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I think this only a prediction ranking. Because this post only depend on the operating year of every project. I think it is better to make a ranking basis coming from accomplishnent and the project that many player or gamer are already played and continue to play about their site or project. We don't need to look at the years, I think we need to look at the progresses and development.
How could you say the rating is based on the operating year? Look at the list carefully, there are some older sites with lower rating compared to younger sites. I believe Peeps Place give the rating based on the reality which is happening to the site as well as based on user's review in this forum. This thread does not suggest reader to choose sportsbook by its age, I have no complain about the rating listed on the OP as maybe I'll have similar rating if I have to rate all those sites. You are correct panjul07. Longevity only sets a cap in rating. Maximum grade based upon time in business: A - 2 years B - 1 year C - 3 months D - 1 month
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Do you happen to know where these websites are getting their odds from? I don't know if its public knowledge or not and I don't know if they have similar places in any of them or different places or even if some of them making their own odds without getting any help at all. That would actually make a big difference for us and the way we look at these places, some of them look like they are totally different than others in outrights lately, I know there is still 1 year for that bet to be decided but I feel like that many differences must mean either some of these making odds themselves according to which team is bet most and change it accordingly or they must be actually getting it from a totally different place, whatever the case is I would love to learn their providers just in case.
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July 16, 2019, 07:53:14 PM Last edit: July 16, 2019, 08:29:07 PM by Peeps Place |
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Do you happen to know where these websites are getting their odds from? I don't know if its public knowledge or not and I don't know if they have similar places in any of them or different places or even if some of them making their own odds without getting any help at all. That would actually make a big difference for us and the way we look at these places, some of them look like they are totally different than others in outrights lately, I know there is still 1 year for that bet to be decided but I feel like that many differences must mean either some of these making odds themselves according to which team is bet most and change it accordingly or they must be actually getting it from a totally different place, whatever the case is I would love to learn their providers just in case.
Great points. I'll shoot out a PM to the sportsbooks to see what they say about their lines. It would be great to know if any are independent. Books - feel free to post if you are using an odds provider or if you're independent. As always please keep the discussion to your book and not that of others.
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July 16, 2019, 08:35:32 PM |
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We compile all of our own odds. We are not reliant on any third party feeds. I "believe" that we are the only book in the crypto space that this is the case. I know that we dont have the same number of markets in sports as some of the others, but please remember guys we are predominately a racebook.
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July 16, 2019, 08:56:52 PM |
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We compile all of our own odds. We are not reliant on any third party feeds. I "believe" that we are the only book in the crypto space that this is the case. I know that we dont have the same number of markets in sports as some of the others, but please remember guys we are predominately a racebook.
Thanks Shaun. I also believe that you are the only crypto book that's independent.
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July 16, 2019, 09:47:09 PM |
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Thanks Shaun. I also believe that you are the only crypto book that's independent. What does it mean for a crypto book to be "independent", does this mean no license and no regulation? I ask in seriousness because I may want to use this sportsbook in the future 1 thing you should note is that they say they are "BITCOINS FIRST AND ONLY RACEBOOK" which is not true since Sportsbet has same races ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) i can post a bet slip from Sportsbet with my bitcoin ticket if no one believes me ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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July 16, 2019, 09:57:00 PM |
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Thanks Shaun. I also believe that you are the only crypto book that's independent. What does it mean for a crypto book to be "independent", does this mean no license and no regulation? I ask in seriousness because I may want to use this sportsbook in the future Independent being that they create their own odds; they don't rely on an external odds provider. Have a license/regulation isn't necessarily a good thing either. Good luck getting that Curaco license enforced ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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July 16, 2019, 10:28:56 PM Last edit: July 16, 2019, 10:59:52 PM by Betcoin.AG |
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Betcoin.ag/PlayBetr.com/Coinbet.ag data breach from former programmer of the software provider. Even though the ex-employee was able to see balances, there wasn't a threat of losing funds. Sportsbooks are under constant attacks from hackers.
After an in-depth investigation into this matter, it was determined that a former programmer of the software provider, who had legitimate access, was able to gain additional access and download the database of Betcoin and several other licensees of the software. After this relationship was terminated, he no longer had any access to the database and at no time did he have access to any company or user funds. This is a very serious situation and we immediately devoted all resources to it once we were informed of it. We are bombarded by threats, DDOS and extortion attempts on a daily basis and each one improves our security. We are extremely regretful that this incident took place, but at no time was anyone’s passwords or funds in jeopardy. We do recommend that all players use a high-level password for both their email and Betcoin accounts and that you activate 2fa for additional security. If anyone needs assistance with an email or password change or setting up 2fa, please contact us any time. We wish to thank all of our players who have been so loyal to us since we first started in 2013. In this new age of technology, you often hear about some of the largest companies in the world having been breached and unfortunately, this is how new security methods are created. But we are happy to say that, throughout these 6 years, we have never had a player balance or password compromised. We will continue to improve and refine our security methods and we look forward to the next 6 years and beyond of serving our great players. If you have any questions or concerns, please let us know via DM, support ticket or email.
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July 16, 2019, 10:51:09 PM |
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Books - feel free to post if you are using an odds provider or if you're independent. As always please keep the discussion to your book and not that of others.
We receive the matches, markets and odds from a variety of providers and also create our own, depending on the contest. From there, it is an ongoing process to fine tune lines and odds, adjust limits and ensure that everything is accurate. It is a mix of automation and manual work. As we grow in staff and player size, we are able to do a lot more manual work to the games.
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July 17, 2019, 03:53:18 AM |
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Betcoin.ag/PlayBetr.com/Coinbet.ag data breach from former programmer of the software provider. Even though the ex-employee was able to see balances, there wasn't a threat of losing funds. Sportsbooks are under constant attacks from hackers.
After an in-depth investigation into this matter, it was determined that a former programmer of the software provider, who had legitimate access, was able to gain additional access and download the database of Betcoin and several other licensees of the software. After this relationship was terminated, he no longer had any access to the database and at no time did he have access to any company or user funds. This is a very serious situation and we immediately devoted all resources to it once we were informed of it. We are bombarded by threats, DDOS and extortion attempts on a daily basis and each one improves our security. We are extremely regretful that this incident took place, but at no time was anyone’s passwords or funds in jeopardy. We do recommend that all players use a high-level password for both their email and Betcoin accounts and that you activate 2fa for additional security. If anyone needs assistance with an email or password change or setting up 2fa, please contact us any time. We wish to thank all of our players who have been so loyal to us since we first started in 2013. In this new age of technology, you often hear about some of the largest companies in the world having been breached and unfortunately, this is how new security methods are created. But we are happy to say that, throughout these 6 years, we have never had a player balance or password compromised. We will continue to improve and refine our security methods and we look forward to the next 6 years and beyond of serving our great players. If you have any questions or concerns, please let us know via DM, support ticket or email. Thanks for the update and post on how your odds are derived.
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July 17, 2019, 06:50:28 AM |
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We compile all of our own odds. We are not reliant on any third party feeds. I "believe" that we are the only book in the crypto space that this is the case. I know that we dont have the same number of markets in sports as some of the others, but please remember guys we are predominately a racebook.
Thanks Shaun. I also believe that you are the only crypto book that's independent. I feel this must be very difficult to achieve, to be independent, but does that make you a sportsbook of choice for people? I guess the only way to find out is if the odds are actually different for them. I have learned now that sportsbooks that pay out with no fuss or shady business is of course most important,,, but it helps if the odds are better.
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July 18, 2019, 01:28:24 PM |
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I think there is also onehash which is "sort of" independent in the sense that you have to bet to make the odds, they do not give out any odds at all and whatever people decide to bet on will become the odd of that game, as in even if a team that would normally get 27.00 odd in somewhere else could be bet heavily for some reason in onehash and become 1.05 whereas a team with 1.05 could be bet against and get to 27.00 instead, it doesn't happen that drastically ever of course but that is the system they have built.
In that regard they do seem "independent" in the sense that they are not getting odds from any other provider neither. Of course, the whole system is different from regular fixed odds so I can't really say if that counts or not since we would have to first accept that system.
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July 18, 2019, 02:35:30 PM |
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I feel this must be very difficult to achieve, to be independent, but does that make you a sportsbook of choice for people? I guess the only way to find out is if the odds are actually different for them. I have learned now that sportsbooks that pay out with no fuss or shady business is of course most important,,, but it helps if the odds are better. We are in a agreement here on this point. Why would being "independent" in this case be any advantage whatsoever for the gambler? Especially if your "independent" odds are worst then most sportsbooks.
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July 21, 2019, 07:43:22 AM |
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I feel this must be very difficult to achieve, to be independent, but does that make you a sportsbook of choice for people? I guess the only way to find out is if the odds are actually different for them. I have learned now that sportsbooks that pay out with no fuss or shady business is of course most important,,, but it helps if the odds are better. We are in a agreement here on this point. Why would being "independent" in this case be any advantage whatsoever for the gambler? Especially if your "independent" odds are worst then most sportsbooks. Yes,,, I thought about it as well and looked even more online and it is actually very expensive to be independent. It means you have to do your own research and either hire other people to do the calculations or buy a software to do it for you,,, I think many people would prefer to enjoy other benefits especially better odds. And better odds means the site has to cut down on cost and just take odds from another provider, maybe tweak it a little.
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There are many bitcoin sportsbook that already existed. In fact, I never seen the nitrogen sport right now. But I know that they are operating till now. I am just not quite popular with this bitcoin sportsbook. Anyway, fortunejack is also. That is my site when I needed also a past time.
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July 25, 2019, 11:13:31 PM |
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I feel this must be very difficult to achieve, to be independent, but does that make you a sportsbook of choice for people? I guess the only way to find out is if the odds are actually different for them. I have learned now that sportsbooks that pay out with no fuss or shady business is of course most important,,, but it helps if the odds are better. We are in a agreement here on this point. Why would being "independent" in this case be any advantage whatsoever for the gambler? Especially if your "independent" odds are worst then most sportsbooks. Yes,,, I thought about it as well and looked even more online and it is actually very expensive to be independent. It means you have to do your own research and either hire other people to do the calculations or buy a software to do it for you,,, I think many people would prefer to enjoy other benefits especially better odds. And better odds means the site has to cut down on cost and just take odds from another provider, maybe tweak it a little. I agree with you here. Just goes to show that this thread might be the oldest (2014) bitcoin sportsbook rankings thread, but it doesnt mean its the most accurate
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July 27, 2019, 07:51:34 PM |
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I think it has never been in a stance of "this is the best ranking" type of deal, it was more like "lets come together and vote for the sportsbooks". It has never been objective in the sense that it has data that can back this up or what not, it doesn't use some algorithm or whatever to make the list more technological or robotic.
It is just a place where peep does whatever he wants and he comes in talks about what has changed in what place and what has improved, we go and play in those places and then we all come here and talk about how we feel about the sportsbook in general. If you can provide proof of you not being able to withdraw for 24 hours for example, peep would take notice and go do it himself too, if he has the same problem then he will downgrade it. This is not a universal ranking system, it is just us doing whatever we want.
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I think it has never been in a stance of "this is the best ranking" type of deal, it was more like "lets come together and vote for the sportsbooks". It has never been objective in the sense that it has data that can back this up or what not, it doesn't use some algorithm or whatever to make the list more technological or robotic.
It is just a place where peep does whatever he wants and he comes in talks about what has changed in what place and what has improved, we go and play in those places and then we all come here and talk about how we feel about the sportsbook in general. If you can provide proof of you not being able to withdraw for 24 hours for example, peep would take notice and go do it himself too, if he has the same problem then he will downgrade it. This is not a universal ranking system, it is just us doing whatever we want.
I agree with a lot of what you have written. This is a thread where we all come together to post our experiences and thoughts on sportsbooks. As you said if there's a problem in a payout, I'll try one myself and also contact the book on the player's behalf. Because this is a conglomeration of thoughts, it does portray a realistic view of ratings. It's best to look at many ratings guides. This one seems to be in line with most. Nitrogen and Betcoin are at or near the top of most guides.
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