NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs

[KimNg]

Some observations of the new logo candidate.

It is too similar to the Quark logo.



http://www.qrk.cc/quarkbrand/

It also resembles the triskelion logo of Ripple.



https://dev.ripple.com/img/ripple-triskelion.png

tris·kel·i·on [trih-skel-ee-on] noun, a symbolic figure consisting of three legs, arms, or branches radiating from a common center.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Triskelion

The new logo explanation says: "Decentralization of NEM is represented by 3 lines coming from the centre."

By using the word centre, it implies centralized. Ideally a logo that represents decentralization will not have a center.


The 3 radial lines represents the centralized characteristics of a star network (hub-and-spoke).

Another sentence in the new logo explanation says: "Imagine this is a fan, it can spin...".

A spinning fan is another circular reference and demonstrates this centralized nature.

The new logo is "flat" compared to the 3d appearance of the cube, especially at the size of a 16x16 pixel icon.





The cube represents the decentralized and distributed characteristics of a mesh network (peer-to-peer).



I will not re-quote my previous post, but if you are curious why I believe the cube is better at representing NEM, read this:

Reasons for Selecting the Cube as the Symbol of NEM.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7729767#msg7729767

Loi does very good work and his new design is big improvement over the tomoe, but the cube better represents NEM.



My vote will be for Loi's cube design.

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[KimNg]

The fan logo looks like a pair of Y-fronts 

I like the cube logo though, and the colours are good

Had to google what y-fronts are, never heard of this term. Now all I see is mens underwear.
It would be hilarious if we found one in tri-color!
http://www.coatsindustrial.com/en/images/Illustration-Underwear-Y-fronts_tcm35-8824.jpg

Prototype of fan-briefs.

 

How funny, we may have performed our own kind of Rorschach test.
A committee could not possibly see the fan logo=quark logo=underwear=phallus=praying mantis head=who knows what else.
This is exactly why NEM's symbol should be vetted and chosen in a decentralized way.



All NEM members, please vote!

Inactive members (lurkers this means you!), take this simple step and do something for NEM.

Voting closes soon
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582

Follow the Voting procedure:
Every voting stakeholder will have to send a PM to both rockethead and kodtycoon specifying the chosen option(i.e. "option 1" or "option 2").

Fan voters guide:
Send a PM
To: "rockethead", "kodtycoon"
Subject: Logo vote
Message: option 1

Cube voters guide:
Send a PM
To: "rockethead", "kodtycoon"
Subject: Logo vote
Message: option 2

My campaign for the Cube logo.
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Reasons for Selecting the Cube as the Symbol of NEM.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7729767#msg7729767
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7993975#msg7993975
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7995429#msg7995429
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The new logo is "flat" compared to the 3d appearance of the cube, especially at the size of a 16x16 pixel icon.

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[xtester]

About 15 hours left. Please don't forget to choose your favorite logo.

Logo vote update

As some of you may have noticed we have closed the voting poll. It has become obvious to us, especially during the last day, that our vote was compromised and could not be taken serious. However, during the process we have learned that there are 2 important contenders which should b taken into consideration as NEM official logo options(the fan logo and the cube logo).

This is why we are opening a new official vote today.

Voting rules:

• voting starts today and will last for 5 days
• voting will only have 2 options: 1)the fan logo and 2)the cube logo
• in order to prevent compromising the vote again, voting will be done on bitcointalk via PM
• voting will only be considered valid if you are a NEM stakeholder and appear on the final stakeholder list

Voting procedure:

Every voting stakeholder will have to send a PM to both rockethead and kodtycoon specifying the chosen option(i.e. "option 1" or "option 2"). Once the voting period is over, results will be made public and we will conclude by announcing the official NEM logo.

As a reminder here are the 2 voting options:

1. The Fan Logo (option 1)










2. The Cube Logo (option 2)










Happy voting.

[ShawnLeary]

I think the fan logo looks great. The three parts united into one also hides the secret of how POI is calculated

this is very nice

[andme]

I think the fan logo looks great. The three parts united into one also hides the secret of how POI is calculated

The same goes for the cube logo.
All six attributes of NEM the devs wish to incorporate can be done using the cube.
The 6 faces of the cube represents the 3 exoteric ideals and the 3 esoteric ideas of NEM.
The 3 key ideals are financial freedom, decentralization, and equality of opportunity. Plus the 3 secret components in the PoI algorithm.
A hexagon has 6 edges, relating to the 3 key ideals and the 3 secret components in the PoI algorithm.
A hexagon has 6 vertices, again relating to the 3 key ideals and the 3 secret components in the PoI algorithm.
A hexagon can also be created from two equilateral triangles, one triangle representing NEM's 3 key ideals and the other the 3 components of PoI.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7729767#msg7729767

The cube has three dimensions (three coordinates x, y, z) fused in one object naturally in space. This shape is simple as nature but deep and not primitiv.

[makoto1337]

The box is not really recognizable as a symbol of NEM and other coins use a box, too.

[saamxx]

The box is not really  as a symbol of NEM and other coins use a box, too.

Of course, the bitcoin sym also not really recognizable, and billions of people constantly uses it. LOL



                                       

Can you explain us whats the basis of your sectarian beliefs in tomoe symbol

[KimNg]

The box is not really recognizable as a symbol of NEM and other coins use a box, too.

Hundreds of coins (~450) are disks or some other flat 2-d object, whereas the cube is a 3-d object and its shape is shared with one other coin.
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/
That is a really good ratio and qualifies it as unique.

[KimNg]

Some observations of the new logo candidate.

It is too similar to the Quark logo.



http://www.qrk.cc/quarkbrand/

It also resembles the triskelion logo of Ripple.



https://dev.ripple.com/img/ripple-triskelion.png

tris·kel·i·on [trih-skel-ee-on] noun, a symbolic figure consisting of three legs, arms, or branches radiating from a common center.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Triskelion

The new logo explanation says: "Decentralization of NEM is represented by 3 lines coming from the centre."

By using the word centre, it implies centralized. Ideally a logo that represents decentralization will not have a center.


The 3 radial lines represents the centralized characteristics of a star network (hub-and-spoke).

Another sentence in the new logo explanation says: "Imagine this is a fan, it can spin...".

A spinning fan is another circular reference and demonstrates this centralized nature.

The new logo is "flat" compared to the 3d appearance of the cube, especially at the size of a 16x16 pixel icon.





The cube represents the decentralized and distributed characteristics of a mesh network (peer-to-peer).



I will not re-quote my previous post, but if you are curious why I believe the cube is better at representing NEM, read this:

Reasons for Selecting the Cube as the Symbol of NEM.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7729767#msg7729767

Loi does very good work and his new design is big improvement over the tomoe, but the cube better represents NEM.



My vote will be for Loi's cube design.

Bump. This is the final push of the Cube logo campaign.
Login and vote. Voting is about to end.
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582

[KimNg]

The fan logo looks like a pair of Y-fronts 

I like the cube logo though, and the colours are good

Had to google what y-fronts are, never heard of this term. Now all I see is mens underwear.
It would be hilarious if we found one in tri-color!
http://www.coatsindustrial.com/en/images/Illustration-Underwear-Y-fronts_tcm35-8824.jpg

Prototype of fan-briefs.

 

How funny, we may have performed our own kind of Rorschach test.
A committee could not possibly see the fan logo=quark logo=underwear=phallus=praying mantis head=who knows what else.
This is exactly why NEM's symbol should be vetted and chosen in a decentralized way.



All NEM members, please vote!

Inactive members (lurkers this means you!), take this simple step and do something for NEM.

Voting closes soon
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582

Follow the Voting procedure:
Every voting stakeholder will have to send a PM to both rockethead and kodtycoon specifying the chosen option(i.e. "option 1" or "option 2").

Fan voters guide:
Send a PM
To: "rockethead", "kodtycoon"
Subject: Logo vote
Message: option 1

Cube voters guide:
Send a PM
To: "rockethead", "kodtycoon"
Subject: Logo vote
Message: option 2

My campaign for the Cube logo.
=====================================================================
Reasons for Selecting the Cube as the Symbol of NEM.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7729767#msg7729767
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7993975#msg7993975
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7995429#msg7995429
=====================================================================

The new logo is "flat" compared to the 3d appearance of the cube, especially at the size of a 16x16 pixel icon.

Bump.
Login and vote. Voting is about to end.
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582

Bump. This is the final push of the Cube logo campaign.
Login and vote. Voting is about to end.
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582

[makoto1337]

If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

[rockethead]

If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

I think this is a brilliant idea to move forward, lest we are left behind. According to the preliminary draft development contract, there is no actual provision for funds till after V1, which I believe should not have been the case to start with. Perhaps it was an oversight.

We should do a crowdsale of sorts and it would be good if we all can support it. We really need to get things going. There are so many things to be done and so scarce of resources.

[rabbiter]

When will stakeholders actually get coins, Official launch or beta release?

[makoto1337]

If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

I think this is a brilliant idea to move forward, lest we are left behind. According to the preliminary draft development contract, there is no actual provision for funds till after V1, which I believe should not have been the case to start with. Perhaps it was an oversight.

We should do a crowdsale of sorts and it would be good if we all can support it. We really need to get things going. There are so many things to be done and so scarce of resources.

I think a crowdsale of something is an interesting idea. What we sell needs to be thought of carefully, but if done right, it could help bring a lot of attention to NEM, perhaps even bringing in people from outside of crypto.

If we can raise sufficient funds and start building a robust ecosystem in parallel, I think NEM has a much better chance of beating the Goldman-Sachsian Übermensch at Ethereum and securing financial freedom for humanity

[xtester]

KimNg, please stop spamming the thread.

[rockethead]

If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

I think this is a brilliant idea to move forward, lest we are left behind. According to the preliminary draft development contract, there is no actual provision for funds till after V1, which I believe should not have been the case to start with. Perhaps it was an oversight.

We should do a crowdsale of sorts and it would be good if we all can support it. We really need to get things going. There are so many things to be done and so scarce of resources.

I think a crowdsale of something is an interesting idea. What we sell needs to be thought of carefully, but if done right, it could help bring a lot of attention to NEM, perhaps even bringing in people from outside of crypto.

If we can raise sufficient funds and start building a robust ecosystem in parallel, I think NEM has a much better chance of beating the Goldman-Sachsian Übermensch at Ethereum and securing financial freedom for humanity

It needs to be something tangible so that people can relate to it plus it should have some long term intrinsic value. I believe if there is value proposition even people from outside the NEM realm will also partake in this exercise. We will need evangelist to go out there too to help bring the crowd in for the crowdsale.

[Simakki]

If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

Weren´t there allready development fund for operations like that ? If everything goes as a planned one stake should be at least 2k-5k, so why you just use those funds to pay salaries etc. ?

[rockethead]

If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

Weren´t there allready development fund for operations like that ? If everything goes as a planned one stake should be at least 2k-5k, so why you just use those funds to pay salaries etc. ?

According to the draft development contract, that is not supposed to be touched until after V1. Anyway, those funds are pittance funds. What can 100BTC do? Not much.

We need real resources to fund such an important development.

[makoto1337]

If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

Weren´t there allready development fund for operations like that ? If everything goes as a planned one stake should be at least 2k-5k, so why you just use those funds to pay salaries etc. ?

According to the draft development contract, that is not supposed to be touched until after V1. Anyway, those funds are pittance funds. What can 100BTC do? Not much.

We need real resources to fund such an important development.

For example, Storj is trying to raise 9800 BTC and have already raised 590: http://storj.io/crowdsale.html
With funds like that, it should be possible to really do some incredible stuff that will change world economies.

I like the idea of crowd-selling something that is intrinsically value. I think that would give our movement a good name if we can raise funds while also giving people something worthwhile.

[Simakki]

If anyone keeps track of the progress and release of crypto 2.0 coins, you will notice that there are several promising projects that have been raising a lot of funds, among which are MaidSafe and Ethereum. Unlike these other projects, NEM was created without a large amount of initial funding, giving away most of the stakes for free or for trivial amounts of money. This is good, because it sets us apart from other coins, as a movement marked by equality of opportunity and solidarity without envy.

However, it is also important to realize that in order for NEM to reach its full potential, the community needs to come together and create a vibrant ecosystem that can meet the future needs of our users.

Towards this end, we are planning to prepare to work towards creating key projects required for a comprehensive ecosystem, with an emphasis on mobile apps and a fast, secure exchange, that will fully utilize our upcoming P2P asset exchange. To build this infrastructure, we need to raise funds to compete with the likes of MaidSafe and Ethereum.

Rather than centralize more power with the dev team, we are considering promoting a separate entity that would create and maintain several key ecosystem projects. To create this entity, we should have serious funding to hire full time programmers to work in parallel with the core dev team. This would help us to hit the ground at full speed, right at V1 launch.

If you have any ideas for good ways to raise significant funds (hundreds of BTC), please post them here. I am interested in what kind of thoughts and ideas people have.

Weren´t there allready development fund for operations like that ? If everything goes as a planned one stake should be at least 2k-5k, so why you just use those funds to pay salaries etc. ?

According to the draft development contract, that is not supposed to be touched until after V1. Anyway, those funds are pittance funds. What can 100BTC do? Not much.

We need real resources to fund such an important development.

10% - reserved for the core development team to fund development of the NCC and NIS up to the release of V.1 of the blockchain.
10% - reserved for the core development team to fund development of the NCC and NIS after the release of V.1 of the blockchain.
5% - reserved for the extended development team; those who are working on promoting NEM and the NEM ecosystem

are you saying that 25% will be just 100btc and the market for NEM will plummet to something like 250 000 dollars

Even with marketcap of 5 000 000 million, development fund should be considered significant in any way!