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[perfectplus174]

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.

I guess not everyone agrees with you... 

No I agree with Biffa.
It's about getting the hash rate up a lot.

While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot.
The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners.
This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some.

See, I wasn't aware it was about the number of miners. I thought it was strictly the hash rate that affected the diff. Interesting.

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[rifleman74]

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.

I guess not everyone agrees with you... 

No I agree with Biffa.
It's about getting the hash rate up a lot.

While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot.
The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners.
This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some.

Essentially doubling the hash rate is what you're looking for, so up to 100PH or so?

[rifleman74]

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.

I guess not everyone agrees with you... 

No I agree with Biffa.
It's about getting the hash rate up a lot.

While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot.
The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners.
This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some.

See, I wasn't aware it was about the number of miners. I thought it was strictly the hash rate that affected the diff. Interesting.

I think what he means is that there is only a small number of people who own 9.5PH or higher worth of gear vs you, me, DPos2, and others buying up enough gear to combine for 9.5PH or higher.   It's easier to get a bigger fish to move over than for all of us to do it collectively.   

[perfectplus174]

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.

I guess not everyone agrees with you...  

No I agree with Biffa.
It's about getting the hash rate up a lot.

While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot.
The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners.
This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some.

See, I wasn't aware it was about the number of miners. I thought it was strictly the hash rate that affected the diff. Interesting.

I think what he means is that there is only a small number of people who own 9.5PH or higher worth of gear vs you, me, DPos2, and others buying up enough gear to combine for 9.5PH or higher.   It's easier to get a bigger fish to move over than for all of us to do it collectively.  

Ahh, my mistake. Transferring existing PH over to this pool, not encouraging more to join mining, got it. Sometimes it pays to sit back a bit before posting. That definitely makes more sense hahaha

[kano]

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.

I guess not everyone agrees with you... 

No I agree with Biffa.
It's about getting the hash rate up a lot.

While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot.
The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners.
This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some.

See, I wasn't aware it was about the number of miners. I thought it was strictly the hash rate that affected the diff. Interesting.

I think what he means is that there is only a small number of people who own 9.5PH or higher worth of gear vs you, me, DPos2, and others buying up enough gear to combine for 9.5PH or higher.   It's easier to get a bigger fish to move over than for all of us to do it collectively.   

Yes it's very hard to get 10PHs of miners.
Heh - even I couldn't get 1PH of miners from Bitmain or Canaan when I tried to directly

[fjtropepe]

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.

I guess not everyone agrees with you...  

No I agree with Biffa.
It's about getting the hash rate up a lot.

While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot.
The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners.
This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some.

Biffa's idea works also, but I don't think everyone is trying to keep up with the Diff changes, so we need to keep ahead of them somehow.

Break it down for me. It is blowing over my head. If you wanted to add 1000 S9s what is the difference between 1 person owning them and 1000 different owners. We all get paid for our share relative to the whole pool, not the number of owners correct? Or am I wrong?

[perfectplus174]

Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool...

Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself.

I guess not everyone agrees with you...  

No I agree with Biffa.
It's about getting the hash rate up a lot.

While adding losta small miners means more hash rate, we don't want to fall behind the Diff rate rising, we want to get ahead of it a lot.
The only way I can see that happening is getting a number of large miners on board - but that wont be a lot of miners.
This will only attract a small number of miners, but make a big difference to the pool if we do get some.

Biffa's idea works also, but I don't think everyone is trying to keep up with the Diff changes, so we need to keep ahead of them somehow.

Break it down for me. It is blowing over my head. If you wanted to add 1000 S9s what is the difference between 1 person owning them and 1000 different owners. We all get paid for our share relative to the whole pool, not the number of owners correct? Or am I wrong?

Because it would be adding that much more to the total network hash rate instead of convincing that already existing hash to move pools. More hash is more hash, but it would be ideal to not add more to the network to keep the diff lower.

[fjtropepe]

What I was referring to with Biffa is getting more miners here on this pool and getting more of the network hashrate. Not going out and adding to the hashrate. He (Biffa) is stating that we should go out and "add" to the hasrate and thus add to the increased difficulty. I would rather take from the current total network and transfer a larger percentage over to us. That is why I am asking after he (Kano) said he agreed with Biffa.

[perfectplus174]

What I was referring to with Biffa is getting more miners here on this pool and getting more of the network hashrate. Not going out and adding to the hashrate. He is stating that we should go out and "add" to the hasrate and thus add to the increased difficulty. I would rather take from the current total network and transfer a larger percentage over to us. That is why I am asking after he said he agreed with Biffa.

Either works, but the latter would be best.

[perfectplus174]

I'm curious who has the least amount of hash and has found a block here on Kano Pool.

[fjtropepe]

I'm curious who has the least amount of hash and has found a block here on Kano Pool.

Depends on the year you are talking about.

[perfectplus174]

I'm curious who has the least amount of hash and has found a block here on Kano Pool.

Depends on the year you are talking about.

Valid point. Let's go with 2017 or the last 88 blocks on the list.

[rifleman74]

Because it would be adding that much more to the total network hash rate instead of convincing that already existing hash to move pools. More hash is more hash, but it would be ideal to not add more to the network to keep the diff lower.

That's it right there...existing miners instead of brand new hash.  That makes much more sense for all.  I'd expect to see some big movers coming over in the next week. 

[Shazam!!!]

Because it would be adding that much more to the total network hash rate instead of convincing that already existing hash to move pools. More hash is more hash, but it would be ideal to not add more to the network to keep the diff lower.

That's it right there...existing miners instead of brand new hash.  That makes much more sense for all.  I'd expect to see some big movers coming over in the next week. 

That's the whole idea, behind my signature. There are tons of AntMiner owners, who are preprogrammed with disaster, and they
don't know any better. They hear Ant, and they figure it's gotta be the best. A little bit of educational promotion, can go along way.
Once they know they can earn more outside of their comfort zone, they'll want to make the switch.

[kano]

What I was referring to with Biffa is getting more miners here on this pool and getting more of the network hashrate. Not going out and adding to the hashrate. He (Biffa) is stating that we should go out and "add" to the hasrate and thus add to the increased difficulty. I would rather take from the current total network and transfer a larger percentage over to us. That is why I am asking after he (Kano) said he agreed with Biffa.

The reason why Biffa is correct is that if no one was increasing their hash rate, then the pool falls behind the "Diff Curve"

Yes of course adding to the "Diff Curve" ourselves pushes the "Diff Curve" up, but in reality that isn't the case,
since if we don't, then someone else will buy those miners and push the "Diff Curve" up.

There's been no lack of available buyers for available new miners for a long time.
i.e. you haven't been able to slow down the "Diff Curve", by abstaining from buying miners, for a long time.

Indeed getting large miners to move over from somewhere else is the best solution, but once we have some over here, we can't say:
'OK that's it, we don't need to keep up with the "Diff Curve"'

[fjtropepe]

What I was referring to with Biffa is getting more miners here on this pool and getting more of the network hashrate. Not going out and adding to the hashrate. He (Biffa) is stating that we should go out and "add" to the hasrate and thus add to the increased difficulty. I would rather take from the current total network and transfer a larger percentage over to us. That is why I am asking after he (Kano) said he agreed with Biffa.

The reason why Biffa is correct is that if no one was increasing their hash rate, then the pool falls behind the "Diff Curve"

Yes of course adding to the "Diff Curve" ourselves pushes the "Diff Curve" up, but in reality that isn't the case,
since if we don't, then someone else will buy those miners and push the "Diff Curve" up.

There's been no lack of available buyers for available new miners for a long time.
i.e. you haven't been able to slow down the "Diff Curve", by abstaining from buying miners, for a long time.

Indeed getting large miners to move over from somewhere else is the best solution, but once we have some over here, we can't say:
'OK that's it, we don't need to keep up with the "Diff Curve"'

Well, hopefully, it will slow down here. There have been new S9s available from Bitmain for over a week now. We need to tackle this issue and stay on top of it. Glad to have you in charge and we all really appreciate your support here.

[kano]

What I was referring to with Biffa is getting more miners here on this pool and getting more of the network hashrate. Not going out and adding to the hashrate. He (Biffa) is stating that we should go out and "add" to the hasrate and thus add to the increased difficulty. I would rather take from the current total network and transfer a larger percentage over to us. That is why I am asking after he (Kano) said he agreed with Biffa.

The reason why Biffa is correct is that if no one was increasing their hash rate, then the pool falls behind the "Diff Curve"

Yes of course adding to the "Diff Curve" ourselves pushes the "Diff Curve" up, but in reality that isn't the case,
since if we don't, then someone else will buy those miners and push the "Diff Curve" up.

There's been no lack of available buyers for available new miners for a long time.
i.e. you haven't been able to slow down the "Diff Curve", by abstaining from buying miners, for a long time.

Indeed getting large miners to move over from somewhere else is the best solution, but once we have some over here, we can't say:
'OK that's it, we don't need to keep up with the "Diff Curve"'

Well, hopefully, it will slow down here. There have been new S9s available from Bitmain for over a week now. We need to tackle this issue and stay on top of it. Glad to have you in charge and we all really appreciate your support here.

I'd expect (without much doubt about being correct) that Bitmain mines with their miners before they send them out ...

[fjtropepe]

What I was referring to with Biffa is getting more miners here on this pool and getting more of the network hashrate. Not going out and adding to the hashrate. He (Biffa) is stating that we should go out and "add" to the hasrate and thus add to the increased difficulty. I would rather take from the current total network and transfer a larger percentage over to us. That is why I am asking after he (Kano) said he agreed with Biffa.

The reason why Biffa is correct is that if no one was increasing their hash rate, then the pool falls behind the "Diff Curve"

Yes of course adding to the "Diff Curve" ourselves pushes the "Diff Curve" up, but in reality that isn't the case,
since if we don't, then someone else will buy those miners and push the "Diff Curve" up.

There's been no lack of available buyers for available new miners for a long time.
i.e. you haven't been able to slow down the "Diff Curve", by abstaining from buying miners, for a long time.

Indeed getting large miners to move over from somewhere else is the best solution, but once we have some over here, we can't say:
'OK that's it, we don't need to keep up with the "Diff Curve"'

Well, hopefully, it will slow down here. There have been new S9s available from Bitmain for over a week now. We need to tackle this issue and stay on top of it. Glad to have you in charge and we all really appreciate your support here.

I'd expect (without much doubt about being correct) that Bitmain mines with their miners before they send them out ...

No way.... The audacity... 

[perfectplus174]

That's either a block I heard cracking or this piece of shit chair I'm sitting in...

[rifleman74]

That's either a block I heard cracking or this piece of shit chair I'm sitting in...

Time for a new chair!


MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!