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I like whats going on with the block rewards, thats almost 2 btc worth of transaction fees.... looks like mining is setup to work well even after the block rewards eventually disappear. Hopefully this trend continues.
Ya know, that's the question that keeps coming up with my partner and other folks...what about after mining? My understanding (well...assumption...) has always been that the network would continue to have blocks to solve, but there just would not be the reward of any coins generated...because they've all been created. You'd be solving blocks only for the transaction fees. For someone like myself, that's still worthwhile, at least with the free-powered gear, and I'd like to do what I can to support the network (I run a full node now). The key would be as to whether folks like Kano could afford/would want to run pools at that point. If there's another, more appropriate, place to talk this thing over, please post a link. I find it intriguing. |
To infinity and beyond...on two 741s and one of only 3...nope, make that 4...full nodes in Hawaii...on <30A. (I have other gear on the Hoth ice planet)
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kano (OP)
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February 08, 2017, 12:19:40 AM |
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I like whats going on with the block rewards, thats almost 2 btc worth of transaction fees.... looks like mining is setup to work well even after the block rewards eventually disappear. Hopefully this trend continues.
Ya know, that's the question that keeps coming up with my partner and other folks...what about after mining? My understanding (well...assumption...) has always been that the network would continue to have blocks to solve, but there just would not be the reward of any coins generated...because they've all been created. You'd be solving blocks only for the transaction fees. For someone like myself, that's still worthwhile, at least with the free-powered gear, and I'd like to do what I can to support the network (I run a full node now). The key would be as to whether folks like Kano could afford/would want to run pools at that point. If there's another, more appropriate, place to talk this thing over, please post a link. I find it intriguing. That is in the original design spec by satoshi  http://kano.is/bitcoin.pdfPage 4: 6. Incentive To be blunt, any 'bitcoin experts' who can't see that working with the design, are only into bitcoin for the short term. Pump and dump like altcoins. Also one of the reasons why I dislike what core devs are trying to do bitcoin, give them more centralised control and break that design with LN. |
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philipma1957
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February 08, 2017, 01:03:58 AM |
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I like whats going on with the block rewards, thats almost 2 btc worth of transaction fees.... looks like mining is setup to work well even after the block rewards eventually disappear. Hopefully this trend continues.
Ya know, that's the question that keeps coming up with my partner and other folks...what about after mining? My understanding (well...assumption...) has always been that the network would continue to have blocks to solve, but there just would not be the reward of any coins generated...because they've all been created. You'd be solving blocks only for the transaction fees. For someone like myself, that's still worthwhile, at least with the free-powered gear, and I'd like to do what I can to support the network (I run a full node now). The key would be as to whether folks like Kano could afford/would want to run pools at that point. If there's another, more appropriate, place to talk this thing over, please post a link. I find it intriguing. That is in the original design spec by satoshi http://kano.is/bitcoin.pdfPage 4: 6. Incentive To be blunt, any 'bitcoin experts' who can't see that working with the design, are only into bitcoin for the short term. Pump and dump like altcoins. Also one of the reasons why I dislike what core devs are trying to do bitcoin, give them more centralised control and break that design with LN. you happen to be right. btc is the highway of life for all alt coins. don't fuck with the highway. An endless parade of alt coin variations that use btc as the bed rock path to fiat works far better then fucking with the bedrock of crypto coins (BTC) |
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firetreeactual
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February 08, 2017, 04:47:30 AM |
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I think you're both right. I'll be sticking with it, so long as it doesn't break me.
Mine on.
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To infinity and beyond...on two 741s and one of only 3...nope, make that 4...full nodes in Hawaii...on <30A. (I have other gear on the Hoth ice planet)
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AriesIV10
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February 08, 2017, 03:51:53 PM |
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Is there an issue with S9 Batch 1 on Kano?
If I change the firmware to the most current firmware, will this take care of the issue if there is one?
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February 08, 2017, 04:07:05 PM |
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Is there an issue with S9 Batch 1 on Kano?
If I change the firmware to the most current firmware, will this take care of the issue if there is one?
It's not so much 'on kano' as the fact the kano-san does much statistical analysis of the pool data and it has shown that the S9 units running the v1 firmware seem to have lower luck, so much so it appears to be more than just variance. So he has requested those with S9's running the v1 firmware upgrade to v2. |
I don't believe in superstition because it's bad luck: 13thF1oor6CAwyzyxXPNnRvu3nhhYeqZdc
These aren't the Droids you're looking for: S5 & S7 (Sold), R4B2, R4B4 (RIP), 2x S9 obsolete, 2xS15-28, S17-56, S17-70
Pushing a whopping 1/5 PH! Oh The SPEED!!!
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AriesIV10
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February 08, 2017, 04:11:41 PM |
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Is there an issue with S9 Batch 1 on Kano?
If I change the firmware to the most current firmware, will this take care of the issue if there is one?
It's not so much 'on kano' as the fact the kano-san does much statistical analysis of the pool data and it has shown that the S9 units running the v1 firmware seem to have lower luck, so much so it appears to be more than just variance. So he has requested those with S9's running the v1 firmware upgrade to v2. Thanks for the information! I am moving mining here. |
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February 08, 2017, 05:04:30 PM |
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Is there an issue with S9 Batch 1 on Kano?
If I change the firmware to the most current firmware, will this take care of the issue if there is one?
most likely than not it will mess up your miner. it did for mine, temperatures rose to much higher than 100C. If you want to follow the 'rule', point v1 elsewhere and v2 here, however, he did not post latest statistics yet. Maybe the "effect" disappeared, maybe not. I would like to see how the stats are in the last, say, 3 mo. |
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February 08, 2017, 05:11:52 PM |
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I upgraded all mine to v2, had to adjust the starting frequency for most of them but if they are in a datacenter kept nice and cool they should be fine.
If you run them at home, then no don't upgrade to v2, you lose the ability to control the fans as it all becomes automated in the software. So they run hotter and faster.
That being said, any new S9/T9 will have the same v2 firmware so you would be in the same boat if buying new machines.
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AriesIV10
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February 08, 2017, 05:59:50 PM |
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I upgraded all mine to v2, had to adjust the starting frequency for most of them but if they are in a datacenter kept nice and cool they should be fine.
If you run them at home, then no don't upgrade to v2, you lose the ability to control the fans as it all becomes automated in the software. So they run hotter and faster.
That being said, any new S9/T9 will have the same v2 firmware so you would be in the same boat if buying new machines.
I did bring the S9B1 to Kano and upgraded to v2. It did not seem to have any problems and the Temp(PCB) are 53 54 54 and Temp(Chip) are 86 87 86, so all is good! Thanks for the advice - That is what I appreciate about this pool. I may bring over some more hash later on. Mine On! |
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firetreeactual
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February 08, 2017, 06:16:06 PM |
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FWIW...someone asked, so...I think Kano has metered his 741 as well, but this is what I'm finding after three days online. It's running 7.5-8TH steadily; temps 31/95; fan runs around 65-70% depending on time of day/ambient. Meter showed as much as 1400W (this is at 110V/60HZ) at the wall when ramping up, but is now running fairly steadily at 1200W or less. It's drawing almost identically to the A721 next to it, and to the A6 it replaced. I'm in the tropics here, with ambient a bit low at night this time of year (around 60F) and around 80-85F during the day, but the temp in my flat is around 75 during the day due to the trade winds and good circulation. No A/C. It's running on the same RPi3 as the 721. Also a useless factoid, but caught my attention...these two boxes (721/741) put out more hash than all the S2s, S3s, and S7s I've ever owned all put together. Ain't technology grand?  EDIT: I take that back...not the S7s...they're still cranking away in Sled Dog Land...but still holds for the two S2s, ten S3s, and assorted mongo GPUs in the early days. |
To infinity and beyond...on two 741s and one of only 3...nope, make that 4...full nodes in Hawaii...on <30A. (I have other gear on the Hoth ice planet)
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AriesIV10
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February 08, 2017, 07:36:14 PM |
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What is the average time to achieve 100% 5Nd at this hashrate?
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VRobb
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February 08, 2017, 07:47:39 PM |
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Just over 5 days for 5ND at current hash if my calculations are correct. |
I don't believe in superstition because it's bad luck: 13thF1oor6CAwyzyxXPNnRvu3nhhYeqZdc
These aren't the Droids you're looking for: S5 & S7 (Sold), R4B2, R4B4 (RIP), 2x S9 obsolete, 2xS15-28, S17-56, S17-70
Pushing a whopping 1/5 PH! Oh The SPEED!!!
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February 08, 2017, 08:12:01 PM |
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We saw this in the past, it might be someone with a fat click error like 0.01 without the 0.0 ;-) I think a pool admin did return the BTC to the owner of a big fees mistake last year. Cannot remember which one. |
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February 08, 2017, 09:29:24 PM |
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We saw this in the past, it might be someone with a fat click error like 0.01 without the 0.0 ;-) I think a pool admin did return the BTC to the owner of a big fees mistake last year. Cannot remember which one. I remember that happening as well...before my time in this pool...can't remember which, either. But then, I usually can't remember what I had for dinner last night....comes with living hard and old age, methinks.  |
To infinity and beyond...on two 741s and one of only 3...nope, make that 4...full nodes in Hawaii...on <30A. (I have other gear on the Hoth ice planet)
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February 08, 2017, 09:37:26 PM |
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We saw this in the past, it might be someone with a fat click error like 0.01 without the 0.0 ;-) I think a pool admin did return the BTC to the owner of a big fees mistake last year. Cannot remember which one. I remember that happening as well...before my time in this pool...can't remember which, either. But then, I usually can't remember what I had for dinner last night....comes with living hard and old age, methinks. 97 btc fee and anthill or f2pool sent it back. but like you i lived hard for quite a few years so quite a bit gets forgotten. |
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February 08, 2017, 09:39:32 PM |
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We saw this in the past, it might be someone with a fat click error like 0.01 without the 0.0 ;-) I think a pool admin did return the BTC to the owner of a big fees mistake last year. Cannot remember which one. I remember that happening as well...before my time in this pool...can't remember which, either. But then, I usually can't remember what I had for dinner last night....comes with living hard and old age, methinks. 97 btc fee and anthill or f2pool sent it back. but like you i lived hard for quite a few years so quite a bit gets forgotten. Be gentle on both of you please ;-) |
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February 08, 2017, 09:41:40 PM |
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We saw this in the past, it might be someone with a fat click error like 0.01 without the 0.0 ;-) I think a pool admin did return the BTC to the owner of a big fees mistake last year. Cannot remember which one. I remember that happening as well...before my time in this pool...can't remember which, either. But then, I usually can't remember what I had for dinner last night....comes with living hard and old age, methinks. 97 btc fee and anthill or f2pool sent it back. but like you i lived hard for quite a few years so quite a bit gets forgotten. Be gentle on both of you please ;-) What were you guys talking about..I can't remember   |
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kano (OP)
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February 08, 2017, 09:43:25 PM |
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What is the average time to achieve 100% 5Nd at this hashrate?
The payouts help page says what it is based on the current 'day' hash rate (though that does change around a bit) https://kano.is/index.php?k=payoutAs VRobb said a bit over 5 days or The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 20.66PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 5days 2hrs.
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