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September 03, 2014, 12:01:37 AM
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So the whole website showing the current progress and everything that has already been implemented means nothing???  The fact the price is low is something to be concerned about I agree but just because the Devs are not on here every day like most holding our hands and saying everything is ok and giving us updates doesn't mean there aren't any coming.  Like I have heard numerous times, this is still a coin that's being developed whether it's something we see or it's something that is being done behind the scenes and will see once complete.  This coin is only a few months old at best and I cannot possibly imagine how hard it must be to make everyone happy all at once, develop, have personal lives and still have to come here to listen to all this whining non stop about how this or that sucks and how we as investors are mad about the progress or lack of.  Seems the word patience means very little these days but I honestly think that the ones that have it will be rewarded long term.  

I don't know if you ignore the evidence on purpose or are just trying to convince yourself... it's baffling, really. Look, since the coin was released, there has not been any development, any at all, of any significance. 2 deals with third parties that ONLY benefit those third parties (Moolah and the one behind the Visa prepaid card) and, much more importantly, the already widely evidenced -and, de facto, admitted- incompetence of the three devs. It is admitted and for that reason they are looking at what "dev 4" can offer since they are just not capable of even covering the most basic bases of the current coin (working wallet, even a realistic attempt at a multipool...), much less of progress with the project in any technical -or otherwise- way. There's, I repeat, ample evidence of all of this... even now and in the past 2 months, when the devs have had the luxury of vacation tyime to dedicate to Vericoin... imagine what is going to happen going forward when they have many more pressing obligations.

So it isn't a matter of patience at all. It is a matter of, credibly, honestly, taking a deep look at what the project is and where it stands, not patience.
ok gonna try this again... if we can speak as two mature ppl for now...

i understand what your saying and i understand that you've come to that conclusion and are sure about it, but what i really want to know is if you've come to these conclusion ,why do you continue to post here and say those things about the devs etc... anyone who truly believes that should not be invested in vericoin. can u be honest and tell me if your holding a bag and hoping things change so u can recoup and be done with it? or if you actually have hopes that vericoin can be great and are just upset ? i just can't understand your motive..

please try and refrain from being condescending , I'm being 100% neutral right now.
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Hey hey hey fellas! My first post! Smiley

Just wanted to address some of the hyperbole and negativity that I've heard about - coming from these here parts.
I'd especially like to speak with two users in particular - "Barabbas" (I apologize if I spelled your name wrong) and "AltCoinUK".

To you two I say, "Hi!". Just have a few questions for you.

1. I was wondering, I suppose, what issues you two were having with VeriCoin specifically?
2. Are you forming compelling arguments and bringing constructive criticism - if not… why do you feel the way you do about VeriCoin?
3. Do you two currently "hold" VeriCoin? If not do you plan on investing in the coin going forward?

These are genuine questions as i'm sincerely interested in knowing why you two hold the positions you currently do atm.

Maybe a quick summary to catch me up on the back story and how everyone reached this unfortunate place?

Appreciate your time and hope we can start some meaningful dialogue!

Thanx!

Jay Jay
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Hi Jay Jay,

Good to see you here, we met on Twitter already, I appreciated your civil comments there and your above suggestion for a civil dialogue is a very good idea :-))

Since I have been writing here a lot, if you don't mind I wouldn't repeat my posts here again. Would you check my posts of last few weeks by clicking on my name and then click on the "Show the last posts of this person" link please? You will get my opinion, view and answers for all your questions by checking out my posts. Once you gathered the info please let me know if you need any more information. Let me know if you disagree with anything in my posts or if you think my views, statements or conclusions are incorrect, or your view differs from mine. Please don't hesitate to point out any errors in my posts in case if you find any - I am willing to admit if anything were incorrect or inappropriate in my posts. Also, I will be more than happy to explain why my seemingly harsh comments perfectly justifiable in my opinion (and of course in case you are interested in that explanation :-))

Also, since it seems you are concerned about the atmosphere of this thread, I would be interested in your view on the personal attacks and insults targeted to any and even the more civil criticisms in this thread or is that your concern at all? Knowing you, I am sure you disagree with the personal attacks and insults and you wish to address that issue as well.

Thanks :-)))

I hope I'm doing this right. lol (Do I just type below the quote etc???)

AltCoinUK - Yeah I guess I'll have to DMOR using your previous posts but honestly… that's a LOT of work. lol

However I remember browsing this forum once… I don't know… weeks ago and I read one of your posts and actually agreed with a good portion of it - but I haven't followed anything in here beyond that.
* I almost wish I had joined earlier when I first became invested in VeriCoin so I could be "up to speed" on everything - then again… coming in a bit late might be a good thing - for everyone.

All that said… Kaz (I think his name is Kaz - apologize if I'm way off the mark) has made some points that I absolutely agree with.

Many of us ARE indeed "bag holders" - although I almost feel as though that's some sort of AltCoin "slur" towards those who believe in the longevity of a coin.
There is definitely some fanaticism and I've always disliked anything overly biased or extreme - politics or otherwise. There ARE legitimate points to be made on both ends of the spectrum but the truth really does reside somewhere near the center.

Here's what happened… the MintPal hack hurt. (Without getting too conspiratorial - there are others out there with agendas who have had VeriCoin in their crosshairs and unfortunately… still do.)

Yet there's something to be said for being one of the first COMPLETELY transparent AltCoin Dev Teams. With the decision to be SO open… they've allowed themselves to become targets at the same time.

Now a FEW people in this "arena" are fairly extreme in their philosophy of everything being ANON - as well as maintaining the so called "purity" of the BlockChain etc.
The irony though lies in the fact that those same people in the AltCoin Community who have used the "Rollback" as a means to beat the "purity of the block chain" drum… are the same people who - after dumping the latest ScamCoin - trade it all in for a fat profit... in FIAT.

Look… VeriCoin… the coin itself, the economic model, the PoS concept, the features, the community, the IDEA… is still in its infancy. This is the beginning. No one is going anywhere. These guys could've taken off just like SO many other coin "Devs" have.
They didn't.
They haven't.
They do NOT WANT to leave.

They're STILL busting their asses determined to make this work.

It's true - they've made a few mistakes - but remember these guys are scientists and programmers… not promoters. They're not marketeers.
They slice up proteins, code and program at their jobs during the day and then ignore their wives and girlfriends at night - working their butts off creating new code, redesigning UI's and generally concentrating on the future of this coin.

So where do I come in?

I've been watching BitCoin since around $17 per share. I had heard of it before that but completely brushed it off. Even at $17 and up… I was too scared to take the risk. I didn't understand the technology… the entire block chain "idea" was foreign to me.
That said... I still kept an eye on it… even on LiteCoin. I ALMOST jumped into mining but when I heard of all the scams of companies not delivering rigs on time or just taking off with other peoples money etc - I said… "Fuck that. That's a big NOPE."

What I do know is… there won't be just ONE "BitCoin". There isn't just ONE Credit Card, ONE bank or even ONE currency. Will it be VeriCoin? I. Don't. Know. Sort of a long shot right?

Well here's what we DO know about VeriCoin. We KNOW it's an awesome piece of tech. We KNOW the Devs are reputable. We KNOW the long term economic model is sound - at least on paper.
We also know that it had a bumpy start - to say the least - and yet the coin didn't die… and the Developers are working harder then ever.
(I'm not sure people realize how much of a toll the MP shenanigans took on these guys. Not just physically - but morale wise too.)

Imagine ALL that work and effort… gone in an instant. POOF! But then you weigh your options and decide to roll back the block chain to BEFORE the thieves did the hack… effectively SAVING… EVERYTHING... only to be berated, accused and burned at the… stake.
(That was a punny.)

Yet, through all of that chaos, here they are.

I'll tell you this… we're building a real team… with real plans… with real investors and one day that entire MP hack fiasco will be an interesting footnote during the humble beginnings of a long term, successful coin.

So yeah… integrity. These guys have it. A whole bunch of it.
They don't have to do this. They have their hands full already! They're breeding promiscuous microbes with raccoons or whatever it is they do in their laboratories. All THREE Devs are going to be successful - WITHOUT VeriCoin.

So give these guys some elbow room. Let them catch their breath.

I know everyone is "down". It's not a great feeling to see your investment lose "perceived value". Listen. Fuck the market. It's full of scam artists and manipulators. The AltCoin market is an UNREGULATED version of penny stocks.
It is NOT an accurate description of the VALUE of ANY company/product/coin and you should not base your opinions on what others think or say.

That includes ME. Don't take MY word for it. Look at what makes VeriCoin FUNDAMENTALLY different from the other coins economically. Look at the features and the transparency.

Most importantly though - look at the resilience. You want perfect? Good luck finding it ANYWHERE else.

You want hard working Devs with integrity and who really believe in something bigger than themselves? VeriCoin.
You want guts? VeriCoin
You want a team with giant balls, a long term vision and the persistence to see it through? VERICOIN.

The next 6 months will be interesting. We'll show you momentum and heart… and ambition - return the favor and we WILL be successful - together.


- Me. VeryVeriViral. Jay Jay. 38. S/W/M. Enjoys long walks in the dark.

PS - I don't get paid a SINGLE SATOSHI for saying ANY of this. Have an amazing night.


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Hey hey hey fellas! My first post! Smiley

Just wanted to address some of the hyperbole and negativity that I've heard about - coming from these here parts.
I'd especially like to speak with two users in particular - "Barabbas" (I apologize if I spelled your name wrong) and "AltCoinUK".

To you two I say, "Hi!". Just have a few questions for you.

1. I was wondering, I suppose, what issues you two were having with VeriCoin specifically?
2. Are you forming compelling arguments and bringing constructive criticism - if not… why do you feel the way you do about VeriCoin?
3. Do you two currently "hold" VeriCoin? If not do you plan on investing in the coin going forward?

These are genuine questions as i'm sincerely interested in knowing why you two hold the positions you currently do atm.

Maybe a quick summary to catch me up on the back story and how everyone reached this unfortunate place?

Appreciate your time and hope we can start some meaningful dialogue!

Thanx!

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral



Hi Jay Jay,

Good to see you here, we met on Twitter already, I appreciated your civil comments there and your above suggestion for a civil dialogue is a very good idea :-))

Since I have been writing here a lot, if you don't mind I wouldn't repeat my posts here again. Would you check my posts of last few weeks by clicking on my name and then click on the "Show the last posts of this person" link please? You will get my opinion, view and answers for all your questions by checking out my posts. Once you gathered the info please let me know if you need any more information. Let me know if you disagree with anything in my posts or if you think my views, statements or conclusions are incorrect, or your view differs from mine. Please don't hesitate to point out any errors in my posts in case if you find any - I am willing to admit if anything were incorrect or inappropriate in my posts. Also, I will be more than happy to explain why my seemingly harsh comments perfectly justifiable in my opinion (and of course in case you are interested in that explanation :-))

Also, since it seems you are concerned about the atmosphere of this thread, I would be interested in your view on the personal attacks and insults targeted to any and even the more civil criticisms in this thread or is that your concern at all? Knowing you, I am sure you disagree with the personal attacks and insults and you wish to address that issue as well.

Thanks :-)))

I hope I'm doing this right. lol (Do I just type below the quote etc???)

AltCoinUK - Yeah I guess I'll have to DMOR using your previous posts but honestly… that's a LOT of work. lol

However I remember browsing this forum once… I don't know… weeks ago and I read one of your posts and actually agreed with a good portion of it - but I haven't followed anything in here beyond that.
* I almost wish I had joined earlier when I first became invested in VeriCoin so I could be "up to speed" on everything - then again… coming in a bit late might be a good thing - for everyone.

All that said… Kaz (I think his name is Kaz - apologize if I'm way off the mark) has made some points that I absolutely agree with.

Many of us ARE indeed "bag holders" - although I almost feel as though that's some sort of AltCoin "slur" towards those who believe in the longevity of a coin.
There is definitely some fanaticism and I've always disliked anything overly biased or extreme - politics or otherwise. There ARE legitimate points to be made on both ends of the spectrum but the truth really does reside somewhere near the center.

Here's what happened… the MintPal hack hurt. (Without getting too conspiratorial - there are others out there with agendas who have had VeriCoin in their crosshairs and unfortunately… still do.)

Yet there's something to be said for being one of the first COMPLETELY transparent AltCoin Dev Teams. With the decision to be SO open… they've allowed themselves to become targets at the same time.

Now a FEW people in this "arena" are fairly extreme in their philosophy of everything being ANON - as well as maintaining the so called "purity" of the BlockChain etc.
The irony though lies in the fact that those same people in the AltCoin Community who have used the "Rollback" as a means to beat the "purity of the block chain" drum… are the same people who - after dumping the latest ScamCoin - trade it all in for a fat profit... in FIAT.

Look… VeriCoin… the coin itself, the economic model, the PoS concept, the features, the community, the IDEA… is still in its infancy. This is the beginning. No one is going anywhere. These guys could've taken off just like SO many other coin "Devs" have.
They didn't.
They haven't.
They do NOT WANT to leave.

They're STILL busting their asses determined to make this work.

It's true - they've made a few mistakes - but remember these guys are scientists and programmers… not promoters. They're not marketeers.
They slice up proteins, code and program at their jobs during the day and then ignore their wives and girlfriends at night - working their butts off creating new code, redesigning UI's and generally concentrating on the future of this coin.

So where do I come in?

I've been watching BitCoin since around $17 per share. I had heard of it before that but completely brushed it off. Even at $17 and up… I was too scared to take the risk. I didn't understand the technology… the entire block chain "idea" was foreign to me.
That said... I still kept an eye on it… even on LiteCoin. I ALMOST jumped into mining but when I heard of all the scams of companies not delivering rigs on time or just taking off with other peoples money etc - I said… "Fuck that. That's a big NOPE."

What I do know is… there won't be just ONE "BitCoin". There isn't just ONE Credit Card, ONE bank or even ONE currency. Will it be VeriCoin? I. Don't. Know. Sort of a long shot right?

Well here's what we DO know about VeriCoin. We KNOW it's an awesome piece of tech. We KNOW the Devs are reputable. We KNOW the long term economic model is sound - at least on paper.
We also know that it had a bumpy start - to say the least - and yet the coin didn't die… and the Developers are working harder then ever.
(I'm not sure people realize how much of a toll the MP shenanigans took on these guys. Not just physically - but morale wise too.)

Imagine ALL that work and effort… gone in an instant. POOF! But then you weigh your options and decide to roll back the block chain to BEFORE the thieves did the hack… effectively SAVING… EVERYTHING... only to be berated, accused and burned at the… stake.
(That was a punny.)

Yet, through all of that chaos, here they are.

I'll tell you this… we're building a real team… with real plans… with real investors and one day that entire MP hack fiasco will be an interesting footnote during the humble beginnings of a long term, successful coin.

So yeah… integrity. These guys have it. A whole bunch of it.
They don't have to do this. They have their hands full already! They're breeding promiscuous microbes with raccoons or whatever it is they do in their laboratories. All THREE Devs are going to be successful - WITHOUT VeriCoin.

So give these guys some elbow room. Let them catch their breath.

I know everyone is "down". It's not a great feeling to see your investment lose "perceived value". Listen. Fuck the market. It's full of scam artists and manipulators. The AltCoin market is an UNREGULATED version of penny stocks.
It is NOT an accurate description of the VALUE of ANY company/product/coin and you should not base your opinions on what others think or say.

That includes ME. Don't take MY word for it. Look at what makes VeriCoin FUNDAMENTALLY different from the other coins economically. Look at the features and the transparency.

Most importantly though - look at the resilience. You want perfect? Good luck finding it ANYWHERE else.

You want hard working Devs with integrity and who really believe in something bigger than themselves? VeriCoin.
You want guts? VeriCoin
You want a team with giant balls, a long term vision and the persistence to see it through? VERICOIN.

The next 6 months will be interesting. We'll show you momentum and heart… and ambition - return the favor and we WILL be successful - together.


- Me. VeryVeriViral. Jay Jay. 38. S/W/M. Enjoys long walks in the dark.

PS - I don't get paid a SINGLE SATOSHI for saying ANY of this. Have an amazing night.


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Awesome post
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Stealthcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.0 rips VeriSend and VeriSms and claims all others are just copy of their "StealthSend, World's first anonymous SMS Tx!"
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Stealthcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.0 rips VeriSend and VeriSms and claims all others are just copy of their "StealthSend, World's first anonymous SMS Tx!"

One thing I have learned is… you don't attack other coins/people/products. You focus on your own coin/product/idea. There's something ethical about that.

And you don't do it for the money. If your coin/product/idea really is THAT great… all of that will come in time.

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Stealthcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.0 rips VeriSend and VeriSms and claims all others are just copy of their "StealthSend, World's first anonymous SMS Tx!"

VRC already has enough trolls how it is, no need for you to be another.
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Stealthcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.0 rips VeriSend and VeriSms and claims all others are just copy of their "StealthSend, World's first anonymous SMS Tx!"

VRC already has enough trolls how it is, no need for you to be another.

He actually wasn't trolling. He was simply pointing out that another coin is making certain claims.

This is the kind of stuff that we need to work on in here. I understand that there are lots of trolls etc but I think we shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly.

It creates unnecessary animosity.

Let's focus on being positive going forward and thinking before we post - effectively taming our impulses a bit.

*Edit - Also… I just want to point out… the MOST EFFECTIVE, MOST POWERFUL TOOL you possess, with regards to trolling or ignorance, is to IGNORE them. Completely.

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Stealthcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.0 rips VeriSend and VeriSms and claims all others are just copy of their "StealthSend, World's first anonymous SMS Tx!"

VRC already has enough trolls how it is, no need for you to be another.

He actually wasn't trolling. He was simply pointing out that another coin is making certain claims.

This is the kind of stuff that we need to work on in here. I understand that there are lots of trolls etc but I think we shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly.

It creates unnecessary animosity.

Let's focus on being positive going forward and thinking before we post - effectively taming our impulses a bit.

*Edit - Also… I just want to point out… the MOST EFFECTIVE, MOST POWERFUL TOOL you possess, with regards to trolling or ignorance, is to IGNORE them. Completely.

Smiley

He is a troll that is doing nothing but trying to stir up shit.
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Stealthcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.0 rips VeriSend and VeriSms and claims all others are just copy of their "StealthSend, World's first anonymous SMS Tx!"

StealthSend is still on target to be released at the end of September. To protect our IP, we are pushing back the whitepaper to about 5 days before that time.

Wait, so vericoin copied something that was never released? How does that work?

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::whistling innocently...::



Why… THAT... certainly looks like a REALLY PROFESSIONAL forum that I would REALLY love to visit when it REALLY opens……………………..

Heh heh.

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*Edit - I like the kid. Nice touch. VeriCoin is for the children! Cheesy

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Why… THAT... certainly looks like a REALLY PROFESSIONAL forum that I would REALLY love to visit when it REALLY opens……………………..

Heh heh.

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Stealthcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.0 rips VeriSend and VeriSms and claims all others are just copy of their "StealthSend, World's first anonymous SMS Tx!"

StealthSend is still on target to be released at the end of September. To protect our IP, we are pushing back the whitepaper to about 5 days before that time.

Wait, so vericoin copied something that was never released? How does that work?

Well to be honest I've seen the same claims by them. It's BS by them to hype their coin.

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Stealthcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.0 rips VeriSend and VeriSms and claims all others are just copy of their "StealthSend, World's first anonymous SMS Tx!"

StealthSend is still on target to be released at the end of September. To protect our IP, we are pushing back the whitepaper to about 5 days before that time.

Wait, so vericoin copied something that was never released? How does that work?

Everyone just stop.

If they release the features that they are advertising (and nobody else releases those features sooner), they may indeed be the first to have an encrypted and/or anonymous SMS Tx feature. Good for them for taking the ball and rolling with it, I say.

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FurianSun and CoinStarX are trolls and fudsters from librexcoin community who are trying incite fighting between other communities.
They are retarded kids.
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So... If we ever get our own Official VeriCoin Community Forums ::cough::, maybe they'll have a slick media gallery that allows members to upload and share images, photos, memes, videos, etc...


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So... If we ever get our own Official VeriCoin Community Forums ::cough::, maybe they'll have a slick media gallery that allows members to upload and share images, photos, memes, videos, etc...



I like that idea, Scott.

Perhaps they could also have contests for the best images, photos, memes, videos, etc., where the top submissions in each category get a few VRC (as an incentive for people to create them).

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So... If we ever get our own Official VeriCoin Community Forums ::cough::, maybe they'll have a slick media gallery that allows members to upload and share images, photos, memes, videos, etc...[...]

I like that idea, Scott.

Perhaps they could also have contests for the best images, photos, memes, videos, etc., where the top submissions in each category get a few VRC (as an incentive for people to create them).

That should be pretty easy to implement since there is (in theory ::cough:: ) a rating system for the media uploads.

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September 03, 2014, 03:02:17 AM
 #14960

I tweeted Vericoin, Effects and Patrick but no response maybe ill get one here....Its been a minute I think its time for another google hangout.  Just curious bout the potential 4th developer, teaser of what there working on and just general stuff.... I know the last few weeks of summer people want to get out and enjoy it but its time to get to work and see whats in store.  Am I wrong in wanting this who's with me?!?!


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