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September 06, 2014, 05:47:04 AM
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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

Before you all get too excited, I have to be honest and say I am not very hopeful that this community can come together and stop all this nonsense bickering. I find it painful, absolutely painful to be reading all the garbage I see here. And if I cant visit someone's home, then I very well cant help them can I?

So, the first step is to immediately stop all negative talk. Opinions are not so important, facts are. If you have an opionion based on fact, post the fact and follow it with your interpretation. You know, pretend you are a scientist and not a scientologist. [plz no flames from the dianetics peoples, I just use that to make a point cuz of the similarities in spelling but drastic difference in what it means]

I will monitor this thread and if I keep seeing it full of garbage, then there will be no deal.

The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

I am sort of busy, so I give the community some few days to get its act together and put an option fund together. 100% of the staking from this fund will go into a community donation address managed by community representatives.

The sooner this is coming together and the more smoothly, the greater my chance of finding it worth my time to get involved with VRC. I was sad to hear of the Mintpal incident which put VRC in a lose/lose situation and I do want to help, but only if the community can do a 180 degree turn in attitude and come together to put together the option fund.

Now due to the delays in getting this deal agreed to, I am forced to change some details of the agreement. Originally I was going to create some original new tech for VRC, but with the SuperNET structure, this wont be fair to the other coins. That being said, I am having ideas on how to maximize the value of VRC within the SuperNET and as long as the VRC devs are following my advices, then there is a good chance for some very good results.

James

P.S. Now, next year I will have some time available and if you are making some big bounty separate from the above, then maybe I could make some decentralized USD pegged solution for VRC. Basically a bitUSD that is actually using a decentralized system instead of holographic peg without any actual basis. This is what the dev4 deal would have gotten, so I will provide that as an option.

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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

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September 06, 2014, 06:10:46 AM
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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.
[...]
The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

Hi James. SuperNet is certainly interesting but much of what I've seen about it is rather vague. Can you explain to the layman how it will actually benefit VRC to join the SuperNet?

drkman was initially talking about 1,000,000 VRC in outright donantions. After that, it changed to 500,000 VRC that you'll BUY at the current coin value. Now it's 2,684,073 VRC that needs to be set aside for you to buy at the current coin value? Why the drastic changes?

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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

Before you all get too excited, I have to be honest and say I am not very hopeful that this community can come together and stop all this nonsense bickering. I find it painful, absolutely painful to be reading all the garbage I see here. And if I cant visit someone's home, then I very well cant help them can I?

So, the first step is to immediately stop all negative talk. Opinions are not so important, facts are. If you have an opionion based on fact, post the fact and follow it with your interpretation. You know, pretend you are a scientist and not a scientologist. [plz no flames from the dianetics peoples, I just use that to make a point cuz of the similarities in spelling but drastic difference in what it means]

I will monitor this thread and if I keep seeing it full of garbage, then there will be no deal.

The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

I am sort of busy, so I give the community some few days to get its act together and put an option fund together. 100% of the staking from this fund will go into a community donation address managed by community representatives.

The sooner this is coming together and the more smoothly, the greater my chance of finding it worth my time to get involved with VRC. I was sad to hear of the Mintpal incident which put VRC in a lose/lose situation and I do want to help, but only if the community can do a 180 degree turn in attitude and come together to put together the option fund.

Now due to the delays in getting this deal agreed to, I am forced to change some details of the agreement. Originally I was going to create some original new tech for VRC, but with the SuperNET structure, this wont be fair to the other coins. That being said, I am having ideas on how to maximize the value of VRC within the SuperNET and as long as the VRC devs are following my advices, then there is a good chance for some very good results.

James

P.S. Now, next year I will have some time available and if you are making some big bounty separate from the above, then maybe I could make some decentralized USD pegged solution for VRC. Basically a bitUSD that is actually using a decentralized system instead of holographic peg without any actual basis. This is what the dev4 deal would have gotten, so I will provide that as an option.

I wouldn't go so far as to classify a few dozen contributers in this troll-infested hornets nest of a thread as the VeriCoin "community."  If you want to get a better idea of how real VRC community members act then I suggest perusing people's VRC and VeriCoin hashtagged feeds on Twitter because this place has basically become co-opted by a small handful of ill-intentioned malefactors who seem to have made it their top priority to stir the sh*t as much as humanly possibly while the members of the other venues that I've seen (such as Twitter) are much milder mannered and/or to a larger degree, more civilized.

 

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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

What is speculation? Learn your history: not a single case of censorship, not one in history has ended well or in the benefit of thr people. Not one. That is history, proven facts. The opposite of speculation... and, of course, that is in fact BARABBAS' TRADE MARK, yes. The "outright insulting" part is your personal and gratuituous contribution, as usual.

But there's something far more significant on the table by James... and i am sfraid i'm going to speculate now, i believe this community simply isnt ready, nor will ever, for the otherwise best deal it will ever be offered... among other things -sorry James- because, as ststed, there' s actually NO DEAL. What is the time-term for those 5x and 10x? Will the devs do what you say or, as you imply, it will be up to them to mess up the works at their own will? Finally, what happens to the escrowed "donations" when none of the 5x or 10x is met? Way too complicated... and that is not even saying anything about 3 million coins in your posession if indeed -dream a little dream- the 10x threshold is achieved. WHAT CAN YOU DO THEN? Can you dump them and bring the market down to pennies again?

More importantly James, exactly how do you plan on getting to those thresholds? You do know vericoin is just a fork, a copy/paste job for the most part, don't you?
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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.
[...]
The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

Hi James. SuperNet is certainly interesting but much of what I've seen about it is rather vague. Can you explain to the layman how it will actually benefit VRC to join the SuperNet?

drkman was initially talking about 1,000,000 VRC in outright donantions. After that, it changed to 500,000 VRC that you'll BUY at the current coin value. Now it's 2,684,073 VRC that needs to be set aside for you to buy at the current coin value? Why the drastic changes?
before it was just me individually
due to the delays I have to keep it as close to the normal SuperNET structure as I can
I am estimating SuperNET will have 100,000+ users
So maybe cross marketing VRC to this number of users is having some value and this is something I wouldnt have been able to do individually.

Anyway, I have been getting this lukewarm reception from the VRC peoples, so I guess its best we forget about this.
If you do not see benefit of SuperNET, then clearly this makes no sense.

I just wanted to reach closure as I am not used to having deals be taking weeks and weeks. My timeframe is quite a bit faster for biz deals.

So, thank you for you time and I wish you good luck

James

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September 06, 2014, 06:24:30 AM
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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

What is speculation? Learn your history: not a single case of censorship, not one in history has ended well or in the benefit of thr people. Not one. That is history, proven facts. The opposite of speculation... and, of course, that is in fact BARABBAS' TRADE MARK, yes. The "outright insulting" part is your personal and gratuituous contribution, as usual.

But there's something far more significant on the table by James... and i am sfraid i'm going to speculate now, i believe this community simply isnt ready, nor will ever, for the otherwise best deal it will ever be offered... among other things -sorry James- because, as ststed, there' s actually NO DEAL. What is the time-term for those 5x and 10x? Will the devs do what you say or, as you imply, it will be up to them to mess up the works at their own will? Finally, what happens to the escrowed "donations" when none of the 5x or 10x is met? Way too complicated... and that is not even saying anything about 3 million coins in your posession if indeed -dream a little dream- the 10x threshold is achieved. WHAT CAN YOU DO THEN? Can you dump them and bring the market down to pennies again?

More importantly James, exactly how do you plan on getting to those thresholds? You do know vericoin is just a fork, a copy/paste job for the most part, don't you?
VRC is a coin without much tech, devs that are not seeing much value to what I can provide and question my motives, a community that is at each others throats, but it did to a blockchain rollback to totally undermine confidence.

So, this is somewhat like a charity case and I was going to implement a BTSX that wont collapse due to not having any actual backing. That is a timebomb waiting to collapse, so next year when something destabilizes it the market will need a reliable decentralized USD pegged crypto. The value of this is quite a bit more than $5 million marketcap, so I will just put that into some other coin than VRC and cross promote it to 100,000+ users. Also, the coin communities would get SuperNET revenue share proportional to each communities contribution to the overall revenue (either as buyers or sellers)

The main value to VRC is they are public figures so I was thinking of leveraging that, but they keep questioning the value I bring, so I dont really feel like helping.

James

P.S. We can put a 1 year time frame on the options, after a year if the price is not above .0005 for a full day, then the option fund is returned to the donors.

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September 06, 2014, 06:25:36 AM
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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

What is speculation? Learn your history: not a single case of censorship, not one in history has ended well or in the benefit of thr people. Not one. That is history, proven facts. The opposite of speculation... and, of course, that is in fact BARABBAS' TRADE MARK, yes. The "outright insulting" part is your personal and gratuituous contribution, as usual.

But there's something far more significant on the table by James... and i am sfraid i'm going to speculate now, i believe this community simply isnt ready, nor will ever, for the otherwise best deal it will ever be offered... among other things -sorry James- because, as ststed, there' s actually NO DEAL. What is the time-term for those 5x and 10x? Will the devs do what you say or, as you imply, it will be up to them to mess up the works at their own will? Finally, what happens to the escrowed "donations" when none of the 5x or 10x is met? Way too complicated... and that is not even saying anything about 3 million coins in your posession if indeed -dream a little dream- the 10x threshold is achieved. WHAT CAN YOU DO THEN? Can you dump them and bring the market down to pennies again?

More importantly James, exactly how do you plan on getting to those thresholds? You do know vericoin is just a fork, a copy/paste job for the most part, don't you?
I dont dump coins
I HODL long term
by long term I mean years

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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

Before you all get too excited, I have to be honest and say I am not very hopeful that this community can come together and stop all this nonsense bickering. I find it painful, absolutely painful to be reading all the garbage I see here. And if I cant visit someone's home, then I very well cant help them can I?

So, the first step is to immediately stop all negative talk. Opinions are not so important, facts are. If you have an opionion based on fact, post the fact and follow it with your interpretation. You know, pretend you are a scientist and not a scientologist. [plz no flames from the dianetics peoples, I just use that to make a point cuz of the similarities in spelling but drastic difference in what it means]

I will monitor this thread and if I keep seeing it full of garbage, then there will be no deal.

The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

I am sort of busy, so I give the community some few days to get its act together and put an option fund together. 100% of the staking from this fund will go into a community donation address managed by community representatives.

The sooner this is coming together and the more smoothly, the greater my chance of finding it worth my time to get involved with VRC. I was sad to hear of the Mintpal incident which put VRC in a lose/lose situation and I do want to help, but only if the community can do a 180 degree turn in attitude and come together to put together the option fund.

Now due to the delays in getting this deal agreed to, I am forced to change some details of the agreement. Originally I was going to create some original new tech for VRC, but with the SuperNET structure, this wont be fair to the other coins. That being said, I am having ideas on how to maximize the value of VRC within the SuperNET and as long as the VRC devs are following my advices, then there is a good chance for some very good results.

James

P.S. Now, next year I will have some time available and if you are making some big bounty separate from the above, then maybe I could make some decentralized USD pegged solution for VRC. Basically a bitUSD that is actually using a decentralized system instead of holographic peg without any actual basis. This is what the dev4 deal would have gotten, so I will provide that as an option.

I wouldn't go so far as to classify a few dozen contributers in this troll-infested hornets nest of a thread as the VeriCoin "community."  If you want to get a better idea of how real VRC community members act then I suggest perusing people's VRC and VeriCoin hashtagged feeds on Twitter because this place has basically become co-opted by a small handful of ill-intentioned malefactors who seem to have made it their top priority to stir the sh*t as much as humanly possibly while the members of the other venues that I've seen (such as Twitter) are much milder mannered and/or to a larger degree, more civilized.

 
The three VRC devs havent exactly been very respectful to me.
I am only extending a formal offer due to the professionalism of drkman
I have no time to be working with people who dont want to work with me

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
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barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

What is speculation? Learn your history: not a single case of censorship, not one in history has ended well or in the benefit of thr people. Not one. That is history, proven facts. The opposite of speculation... and, of course, that is in fact BARABBAS' TRADE MARK, yes. The "outright insulting" part is your personal and gratuituous contribution, as usual.

But there's something far more significant on the table by James... and i am sfraid i'm going to speculate now, i believe this community simply isnt ready, nor will ever, for the otherwise best deal it will ever be offered... among other things -sorry James- because, as ststed, there' s actually NO DEAL. What is the time-term for those 5x and 10x? Will the devs do what you say or, as you imply, it will be up to them to mess up the works at their own will? Finally, what happens to the escrowed "donations" when none of the 5x or 10x is met? Way too complicated... and that is not even saying anything about 3 million coins in your posession if indeed -dream a little dream- the 10x threshold is achieved. WHAT CAN YOU DO THEN? Can you dump them and bring the market down to pennies again?

More importantly James, exactly how do you plan on getting to those thresholds? You do know vericoin is just a fork, a copy/paste job for the most part, don't you?
I dont dump coins
I HODL long term
by long term I mean years

Like I said James,  this community, unfottunately, is not reafy for this deal. Neither,  more importantly, are the devs. So it won't happen.

For the  record, I am all for this deal as I was the moment it was proposed...
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barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

You give me waaaay too much gravitas, totally undeserved and unrealistic. But, like I have stated many times already since it was first proposed, I am ALL for the deal... which, contrary to what you think is in fact the opposite of what you believe my vote will bring, as you are about to see by yourself.
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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

Before you all get too excited, I have to be honest and say I am not very hopeful that this community can come together and stop all this nonsense bickering. I find it painful, absolutely painful to be reading all the garbage I see here. And if I cant visit someone's home, then I very well cant help them can I?

So, the first step is to immediately stop all negative talk. Opinions are not so important, facts are. If you have an opionion based on fact, post the fact and follow it with your interpretation. You know, pretend you are a scientist and not a scientologist. [plz no flames from the dianetics peoples, I just use that to make a point cuz of the similarities in spelling but drastic difference in what it means]

I will monitor this thread and if I keep seeing it full of garbage, then there will be no deal.

The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

I am sort of busy, so I give the community some few days to get its act together and put an option fund together. 100% of the staking from this fund will go into a community donation address managed by community representatives.

The sooner this is coming together and the more smoothly, the greater my chance of finding it worth my time to get involved with VRC. I was sad to hear of the Mintpal incident which put VRC in a lose/lose situation and I do want to help, but only if the community can do a 180 degree turn in attitude and come together to put together the option fund.

Now due to the delays in getting this deal agreed to, I am forced to change some details of the agreement. Originally I was going to create some original new tech for VRC, but with the SuperNET structure, this wont be fair to the other coins. That being said, I am having ideas on how to maximize the value of VRC within the SuperNET and as long as the VRC devs are following my advices, then there is a good chance for some very good results.

James

P.S. Now, next year I will have some time available and if you are making some big bounty separate from the above, then maybe I could make some decentralized USD pegged solution for VRC. Basically a bitUSD that is actually using a decentralized system instead of holographic peg without any actual basis. This is what the dev4 deal would have gotten, so I will provide that as an option.

I wouldn't go so far as to classify a few dozen contributers in this troll-infested hornets nest of a thread as the VeriCoin "community."  If you want to get a better idea of how real VRC community members act then I suggest perusing people's VRC and VeriCoin hashtagged feeds on Twitter because this place has basically become co-opted by a small handful of ill-intentioned malefactors who seem to have made it their top priority to stir the sh*t as much as humanly possibly while the members of the other venues that I've seen (such as Twitter) are much milder mannered and/or to a larger degree, more civilized.

 
The three VRC devs havent exactly been very respectful to me.
I am only extending a formal offer due to the professionalism of drkman
I have no time to be working with people who dont want to work with me

I can't speak for them but I can guess that maybe they just feel like you're asking a lot for something which they think that they can accomplish on their own as far as the price and the market reach goes.  I don't know.  That's just my guess.  Personally, when I heard that they were considering taking on an additional dev I thought that it was just to speed up the implementation of all the unfinished projects in the Vericoin roadmap.  I really don't know anything about the superNET as this is the first time that I've heard anything about it so I'd have to do some due diligence in order to comment any further on it.

On another note, you might want to put yourself in their shoes for a minute and consider the fact that this entire project, however slow moving it might seem to some of us at times in this fast-paced world of the internet, is their baby so taking on an outsider might not be what they really had envisioned.  I've never even talked to any of them so I don't know what their personalities are like or how they've acted but if I was a programmer and it was my project I think that I might be slightly hesitant as well, especially in light of such large demands.

Anyway, all the best to you whether you come on board or not.  Thanks for the post and have a great weekend.

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September 06, 2014, 06:47:43 AM
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James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential of your technological vision.

Thanks,
Doug
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Wow!  I guess the cat is out of the bag now.

To anyone who does not know what the value of SuperNET is to a coin, I'll point you to do a quick exchange lookup of BBR.  That was the first coin added to SuperNET a short while back.  BBR has went up over 1100% since it was added to the SuperNET just days ago.

If anyone else wants to understand the value of this please read the below thread as BTCD is the core that drives SuperNET.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684090.0


Cat was out bro, prior to these post.
You just happened to not respond to my PM with legit answer.
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barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

You give me waaaay too much gravitas, totally undeserved and unrealistic. But, like I have stated many times already since it was first proposed, I am ALL for the deal... which, contrary to what you think is in fact the opposite of what you believe my vote will bring, as you are about to see by yourself.
look at https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_bbr on the ALL timescale
and take a guess when I announced that it was possible BBR would be added to SuperNET

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
100+ page annual report for SuperNET
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James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential you mentioned.

Thanks,
Doug

I hope you are not added to the SuperNET, for one you guys are not very upfront with the userbase.
The super secret best thing ever announcement was shit to be honest, jl777 already had that in place prior and did not drag it out.
As much as I had hopes for this coin, this super backdoor secret shit is just bad for the business overall.

So please continue with the "we don't have to talk to people about something we can't talk really talk about".  Take a chapter from BTCD and see how no upfront and no backdoor deals go for a coin.
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barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

I think he's here to disrupt this thread and to disillusion potential investors.  I've been saying that for the little bit of time that I've been posting in this thread.  He's like cryptocurrency COINTELPRO and he's here to neutralize VeriCoin as it's a threat to somebody, something, or perhaps even to some other coin.  A few people that I've talked to outside of this thread think that he's probably being paid to spread FUD here and I tend to believe that they could possibly be on to something.

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James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential of your technological vision.

Thanks,
Doug
I am sorry I was too busy to notice how bad things were getting and I feel bad that I probably was partly the cause.
I am glad you are supportive and I hope the community can decide. Either is fine, I honor my commitments, all of them but the not knowing is preventing me from other possibilities.

With the full support of the VRC core devs, then the probability of success goes up a lot. Even if I was a monkey the sheer mass of traffic from SuperNET and the "jl777 effect" would reverse the decay and put the mintpal event in the past. However, without solid follow through, it will be temporary and I am not after any pump. I HODL all the coins, I am sort of a collector and tinkerer, so I would keep coming up with ideas that are best suited for VRC to use as they have a distinct differentiator being public figures.

Maybe they can even be making speeches at all the fancy conferences about SuperNET and this sort of thing will give some amount of credibility to the devs, which is the foundation for a coin's value. I think once the market believes there is a coherent plan to differentiate VRC and build value unique to it, then the 100000+ user base that is awaiting such a feature will firmly establish the return to ATH and beyond. So, of course this is good for anybody with a large stake and HODL for years, like I do.

It seems most here are not even aware of SuperNET https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.0
I predict it will be the second largest crypto IPO ever.
I put this together in one week, including delay caused by the primary ICO host bailing out the day it was scheduled to go live

James

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
100+ page annual report for SuperNET
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barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

You give me waaaay too much gravitas, totally undeserved and unrealistic. But, like I have stated many times already since it was first proposed, I am ALL for the deal... which, contrary to what you think is in fact the opposite of what you believe my vote will bring, as you are about to see by yourself.
look at https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_bbr on the ALL timescale
and take a guess when I announced that it was possible BBR would be added to SuperNET

James, once more, im on board with your deal since it wss first proposed. Now, more so. But, I'm afraid, it will not happen for reasons you have expressed yourself already. As you can see, Doug here talks and talks anf talks ...but says nothing, as usual. ALL he and the other 2 have to say is "I support this deal and I am putting 100k vericoin myself for it". It is my understanding Nosker has already agreed to front that amount himself... maybe he will cortoborate? That's all it would take, nothing more. Not whatever I may say.
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