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February 20, 2018, 07:02:24 PM
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My calculations are the same. This pool needs to hit 8 blocks a month for the payout to be more. 1.1% is a big difference if you are making a fixed amount per month but that is not the case. I understand we look back at the history but what history doesn’t take into account is the amount of new hashing power that has come online and will continue to drive the difficulty to the moon. We need to promote the crap out of this pool and start now. It is the BEST pool here hands down but we are not going to win anymore miners here until WE step up and make it happen. When it becomes unaffordable for the larger miners to mine here, they will slowly leave too. It is more than just money to some but eventually everyone will have a breaking point for one reason or another. I love this pool and you guys are the best but we need to get off our asses and come up with a solution.

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool, what should be happening is you and everyone already on the pool should be buying more hardware to keep up with the difficulty, getting the rest of the pool bigger but staying the same yourself means you will just get smaller and smaller rewards.

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself. This isn't something new its something everyone has had to do since mining began.


I pointed this out months ago and got all kinds of 'stupid native yelling' thrown back at me...  enjoy mining your smugness


We will enjoy it......except for DPoS2

Nothing happens until something moves.

MINE ON WITH KANO........except DPoS2
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February 20, 2018, 07:09:11 PM
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We will enjoy it......except for DPoS2
This never gets old... Ha!

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February 20, 2018, 07:10:35 PM
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My calculations are the same. This pool needs to hit 8 blocks a month for the payout to be more. 1.1% is a big difference if you are making a fixed amount per month but that is not the case. I understand we look back at the history but what history doesn’t take into account is the amount of new hashing power that has come online and will continue to drive the difficulty to the moon. We need to promote the crap out of this pool and start now. It is the BEST pool here hands down but we are not going to win anymore miners here until WE step up and make it happen. When it becomes unaffordable for the larger miners to mine here, they will slowly leave too. It is more than just money to some but eventually everyone will have a breaking point for one reason or another. I love this pool and you guys are the best but we need to get off our asses and come up with a solution.

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool, what should be happening is you and everyone already on the pool should be buying more hardware to keep up with the difficulty, getting the rest of the pool bigger but staying the same yourself means you will just get smaller and smaller rewards.

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself. This isn't something new its something everyone has had to do since mining began.

If we all had the money to double our mining operations we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Essentially, since December, each and everyone one of us would have had to double their operation. I am out of power at my home. I can not add anything more. So while your statement in theory is the correct approach, real world application is not possible for some. I am currently setting up a mining facility to do just that and have 3 partners also included in the effort. Together we have purchased 100 additional S9s on the March batch. I understand what you are saying and I am in agreement and also actively doing something about it but that solution is not as easily implemented in the real world as it is on paper.

Well here is a good example of what not to do, lol

I got into mining in late December 2017, and yes I overpaid and bought the miners thru ebay... before prices started falling on mining equipment and bitcoin. (You know FOMO fear of missing out)

So I paid a high premium to get in... (not real smart I know but i was naive)  

Looking back, I'd have been better off spending that money on purchasing bitcoin (assuming I could have hit the low end of the market which I doubt would have happened)... probably could have 2 bitcoin or more if I'd timed it right

It is what it is now though and keep on mining!

But unless the new miners get dirt cheap, or we see a drastic increase in hash power with new machines coming on board, I can't afford to add more miners when I'm not making any money anyway.  Now understand I am not trying to pull any money out from this venture, just let it set and build a nestegg for 5-10 years down the line when I decide to retire.

If it were not for free electricity and me having the cash to invest, I'd be screwed.  But I've also learned a lot (still learning) about mining and bitcoin.  

One thing is for sure, mining is not for the faint of heart!!

Thanks to Kano and to all of you for this Forum and all your help and hard work!


in the crypto space, you cannot be short-term results oriented, otherwise the swings will destroy you.

you need to answer one fundamental question to yourself and that is: why did i get into crypto, or specifically bitcoin, in the first place? for me, once i managed to answer the question for myself, i was able to make a commitment in investing a substantial amount of time and money. the actual amount is not a finite figure but relative to my means.

i'm turning my back to a quite lucrative estate business to be in this space, because i'm just too tired and fed-up of the current world and climate, and all the bs that this business represents.

the current price of bitcoin is a distraction. weather it surges or plummets 80% tomorrow, my reaction should be pretty much the same, and it actually is. why is that? because i am reminded by my version of the answer to the question. do i want to be involved in bitcoin for the immediate dollar gain and feel like an investment genius, or for the potential role it may play in our lives 5, 10 years from now, or even more?

that is the only justified speculation... i.e. the off-chance that bitcoin (or some form of crypto) may actually save us in the end...... how it gets there, is irrelevant.
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February 20, 2018, 07:20:48 PM
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Yep, while the short-term swings are nice (and bad), it's all about what BTC will be 2-4 years from now.  We're still at the beginning stages.

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February 20, 2018, 08:53:50 PM
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Alright everyone...

If you've got hate in your heart...let it out.

I am by no means a graphic designer but we've all been saying we need to do SOMETHING to spread the word. I've come up with a few graphics and as of now I'm just wanting input or if you can do it better then by all means, please do it better. I just wanted to do something because my measly hashrate is not doing anything apparently Wink I haven't discovered a single block.

So please give me your thoughts and let's think of ways to spread the word. If someone can let me know the specific sizes these images need to be I don't mind creating banners, signatures, whatever you need to spread the Kano word.

Without further ado...I will be adding images one by one and editing the post to see which ones actually post and which you have to follow the link for.














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February 20, 2018, 08:58:00 PM
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Yep, while the short-term swings are nice (and bad), it's all about what BTC will be 2-4 years from now.  We're still at the beginning stages.



Agreed!
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February 20, 2018, 09:06:30 PM
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Lots of good points, and counterpoints, since my post this morning. I still think it would be helpful for everyone if we recruited
more miners. Though it's starting to seem like the big players here, are much more concerned with keeping smaller players
on the bench. Regardless of people buying better equipment, why not add more people? Is it better to keep people out, and
get a better payout between less people, OR, add more people, and capture more hash power to find blocks quicker, and increase
the frequency of payouts?

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February 20, 2018, 09:08:28 PM
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Alright everyone...

If you've got hate in your heart...let it out.

I am by no means a graphic designer but we've all been saying we need to do SOMETHING to spread the word. I've come up with a few graphics and as of now I'm just wanting input or if you can do it better then by all means, please do it better. I just wanted to do something because my measly hashrate is not doing anything apparently Wink I haven't discovered a single block.

So please give me your thoughts and let's think of ways to spread the word. If someone can let me know the specific sizes these images need to be I don't mind creating banners, signatures, whatever you need to spread the Kano word.

Without further ado...I will be adding images one by one and editing the post to see which ones actually post and which you have to follow the link for.

https://s13.postimg.org/x5u74em3r/Copy_of_Copy_of_KANO_1.jpg


https://s13.postimg.org/w3k0lvb07/Copy_of_Copy_of_KANO_2.jpg


https://s13.postimg.org/mvrs56jdj/Copy_of_Copy_of_KANO_3.jpg


https://s13.postimg.org/xvczgshif/Copy_of_KANO.jpg


https://s13.postimg.org/5ihhqbgcn/KANO.jpg


I don't hate them, but I don't see the point. I understand that SOME are attracted by these, but those type of miners aren't the ones planning to stick around because of the "cool design". If you've read the posts and I'm sure you have, a lot of miners are looking for the frequent payouts and that is something you can't control even with more hash, unless you had a significant amount of hash power, you may be able to sway some more chances (still luck). I also understand this is what you're hoping to accomplish with a different design, but I'm used to the Kano site and I have no problems with it.

I do think it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have something like this to work in conjunction with Kano such as minergain, ckpool status, etc. I just personally don't feel like it would make the slightest difference in keeping people in the pool. Not to mention the smaller payouts if we were to say double the hash rate. I'll admit I'm cynical about the idea, but I feel it's for good reason. Just my opinion, nice graphics though.

EDIT: I would like to clarify that I am for more hash power, but I also understand that it is not a direct correlation to increases our block count. I don't want to "hate" on these ideas and discourage anyone. I'm just waiting for an approach that makes the most sense and I believe Kano would know best on how to achieve that. On that note, If Kano has any suggestions that may help, it would be great to share.

Nothing happens until something moves.

MINE ON WITH KANO........except DPoS2
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February 20, 2018, 09:10:00 PM
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Alright everyone...

If you've got hate in your heart...let it out.

I am by no means a graphic designer but we've all been saying we need to do SOMETHING to spread the word. I've come up with a few graphics and as of now I'm just wanting input or if you can do it better then by all means, please do it better. I just wanted to do something because my measly hashrate is not doing anything apparently Wink I haven't discovered a single block.

So please give me your thoughts and let's think of ways to spread the word. If someone can let me know the specific sizes these images need to be I don't mind creating banners, signatures, whatever you need to spread the Kano word.

Without further ado...I will be adding images one by one and editing the post to see which ones actually post and which you have to follow the link for.




This is a great start! I've been promoting for a couple of weeks, and everything helps. Great work!

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Help support the BTCitcoin community!!! Mine your BTCitcoin at a non-Corporate pool!!! BTC: 1ShazamjsPnpWDNnk3n2tAiKGMdXaSjay
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Alright everyone...

If you've got hate in your heart...let it out.

I am by no means a graphic designer but we've all been saying we need to do SOMETHING to spread the word. I've come up with a few graphics and as of now I'm just wanting input or if you can do it better then by all means, please do it better. I just wanted to do something because my measly hashrate is not doing anything apparently Wink I haven't discovered a single block.

So please give me your thoughts and let's think of ways to spread the word. If someone can let me know the specific sizes these images need to be I don't mind creating banners, signatures, whatever you need to spread the Kano word.

Without further ado...I will be adding images one by one and editing the post to see which ones actually post and which you have to follow the link for.

https://s13.postimg.org/x5u74em3r/Copy_of_Copy_of_KANO_1.jpg


https://s13.postimg.org/w3k0lvb07/Copy_of_Copy_of_KANO_2.jpg


https://s13.postimg.org/mvrs56jdj/Copy_of_Copy_of_KANO_3.jpg


https://s13.postimg.org/xvczgshif/Copy_of_KANO.jpg


https://s13.postimg.org/5ihhqbgcn/KANO.jpg


I don't hate them, but I don't see the point. I understand that SOME are attracted by these, but those type of miners aren't the ones planning to stick around because of the "cool design". If you've read the posts and I'm sure you have, a lot of miners are looking for the frequent payouts and that is something you can't control even with more hash, unless you had a significant amount of hash power, you may be able to sway some more chances (still luck). I also understand this is what you're hoping to accomplish with a different design, but I'm used to the Kano site and I have no problems with it.

I do think it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have something like this to work in conjunction with Kano such as minergain, ckpool status, etc. I just personally don't feel like it would make the slightest difference in keeping people in the pool. Not to mention the smaller payouts if we were to say double the hash rate. I'll admit I'm cynical about the idea, but I feel it's for good reason. Just my opinion, nice graphics though.

My idea would be to target the millions of workers on Antpool that just aren't taking the time to realize there are other options. So many people I'm sure, just leave their rigs on Antpool because it's bitmain. Bitmain pushes the pool on their site, so I don't see why we couldn't take out some ad space somewhere. I'll chip in on the first run at Minergain if he's open to posting it. But imagine if a graphic were posted on some of these difficulty sites where people track it, or on the bitcoin news sites, any exposure is better than none IF and only if your goal is to bring more people in. Get people talking.

Minergain let me know what some ad space would run on your page and we'll work something out. Again, I know this isn't the fix for what some would argue isn't even broken. I'm happy here at Kano or else I wouldn't be here like many of you. I enjoy the community, even though we argue, we don't see eye to eye, and everyone has their own opinion. But what I can suggest is, if I'm helping a newb anywhere on Bitcointalk in some other random thread and have a signature banner etc. pointing them to Kano, where I mine, they may just ask about it. They might finally google PPLNS and realize there are other options. Who knows, but it's worth a shot. I'm simply trying to bring ideas to life. Someone here said we needed graphics.

I also have no qualms with the site, which is why two of the graphics have a strikingly similar color style to them from the kano site. *tip of the hat* It won't look weird if they saw the graphic color scheme first, it would all tie together.
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February 20, 2018, 09:22:18 PM
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So for example, this is off the top of my head, but if some of the larger players (or anyone for that matter) was willing to VOLUNTARILY pay a VERY SLIGHTLY extra fee percentage (say roughly .01% or whatever) to be redistributed (god, I hate the way that sounds) to the smaller miners --OR-- an even smaller percentage that could go to a random lucky miner under and over a certain terahash or time frame commitment , it may be interesting enough for others to stick around to hit that second lottery. This would be a completely voluntary program to those who wished to donate back to the pool community.

I for one would be on board. Just an idea......though I don't have any cool graphics to back it up.  Embarrassed

Nothing happens until something moves.

MINE ON WITH KANO........except DPoS2
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February 20, 2018, 09:23:21 PM
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Alright everyone...

If you've got hate in your heart...let it out.

I am by no means a graphic designer but we've all been saying we need to do SOMETHING to spread the word. I've come up with a few graphics and as of now I'm just wanting input or if you can do it better then by all means, please do it better. I just wanted to do something because my measly hashrate is not doing anything apparently Wink I haven't discovered a single block.

So please give me your thoughts and let's think of ways to spread the word. If someone can let me know the specific sizes these images need to be I don't mind creating banners, signatures, whatever you need to spread the Kano word.

Without further ado...I will be adding images one by one and editing the post to see which ones actually post and which you have to follow the link for.
















First one is hard to read IMO, rest are fine.
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February 20, 2018, 09:28:38 PM
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Alright everyone...

If you've got hate in your heart...let it out.

I am by no means a graphic designer but we've all been saying we need to do SOMETHING to spread the word. I've come up with a few graphics and as of now I'm just wanting input or if you can do it better then by all means, please do it better. I just wanted to do something because my measly hashrate is not doing anything apparently Wink I haven't discovered a single block.

So please give me your thoughts and let's think of ways to spread the word. If someone can let me know the specific sizes these images need to be I don't mind creating banners, signatures, whatever you need to spread the Kano word.

Without further ado...I will be adding images one by one and editing the post to see which ones actually post and which you have to follow the link for.
















First one is hard to read IMO, rest are fine.

I will say for not being a graphic designer, these are actually pretty damn good and better than I could come up with, as far as that goes.

Nothing happens until something moves.

MINE ON WITH KANO........except DPoS2
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My idea would be to target the millions of workers on Antpool that just aren't taking the time to realize there are other options. So many people I'm sure, just leave their rigs on Antpool because it's bitmain. Bitmain pushes the pool on their site, so I don't see why we couldn't take out some ad space somewhere. I'll chip in on the first run at Minergain if he's open to posting it. But imagine if a graphic were posted on some of these difficulty sites where people track it, or on the bitcoin news sites, any exposure is better than none IF and only if your goal is to bring more people in. Get people talking.

Minergain let me know what some ad space would run on your page and we'll work something out. Again, I know this isn't the fix for what some would argue isn't even broken. I'm happy here at Kano or else I wouldn't be here like many of you. I enjoy the community, even though we argue, we don't see eye to eye, and everyone has their own opinion. But what I can suggest is, if I'm helping a newb anywhere on Bitcointalk in some other random thread and have a signature banner etc. pointing them to Kano, where I mine, they may just ask about it. They might finally google PPLNS and realize there are other options. Who knows, but it's worth a shot. I'm simply trying to bring ideas to life. Someone here said we needed graphics.

I also have no qualms with the site, which is why two of the graphics have a strikingly similar color style to them from the kano site. *tip of the hat* It won't look weird if they saw the graphic color scheme first, it would all tie together.


And this is EXACTLY what it's about! Taking back from the corporate monsters, who subliminally slip their pool into everything.
When I made my signature back in December, that's what I was promoting for: Help the smaller pools, and the community they
represent. If, and when, you hear back from Minergain, please let me know. I too, would like to contribute towards marketing
Kano's pool. For now, I'm going to post the sh*t out of your banners on the groups I'm in on social media.

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So ... in an attempt to get some large miners on board Smiley
I'll post  this here now and then work out how to get the attention of said larger miners ...

10 BTC giveaway to LARGE miners

Anyone with NON-RENTAL hash rate - i.e. their own miners, who shows on the rewards page a "Your N Avg" of exactly 9.5PH/s or more -
yes a large miner - for any block that they find, will get a bonus 1 BTC block finder reward for up to a maximum of 3 blocks per miner.

Total BTC I'll be giving out will be 10 BTC i.e. a total of ten 1 BTC block finder rewards.

The bonus 1 BTC block finder reward will not be taken from the block reward to miners - i.e. no miners will be getting paid less due to the block finder reward.

So how can a large miner get this 1, 2 or 3 BTC bonus reward?
They have to ramp up to over 9.5PHs then find a block.

Are there any quick ways to ramp up to 9.5PHs?
Yep - if you have 20PHs then you'll ramp up to 9.5PHs in less than 2.5Nd i.e. twice as fast.
Of course if you have more than that, the ramp to 9.5PHs will be faster again.

Does this affect the ramp time?
Yes, adding more hash rate to the pool reduces the time of the 5Nd ramp.
e.g. at the moment assuming we were 50PH/s then adding another 10PH/s to the pool would reduce the ramp time by 20%

If you know anyone on any bitmain pools or slush (which is probably now a bitmain pool also) with over 10PH then tell them about it Smiley

... and cryptostarusa can't get it Smiley

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February 20, 2018, 09:49:32 PM
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So ... in an attempt to get some large miners on board Smiley
I'll post  this here now and then work out how to get the attention of said larger miners ...

10 BTC giveaway to LARGE miners

Anyone with NON-RENTAL hash rate - i.e. their own miners, who shows on the rewards page a "Your N Avg" of exactly 9.5PH/s or more -
yes a large miner - for any block that they find, will get a bonus 1 BTC block finder reward for up to a maximum of 3 blocks per miner.

Total BTC I'll be giving out will be 10 BTC i.e. a total of ten 1 BTC block finder rewards.

The bonus 1 BTC block finder reward will not be taken from the block reward to miners - i.e. no miners will be getting paid less due to the block finder reward.

So how can a large miner get this 1, 2 or 3 BTC bonus reward?
They have to ramp up to over 9.5PHs then find a block.

Are there any quick ways to ramp up to 9.5PHs?
Yep - if you have 20PHs then you'll ramp up to 9.5PHs in less than 2.5Nd i.e. twice as fast.
Of course if you have more than that, the ramp to 9.5PHs will be faster again.

Does this affect the ramp time?
Yes, adding more hash rate to the pool reduces the time of the 5Nd ramp.
e.g. at the moment assuming we were 50PH/s then adding another 10PH/s to the pool would reduce the ramp time by 20%

If you know anyone on any bitmain pools or slush (which is probably now a bitmain pool also) with over 10PH then tell them about it Smiley

... and cryptostarusa can't get it Smiley

Poor cryptostarusa will be sad Wink
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So ... in an attempt to get some large miners on board Smiley
I'll post  this here now and then work out how to get the attention of said larger miners ...

10 BTC giveaway to LARGE miners

Anyone with NON-RENTAL hash rate - i.e. their own miners, who shows on the rewards page a "Your N Avg" of exactly 9.5PH/s or more -
yes a large miner - for any block that they find, will get a bonus 1 BTC block finder reward for up to a maximum of 3 blocks per miner.

Total BTC I'll be giving out will be 10 BTC i.e. a total of ten 1 BTC block finder rewards.

The bonus 1 BTC block finder reward will not be taken from the block reward to miners - i.e. no miners will be getting paid less due to the block finder reward.

So how can a large miner get this 1, 2 or 3 BTC bonus reward?
They have to ramp up to over 9.5PHs then find a block.

Are there any quick ways to ramp up to 9.5PHs?
Yep - if you have 20PHs then you'll ramp up to 9.5PHs in less than 2.5Nd i.e. twice as fast.
Of course if you have more than that, the ramp to 9.5PHs will be faster again.

Does this affect the ramp time?
Yes, adding more hash rate to the pool reduces the time of the 5Nd ramp.
e.g. at the moment assuming we were 50PH/s then adding another 10PH/s to the pool would reduce the ramp time by 20%

If you know anyone on any bitmain pools or slush (which is probably now a bitmain pool also) with over 10PH then tell them about it Smiley

... and cryptostarusa can't get it Smiley

Wow! Thank you Kano.

Hopefully we can pick up another 75-100PH. This is an outstanding offer in my opinion.

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February 20, 2018, 09:57:38 PM
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In case anyone wants to spread the word about the new giveaway...


https://postimg.org/image/xp3vr6pyr/
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In case anyone wants to spread the word about the new giveaway...


https://postimg.org/image/xp3vr6pyr/

Might want that link to be:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg30717631#msg30717631


There are a lot of pages here.

Edit: I had linked to the wrong post
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In case anyone wants to spread the word about the new giveaway...

https://postimg.org/image/xp3vr6pyr/

Might want that link to be:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg30717631#msg30717631


There are a lot of pages here.

Edit: I had linked to the wrong post
It's in the first post also.

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