[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[barabbas]

And, by the way, as foretold, we are back to be solidly in singles.

But at one point or another no doubt those very biog things the people is debating in the "cheerleader's club" are going to propel the price to the moon.

I'm sure people will keep an eye on it.

And on the "cheerleader's club" too.

Stooges.

How low you think price will go? Into the 8000's? 7000's? Any guess?

It's totally in the hands of James. It will go as low as he lets it go.

Some cheerleaders were -and still are- convinced that without James the bottom would have been 8000 anyway; it is possible that James would want to show them exactly how wrong they were by letting go there and below EVEN with the fact that he is involved and VRC will possibly be in the SuperNET.

If I were James, I would do that, just to make things quite clear to everyone. But, alas, I am not so I cannot even speculate at this point.

One thing I do know though: If he doesn't do anything, it will keep going down indeed.

If you have been following the Supernet forums, you've undoubtedly noticed that James has been very busy hammering out the code for the SN API and more specifically, the DHT code to support a distributed file sharing/cloud infrastructure.  Pretty exciting stuff.  The price is the price. The technology is advancing, however, and VeriCoin will be a part of it.

No I haven't been following the supernet forums. And I have no doubt James is a very, very busy individual. I GET that. And I am the first to appreciate and respect James because, so far, he has honored -and beyond- his commitments in what I can see and certainly in what pertains VRC.

That said, he may have misjudged "the price is the price" aspect when he stated that "... between 10 and 14 would be the period of accumulation..." or words to that effect. If he really wants the price to remain in that channel, obviously he has to do something more than what he has done.

Otherwise I have no problem at all -totally the contrary- with James' involvement in VRC so far. We are still months before he has to show something of what he promised he would do, so still quite within his commitment.

That said, I reiterate that since VRC on it own has nothing of any value for the crypto community, if James doesn't do anything the price will continue being the price: Going south. Perhaps severely.

NXT is in the dumps, too, and I don't see anyone involved in SN panicking about it. BTW, it's great to see a kinder-gentler barabbas here. Your input of late is appreciated.  I am too busy to watch the markets like a hawk these days. There's a lot of development in the pipes, and that is where my focus is.

-Cheers

NEXT in the dumps? I don't think so. At all. NXT had a very solid run up and now it's profit taking time... which is what happens in NEXT for months and mon ths now. It could touch the 5s and that's where the money comes in running and back again to the highs 8s. Or above. Quite a different animal.

If you perceive me as a kinder gentles Barabbas, I guess that would be my current projection. The only thing that is different, from my perspective, is James: Now VRC has him, before it did not. As long as it has James, is has something good and real effective. If it doesn't, it will drift eventually to the ground. THAT's the difference, the only one.

Back to what you say about NXT, the same has occurred to a number of coins, including -among many others- BC and even DARK. There's very little money coming into alts and into even BTC, giving the distressed price. The remaining goes to the momentum projects (such as James') and some of the promising ICOs. There's no liquidity left even for solid projects, well established. The market is very tough and is about to become quite tougher: In 8 days an ICO that will make history, will be live. BRO. It's going to take thousands of BTC, millions of dollars. Many. All the other coins will be sold. Including the good ones. Imagine what will happen to this one...

Unless, of course, James decides to counter... Only he has the kind of clout needed for such a move. Will he? The price, in a very significant way, will tell the tale of the play. Very, very soon.

[barabbas]

You are conveniently forgetting that BRO is selling an ICO for a coin that already has a 67% premine.......So there's that.

Are you implying I have anything to do with BRO? Because if you do you are quite wrong. And, obviously, you havent read my posts on their board.

What seems "convenient" is your mention of their "pre-mine" without clarifying that BRO is a complete different business model from any other digital currency, which you must know (I know you do).

Anyway, they are going to get rivers of money and that is that.

[barabbas]

Hi guys

If you remember James said he won't have much time to help VRC until the end of this year or very early next year. He did say he would help when he could. If you have been following progress on SuperNET or BTCD

threads, you will know that he is looking at renting servers to test SuperNET and Teleporting at full scale. They has been daily progress reports and every thing is going forward. I have also read communication between

James and VRC devs on SuperNET forum (I think it was there, I read a lot of threads) suggesting some interesting things in the pipeline for VRC. So I for one will not be selling my VRC, I will continue to trade and gather

more while the price is cheap. Nice to see that people are communicating in a more civil way here, its so much nicer than trash talk.

Jon 

Perhaps that should tell you something now that the raging cheerleaders don't post here, about who the troublemakers were...

Just a thought.

[ScottAllyn]

Hi guys

If you remember James said he won't have much time to help VRC until the end of this year or very early next year. He did say he would help when he could. If you have been following progress on SuperNET or BTCD

threads, you will know that he is looking at renting servers to test SuperNET and Teleporting at full scale. They has been daily progress reports and every thing is going forward. I have also read communication between

James and VRC devs on SuperNET forum (I think it was there, I read a lot of threads) suggesting some interesting things in the pipeline for VRC. So I for one will not be selling my VRC, I will continue to trade and gather

more while the price is cheap. Nice to see that people are communicating in a more civil way here, its so much nicer than trash talk.

Jon  

Perhaps that should tell you something now that the raging cheerleaders don't post here, about who the troublemakers were...

Just a thought.

I think it has more to do with the fact that a few of the VeriCoin supporters are making a conscious effort not to get into pointless sparring matches with those who frequently stir up the waters. Instead, they're handling and redirecting those perpetual naysayers into a more positive and constructive direction.

[5000Bitcoins]

Hi, what were impacts (good and bad) for VRC after joining SuperNet? Doing research for XCR
( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=821046.0 ) Sorry for hijacking thread. trying to form a objective opinion if it will benefit network value by looking at every currency that connected to it, thus so far looks good.

Having trouble sorting out spam researching about SuperNets impact on networks.

If XCR would join it, would it benefit VRC also and other connected?

[TheLEFTIST^LEGiON^]

lol @ everyone blaming vrc low price on btc going down and upcoming ipos like bro.

put ur blame towards mintpal and supernet.

b/c of mintpal hack we pulled trading support... with the intention to repush once bottomed out. that price rise barabbas claimed was from worldvrc day.... yeah that was a test pump from us looking to see if vrc had bottomed and if it was time to repush the price that just happened to coincide with his post about vrcday or w/e it was. but we will let him keep thinking as he wishes....

then supernet happened and let me ask why would we support a coin when 10% of mrket is going to b given to someone to dump when supernet dies just like UNOCS did when feathercoin left that.


and definatly lol at barabbas now being 110% supernet supporter...




one of our ppl tried to tell u we had plans 4 vrc. and if we had stuck to those vrc price would already b at .00075+

 but instead of listening all of ur cheerleaders got scared market might actually be manipulated and that there might really b a group like ours with veri large holdings in the coin so they decided to label us as fud and blame us for attacks on vrc... when u should b looking else where.

we were only trying to speak up and prevent this coins community from making and a coin killing mistake of giving away control of 10% of the market to someone to use as a pump and dump to support something sketchy, questionable, and not even in existence yet.

who in there right mind would make a move to trust such a giant chunk of a multi-million dollar market
to some1 with such little accountability and such a giant conflict of interest in exchange for something that is just vaporware.... no company i know would.

so enjoy ur supernet payoffs paid for by dumping coins ppl have given jl to join supernet... while u keep pushing jls worthless assets...

but vrc price will continue down unless ur one and only whale JL777's buying support out weighs our selling weight...


looking at the charts for bbr and other coins that where given to jl.... still believe in that so called JL effect.

supernet is a joke. only ppl supporting it are nxt'rs and noobs that have only been in btc for less then a yr like all those that were burned by zeta....




 

[amesterdamer]

Here's another alternative (new project) to Bitcointalk besides the vericointalk.com forum.

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[effectsToCause]

lol @ everyone blaming vrc low price on btc going down and upcoming ipos like bro.

put ur blame towards mintpal and supernet.

b/c of mintpal hack we pulled trading support... with the intention to repush once bottomed out. that price rise barabbas claimed was from worldvrc day.... yeah that was a test pump from us looking to see if vrc had bottomed and if it was time to repush the price that just happened to coincide with his post about vrcday or w/e it was. but we will let him keep thinking as he wishes....

then supernet happened and let me ask why would we support a coin when 10% of mrket is going to b given to someone to dump when supernet dies just like UNOCS did when feathercoin left that.


and definatly lol at barabbas now being 110% supernet supporter...




one of our ppl tried to tell u we had plans 4 vrc. and if we had stuck to those vrc price would already b at .00075+

 but instead of listening all of ur cheerleaders got scared market might actually be manipulated and that there might really b a group like ours with veri large holdings in the coin so they decided to label us as fud and blame us for attacks on vrc... when u should b looking else where.

we were only trying to speak up and prevent this coins community from making and a coin killing mistake of giving away control of 10% of the market to someone to use as a pump and dump to support something sketchy, questionable, and not even in existence yet.

who in there right mind would make a move to trust such a giant chunk of a multi-million dollar market
to some1 with such little accountability and such a giant conflict of interest in exchange for something that is just vaporware.... no company i know would.

so enjoy ur supernet payoffs paid for by dumping coins ppl have given jl to join supernet... while u keep pushing jls worthless assets...

but vrc price will continue down unless ur one and only whale JL777's buying support out weighs our selling weight...


looking at the charts for bbr and other coins that where given to jl.... still believe in that so called JL effect.

supernet is a joke. only ppl supporting it are nxt'rs and noobs that have only been in btc for less then a yr like all those that were burned by zeta....




 

We have never and will never make decisions based on one investor or investment group's opinions, including jl777.  If your group wants to threaten dumping in return for action then I believe you are in the wrong place, as so many others with the same view have been.

[jd1959]

lol @ everyone blaming vrc low price on btc going down and upcoming ipos like bro.

put ur blame towards mintpal and supernet.

b/c of mintpal hack we pulled trading support... with the intention to repush once bottomed out. that price rise barabbas claimed was from worldvrc day.... yeah that was a test pump from us looking to see if vrc had bottomed and if it was time to repush the price that just happened to coincide with his post about vrcday or w/e it was. but we will let him keep thinking as he wishes....

then supernet happened and let me ask why would we support a coin when 10% of mrket is going to b given to someone to dump when supernet dies just like UNOCS did when feathercoin left that.


and definatly lol at barabbas now being 110% supernet supporter...




one of our ppl tried to tell u we had plans 4 vrc. and if we had stuck to those vrc price would already b at .00075+

 but instead of listening all of ur cheerleaders got scared market might actually be manipulated and that there might really b a group like ours with veri large holdings in the coin so they decided to label us as fud and blame us for attacks on vrc... when u should b looking else where.

we were only trying to speak up and prevent this coins community from making and a coin killing mistake of giving away control of 10% of the market to someone to use as a pump and dump to support something sketchy, questionable, and not even in existence yet.

who in there right mind would make a move to trust such a giant chunk of a multi-million dollar market
to some1 with such little accountability and such a giant conflict of interest in exchange for something that is just vaporware.... no company i know would.

so enjoy ur supernet payoffs paid for by dumping coins ppl have given jl to join supernet... while u keep pushing jls worthless assets...

but vrc price will continue down unless ur one and only whale JL777's buying support out weighs our selling weight...


looking at the charts for bbr and other coins that where given to jl.... still believe in that so called JL effect.

supernet is a joke. only ppl supporting it are nxt'rs and noobs that have only been in btc for less then a yr like all those that were burned by zeta....




 

Yea right talking noobs (sic)funny how this is your first post, come on use your real ID or are you scared to expose yourself and your real agenda. If you don't like what is happening with VRC, just sell and let the rest

of us get on with it. Maybe your pump group could find a nice quite place and start your own coin maybe you could call it PUMP coin and gather round mutually masturbating over it.

Jon 

[bitmaster1x]

lol @ everyone blaming vrc low price on btc going down and upcoming ipos like bro.

put ur blame towards mintpal and supernet.

b/c of mintpal hack we pulled trading support... with the intention to repush once bottomed out. that price rise barabbas claimed was from worldvrc day.... yeah that was a test pump from us looking to see if vrc had bottomed and if it was time to repush the price that just happened to coincide with his post about vrcday or w/e it was. but we will let him keep thinking as he wishes....

then supernet happened and let me ask why would we support a coin when 10% of mrket is going to b given to someone to dump when supernet dies just like UNOCS did when feathercoin left that.


and definatly lol at barabbas now being 110% supernet supporter...




one of our ppl tried to tell u we had plans 4 vrc. and if we had stuck to those vrc price would already b at .00075+

 but instead of listening all of ur cheerleaders got scared market might actually be manipulated and that there might really b a group like ours with veri large holdings in the coin so they decided to label us as fud and blame us for attacks on vrc... when u should b looking else where.

we were only trying to speak up and prevent this coins community from making and a coin killing mistake of giving away control of 10% of the market to someone to use as a pump and dump to support something sketchy, questionable, and not even in existence yet.

who in there right mind would make a move to trust such a giant chunk of a multi-million dollar market
to some1 with such little accountability and such a giant conflict of interest in exchange for something that is just vaporware.... no company i know would.

so enjoy ur supernet payoffs paid for by dumping coins ppl have given jl to join supernet... while u keep pushing jls worthless assets...

but vrc price will continue down unless ur one and only whale JL777's buying support out weighs our selling weight...


looking at the charts for bbr and other coins that where given to jl.... still believe in that so called JL effect.

supernet is a joke. only ppl supporting it are nxt'rs and noobs that have only been in btc for less then a yr like all those that were burned by zeta....




 

We have never and will never make decisions based on one investor or investment group's opinions, including jl777.  If your group wants to threaten dumping in return for action then I believe you are in the wrong place, as so many others with the same view have been.

I'm still trading VRC all day long.

[kleineaap]

Juicy.

[yoshiwatusi]

Juicy.

you are back?

[barabbas]

lol @ everyone blaming vrc low price on btc going down and upcoming ipos like bro.

put ur blame towards mintpal and supernet.

b/c of mintpal hack we pulled trading support... with the intention to repush once bottomed out. that price rise barabbas claimed was from worldvrc day.... yeah that was a test pump from us looking to see if vrc had bottomed and if it was time to repush the price that just happened to coincide with his post about vrcday or w/e it was. but we will let him keep thinking as he wishes....

then supernet happened and let me ask why would we support a coin when 10% of mrket is going to b given to someone to dump when supernet dies just like UNOCS did when feathercoin left that.


and definatly lol at barabbas now being 110% supernet supporter...




one of our ppl tried to tell u we had plans 4 vrc. and if we had stuck to those vrc price would already b at .00075+

 but instead of listening all of ur cheerleaders got scared market might actually be manipulated and that there might really b a group like ours with veri large holdings in the coin so they decided to label us as fud and blame us for attacks on vrc... when u should b looking else where.

we were only trying to speak up and prevent this coins community from making and a coin killing mistake of giving away control of 10% of the market to someone to use as a pump and dump to support something sketchy, questionable, and not even in existence yet.

who in there right mind would make a move to trust such a giant chunk of a multi-million dollar market
to some1 with such little accountability and such a giant conflict of interest in exchange for something that is just vaporware.... no company i know would.

so enjoy ur supernet payoffs paid for by dumping coins ppl have given jl to join supernet... while u keep pushing jls worthless assets...

but vrc price will continue down unless ur one and only whale JL777's buying support out weighs our selling weight...


looking at the charts for bbr and other coins that where given to jl.... still believe in that so called JL effect.

supernet is a joke. only ppl supporting it are nxt'rs and noobs that have only been in btc for less then a yr like all those that were burned by zeta....




 

Just to clarify, I support the IDEA of the SuperNET; to support it fully I would need to know which 10 coins will form it.

As of now, I would not support a SuperNET that included VRC in the 10. James has stated that he will bring VRC technologically up to par to justify it's possible inclusion and up until now James' credibility, for me, remains intact.

You may have been mislead by my support of VRC associating itself with James, which was a humongous positive (double the price almost instantly), which is a different thing altogether.

Another erroneous assumption that you make (and you make several) is that VRC will "give" 10% of the company... VRC will give NOTHING, you need to know this very clearly, nothing at all whatsoever. What VRC could -but is not officially required to do-, is to buy in SuperNET an amount similar to 10% of the VRC value at the time, in exchange for SuperNET purchasing of 10% of Vericoin. Quite a different thing. A "shares swap" is what that figure is called in the regular financial world. Hopefully now you will "get it".

Oh and I enthusiastically support that "swap" on 2 conditions: That the selected 10 coins bring to the SuperNET unique, cutting edge and best in class technologies, which are synergic and not repeated, one, and two, that the tech that James would have brought by then to VRC justify it's inclusion. Just being the public face guarding James' personal anon won't do.

EDIT to add:

By the way, your "group" apparently had huge plans to support VRC at the "bottom" 8000 level. It is quite possible (entirely up to James though for he can stop the price going down at any moment, very easily) that it will get back there again... Is that what you are in reality looking forward to happen to buy in much bigger then?

You know, it is the opposite of trustworthiness that you would have waited this long to issue your threat.

And you know what is absolutely hysterical? That your "group" would have had "big plans" for VRC. The Black Hand -and I am not entirely sure you are not La Mano Nera, mind you-, had "big plans" for BC and sank it after activating their "big plans" many times to run dry the idiotic investors that were -and some still are holding their monumental bags in there. And they did it with the full complicity of the Devs... just like you pretended here. Like I said, hysterical.... you should go to the bobsurplus school because the whole P&D game has evolved enormously since the Mafia-like days and it is way more sophisticated these days. You need to get updated... I see also that your usual frontman is not doing the posting anymore... that's another really bad move for it speaks of inconsistency and, frankly, panic. You guys are bagholders! Big, huge, humongous ones. Who knew, ah?

[barabbas]

Hi guys

If you remember James said he won't have much time to help VRC until the end of this year or very early next year. He did say he would help when he could. If you have been following progress on SuperNET or BTCD

threads, you will know that he is looking at renting servers to test SuperNET and Teleporting at full scale. They has been daily progress reports and every thing is going forward. I have also read communication between

James and VRC devs on SuperNET forum (I think it was there, I read a lot of threads) suggesting some interesting things in the pipeline for VRC. So I for one will not be selling my VRC, I will continue to trade and gather

more while the price is cheap. Nice to see that people are communicating in a more civil way here, its so much nicer than trash talk.

Jon  

Perhaps that should tell you something now that the raging cheerleaders don't post here, about who the troublemakers were...

Just a thought.

I think it has more to do with the fact that a few of the VeriCoin supporters are making a conscious effort not to get into pointless sparring matches with those who frequently stir up the waters. Instead, they're handling and redirecting those perpetual naysayers into a more positive and constructive direction.

And you would, of course, delude yourself that way. Predictable. Inevitable.

Seems legit...

[amesterdamer]

VeriCoin needs volunteers to translate texts in english to other languages. VeriCoin precisa de voluntários para traduzir textos em Inglês para outros idiomas. VeriCoin braucht Freiwillige, die Texte in Englisch , andere Sprachen zu übersetzen. VeriCoin necesita voluntarios para traducir textos en Inglés a otros idiomas. VeriCoin需要志愿者的英语文本翻译成其他语言. VeriCoin besoin de bénévoles pour traduire des textes en anglais dans d'autres langues. VeriCoin ha bisogno di volontari per tradurre testi in inglese in altre lingue

More @ https://www.vericoinforums.com/threads/volunteers-translators-from-english-to-other-languages.472/

[ereborltc]

lol @ everyone blaming vrc low price on btc going down and upcoming ipos like bro.

put ur blame towards mintpal and supernet.

b/c of mintpal hack we pulled trading support... with the intention to repush once bottomed out. that price rise barabbas claimed was from worldvrc day.... yeah that was a test pump from us looking to see if vrc had bottomed and if it was time to repush the price that just happened to coincide with his post about vrcday or w/e it was. but we will let him keep thinking as he wishes....

then supernet happened and let me ask why would we support a coin when 10% of mrket is going to b given to someone to dump when supernet dies just like UNOCS did when feathercoin left that.


and definatly lol at barabbas now being 110% supernet supporter...




one of our ppl tried to tell u we had plans 4 vrc. and if we had stuck to those vrc price would already b at .00075+

 but instead of listening all of ur cheerleaders got scared market might actually be manipulated and that there might really b a group like ours with veri large holdings in the coin so they decided to label us as fud and blame us for attacks on vrc... when u should b looking else where.

we were only trying to speak up and prevent this coins community from making and a coin killing mistake of giving away control of 10% of the market to someone to use as a pump and dump to support something sketchy, questionable, and not even in existence yet.

who in there right mind would make a move to trust such a giant chunk of a multi-million dollar market
to some1 with such little accountability and such a giant conflict of interest in exchange for something that is just vaporware.... no company i know would.

so enjoy ur supernet payoffs paid for by dumping coins ppl have given jl to join supernet... while u keep pushing jls worthless assets...

but vrc price will continue down unless ur one and only whale JL777's buying support out weighs our selling weight...


looking at the charts for bbr and other coins that where given to jl.... still believe in that so called JL effect.

supernet is a joke. only ppl supporting it are nxt'rs and noobs that have only been in btc for less then a yr like all those that were burned by zeta....




 

bahahahahha no no wait...........bahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahbahahahhahahahah!!! Good pump group so invested in vrc ,didn't even know the 10% is ours .... bahahahahhahaha go back to bed lol

[barabbas]

Someone is injecting some coin in VRC. That you James? If so, appreciated but...

It is perhaps time for an update on what your tech plans are for VRC in order to get it to join the core SuperNET. Exactly what would be the tech aspect coming from VRC that will complete the SuperNET? I mean, it really doesn't matter if others start working on developing on their own since that would not gain them access tpo the SuperNET since it will be a copy of what VRC would bring, right? So no need to keep it secret. Amd it is going to be open source anyway...

So please, let us know exactly what VRC will bring to SN, to complete it.

I know you are busy, but not that busy so...

[wetwipe]

Someone is injecting some coin in VRC. That you James? If so, appreciated but...

It is perhaps time for an update on what your tech plans are for VRC in order to get it to join the core SuperNET. Exactly what would be the tech aspect coming from VRC that will complete the SuperNET? I mean, it really doesn't matter if others start working on developing on their own since that would not gain them access tpo the SuperNET since it will be a copy of what VRC would bring, right? So no need to keep it secret. Amd it is going to be open source anyway...

So please, let us know exactly what VRC will bring to SN, to complete it.

I know you are busy, but not that busy so...

Maybe its something to do with the fact there has been a change to the vrc escrow fund with supernet apparently I now own some sort of unity nxt vrc asset ?. And cant seem to figure out what its about any Dev got a few to explain this move. Was anything posted about this here cant see anything?.  Thanks in advance.

[ScottAllyn]

Someone is injecting some coin in VRC. That you James? If so, appreciated but...

It is perhaps time for an update on what your tech plans are for VRC in order to get it to join the core SuperNET. Exactly what would be the tech aspect coming from VRC that will complete the SuperNET? I mean, it really doesn't matter if others start working on developing on their own since that would not gain them access tpo the SuperNET since it will be a copy of what VRC would bring, right? So no need to keep it secret. Amd it is going to be open source anyway...

So please, let us know exactly what VRC will bring to SN, to complete it.

I know you are busy, but not that busy so...

Maybe its something to do with the fact there has been a change to the vrc escrow fund with supernet apparently I now own some sort of unity nxt vrc asset ?. And cant seem to figure out what its about any Dev got a few to explain this move. Was anything posted about this here cant see anything?.  Thanks in advance.

The initial momentum for yesterday's spike coincided perfectly with Effects2Cause's Twitter tease about BitVeri; it's likely related to that. This is why it's important to keep an eye on all forums and social outlets, IMO, even the ones that you wouldn't normally use. News on Twitter often has a more immediate impact on a coin's short term price than news on BCT.

[Kevondo]

CONCERNING THE RECENT S/N-UNITY 100-1 swap



As I said in my intial response to the swap proffered by James I do NOT have a problem with the donors swapping their 20%

for SN/UNITY. They'll be getting that back at some time anyway.

The other 80% is the communitties and the community should be made aware what the status of the fund is and get a say in

how it's dealings. James is ONE member of the VRC community. He can set his terms and the community can accept them or

not.
 
This SuperNET Committee ? It's the first I've heard of it and my request for when it was formed? Who's on it? and What is

it's charter? Have not been answered. Why not??

If the Dev's just went ahead and decided to do the deal without discussing it with the community  any semblence of the

Democratazation of the money system went out the window. Calling it Community is reduced to Lip Service.

I see the disposition of 80% of the VEF as something the Community has a say in. Only the Donors Voted. This is (as I've

stated previously)  precisley the issue this thread was started for; to get the rights of the Community and  the voting protocol 

straight so when things like this (The Swap Deal) come along it could proceed in an orderly, transparent manner.

Pnosker states there isn't a way to insure a fair vote. That's his opinion. This isn't a new issue. Solutions are being develop

utilising Block Chain Tech.  Someone in the NXT community has been working on a "voting" procedure. It's at or near end

stage for useage. In either case the communitty should be consulted before any "deal" is signed off on.

The "Shell Game", fast shuffle, of "Here's the Deal.", "But this is the deal", "What is the Deal?" with no clear answer and

the next day the "Deal" is something else are a huge problem for crypto.

People will do what they do.

The Block Chain is "Math". It's uncorruptible.

If you want to Develop a Coin (or anything else for that matter) and be the "Sole Decsion Maker" or have a board or

committee which makes the calls fine.

But don't say it's a community where everyone has a say and then run it with a few, influencial, well placed, or monied

individuals dicating to the community as a whole.

Do what you Say you are going to.  This is Integrity. Anything less isn't moving society forward.