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September 06, 2014, 04:11:15 AM
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What the fuck happen to veritalk.info, its   the end we must abbandon theship!!!!

Did not seem to be as an official forum as I had once believed, it has been for sale since July https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=685348.0

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September 06, 2014, 04:47:51 AM
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What the fuck happen to veritalk.info, its   the end we must abbandon theship!!!!

Did not seem to be as an official forum as I had once believed, it has been for sale since July https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=685348.0

Reddit and Twitter and IRC currently only places to go for Vericoin discussion.

The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

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September 06, 2014, 05:05:21 AM
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What the fuck happen to veritalk.info, its   the end we must abbandon theship!!!!

Did not seem to be as an official forum as I had once believed, it has been for sale since July https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=685348.0

Reddit and Twitter and IRC currently only places to go for Vericoin discussion.

The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

And Scott, there's no turning of leaves. I have always helped those seeking help genuinely... as opposed to everyone rlse on this thread that are quick with the venom but nevrr, ever at thr ready to help anyone, new or not. It's past time yhat the vipers go to their natural nest and let thr free pastures to those deserving of them.
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as for my clothing brand website, it will not have the vrc logo/banner until this thread is closed for those specific reasons.. i have no problem with people arguing/debating but when ppl like altcoinUK literally misinform and spreads rumours to create hate or be malicious ,and looks to have been hijacked by people who just want to kill vericoin, is simply undoable to lead ppl from my site to here... i also am a manufacturer for private labels (we manufacture jeans etc for brands that don't have the knowledge of making them) so my "brand" is just a branch from my actual company.

call me a cheerleader call me a bag holder, that i have no problem with but you bashing the creators of this coin cause they don't talk to you on the phone with updates every 3 days to keep your life savings growing or calling people who told u to "eat a dick" homophobes (LOL) is rather pathetic and low and looks to me like your grasping at anything u can to justify your actions...

don't ask me to post my website and or my personal info again cause it won't happen until this thread is closed. i have no problem letting my customers see all this childish fighting ,but the bashing of the creators of vericoin and false accusations and misinformation of theft and or plans on scamming people through irc is something i will NOT condone...

I'm not trying to start a fight with you here but to say you won't post Vericoin on your website until this forum is closed down is stupid threat. Vericoin is a software to exchange money, like any other digital currency. You won't associate your company with this software because there is a thread somewhere out there on the internet where people post: good, bad, funny, stupid things about the product. Really? So I'm assuming you also don't accept Paypal because I could link you to 100 websites where people say FAR worse things about Paypal than Vericoin. You also probably don't accept Visa or American Express - because again... can't have a single website out there where people are talking shit about the payment processor.

You do realize just because you post a banner on your website that says "Vericoin Accepted Here" doesn't mean people will directly go to this forum and read all the posts. I have on my site "Proud supporter of Vericoin community" underneath a vericoin accepted here banner and it hyperlinks to vericoin.info.

Also last point - you still have so few customers that even would use bitcoin, nevertheless vericoin - none if it would even really matter at this time.
no no..no need for fighting i won't fight with you, your comments are legit... again though your comparing companies that are already trusted (paypal,visa etc) vericoin isn't even close to that point so for my brand to represent a crypto currency like vericoin ,yes this thread is a problem (for me at least)

And please ...this is no threat I'm simply stating my thoughts on having the "vericoin banner" on my site... I'm sure not many ppl care rather i do or don't, so it would be a meaningless threat.. these are my legitimate concerns before associating my brand with vericoin...simple as that.

You don't have to agree with the way i make business decisions.  
just would also like to add.. the decision to wait to have the vericoin banner on our site was my brothers ,who knows just the basics of how crypto currencies work, so this is a persons reaction from outside the crypto world and strictly a merchant... so i saw first hand how this thread does effect merchants decisions, who want to reach a different market (crypto enthusiasts)

Please ignore altcoinUK's troll post above mine. I can completely understand where the decision would come in NOT putting a vericoin banner on your website. Like I said in my post above I don't really think it would matter 1 way or another really. Even having a "bitcoin accepted here" sign and accepting bitcoin really doesn't do much for any website.

If things change in the future there is nothing wrong with adding the banner later. If you break it all down right now 75% of all Vericoin are held in the top 100 wallets. So that's telling me less than 100 people in the entire world even have enough Vericoin to spend, plus it's not like anyone holding Vericoin are really trying to spend it right now.

So yeah - I mean I get what you're saying where Vericoin != Paypal but at the same time you can't hide from certain opinions certain people have on an idea/topic. It's the way freedom of speech works.

Yep: less than 100. Including the devs... a bit of reflection with a critical mind will give anyone all the answers needed with respect to the (non existent) future of this project. It's a very strong and generous community. With a dozen deranged yahoos and three totally incompetent devs... Not nearly enough to create a future. Not even enough to keep the price at these levels for much longer. A slow and veri painful path ahead indeed.
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September 06, 2014, 05:30:14 AM
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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

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September 06, 2014, 05:42:42 AM
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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.
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September 06, 2014, 05:47:04 AM
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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

Before you all get too excited, I have to be honest and say I am not very hopeful that this community can come together and stop all this nonsense bickering. I find it painful, absolutely painful to be reading all the garbage I see here. And if I cant visit someone's home, then I very well cant help them can I?

So, the first step is to immediately stop all negative talk. Opinions are not so important, facts are. If you have an opionion based on fact, post the fact and follow it with your interpretation. You know, pretend you are a scientist and not a scientologist. [plz no flames from the dianetics peoples, I just use that to make a point cuz of the similarities in spelling but drastic difference in what it means]

I will monitor this thread and if I keep seeing it full of garbage, then there will be no deal.

The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

I am sort of busy, so I give the community some few days to get its act together and put an option fund together. 100% of the staking from this fund will go into a community donation address managed by community representatives.

The sooner this is coming together and the more smoothly, the greater my chance of finding it worth my time to get involved with VRC. I was sad to hear of the Mintpal incident which put VRC in a lose/lose situation and I do want to help, but only if the community can do a 180 degree turn in attitude and come together to put together the option fund.

Now due to the delays in getting this deal agreed to, I am forced to change some details of the agreement. Originally I was going to create some original new tech for VRC, but with the SuperNET structure, this wont be fair to the other coins. That being said, I am having ideas on how to maximize the value of VRC within the SuperNET and as long as the VRC devs are following my advices, then there is a good chance for some very good results.

James

P.S. Now, next year I will have some time available and if you are making some big bounty separate from the above, then maybe I could make some decentralized USD pegged solution for VRC. Basically a bitUSD that is actually using a decentralized system instead of holographic peg without any actual basis. This is what the dev4 deal would have gotten, so I will provide that as an option.

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September 06, 2014, 05:50:50 AM
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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

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September 06, 2014, 06:10:46 AM
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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.
[...]
The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

Hi James. SuperNet is certainly interesting but much of what I've seen about it is rather vague. Can you explain to the layman how it will actually benefit VRC to join the SuperNet?

drkman was initially talking about 1,000,000 VRC in outright donantions. After that, it changed to 500,000 VRC that you'll BUY at the current coin value. Now it's 2,684,073 VRC that needs to be set aside for you to buy at the current coin value? Why the drastic changes?

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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

Before you all get too excited, I have to be honest and say I am not very hopeful that this community can come together and stop all this nonsense bickering. I find it painful, absolutely painful to be reading all the garbage I see here. And if I cant visit someone's home, then I very well cant help them can I?

So, the first step is to immediately stop all negative talk. Opinions are not so important, facts are. If you have an opionion based on fact, post the fact and follow it with your interpretation. You know, pretend you are a scientist and not a scientologist. [plz no flames from the dianetics peoples, I just use that to make a point cuz of the similarities in spelling but drastic difference in what it means]

I will monitor this thread and if I keep seeing it full of garbage, then there will be no deal.

The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

I am sort of busy, so I give the community some few days to get its act together and put an option fund together. 100% of the staking from this fund will go into a community donation address managed by community representatives.

The sooner this is coming together and the more smoothly, the greater my chance of finding it worth my time to get involved with VRC. I was sad to hear of the Mintpal incident which put VRC in a lose/lose situation and I do want to help, but only if the community can do a 180 degree turn in attitude and come together to put together the option fund.

Now due to the delays in getting this deal agreed to, I am forced to change some details of the agreement. Originally I was going to create some original new tech for VRC, but with the SuperNET structure, this wont be fair to the other coins. That being said, I am having ideas on how to maximize the value of VRC within the SuperNET and as long as the VRC devs are following my advices, then there is a good chance for some very good results.

James

P.S. Now, next year I will have some time available and if you are making some big bounty separate from the above, then maybe I could make some decentralized USD pegged solution for VRC. Basically a bitUSD that is actually using a decentralized system instead of holographic peg without any actual basis. This is what the dev4 deal would have gotten, so I will provide that as an option.

I wouldn't go so far as to classify a few dozen contributers in this troll-infested hornets nest of a thread as the VeriCoin "community."  If you want to get a better idea of how real VRC community members act then I suggest perusing people's VRC and VeriCoin hashtagged feeds on Twitter because this place has basically become co-opted by a small handful of ill-intentioned malefactors who seem to have made it their top priority to stir the sh*t as much as humanly possibly while the members of the other venues that I've seen (such as Twitter) are much milder mannered and/or to a larger degree, more civilized.

 

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September 06, 2014, 06:16:27 AM
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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

What is speculation? Learn your history: not a single case of censorship, not one in history has ended well or in the benefit of thr people. Not one. That is history, proven facts. The opposite of speculation... and, of course, that is in fact BARABBAS' TRADE MARK, yes. The "outright insulting" part is your personal and gratuituous contribution, as usual.

But there's something far more significant on the table by James... and i am sfraid i'm going to speculate now, i believe this community simply isnt ready, nor will ever, for the otherwise best deal it will ever be offered... among other things -sorry James- because, as ststed, there' s actually NO DEAL. What is the time-term for those 5x and 10x? Will the devs do what you say or, as you imply, it will be up to them to mess up the works at their own will? Finally, what happens to the escrowed "donations" when none of the 5x or 10x is met? Way too complicated... and that is not even saying anything about 3 million coins in your posession if indeed -dream a little dream- the 10x threshold is achieved. WHAT CAN YOU DO THEN? Can you dump them and bring the market down to pennies again?

More importantly James, exactly how do you plan on getting to those thresholds? You do know vericoin is just a fork, a copy/paste job for the most part, don't you?
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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.
[...]
The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

Hi James. SuperNet is certainly interesting but much of what I've seen about it is rather vague. Can you explain to the layman how it will actually benefit VRC to join the SuperNet?

drkman was initially talking about 1,000,000 VRC in outright donantions. After that, it changed to 500,000 VRC that you'll BUY at the current coin value. Now it's 2,684,073 VRC that needs to be set aside for you to buy at the current coin value? Why the drastic changes?
before it was just me individually
due to the delays I have to keep it as close to the normal SuperNET structure as I can
I am estimating SuperNET will have 100,000+ users
So maybe cross marketing VRC to this number of users is having some value and this is something I wouldnt have been able to do individually.

Anyway, I have been getting this lukewarm reception from the VRC peoples, so I guess its best we forget about this.
If you do not see benefit of SuperNET, then clearly this makes no sense.

I just wanted to reach closure as I am not used to having deals be taking weeks and weeks. My timeframe is quite a bit faster for biz deals.

So, thank you for you time and I wish you good luck

James

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September 06, 2014, 06:24:30 AM
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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

What is speculation? Learn your history: not a single case of censorship, not one in history has ended well or in the benefit of thr people. Not one. That is history, proven facts. The opposite of speculation... and, of course, that is in fact BARABBAS' TRADE MARK, yes. The "outright insulting" part is your personal and gratuituous contribution, as usual.

But there's something far more significant on the table by James... and i am sfraid i'm going to speculate now, i believe this community simply isnt ready, nor will ever, for the otherwise best deal it will ever be offered... among other things -sorry James- because, as ststed, there' s actually NO DEAL. What is the time-term for those 5x and 10x? Will the devs do what you say or, as you imply, it will be up to them to mess up the works at their own will? Finally, what happens to the escrowed "donations" when none of the 5x or 10x is met? Way too complicated... and that is not even saying anything about 3 million coins in your posession if indeed -dream a little dream- the 10x threshold is achieved. WHAT CAN YOU DO THEN? Can you dump them and bring the market down to pennies again?

More importantly James, exactly how do you plan on getting to those thresholds? You do know vericoin is just a fork, a copy/paste job for the most part, don't you?
VRC is a coin without much tech, devs that are not seeing much value to what I can provide and question my motives, a community that is at each others throats, but it did to a blockchain rollback to totally undermine confidence.

So, this is somewhat like a charity case and I was going to implement a BTSX that wont collapse due to not having any actual backing. That is a timebomb waiting to collapse, so next year when something destabilizes it the market will need a reliable decentralized USD pegged crypto. The value of this is quite a bit more than $5 million marketcap, so I will just put that into some other coin than VRC and cross promote it to 100,000+ users. Also, the coin communities would get SuperNET revenue share proportional to each communities contribution to the overall revenue (either as buyers or sellers)

The main value to VRC is they are public figures so I was thinking of leveraging that, but they keep questioning the value I bring, so I dont really feel like helping.

James

P.S. We can put a 1 year time frame on the options, after a year if the price is not above .0005 for a full day, then the option fund is returned to the donors.

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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

What is speculation? Learn your history: not a single case of censorship, not one in history has ended well or in the benefit of thr people. Not one. That is history, proven facts. The opposite of speculation... and, of course, that is in fact BARABBAS' TRADE MARK, yes. The "outright insulting" part is your personal and gratuituous contribution, as usual.

But there's something far more significant on the table by James... and i am sfraid i'm going to speculate now, i believe this community simply isnt ready, nor will ever, for the otherwise best deal it will ever be offered... among other things -sorry James- because, as ststed, there' s actually NO DEAL. What is the time-term for those 5x and 10x? Will the devs do what you say or, as you imply, it will be up to them to mess up the works at their own will? Finally, what happens to the escrowed "donations" when none of the 5x or 10x is met? Way too complicated... and that is not even saying anything about 3 million coins in your posession if indeed -dream a little dream- the 10x threshold is achieved. WHAT CAN YOU DO THEN? Can you dump them and bring the market down to pennies again?

More importantly James, exactly how do you plan on getting to those thresholds? You do know vericoin is just a fork, a copy/paste job for the most part, don't you?
I dont dump coins
I HODL long term
by long term I mean years

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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

Before you all get too excited, I have to be honest and say I am not very hopeful that this community can come together and stop all this nonsense bickering. I find it painful, absolutely painful to be reading all the garbage I see here. And if I cant visit someone's home, then I very well cant help them can I?

So, the first step is to immediately stop all negative talk. Opinions are not so important, facts are. If you have an opionion based on fact, post the fact and follow it with your interpretation. You know, pretend you are a scientist and not a scientologist. [plz no flames from the dianetics peoples, I just use that to make a point cuz of the similarities in spelling but drastic difference in what it means]

I will monitor this thread and if I keep seeing it full of garbage, then there will be no deal.

The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

I am sort of busy, so I give the community some few days to get its act together and put an option fund together. 100% of the staking from this fund will go into a community donation address managed by community representatives.

The sooner this is coming together and the more smoothly, the greater my chance of finding it worth my time to get involved with VRC. I was sad to hear of the Mintpal incident which put VRC in a lose/lose situation and I do want to help, but only if the community can do a 180 degree turn in attitude and come together to put together the option fund.

Now due to the delays in getting this deal agreed to, I am forced to change some details of the agreement. Originally I was going to create some original new tech for VRC, but with the SuperNET structure, this wont be fair to the other coins. That being said, I am having ideas on how to maximize the value of VRC within the SuperNET and as long as the VRC devs are following my advices, then there is a good chance for some very good results.

James

P.S. Now, next year I will have some time available and if you are making some big bounty separate from the above, then maybe I could make some decentralized USD pegged solution for VRC. Basically a bitUSD that is actually using a decentralized system instead of holographic peg without any actual basis. This is what the dev4 deal would have gotten, so I will provide that as an option.

I wouldn't go so far as to classify a few dozen contributers in this troll-infested hornets nest of a thread as the VeriCoin "community."  If you want to get a better idea of how real VRC community members act then I suggest perusing people's VRC and VeriCoin hashtagged feeds on Twitter because this place has basically become co-opted by a small handful of ill-intentioned malefactors who seem to have made it their top priority to stir the sh*t as much as humanly possibly while the members of the other venues that I've seen (such as Twitter) are much milder mannered and/or to a larger degree, more civilized.

 
The three VRC devs havent exactly been very respectful to me.
I am only extending a formal offer due to the professionalism of drkman
I have no time to be working with people who dont want to work with me

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September 06, 2014, 06:30:36 AM
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barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

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September 06, 2014, 06:35:11 AM
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The Official Community Forums are almost ready:

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

These new forums belong to the community and multiple community members have full root access to the web host and forum software. As one of the aforementioned community members, you have my word that I will not go completely freakin' mental and try to hold the forums for ransom. Smiley

Of course not. No one with an iota of critical thinking will ever go to that chorus of cheerleaders, nest.

But thrre will be still a place that everyonr that really want to find out the truth and be free to express opinions, troll or whaterver, with total freedom, can and will visit instead.  The new censored forum will have the same rffect that in the case of blsckcoin: a slow elephant walk towards final resting place.

People who are capable of expressing their opinions without being derogatory and insulting towards others will be encouraged to do so in the new forums, regardless of whether or not they support the coin. If a user speaks out against VeriCoin on the Official Forums and ends up having his post deleted, it will not be because of the fact that he spoke out against the coin; it will likely be because he was unable to express his thoughts without attacking someone in the process. Likewise, a community member who supports the coin but insults and attacks those who don't will end up getting smacked with the ban hammer just as quickly.

Conduct yourself like a responsible and respectable adult on the Official Forums and you may find yourself surprised at what you're able to say without triggering a warning.

That is always the pretense... and never, ever,, the truth. But don't worry you won't ever have the power to warn me, so go ahead and have your little deserted playground where no one will evrr have anything remotely truthful to say or read. And lets see how wonderful yhat is going to be for the project... i mysekf have seem the movie before and know very well how it ends.

Blatant speculation and outright insulting; classic Barabbas. Smiley

What is speculation? Learn your history: not a single case of censorship, not one in history has ended well or in the benefit of thr people. Not one. That is history, proven facts. The opposite of speculation... and, of course, that is in fact BARABBAS' TRADE MARK, yes. The "outright insulting" part is your personal and gratuituous contribution, as usual.

But there's something far more significant on the table by James... and i am sfraid i'm going to speculate now, i believe this community simply isnt ready, nor will ever, for the otherwise best deal it will ever be offered... among other things -sorry James- because, as ststed, there' s actually NO DEAL. What is the time-term for those 5x and 10x? Will the devs do what you say or, as you imply, it will be up to them to mess up the works at their own will? Finally, what happens to the escrowed "donations" when none of the 5x or 10x is met? Way too complicated... and that is not even saying anything about 3 million coins in your posession if indeed -dream a little dream- the 10x threshold is achieved. WHAT CAN YOU DO THEN? Can you dump them and bring the market down to pennies again?

More importantly James, exactly how do you plan on getting to those thresholds? You do know vericoin is just a fork, a copy/paste job for the most part, don't you?
I dont dump coins
I HODL long term
by long term I mean years

Like I said James,  this community, unfottunately, is not reafy for this deal. Neither,  more importantly, are the devs. So it won't happen.

For the  record, I am all for this deal as I was the moment it was proposed...
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barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

You give me waaaay too much gravitas, totally undeserved and unrealistic. But, like I have stated many times already since it was first proposed, I am ALL for the deal... which, contrary to what you think is in fact the opposite of what you believe my vote will bring, as you are about to see by yourself.
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Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

Before you all get too excited, I have to be honest and say I am not very hopeful that this community can come together and stop all this nonsense bickering. I find it painful, absolutely painful to be reading all the garbage I see here. And if I cant visit someone's home, then I very well cant help them can I?

So, the first step is to immediately stop all negative talk. Opinions are not so important, facts are. If you have an opionion based on fact, post the fact and follow it with your interpretation. You know, pretend you are a scientist and not a scientologist. [plz no flames from the dianetics peoples, I just use that to make a point cuz of the similarities in spelling but drastic difference in what it means]

I will monitor this thread and if I keep seeing it full of garbage, then there will be no deal.

The other condition is that the community needs to get 10% of VRC in an option fund. When the VRC price goes to 0.0005 and stays above that for a full day on coinmarketcap, I will buy half the option fund at a price of 0.0001 BTC. When the VRC price goes to 0.001 BTC, I will buy the rest at the price of 0.0001 BTC. This is right at current market price and a bit above the recent prices, so what this means is that it will be like you sold it now, but only if I am able to help VRC to 5x and 10x

I am sort of busy, so I give the community some few days to get its act together and put an option fund together. 100% of the staking from this fund will go into a community donation address managed by community representatives.

The sooner this is coming together and the more smoothly, the greater my chance of finding it worth my time to get involved with VRC. I was sad to hear of the Mintpal incident which put VRC in a lose/lose situation and I do want to help, but only if the community can do a 180 degree turn in attitude and come together to put together the option fund.

Now due to the delays in getting this deal agreed to, I am forced to change some details of the agreement. Originally I was going to create some original new tech for VRC, but with the SuperNET structure, this wont be fair to the other coins. That being said, I am having ideas on how to maximize the value of VRC within the SuperNET and as long as the VRC devs are following my advices, then there is a good chance for some very good results.

James

P.S. Now, next year I will have some time available and if you are making some big bounty separate from the above, then maybe I could make some decentralized USD pegged solution for VRC. Basically a bitUSD that is actually using a decentralized system instead of holographic peg without any actual basis. This is what the dev4 deal would have gotten, so I will provide that as an option.

I wouldn't go so far as to classify a few dozen contributers in this troll-infested hornets nest of a thread as the VeriCoin "community."  If you want to get a better idea of how real VRC community members act then I suggest perusing people's VRC and VeriCoin hashtagged feeds on Twitter because this place has basically become co-opted by a small handful of ill-intentioned malefactors who seem to have made it their top priority to stir the sh*t as much as humanly possibly while the members of the other venues that I've seen (such as Twitter) are much milder mannered and/or to a larger degree, more civilized.

 
The three VRC devs havent exactly been very respectful to me.
I am only extending a formal offer due to the professionalism of drkman
I have no time to be working with people who dont want to work with me

I can't speak for them but I can guess that maybe they just feel like you're asking a lot for something which they think that they can accomplish on their own as far as the price and the market reach goes.  I don't know.  That's just my guess.  Personally, when I heard that they were considering taking on an additional dev I thought that it was just to speed up the implementation of all the unfinished projects in the Vericoin roadmap.  I really don't know anything about the superNET as this is the first time that I've heard anything about it so I'd have to do some due diligence in order to comment any further on it.

On another note, you might want to put yourself in their shoes for a minute and consider the fact that this entire project, however slow moving it might seem to some of us at times in this fast-paced world of the internet, is their baby so taking on an outsider might not be what they really had envisioned.  I've never even talked to any of them so I don't know what their personalities are like or how they've acted but if I was a programmer and it was my project I think that I might be slightly hesitant as well, especially in light of such large demands.

Anyway, all the best to you whether you come on board or not.  Thanks for the post and have a great weekend.

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September 06, 2014, 06:47:43 AM
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James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential of your technological vision.

Thanks,
Doug
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