip in for this. Is there a place we can post info and updates where everyone can log-in?

If we will gather a foundation till 6.01.15, I'll post out more detailed plan, the list of backers. we'll organize a closed crowdfunding-backers group on google docs and I'll keep the members up-to-date.

If we won't reach the sum, I'll give all funds back at the same day and close this theme.

[jehst]

Quite frankly, I think OpenBazaar itself is overhyped.

[smooth]

A brief comment on FreeBazaar (speaking individually here, not on behalf of the project).

I donated a small but not insignificant amount to it (a few dozen people donating what I did would make it fly). Of course there can be smaller and larger donations. I also told Atrides I would donate more as milestones are achieved.

OpenBazaar may be overhyped, I don't disagree, but on the other hand Monero not only lacks easy integration with all commerce and marketplace tools, but currently has no tools at all of its own. Something that does ecommerce and works with Monero out of the box can be a big help to the coin. MyMonero has added something big for usability on the end user side and work continues to improve the network itself. We also need to be making these steps on the merchant/ecommerce side as well.

Given what Atrides has already accomplished with DwarfPool and MoneroClub, I believe him when he says he is capable of making it usable and useful.

[Atrides]

Quite frankly, I think OpenBazaar itself is overhyped.

1. Actually, decentralized places are the next revolution level where the markets will climb to.

Now today's platforms (ebay, amazon, alibaba...) dominate, setting their own rules, unprofitable to sellers and buyers. the only thing to do for people is the decentralized way of doing business. OpenBazaar for certain, not overhyped, but the beginning of next time!
especially, because of prohibitions, limits of various countries, departments etc.. such decentralized directions are the natural evolution of trading.

decentralized market is a defence for byuer as well as for seller from the third side.

2. the decentralized platform means a decentralized coin, so that it won't be possible to control from this side as well. Monero is the best, ideal in this conception, better than Bitcoin.
altought, Monero's got disadveantades compared to Bitcoin in its small capitalization, lack of popularity.

3. OpenBazaar itself is not ideal at the moment, in its embryo state from technical side as well as its usability. but with time, with demand and satisfaction, when people will see its benefits, it will be much improved.
OUr goal is creating of a stable secure ground ready for usage.

[aminorex]

Auction sites and retail markets before and since ebay and amazon failed in large numbers.  Whether any given foray into this domain is a massive success is hard to say.  (Truly massive success is unlikely for an unbiased sample instance from any large space, surely.)  What seems easy to say is that some forays will be massive successes, and may in fact reorganize society around them, in the most extreme feasible cases, much as the Internet is doing.

Disintermediation efficiency is a compelling case for crypto.  Ebay, amazon are themselves exemplars of the roaring success which is achievable by means of providing disintermediation efficiencies, but they merely reduced the friction of commerce by an order of magnitude or so.  Fully decentral markets using crypto have the ability to reduce it by two more orders of magnitude.  99% of 4% adds as much value as 90% of 40%, so I think the case that they will be equally as disruptive as those examplars is a pretty good one.  I am sure they are overhyped in some existing context, but in the larger social context I would say they are massively underhyped relative to their potential -- i.e. excessively discounted.

Further efficiencies beyond that are much less likely to be disruptive, as the remaining free energy in the system is much less than the gains produced by the prior generations, so the decentral markets in crypto numeraire are a likely end-game in the race to zero.

[generalizethis]

Auction sites and retail markets before and since ebay and amazon failed in large numbers.  Whether any given foray into this domain is a massive success is hard to say.  (Truly massive success is unlikely for an unbiased sample instance from any large space, surely.)  What seems easy to say is that some forays will be massive successes, and may in fact reorganize society around them, in the most extreme feasible cases, much as the Internet is doing.

Disintermediation efficiency is a compelling case for crypto.  Ebay, amazon are themselves exemplars of the roaring success which is achievable by means of providing disintermediation efficiencies, but they merely reduced the friction of commerce by an order of magnitude or so.  Fully decentral markets using crypto have the ability to reduce it by two more orders of magnitude.  99% of 4% adds as much value as 90% of 40%, so I think the case that they will be equally as disruptive as those examplars is a pretty good one.  I am sure they are overhyped in some existing context, but in the larger social context I would say they are massively underhyped relative to their potential -- i.e. excessively discounted.

Further efficiencies beyond that are much less likely to be disruptive, as the remaining free energy in the system is much less than the gains produced by the prior generations, so the decentral markets in crypto numeraire are a likely end-game in the race to zero.

Or...people like to sell things without getting caught by the middleman or the police. 

[netmonk]

OpenBazaar may be overhyped, I don't disagree, but on the other hand Monero not only lacks easy integration with all commerce and marketplace tools, but currently has no tools at all of its own. Something that does ecommerce and works with Monero out of the box can be a big help to the coin. MyMonero has added something big for usability on the end user side and work continues to improve the network itself. We also need to be making these steps on the merchant/ecommerce side as well.

So what is needed for ecommerce integration ?
- php/python code which talk with rpc wallet ?
- qr code generator for making payment easy ? (we dont have wallet wich support qr code yet).
- command line generator for payement ? (like on poloniex for transferring xmr to there)

list is open feel free to fill it

[pa]

further interest in stealth transactions: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r07hu/whats_happening_with_stealth_addresses/

[smooth]

Or...people like to sell things without getting caught by the middleman or the police. 

That may turn out be true, but also relatively unimportant. Early on you could say the web was the perfect way to distribute porn without being censored by Blockbuster or Walmart, and you would have been correct, but at the same time completely missed the mark.

[generalizethis]

Or...people like to sell things without getting caught by the middleman or the police. 

That may turn out be true, but also relatively unimportant. Early on you could say the web was the perfect way to distribute porn without being censored by Blockbuster or Walmart, and you would have been correct, but at the same time completely missed the mark.

You need an early on to get to the later.

[smooth]

Or...people like to sell things without getting caught by the middleman or the police. 

That may turn out be true, but also relatively unimportant. Early on you could say the web was the perfect way to distribute porn without being censored by Blockbuster or Walmart, and you would have been correct, but at the same time completely missed the mark.

You need an early on to get to the later.

Sure, and porn was indeed an early adopter of the web, including many important scaling technologies that made later uses possible. I'm just saying that the ultimate impact turned out to be much more than porn.

[smooth]

OpenBazaar may be overhyped, I don't disagree, but on the other hand Monero not only lacks easy integration with all commerce and marketplace tools, but currently has no tools at all of its own. Something that does ecommerce and works with Monero out of the box can be a big help to the coin. MyMonero has added something big for usability on the end user side and work continues to improve the network itself. We also need to be making these steps on the merchant/ecommerce side as well.

So what is needed for ecommerce integration ?
- php/python code which talk with rpc wallet ?
- qr code generator for making payment easy ? (we dont have wallet wich support qr code yet).
- command line generator for payement ? (like on poloniex for transferring xmr to there)

list is open feel free to fill it

No, its a lot more than that. Most merchants (except the very largest) don't want to get involved with building much of anything. They want off the shelf solutions that integrate easily with other off the shelf solutions. This requires a lot of pieces to be built, in many cases hosted by someone, supported, marketed, etc. Code on github doesn't by itself do much. The beauty of something like OpenBazaar is that the package is fairly self-contained. You can use a piece of software and start selling stuff.

Other self-contained or modular-but-widely-compatible e-commerce solutions are certainly possible, but I don't see anyone stepping up to build them. When someone steps up to build something that looks to be useful, I say we get behind that.

[generalizethis]

Or...people like to sell things without getting caught by the middleman or the police. 

That may turn out be true, but also relatively unimportant. Early on you could say the web was the perfect way to distribute porn without being censored by Blockbuster or Walmart, and you would have been correct, but at the same time completely missed the mark.

You need an early on to get to the later.

Sure, and porn was indeed an early adopter of the web, including many important scaling technologies that made later uses possible. I'm just saying that the ultimate impact turned out to be much more than porn.

Agreed. My point is that sex is a prime driver of man as is addiction and power and these things will feed an anonymous exchange much faster than any later applications that are driven by much more complex or humanistic ideals. I still remember the day music beat out porn  on search engines--it took many years. No one can predict how xmr or btc driven networks will look in the future, but I'll bet that the one that lets people indulge their appetites anonymously will be more successful than the one that doesn't. Just my opinion devoid of any moral stance.

[netmonk]

OpenBazaar may be overhyped, I don't disagree, but on the other hand Monero not only lacks easy integration with all commerce and marketplace tools, but currently has no tools at all of its own. Something that does ecommerce and works with Monero out of the box can be a big help to the coin. MyMonero has added something big for usability on the end user side and work continues to improve the network itself. We also need to be making these steps on the merchant/ecommerce side as well.

So what is needed for ecommerce integration ?
- php/python code which talk with rpc wallet ?
- qr code generator for making payment easy ? (we dont have wallet wich support qr code yet).
- command line generator for payement ? (like on poloniex for transferring xmr to there)

list is open feel free to fill it

No, its a lot more than that. Most merchants (except the very largest) don't want to get involved with building much of anything. They want off the shelf solutions that integrate easily with other off the shelf solutions. This requires a lot of pieces to be built, in many cases hosted by someone, supported, marketed, etc. Code on github doesn't by itself do much. The beauty of something like OpenBazaar is that the package is fairly self-contained. You can use a piece of software and start selling stuff.

Other self-contained or modular-but-widely-compatible e-commerce solutions are certainly possible, but I don't see anyone stepping up to build them. When someone steps up to build something that looks to be useful, I say we get behind that.

So i guess we are all waiting the mymonero.com API which will ease the integration of Monero in website with some good json-rpc call.

btw Stripe.com just integrated bitcoin transaction in their API we may be ask integrate xmr