[ANN] Syscoin - Business on the Blockchain - LAUNCHED!

[mothermole1]

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

Ok another of moronic posts on this thread. 1. show me an ICO of these KNOWN SCAMS which reached 1500 BTC? Answer is none. So the amount at stake is huge.
2. Trust in the ICO was based on moolah' rep and devs promise of a refund if working product is not delivered. That's is why it sold 1500 BTC. Go check another ICOs running right now. Some barely make past 10-20 BTC. Ones hosted on C-CEX/BITTREX etc are touching 100 BTC with effort.

Now there are bound to be comparison with CRYPTI which raised 750 BTC too. But, the price of IPO was super cheap and ICO investors could dump their coins without loss if they were not agreeable to the term of delay.
SYSCOIN had a pricey IPO and then delayed their launch. People buying are stuck and saying shit like NO REFUND or THERE ARE OTHER KNOWN SCAMS is not going to help anyone. Just refund or put a buy wall and let people exit.

I'll address your points.
1. I'm talking about crypto in general. Refunds are just not part of the landscape. You buy, you take the risk. I know of no other ICO close to as large as SYS.
2. Again, the trust in Moolah should be taken as is. He promised to buy back if nothing was delivered to his terms. Read the fineprint HIS terms. Not yours, not mine, HIS. He set the deadline and what counted as an acceptable level of wallet status. It will reach that and the ICO will be released. People may have mis-interpreted Moolah to mean, if you're not 100% happy with your purchase at any time in the future irregardless of what happens, he will buyback your portion of the ICO. He never claimed such a thing. B uy walls, refunds, they all mean that people can exit without being responsible FOR THEIR OWN RISK.
Moolah and Sys devs are not beholden to anyone who makes a claim after they signed the agreement of the ICO.

The price WILL go down. People are angry. Devs made a fumble. But again, the risk was the shareholder's to bear. I for one am holding my coins as I believe this coin will last.

[Wafel16]

Syscoin is growing, I have heard this name many times now

[awais3344]

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

Deliver and function. There is no talk about the price in this.
Now . we have two possibilities right:

1) the coin is not delivering the promise , a refund should be issued and it has nothing to do with buy walls. And if it's shit buy walls won't help it.

2) the coin was delivered with the features then there would be no refund and the coin is on it's own

PS.
About the so much talked features.
In github I've seen a few pull requests from saffron coin. Quite interesting that both coins where launched on the same day and both have this decentralized market in the blockchain feature...

Somebody double checking this? I'm in no mood for detective work at this hour...

the coins launch time was delayed. then it was forkedtwice. the best hing was moolah should have allowed a refund when the coin did not work at the first time. after two forks. wallet still has to be restarted. and blockchain data deleted before it works again. seriously? should we just acceptthis wallet is functional? search buttons arent working on alias. sometimes marketplace disappears. fuck even the copy features arent working in the wallet. its a total disaster. but we are trusting devs to deliver what was pomised. now if they didnt moolah said they will allow more 48 hours to devs. are those 48 hours over now right?

i have invested in this coin. but truth is truth

[sdersdf2]

the coins launch time was delayed. then it was forkedtwice. the best hing was moolah should have allowed a refund when the coin did not work at the first time. after two forks. wallet still has to be restarted. and blockchain data deleted before it works again. seriously? should we just acceptthis wallet is functional? search buttons arent working on alias. sometimes marketplace disappears. fuck even the copy features arent working in the wallet. its a total disaster. but we are trusting devs to deliver what was pomised. now if they didnt moolah said they will allow more 48 hours to devs. are those 48 hours over now right?

+1

And these are just the bugs you know about.... A management shake-up that puts new hard-core C++ guys with street cred in charge would give the market a lot more confidence.

[Pmalek]

Devs
I think we need in long term:
1) messages;
2) ability to attach message to the purchase (when we accept offer);
3) auctions.

In short term we need error fixing and buy support.
I sure best decision - set buy wall lower then the first stage price.
About 420-450. If someone lost his faith - he can go out with small loses.
And I think it's better to destroy coins from this wall.
It's decrease supply and so calm investors.
Sorry guys, but you make two main errors:
1) go to sleep after launch (you should postponed launch if you can't control it);
2) don't make beta test with volunteers.

I agree 100% with all of this!

[Concentrend]

What was the price for the early phase presale?

460-540sat something like that

https://moolah.io/syscoin

Thank you.

So this is why early investors ask for those buywalls at 465 or 518 sat.

So sheeple, er i mean, ico investors are dumb enough to panicsell and take a loss, but who started the panic? Either a whale trying to suppress the price, or the devs with their 60'000'000 - 80'000'000 coins. Miners could have started the panic but only around 500'000 coins have been mined.

Or the Devs are simply dumping 1% of their premine, so even if we landed in a parallel universe and moolah returns the btc to the investors they would have still made around 100 to 200 btc which is not bad for a few months work, if even that long, creating graphics and copying code and such. Well done.

Or do the POD thing and provide real transparency by providing the address of the other 1% premine 

[fox19891989]

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

Deliver and function. There is no talk about the price in this.
Now . we have two possibilities right:

1) the coin is not delivering the promise , a refund should be issued and it has nothing to do with buy walls. And if it's shit buy walls won't help it.

2) the coin was delivered with the features then there would be no refund and the coin is on it's own

PS.
About the so much talked features.
In github I've seen a few pull requests from saffron coin. Quite interesting that both coins where launched on the same day and both have this decentralized market in the blockchain feature...

Somebody double checking this? I'm in no mood for detective work at this hour...

the coins launch time was delayed. then it was forkedtwice. the best hing was moolah should have allowed a refund when the coin did not work at the first time. after two forks. wallet still has to be restarted. and blockchain data deleted before it works again. seriously? should we just acceptthis wallet is functional? search buttons arent working on alias. sometimes marketplace disappears. fuck even the copy features arent working in the wallet. its a total disaster. but we are trusting devs to deliver what was pomised. now if they didnt moolah said they will allow more 48 hours to devs. are those 48 hours over now right?

i have invested in this coin. but truth is truth

+1. I agree with awais3344, even moolah said they would refund if the coin doesn't function well, how you guys(mothermole1, niothor) ignore the truths, and said refund is not needed?

You guys don't wanna the refund because you sold high? You know other investors' feelings? NO

[Qiuyue201]

This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

[chromosoma]

I just mine and hope we will see something similar to DRK or CLOAK. Sudden  rise  to x20 of previous price.

[john312]

Give us our BTC back!

The terms of ICO were not met!
This is beyond discussion.

Coin failed to launch properly. I agree, none of us agreed on 48 h deadline.
We deserve our money back. Don't be greedy!

[mothermole1]

This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

Show me. In writing. Where it says. All that crap you're claiming.
Where are the god damn written contracts that claim full refund if your are dissatisfied?
Where?

Can't find it? It's cause you, and others made it up in your heads. You sheeple TOLD each other that it was the agreement, not actually what the agreement was set down by Moolah.


Show me the WRITTEN PROOF of your assertions.

[niothor]

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

Deliver and function. There is no talk about the price in this.
Now . we have two possibilities right:

1) the coin is not delivering the promise , a refund should be issued and it has nothing to do with buy walls. And if it's shit buy walls won't help it.

2) the coin was delivered with the features then there would be no refund and the coin is on it's own

PS.
About the so much talked features.
In github I've seen a few pull requests from saffron coin. Quite interesting that both coins where launched on the same day and both have this decentralized market in the blockchain feature...

Somebody double checking this? I'm in no mood for detective work at this hour...

the coins launch time was delayed. then it was forkedtwice. the best hing was moolah should have allowed a refund when the coin did not work at the first time. after two forks. wallet still has to be restarted. and blockchain data deleted before it works again. seriously? should we just acceptthis wallet is functional? search buttons arent working on alias. sometimes marketplace disappears. fuck even the copy features arent working in the wallet. its a total disaster. but we are trusting devs to deliver what was pomised. now if they didnt moolah said they will allow more 48 hours to devs. are those 48 hours over now right?

i have invested in this coin. but truth is truth

+1. I agree with awais3344, even moolah said they would refund if the coin doesn't function well, how you guys(mothermole1, niothor) ignore the truths, and said refund is not needed?

You guys don't wanna the refund because you sold high? You know other investors' feelings? NO

Where did I say it's not needed?
I said that currently there are two possibilities. That after 48 or god knows how many hours the dev come with a solid coin or not.

But , again even if and even if not there is nothing in this about buy walls. And buy walls won't help this coin that was may point.

I'm more concerned with this:
https://github.com/syscoin/syscoin/graphs/contributors
Like a rush to fix it in the last days after nothing has been done for months.

[TheMilkman]

This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

Show me. In writing. Where it says. All that crap you're claiming.
Where are the god damn written contracts that claim full refund if your are dissatisfied?
Where?

Can't find it? It's cause you, and others made it up in your heads. You sheeple TOLD each other that it was the agreement, not actually what the agreement was set down by Moolah.


Show me the WRITTEN PROOF of your assertions.

Just read terms of presale + posts by Moolah.

Pumpers and dumpers sold as soon as possible. Loyal ICO buyers were stuck with coins that are becoming less valuable every day, because ICO failed. We demand Moolah to do the one right thing - cancel the ICO as promised.

[awais3344]

This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

Show me. In writing. Where it says. All that crap you're claiming.
Where are the god damn written contracts that claim full refund if your are dissatisfied?
Where?

Can't find it? It's cause you, and others made it up in your heads. You sheeple TOLD each other that it was the agreement, not actually what the agreement was set down by Moolah.


Show me the WRITTEN PROOF of your assertions.

it was on moolah's page dumbass. they deleted it. it said escrow refund is only possible if the listed 3 features are notdelivered working. something like that. the wallet is a total wreck. and moolah said they will refund. so shut up. sorry that you bought at 800 satoshi. lol

[awais3344]

right now. only the believers are left. we believed the coin and did not sell at the prices. pnd groups bought and sold only for one reason.
most of the investors wanted to buy a product. a working product.
anyways. moolah said already they will refund in any disaster. so no panic for me

[MantisCoinDev]

can i sum up a few proven facts

• dev 250btc buy support is eaten
• devs owns 16.3% of current coin supply
• ontop of the 16.3% premine, devs buy wall(250btc) brought up another 15% of sys (49m)
• devs currently hold 31.3% of current coin supply. (not saying they will dump - just stating facts)
• devs refuse to be transparent and post a simple rich list.
• devs like deleting posts like this, as they are scared.
• i have never had anythig to do with mantiscoin, this username was a joke betwen friends.

Moolah escrow is being a dog act. Terms werent met, refund it buddy. We all know your personally invested 120btc in syscoin (I thought the max per investor was 25btc?) As your twitter confirms this. Why was 95btc over the max allowed to be purchased by you? Are you special? So refunding us would mean you personally loose your investment, wouldnt want to do tht now would we? Greedy fuckers.

[mothermole1]

This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

Show me. In writing. Where it says. All that crap you're claiming.
Where are the god damn written contracts that claim full refund if your are dissatisfied?
Where?

Can't find it? It's cause you, and others made it up in your heads. You sheeple TOLD each other that it was the agreement, not actually what the agreement was set down by Moolah.


Show me the WRITTEN PROOF of your assertions.

it was on moolah's page dumbass. they deleted it. it said escrow refund is only possible if the listed 3 features are notdelivered working. something like that. the wallet is a total wreck. and moolah said they will refund. so shut up. sorry that you bought at 800 satoshi. lol

And was there a time limit specified? Was that AT LAUNCH those features had to be specified. If i contacted my attorney and presented THAT CONTRACT he would say, it was never specified in full, ergo. you signed a contract open to interpretation by the ICO seller.

Still, no one can show me proof of any of their refund assertions beyond the 48 3 feature limit.

I bought at 700, sold at 810. Bought at 600 sold at 650. Bought at 400 sold at 470. Who's the idiot.

[fox19891989]

This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

Show me. In writing. Where it says. All that crap you're claiming.
Where are the god damn written contracts that claim full refund if your are dissatisfied?
Where?

Can't find it? It's cause you, and others made it up in your heads. You sheeple TOLD each other that it was the agreement, not actually what the agreement was set down by Moolah.


Show me the WRITTEN PROOF of your assertions.

See the OP

Q: What's the difference between Sys and Ether?
A: Syscoin is based on well known, peer reviewed codebases (Bitcoin, Litecoin, Namecoin) that have been combined and extended. Ethereum is an attempted rewrite of this in a sense to try and deliver a turing-complete smart contract solution. This is not the same as Syscoin. Additionally:
Sooner delivery of it's presale; Syscoin was delivered on August 16, 2014.
The amount of ether that will be mined every year is dependent on how many they sell during their presale. The more they sell the more that will be mined the year of release, giving a bigger dilution to the already mined/bought coins.
After Ether presale closes you have to wait till at least December/January to see anything; if at all.
Syscoin offered a 100% refund on failure to deliver of it's promised 5 core-features (escrow thru Moolah). The Ethereum team is allowed to use up to 5000btc before anything is even done properly or working and if it is a complete failure not a single refund was offered and no escrow option.

[mothermole1]

This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

Show me. In writing. Where it says. All that crap you're claiming.
Where are the god damn written contracts that claim full refund if your are dissatisfied?
Where?

Can't find it? It's cause you, and others made it up in your heads. You sheeple TOLD each other that it was the agreement, not actually what the agreement was set down by Moolah.


Show me the WRITTEN PROOF of your assertions.

See the OP

Q: What's the difference between Sys and Ether?
A: Syscoin is based on well known, peer reviewed codebases (Bitcoin, Litecoin, Namecoin) that have been combined and extended. Ethereum is an attempted rewrite of this in a sense to try and deliver a turing-complete smart contract solution. This is not the same as Syscoin. Additionally:
Sooner delivery of it's presale; Syscoin was delivered on August 16, 2014.
The amount of ether that will be mined every year is dependent on how many they sell during their presale. The more they sell the more that will be mined the year of release, giving a bigger dilution to the already mined/bought coins.
After Ether presale closes you have to wait till at least December/January to see anything; if at all.
Syscoin offered a 100% refund on failure to deliver of it's promised 5 core-features (escrow thru Moolah). The Ethereum team is allowed to use up to 5000btc before anything is even done properly or working and if it is a complete failure not a single refund was offered and no escrow option.

In what time period? How long was specified by devs and Moolah?
It wasn't.

[thetruth123123]

Give us our BTC back!

The terms of ICO were not met!
This is beyond discussion.

Coin failed to launch properly. I agree, none of us agreed on 48 h deadline.
We deserve our money back. Don't be greedy!

This, no one talked about a 4 day deadline when the ICO was sold.