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June 18, 2014, 09:11:32 AM |
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Loving the counter-arguement. Speaks volumes.
It was exactly what your arguments were worth. Would you've been happier if I responded with a slur of zero-substance buzz words? |
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Mwalshe89
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June 18, 2014, 09:28:12 AM |
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Loving the counter-arguement. Speaks volumes.
It was exactly what your arguments were worth. Would you've been happier if I responded with a slur of zero-substance buzz words? Zero substance buzzwords? These arn't buzzwords, they are substantiated facts. I'm sorry you don't understand what is the basis for an argument here. The fact is, DRK offers a poorly designed option for a centralised anonymous currency, while XC in a matter of days will be considerably more anonymous and much more secure, and it will lay the foundations for a decentralised platform. What took DRK nearly six months to achieve has been significantly bettered in less than two. We're now in a situation where we are comparing a semi centralised coinjoin clone to a decentralised P2P anonymous platform. The only thing DRK has got going for it was its initial media attention as a first mover, if it started now as brand new coin its technology would be laughed out of the room as another shity P&D. You can keep deviating from the arguement but please, tell me where I'm wrong. |
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illodin
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June 18, 2014, 10:01:38 AM |
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XC in a matter of days will be considerably more anonymous and much more secure
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please, tell me where I'm wrong.
XC nodes can steal the coins from the transaction. Very secure indeed. P2P anonymous platform.
What is this amazing buzz word "platform" you keep referring to btw? |
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Mwalshe89
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June 18, 2014, 10:13:19 AM |
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XC in a matter of days will be considerably more anonymous and much more secure
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please, tell me where I'm wrong.
XC nodes can steal the coins from the transaction. Very secure indeed. P2P anonymous platform.
What is this amazing buzz word "platform" you keep referring to btw? XC nodes won't be able to steal the coins once Rev 2 is released. Multisig implementation will prevent this. From there it is a complete solution. This will be released in the next couple of weeks. Unlike the DRK Dev the XC Dev actually sticks to, and beats deadlines. Platform, in the next few days the first features will be introduced, first I believe will be anonymous P2P IM. From there the xnode architecture can be built on to provide hundreds of different types of applications in a P2P decentralised structure, the possibilities are endless and only limited by the developers. XNode system is setup to be built upon, not as just mixers You can check all this for yourself if you just did your research instead of asking stupid questions. Anything else? Or is that actually it? Because I can create a list ten times larger than that for DRKs issues. |
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June 18, 2014, 10:31:03 AM |
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XC in a matter of days will be considerably more anonymous and much more secure
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please, tell me where I'm wrong.
XC nodes can steal the coins from the transaction. Very secure indeed. P2P anonymous platform.
What is this amazing buzz word "platform" you keep referring to btw? XC nodes won't be able to steal the coins once Rev 2 is released. Multisig implementation will prevent this. From there it is a complete solution. This will be released in the next couple of weeks. I thought you were saying in a matter of days. Ok, it's weeks then. You mean multisig like darkcoin?  What happened to the dynamic trust model? I can see what the next step is.. *cough* collateral *cough*. It would be probably easier to wait until drk is open sourced and fork from that.  Platform, in the next few days the first features will be introduced, first I believe will be anonymous P2P IM. From there the xnode architecture can be built on to provide hundreds of different types of applications in a P2P decentralised structure, the possibilities are endless and only limited by the developers. XNode system is setup to be built upon, not as just mixers
And this differs from the bitcoin "platform" or any other coin's "platform" how exactly? You could say that about every coin, because every coin has nodes that can be programmed to do anything. |
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June 18, 2014, 10:46:32 AM |
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I've just completed a test on the multi-path system
Receivers Address --->>>>> XXcJEFKxziaH8trY6DruHx9ap39rnDJbK7 - 0.03 XC's
I am going to put a password zip file online with the details
ATSECURE
it's only fair if you already upload detail somewhere with timestamp before anyone post their answer then release the detail next day. if you don't release the detail then chance the answer is correct but if no answer then chaplin can't find the way to track it. The file has been uploaded.. And after 24 hours I will release the location and by Sunday the password if nobody has submitted the address Where is the file and password and address btw ? |
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CoinsDude
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June 19, 2014, 12:00:17 AM |
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Not interested anymore.
I thought that you were not interested anymore? |
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stealth923
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June 19, 2014, 02:11:20 AM |
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XC in a matter of days will be considerably more anonymous and much more secure
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please, tell me where I'm wrong.
XC nodes can steal the coins from the transaction. Very secure indeed. P2P anonymous platform.
What is this amazing buzz word "platform" you keep referring to btw? XC nodes won't be able to steal the coins once Rev 2 is released. Multisig implementation will prevent this. From there it is a complete solution. This will be released in the next couple of weeks. Unlike the DRK Dev the XC Dev actually sticks to, and beats deadlines. Platform, in the next few days the first features will be introduced, first I believe will be anonymous P2P IM. From there the xnode architecture can be built on to provide hundreds of different types of applications in a P2P decentralised structure, the possibilities are endless and only limited by the developers. XNode system is setup to be built upon, not as just mixers You can check all this for yourself if you just did your research instead of asking stupid questions. Anything else? Or is that actually it? Because I can create a list ten times larger than that for DRKs issues. Are you that stupid....you keep saying "Just wait until XC Rev 2 and multi-sigs". You do realise DRK already has multi-sigs in Darksend and is currently functional. XC dev switched to multi-sigs when he realised he couldn't get around the bad actor problem and is now following Darksend. At this current time XC 1.5 transfers the ACTUAL coins to the mixer. How fucking stupid is that. Edit: And also what did happen to the buzz word filled "dynamic trust learning system" just wait when XC Dev announces "XC Collateral" again following Darkcoin. |
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chaeplin
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June 19, 2014, 03:15:44 AM |
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Not interested anymore.
I thought that you were not interested anymore? Of course you don't want to go into it, because Chaeplin admitted DRK wasn't patching against his pattern matching technique until RC 4.
Whereas Chaeplin couldn't crack XC once it upgraded to the mulitpath protocol, just like the XC dev said. Of course, Chaeplin will give various excuses but the fact he FUDs XC persistently shows his true colours. We both know Chaeplin would have wet himself in excitement if he could quickly crack the challenge and spam his result all over the forum.
FUD. This shit asshole annoys me. Do not annoy me. Not interested anymore. mr_random dragged me in. So where is ? |
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Mwalshe89
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June 19, 2014, 03:24:19 AM |
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XC in a matter of days will be considerably more anonymous and much more secure
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please, tell me where I'm wrong.
XC nodes can steal the coins from the transaction. Very secure indeed. P2P anonymous platform.
What is this amazing buzz word "platform" you keep referring to btw? XC nodes won't be able to steal the coins once Rev 2 is released. Multisig implementation will prevent this. From there it is a complete solution. This will be released in the next couple of weeks. Unlike the DRK Dev the XC Dev actually sticks to, and beats deadlines. Platform, in the next few days the first features will be introduced, first I believe will be anonymous P2P IM. From there the xnode architecture can be built on to provide hundreds of different types of applications in a P2P decentralised structure, the possibilities are endless and only limited by the developers. XNode system is setup to be built upon, not as just mixers You can check all this for yourself if you just did your research instead of asking stupid questions. Anything else? Or is that actually it? Because I can create a list ten times larger than that for DRKs issues. Are you that stupid....you keep saying "Just wait until XC Rev 2 and multi-sigs". You do realise DRK already has multi-sigs in Darksend and is currently functional. XC dev switched to multi-sigs when he realised he couldn't get around the bad actor problem and is now following Darksend. At this current time XC 1.5 transfers the ACTUAL coins to the mixer. How fucking stupid is that. Edit: And also what did happen to the buzz word filled "dynamic trust learning system" just wait when XC Dev announces "XC Collateral" again following Darkcoin. Ahaha so what, we have a working p2p decentralised system, while your using a centralised coinjoin clone. I'm not wasting my time here. If you guys wanna bag hold the losing fighter that's up to you |
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Mwalshe89
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June 19, 2014, 03:25:49 AM |
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XC in a matter of days will be considerably more anonymous and much more secure
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please, tell me where I'm wrong.
XC nodes can steal the coins from the transaction. Very secure indeed. P2P anonymous platform.
What is this amazing buzz word "platform" you keep referring to btw? XC nodes won't be able to steal the coins once Rev 2 is released. Multisig implementation will prevent this. From there it is a complete solution. This will be released in the next couple of weeks. I thought you were saying in a matter of days. Ok, it's weeks then. You mean multisig like darkcoin? What happened to the dynamic trust model? I can see what the next step is.. *cough* collateral *cough*. It would be probably easier to wait until drk is open sourced and fork from that. Platform, in the next few days the first features will be introduced, first I believe will be anonymous P2P IM. From there the xnode architecture can be built on to provide hundreds of different types of applications in a P2P decentralised structure, the possibilities are endless and only limited by the developers. XNode system is setup to be built upon, not as just mixers
And this differs from the bitcoin "platform" or any other coin's "platform" how exactly? You could say that about every coin, because every coin has nodes that can be programmed to do anything. Yea dude, lets fork from a decentralised system to a centralised system, whoop de doooo. |
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June 19, 2014, 04:58:33 AM |
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XC already has the P2P anonymous feature in the wallet code now.. It will be enabled for user to user anonymous transactions (no masternode required) in an upcoming release
This is fucking huge!! Anonymous transactions which are directly person to person with no masternode required! Best decision I ever made, backing this coin + dev. Basically this feature creates a new set of keys[one-time use] for the receiver --- which the sender users for this specific transaction, all handled by the client's themselves Xnode already do that. a new set of keys[one-time use] for the receiver. Take another option to Xnode. 1) relay or mixing 2) Oh receiver is my address. then Send coins to blabla... BTW, Where is white paper ? |
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illodin
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June 19, 2014, 05:04:39 AM |
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Yea dude, lets fork from a decentralised system to a centralised system, whoop de doooo.
You're very confused. Do you understand what centralized and decentralized means? |
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Mwalshe89
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June 19, 2014, 05:10:40 AM |
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Yea dude, lets fork from a decentralised system to a centralised system, whoop de doooo.
You're very confused. Do you understand what centralized and decentralized means? Yes. So please explain in detail how the DRK system doesn't use master nodes, a semi-centralised authority. Thanks. |
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Mwalshe89
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June 19, 2014, 05:12:04 AM |
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XC already has the P2P anonymous feature in the wallet code now.. It will be enabled for user to user anonymous transactions (no masternode required) in an upcoming release
This is fucking huge!! Anonymous transactions which are directly person to person with no masternode required! Best decision I ever made, backing this coin + dev. Basically this feature creates a new set of keys[one-time use] for the receiver --- which the sender users for this specific transaction, all handled by the client's themselves Xnode already do that. a new set of keys[one-time use] for the receiver. Take another option to Xnode. 1) relay or mixing 2) Oh receiver is my address. then Send coins to blabla... BTW, Where is white paper ? I think you should just put all your accusations in one long post and then someone will get them answered from the Dev, instead of hiding here where your accusations to unchallenged. Seriously. |
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illodin
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June 19, 2014, 05:18:12 AM |
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Yea dude, lets fork from a decentralised system to a centralised system, whoop de doooo.
You're very confused. Do you understand what centralized and decentralized means? Yes. So please explain in detail how the DRK system doesn't use master nodes, a semi-centralised authority. No. Please explain in detail how the XC system doesn't use xnodes, a semi-centralised authority. |
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stealth923
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June 19, 2014, 05:43:06 AM |
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Yea dude, lets fork from a decentralised system to a centralised system, whoop de doooo.
You're very confused. Do you understand what centralized and decentralized means? Yes. So please explain in detail how the DRK system doesn't use master nodes, a semi-centralised authority. No. Please explain in detail how the XC system doesn't use xnodes, a semi-centralised authority. HAHA He has no idea - XC shills love to throw buzz words around but dont understand the meaning. XC Buzz word generator = Randomize(Platform, Paradigm, Dynamic, Multi-Path, XNode, Trust, Privacy, Decentralized, Learning, MOON, Only Developed in 3 Weeks)++ |
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Mwalshe89
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June 19, 2014, 05:56:03 AM |
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Yea dude, lets fork from a decentralised system to a centralised system, whoop de doooo.
You're very confused. Do you understand what centralized and decentralized means? Yes. So please explain in detail how the DRK system doesn't use master nodes, a semi-centralised authority. No. Please explain in detail how the XC system doesn't use xnodes, a semi-centralised authority. Xnodes don't require 17 BTC to run, they don't require a setup on a separate server with their own security to operate safely. Xnodes wont be restricted to about a thousand nodes max run by the rich. The code is also out in the open, unlike DRK. How much less decentralised can you get than closed source? You keep posting here about XCs latest source not being available yet but when has DRKs? I don't see you in the DRK thread asking constantly. Closed source = about as non decentralised as it gets. |
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CoinsDude
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June 19, 2014, 06:00:41 AM |
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The only reason DRK fanboy's post in this thread is to promote FUD.. If you are not interested in supporting this coin please post somewhere else!
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illodin
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June 19, 2014, 06:11:56 AM |
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Yea dude, lets fork from a decentralised system to a centralised system, whoop de doooo.
You're very confused. Do you understand what centralized and decentralized means? Yes. So please explain in detail how the DRK system doesn't use master nodes, a semi-centralised authority. No. Please explain in detail how the XC system doesn't use xnodes, a semi-centralised authority. Xnodes don't require 17 BTC to run
Only reason why xnode doesn't require 17 BTC is because xc is worthless. If it 10x or 100x in value then it's gonna be just as "expensive". The code is also out in the open, unlike DRK. How much less decentralised can you get than closed source?
You keep posting here about XCs latest source not being available yet but when has DRKs?
Contradicting yourself much? Xnode source is not out in the open. they don't require a setup on a separate server with their own security to operate safely.
XC requires dedicated nodes to operate at all. Would you rather run your distributed app on hundreds or even thousands of dedicated servers with gigabit connections or on average Joes' laptops running on wi-fi connections? Btw, drk's masternode payments solve the problem that is very real even in bitcoin, which is that not many people are willing to run nodes because there is no incentive. And why do you think Evan hasn't released the DRK source?
Because otherwise we'd have tens of drk clones by now copy-pasted by clueless devs and people losing their monies in them. Closed source = decentralised.
So xc is decentralised by your definition then. Enjoy.
You're welcome. |
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