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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1143372 times)
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September 18, 2018, 10:56:42 PM
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**Please trade CLAMS on Bittrex.  Not use Poloniex!**

Thank you!
Why?
Would you mind giving me more detailed clarifications, please.
Are there technical issues with Poloniex?

The coin is going to be delisted from BITTREX

Yep.  Bittrex is delisting CLAMS.   Lips sealed Roll Eyes Grin


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ccminer.net, BayAreaCoins, how can you know about it?
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September 19, 2018, 01:49:57 AM
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ccminer.net, BayAreaCoins, how can you know about it?



Ironically, I tested my Poloniex account out this morning and it worked perfect.  Losing Bittrex isn't the end of the world and maybe a good thing if it pools more traders in a single place.

Here is my Poloniex Bitcointalk post I made this morning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=420836.msg45887661#msg45887661


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September 19, 2018, 03:28:01 AM
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Poloniex exchange has kept giving marginal tradings for CLAM.
Personally, Poloniex exchange is enough for me.
I have strong belief that Poloniex will become a giant one again.

I remember that Poloniex was bought by Circle, a Goldman Sachs-backed company, for $400M. For sure they are improving Poloniex even as we speek. That's a huge investment that says a lot.

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September 19, 2018, 04:07:10 AM
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Poloniex support:
"Thanks for letting us know that the explorer is back up.  We are currently undergoing unscheduled maintenance with the CLAM wallet.  Our engineers are working to bring this back online as soon as possible."

I'm going to ask them if it is because of dust or not.  Tongue


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The CLAM wallet on Poloniex has been down for 2 weeks+ now - I sent them a ticket as you requested 9 days ago, they brushed it off.
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I've been in the cryptocurrency market for some time before i even registered in this forum and at this time I met CLAM a digital currency that i always admired and put in my investment spreadsheet. However as in the vast majority of digital coins is in the red and this moment can not be considered a bad thing for CLAM, but with the passing of days how the team intends to adapt if the market continues in this style of bear? Is there an alternative way to attract investors beyond the technical aspects? I would like someone to answer this question and discuss the issue.

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I've been in the cryptocurrency market for some time before i even registered in this forum and at this time I met CLAM a digital currency that i always admired and put in my investment spreadsheet. However as in the vast majority of digital coins is in the red and this moment can not be considered a bad thing for CLAM, but with the passing of days how the team intends to adapt if the market continues in this style of bear? Is there an alternative way to attract investors beyond the technical aspects? I would like someone to answer this question and discuss the issue.

I dont think the development team is responsible for the marketing, as they havent received any funds for that purpose. I am making my part, trying to create tools like csexplorer to spread the word in google search, but i think we need much more than that. Do you have any suggestions?

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Poloniex support:
"Thanks for letting us know that the explorer is back up.  We are currently undergoing unscheduled maintenance with the CLAM wallet.  Our engineers are working to bring this back online as soon as possible."

I'm going to ask them if it is because of dust or not.  Tongue

And the problem isn't only poloniex, yesterday i take a look to shapeshift and they have blocked clam transactions too, any clue about what's happening with clam?

I read the release notes from the new bitcoin core (0.16.3) and they say they fixed a bug who should affect all other coins (since alts comes from bitcoin code), so, looks like clam devs have some work to do, and some stuff to fix. 

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Please keep me updated about POLONIEX status since BITTREX is delisting the coin and Cryptopia has very low volumes

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Poloniex support:
"Thanks for letting us know that the explorer is back up.  We are currently undergoing unscheduled maintenance with the CLAM wallet.  Our engineers are working to bring this back online as soon as possible."

I'm going to ask them if it is because of dust or not.  Tongue

And the problem isn't only poloniex, yesterday i take a look to shapeshift and they have blocked clam transactions too, any clue about what's happening with clam?

I read the release notes from the new bitcoin core (0.16.3) and they say they fixed a bug who should affect all other coins (since alts comes from bitcoin code), so, looks like clam devs have some work to do, and some stuff to fix.  

Shapeshift uses poloniex to make the transactions, so anytime poloniex gives a problem with clam, shapeshift removes it. Very annoying, and excluding poloniex, few options left:

-coinswitch.co - uses bittrex, so probably will take it out when delisted
-cryptopia, but the deposit and withdrawal confirmation can take 6 hours to a day
-bisq, but you need to let it run 24 hours a day in your machine and the liquidity is almost zero

Clam probably will be online in poloniex eventually, and on shapeshift soon after, but the clam market dependency on poloniex is really unhealthy. Anyone knows any options besides these?

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I've been in the cryptocurrency market for some time before i even registered in this forum

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Is there an alternative way to attract investors beyond the technical aspects? I would like someone to answer this question and discuss the issue.
Not on current evidence, no.

The "technical aspects" are the only aspects of an altcoin clone that are objectively (or near offer) available to investors for informing their assessessment of the potential ROI.

However, to use the term "investment" in the context of swapping tokens of a clone of Bitcoin for bankable fiat is stretching the semantics of the term well beyond its breaking point. If the reality of the context were to be honestly acknowledged, then a far more accurately descriptive term would be "speculation".

(for Google translate: use your common sense, it's not "investment" but "speculation")

There is no point in trying to discuss psychological matters (such as "appeal") on bitcointalk but I have rounded up some of my observations in a single post a different perspective on cryptocurrency.

For background, I'm a cognitive scientist currently engaged in investigating the informational requirements of the typical tasks performed by an online collective intelligence and, for me, the technical aspects are more pertinently addressed elsewhere, including for example the psychology of money and the empirical work (open access) done by Kathleen Vohs and collaborators, for one:

"No Match for Money: Even in Intimate Relationships and Collectivistic Cultures, Reminders of Money Weaken Sociomoral Responses,"
"Money Cues Increase Agency and Decrease Prosociality Among Children: Early Signs of Market-Mode Behaviors,"
"Money Priming Can Change People’s Thoughts, Feelings, Motivations, and Behaviors: An Update on 10 Years of Experiments," <- that's a decade

and Elinor Ostrom for another.

(Coincidentally, this reference The Future of Management Is Teal turned up on HackerNews a few days ago, if you're interested in Teal in a broader context).

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Is there an alternative way to attract investors beyond the technical aspects? I would like someone to answer this question and discuss the issue.
Not on current evidence, no.

The "technical aspects" are the only aspects of an altcoin clone that are objectively (or near offer) available to investors for informing their assessessment of the potential ROI.

However, to use the term "investment" in the context of swapping tokens of a clone of Bitcoin for bankable fiat is stretching the semantics of the term well beyond its breaking point. If the reality of the context were to be honestly acknowledged, then a far more accurately descriptive term would be "speculation".

(for Google translate: use your common sense, it's not "investment" but "speculation")

There is no point in trying to discuss psychological matters (such as "appeal") on bitcointalk but I have rounded up some of my observations in a single post a different perspective on cryptocurrency.

For background, I'm a cognitive scientist currently engaged in investigating the informational requirements of the typical tasks performed by an online collective intelligence and, for me, the technical aspects are more pertinently addressed elsewhere, including for example the psychology of money and the empirical work (open access) done by Kathleen Vohs and collaborators, for one:

"No Match for Money: Even in Intimate Relationships and Collectivistic Cultures, Reminders of Money Weaken Sociomoral Responses,"
"Money Cues Increase Agency and Decrease Prosociality Among Children: Early Signs of Market-Mode Behaviors,"
"Money Priming Can Change People’s Thoughts, Feelings, Motivations, and Behaviors: An Update on 10 Years of Experiments," <- that's a decade

and Elinor Ostrom for another.

(Coincidentally, this reference The Future of Management Is Teal turned up on HackerNews a few days ago, if you're interested in Teal in a broader context).

Cheers

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However, to use the term "investment" in the context of swapping tokens of a clone of Bitcoin for bankable fiat is stretching the semantics of the term well beyond its breaking point.

Totally agreed! But he does not say, for the sake of argument and expanding the conversation, that investing is just exchanging one token of value for another. In my humble opinion, investing (relating to cryptocurrencies) is creating new ways of using it, integrating it in the world and making the tech better than it already is. In practical terms: Expending money in development to correct bugs, add features and make it easier to use.

Bringing new people to the ecosystem naturally makes it happen, and that is the motive i asked about a wallet so i can donate to the one developing the new CLAM client.

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September 21, 2018, 02:20:29 PM
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Is there an alternative way to attract investors beyond the technical aspects? I would like someone to answer this question and discuss the issue.
Not on current evidence, no.

The "technical aspects" are the only aspects of an altcoin clone that are objectively (or near offer) available to investors for informing their assessessment of the potential ROI.

However, to use the term "investment" in the context of swapping tokens of a clone of Bitcoin for bankable fiat is stretching the semantics of the term well beyond its breaking point. If the reality of the context were to be honestly acknowledged, then a far more accurately descriptive term would be "speculation".

(for Google translate: use your common sense, it's not "investment" but "speculation")

There is no point in trying to discuss psychological matters (such as "appeal") on bitcointalk but I have rounded up some of my observations in a single post a different perspective on cryptocurrency.

For background, I'm a cognitive scientist currently engaged in investigating the informational requirements of the typical tasks performed by an online collective intelligence and, for me, the technical aspects are more pertinently addressed elsewhere, including for example the psychology of money and the empirical work (open access) done by Kathleen Vohs and collaborators, for one:

"No Match for Money: Even in Intimate Relationships and Collectivistic Cultures, Reminders of Money Weaken Sociomoral Responses,"
"Money Cues Increase Agency and Decrease Prosociality Among Children: Early Signs of Market-Mode Behaviors,"
"Money Priming Can Change People’s Thoughts, Feelings, Motivations, and Behaviors: An Update on 10 Years of Experiments," <- that's a decade

and Elinor Ostrom for another.

(Coincidentally, this reference The Future of Management Is Teal turned up on HackerNews a few days ago, if you're interested in Teal in a broader context).

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However, to use the term "investment" in the context of swapping tokens of a clone of Bitcoin for bankable fiat is stretching the semantics of the term well beyond its breaking point.

Totally agreed! But he does not say, for the sake of argument and expanding the conversation, that investing is just exchanging one token of value for another. In my humble opinion, investing (relating to cryptocurrencies) is creating new ways of using it, integrating it in the world and making the tech better than it already is. In practical terms: Expending money in development to correct bugs, add features and make it easier to use.

Bringing new people to the ecosystem naturally makes it happen, and that is the motive i asked about a wallet so i can donate to the one developing the new CLAM client.

Talking about the wallet, is there any new release? on github the last release is like 3 years old or something

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September 21, 2018, 04:36:08 PM
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But he does not say, for the sake of argument and expanding the conversation, that investing is just exchanging one token of value for another.
No, but he uses a spreadsheet to manage his portfolio which sort of makes the inference obvious and also sets a fairly obvious context for the semantics of "appeal". Which I internally translate as "appeal to people outside the group". Anyone who uses a spreadsheet to manage their cryptocurrency activities isn't likely to be inclined to actually join the online special interest group, merely follow its progress or lack of.
 
The question was fairly specific and its meaning was clear "how the team intends to adapt if the market continues in this style of bear"

Your approach is the one grounded in reality. Every CLAMs holder is a member of "the team" and I'm motivated to challenge misleadingly-framed questions along the lines of "how will the team ..." which insinuate the existence of a subgroup with implied responsibility because if left unchallenged these misconceptions act to promote  "pluralistic ignorance" to the detriment of the group's operational effectiveness in this space. "Pluralistic ignorance may help to explain the bystander effect. If no-one acts, onlookers may believe others believe action is incorrect, and may therefore themselves refrain from acting."

Teal is something of an antidote to this because it directly addresses the "everyone waiting around for someone to do something" issue. It also offers practical advice and guidance on how to operate effectively in the context of a peer-to-peer networked cryptocurrency.

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September 21, 2018, 04:52:41 PM
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But he does not say, for the sake of argument and expanding the conversation, that investing is just exchanging one token of value for another.
No, but he uses a spreadsheet to manage his portfolio which sort of makes the inference obvious and also sets a fairly obvious context for the semantics of "appeal". Which I internally translate as "appeal to people outside the group". Anyone who uses a spreadsheet to manage their cryptocurrency activities isn't likely to be inclined to actually join the online special interest group, merely follow its progress or lack of.
 
The question was fairly specific and its meaning was clear "how the team intends to adapt if the market continues in this style of bear"

Your approach is the one grounded in reality. Every CLAMs holder is a member of "the team" and I'm motivated to challenge misleadingly-framed questions along the lines of "how will the team ..." which insinuate the existence of a subgroup with implied responsibility because if left unchallenged these misconceptions act to promote  "pluralistic ignorance" to the detriment of the group's operational effectiveness in this space. "Pluralistic ignorance may help to explain the bystander effect. If no-one acts, onlookers may believe others believe action is incorrect, and may therefore themselves refrain from acting."

Teal is something of an antidote to this because it directly addresses the "everyone waiting around for someone to do something" issue. It also offers practical advice and guidance on how to operate effectively in the context of a peer-to-peer networked cryptocurrency.

Cheers

Graham


Well put Graham, i see a lot of newcomers asking questions and demanding things to a omnipotent being that controls the CLAM network, and it does not exist. We as a community need to make it work, and make things happen, for the best or for the worse.




Talking about the wallet, is there any new release? on github the last release is like 3 years old or something

There is a new client being developed, but is not ready for launching yet. If you are feeling adventurous, you can find a pre-release version here:
https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/releases

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September 23, 2018, 10:55:04 AM
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But he does not say, for the sake of argument and expanding the conversation, that investing is just exchanging one token of value for another.
No, but he uses a spreadsheet to manage his portfolio which sort of makes the inference obvious and also sets a fairly obvious context for the semantics of "appeal". Which I internally translate as "appeal to people outside the group". Anyone who uses a spreadsheet to manage their cryptocurrency activities isn't likely to be inclined to actually join the online special interest group, merely follow its progress or lack of.
 
The question was fairly specific and its meaning was clear "how the team intends to adapt if the market continues in this style of bear"

Your approach is the one grounded in reality. Every CLAMs holder is a member of "the team" and I'm motivated to challenge misleadingly-framed questions along the lines of "how will the team ..." which insinuate the existence of a subgroup with implied responsibility because if left unchallenged these misconceptions act to promote  "pluralistic ignorance" to the detriment of the group's operational effectiveness in this space. "Pluralistic ignorance may help to explain the bystander effect. If no-one acts, onlookers may believe others believe action is incorrect, and may therefore themselves refrain from acting."

Teal is something of an antidote to this because it directly addresses the "everyone waiting around for someone to do something" issue. It also offers practical advice and guidance on how to operate effectively in the context of a peer-to-peer networked cryptocurrency.

Cheers

Graham


Well put Graham, i see a lot of newcomers asking questions and demanding things to a omnipotent being that controls the CLAM network, and it does not exist. We as a community need to make it work, and make things happen, for the best or for the worse.




Talking about the wallet, is there any new release? on github the last release is like 3 years old or something

There is a new client being developed, but is not ready for launching yet. If you are feeling adventurous, you can find a pre-release version here:
https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/releases


Thanks for your reply.

I was thinking due tot he fact that the clam client is a clone of an old bitcoin client, the recent bug the bitcoin devs found, and they said it was really serious, could it affect the safety of the clam network?

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September 23, 2018, 01:27:58 PM
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I was thinking due tot he fact that the clam client is a clone of an old bitcoin client, the recent bug the bitcoin devs found, and they said it was really serious, could it affect the safety of the clam network?
No, the problem only affects versions/clones of Bitcoin 0.14 through to 0.16.2. The CLAMs client is a clone of (a clone of) Bitcoin Core 0.9 - as evidenced by the use of autotools' configure.ac whereas 0.8 and previous versions use qmake's bitcoin-qt.pro.

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September 23, 2018, 01:52:07 PM
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I was thinking due tot he fact that the clam client is a clone of an old bitcoin client, the recent bug the bitcoin devs found, and they said it was really serious, could it affect the safety of the clam network?
No, the problem only affects versions/clones of Bitcoin 0.14 through to 0.16.2. The CLAMs client is a clone of (a clone of) Bitcoin Core 0.9 - as evidenced by the use of autotools' configure.ac whereas 0.8 and previous versions use qmake's bitcoin-qt.pro.

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Thank you very much
even if I think that maybe an update would be required

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