[XMR] Monero Speculation

[explorer]

Patience is the key, but I hope we will see another pump soon... did not see that much action after the hard fork ( the real one ) and the coming ledger wallet...

  I expect the beast will reawaken somewhat with the point release.  Ledger support has been long awaited.

[teskostecenje]

Was expecting bigger pump because of moneroV fork but it seems its a good time to open short position on it for now since monero already had its pump untill ledger integration comes to play.Anyone got eta on when this will happen?

[solias]

Masari seems to be the only legit other cryptonote coin.

You're bordering on blatant promotion here. Come on.

MSR is ranked roughly #600 on coinmarketcap. It could have a great future and if so might become worthwhile to discuss as a direct competitive threat to Monero some day. but until then I have a hard time believing there aren't a good share of 600 others that are more relevant to this thread.

Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well. MSR appears interesting for the sharding, but haven't studied the design thoroughly yet. Not advertising the coin. I only meant to stimulate a discussion around the interaction of XMR with smaller, lighter coins, which could be the technical scheme required to face a large economy's volume of transactions; and its impact on the price, long-term.

[chennan]

Masari seems to be the only legit other cryptonote coin.

You're bordering on blatant promotion here. Come on.

MSR is ranked roughly #600 on coinmarketcap. It could have a great future and if so might become worthwhile to discuss as a direct competitive threat to Monero some day. but until then I have a hard time believing there aren't a good share of 600 others that are more relevant to this thread.

Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well. MSR appears interesting for the sharding, but haven't studied the design thoroughly yet. Not advertising the coin. I only meant to stimulate a discussion around the interaction of XMR with smaller, lighter coins, which could be the technical scheme required to face a large economy's volume of transactions; and its impact on the price, long-term.

Agreed as well, even though Smooth has never tried to stimulate conversation about his project over in this thread or other coin threads... so you have a good point about how they probably hold the same legitimacy trying to "tweak" some things to practically the same codebase as Monero to make them more "lightweight", he never goes around and tries to "preach the word" to other monero people here or anywhere else besides explaining his viewpoints on the Aeon rebase over at /r/Aeon or over at the other Aeon threads here on Bitcointalk.

[ePesoInitiative]

I'm guessing the Monero crash is a result of the impending MoneroV fork. It's another "sell the news" event. As usual, it will undershoot the market price, and provide a good buying opportunity.

As usual. Given that crypto is dominated by speculators of all types, whether long term hodlers or the quick in and out types. There will always be selling on the news. The key is always to buy on support levels.

[smooth]

Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well.

That's not really the issue. If people start going on about Aeon too much I squelch that too.

This is a Monero thread and very small coins just aren't relevant to Monero unless it is for some very specific reason (and sharing some of the same code isn't one). Maybe you weren't doing it deliberately but people form all coins are always trying to gain exposure for their favorite coin by injecting into other conversations, particularly conversations involving bigger coins with a larger audience and more investors. To keep this from turning into a shill-fest, its all considered off topic.

[solias]

Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well.

That's not really the issue. If people start going on about Aeon too much I squelch that too.

This is a Monero thread and very small coins just aren't relevant to Monero unless it is for some very specific reason (and sharing some of the same code isn't one). Maybe you weren't doing it deliberately but people form all coins are always trying to gain exposure for their favorite coin by injecting into other conversations, particularly conversations involving bigger coins with a larger audience and more investors. To keep this from turning into a shill-fest, its all considered off topic.

I agree that it might be useful to ban discussing any other coin by tacit contract to prevent the thread pollution, even when potentially relevant to Monero. I disagree that some cryptonote coins are irrelevant to xmr speculation, at least long-term, say ten years into the future. Perhaps we should start another thread confined to that topic.

[smooth]

Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well.

That's not really the issue. If people start going on about Aeon too much I squelch that too.

This is a Monero thread and very small coins just aren't relevant to Monero unless it is for some very specific reason (and sharing some of the same code isn't one). Maybe you weren't doing it deliberately but people form all coins are always trying to gain exposure for their favorite coin by injecting into other conversations, particularly conversations involving bigger coins with a larger audience and more investors. To keep this from turning into a shill-fest, its all considered off topic.

I agree that it might be useful to ban discussing any other coin by tacit contract to prevent the thread pollution, even when potentially relevant to Monero. I disagree that some cryptonote coins are irrelevant to xmr speculation, at least long-term, say ten years into the future. Perhaps we should start another thread confined to that topic.

There's nothing tacit. See the OP.

Off topic includes any extensive discussion of other coins, promoting other coins, or posting of promotional materials from other coins.

There is some subjectivity here, but "only legit other cryptonote coin" and given the tenuous at best relevance of a #600 coin, came off as promotion to me. Perhaps it wasn't intended as such, and indeed I didn't outright delete your post, just introduced a little speed bump on it.

[Sonajin_Coin]

It's a difficult call.  I believe the price is dependent on the level of regulation and aggressiveness from various governments around the world especially relating to Bitcoin.
If things hit the fan and people panic I think a lot of money will pour in from Bitcoin into Monero making the value rise beyond anything we've seen yet!

[bitebits]

How far is Monero from incorporating a Lightning Network? It would go a long way towards addressing critics’ scaling concerns. What would atomic crosschain swaps over Lightning do to Monero’s price?

The below posted today by SarangNoether might be interesting:

Refund Transactions

Informal discussions with a Purdue researcher at the IEEE workshop yielded great new information about refund transactions under active research by one of his students. Refund transactions are a necessary component of certain payment channel applications. A scheme was proposed to us that involves modifying the structure of outputs and ring signatures to allow for a sender to include two outputs: one is valid prior to a specified block height, and the other is valid afterward. We are working with the researchers on the details and security of this scheme, which could have great applications to Monero transactions.

https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/90028/sarang-funding-for-april-may-2018?page=&noscroll=1#post-94677

[Hueristic]

How far is Monero from incorporating a Lightning Network? It would go a long way towards addressing critics’ scaling concerns. What would atomic crosschain swaps over Lightning do to Monero’s price?

The below posted today by SarangNoether might be interesting:

Refund Transactions

Informal discussions with a Purdue researcher at the IEEE workshop yielded great new information about refund transactions under active research by one of his students. Refund transactions are a necessary component of certain payment channel applications. A scheme was proposed to us that involves modifying the structure of outputs and ring signatures to allow for a sender to include two outputs: one is valid prior to a specified block height, and the other is valid afterward. We are working with the researchers on the details and security of this scheme, which could have great applications to Monero transactions.

https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/90028/sarang-funding-for-april-may-2018?page=&noscroll=1#post-94677

Thanks, thats damn interesting and would certainly hurdle barriers to adoption.

[faruk34]

Monero is a secure, private and untraceable currency system. Monero uses a special encryption method to ensure that all transactions are 100% disconnected and untraceable. The money management is entirely yours. I think the price is now affordable. I think x2-x3 can do

[Hanke.io]

where is the ledger integration? It was "very very soon" two weeks ago

[Febo]

where is the ledger integration? It was "very very soon" two weeks ago

It cant officially happen before there is 0.12.1  Should happen this month for sure. Probably first half.

[Shnikes101]

where is the ledger integration? It was "very very soon" two weeks ago

It cant officially happen before there is 0.12.1  Should happen this month for sure. Probably first half.

Read somewhere reddit/twitter that 0.12.1 is one to two weeks out.
Still expecting cli only. Would be a great surprise to see gui integration but I really doubt it.

[Febo]

where is the ledger integration? It was "very very soon" two weeks ago

It cant officially happen before there is 0.12.1  Should happen this month for sure. Probably first half.

Read somewhere reddit/twitter that 0.12.1 is one to two weeks out.
Still expecting cli only. Would be a great surprise to see gui integration but I really doubt it.

Similar was said on last developers meeting. I guess best is to wait till next one, upcoming Sunday, we might already have the exact date.    My point was more that it is not up to ledger guys right now. After there will be 1.12.1 then we might bug them with questions what are their plans.

[Shnikes101]

where is the ledger integration? It was "very very soon" two weeks ago

It cant officially happen before there is 0.12.1  Should happen this month for sure. Probably first half.

Read somewhere reddit/twitter that 0.12.1 is one to two weeks out.
Still expecting cli only. Would be a great surprise to see gui integration but I really doubt it.

Similar was said on last developers meeting. I guess best is to wait till next one, upcoming Sunday, we might already have the exact date.    My point was more that it is not up to ledger guys right now. After there will be 1.12.1 then we might bug them with questions what are their plans.

10-4. That's a solid reminder. Still working on this whole patience is a virtue thing 

[Hueristic]

Dammit can't make a buy, not at home and my password file got corrupted on the laptop, well at least I remembered the password for important shit like this board and my emails. . Perfect time to grab some and by the time I get home I'm sure price will be up again v/s BTC.

[kurious]

Monero could be a good investment because many people consider investing in digital currencies. Since our technological world is changing, you can transact fast, secure, and anonymously. It uses a technology similar to the Virtual Private Network, thus defining itself as untraceable.

Thank you for your enlightening post and wonderful thoughts which will no doubt widen and deepen the level of the debate here on this thread... 

The interesting links shown in your signature made your post all the more welcome.

[Anon136]

Monero could be a good investment because many people consider investing in digital currencies. Since our technological world is changing, you can transact fast, secure, and anonymously. It uses a technology similar to the Virtual Private Network, thus defining itself as untraceable.

Thank you for your enlightening post and wonderful thoughts which will no doubt widen and deepen the level of the debate here on this thread...  

The interesting links shown in your signature made your post all the more welcome.

His post could be good investment advice because it contained many different words and several parts of speech. It was similar to many other posts of which some were longer and others were shorter, thus defining itself as indispensable.