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January 03, 2017, 10:12:48 PM
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The size of a miner is completely irrelevant.  Hash is hash.  There is no such thing as a miner draining the pool (unless he's purposefully withholding blocks), or for that matter a smaller miner somehow making a larger miner's hash less wasted.  Miner 1 has no impact on the probability of miner 2 hitting a block, regardless of the hash rates of either miner.

Remember... that guy with 1.4PH could have a warehouse with 100 S9s, or 234 A721s, or 1273 S5s or 3091 S3.  His hardware is no different than the guy with a single S3 in his basement... he just happens to have a whole lot more of it.

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January 03, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
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388017   12/Dec 12:21   25.21414810   397.780G   105hr 45m 5s   4.49PHs   0.00%

First block found when I started minning here. pool hash at 4.49 and just over a year ago and still going.

How about that BTC price.

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January 03, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
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388017   12/Dec 12:21   25.21414810   397.780G   105hr 45m 5s   4.49PHs   0.00%

First block found when I started minning here. pool hash at 4.49 and just over a year ago and still going.

How about that BTC price.

Yeah 1020 or higher is very nice.

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January 04, 2017, 12:23:53 AM
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The size of a miner is completely irrelevant.  Hash is hash.  There is no such thing as a miner draining the pool (unless he's purposefully withholding blocks), or for that matter a smaller miner somehow making a larger miner's hash less wasted.  Miner 1 has no impact on the probability of miner 2 hitting a block, regardless of the hash rates of either miner.

Remember... that guy with 1.4PH could have a warehouse with 100 S9s, or 234 A721s, or 1273 S5s or 3091 S3.  His hardware is no different than the guy with a single S3 in his basement... he just happens to have a whole lot more of it.
Yes, hash is hash. However, a pool stratum server can be overwhelmed with too many TCP connections by attackers with numerous low hash miners. It is my understanding that some pool operators have set minimum hash rate in order to protect pool resources from this form of attack. Although, I could be mistaken.

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January 04, 2017, 12:32:21 AM
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The size of a miner is completely irrelevant.  Hash is hash.  There is no such thing as a miner draining the pool (unless he's purposefully withholding blocks), or for that matter a smaller miner somehow making a larger miner's hash less wasted.  Miner 1 has no impact on the probability of miner 2 hitting a block, regardless of the hash rates of either miner.

Remember... that guy with 1.4PH could have a warehouse with 100 S9s, or 234 A721s, or 1273 S5s or 3091 S3.  His hardware is no different than the guy with a single S3 in his basement... he just happens to have a whole lot more of it.
Yes, hash is hash. However, a pool stratum server can be overwhelmed with too many TCP connections by attackers with numerous low hash miners. It is my understanding that some pool operators have set minimum hash rate in order to protect pool resources from this form of attack. Although, I could be mistaken.
   Sorta, the thought is to set a reasonable min. that can fend off BOTNET's of pirated CPU power, then filter out the absolute absurdly too small like a single U2 @1.6Gh/s mostly because it will struggle to even keep a pool connection these days let alone receive anything more than a couple satoshi per pool block in dust.
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January 04, 2017, 01:21:07 AM
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The size of a miner is completely irrelevant.  Hash is hash.  There is no such thing as a miner draining the pool (unless he's purposefully withholding blocks), or for that matter a smaller miner somehow making a larger miner's hash less wasted.  Miner 1 has no impact on the probability of miner 2 hitting a block, regardless of the hash rates of either miner.

Remember... that guy with 1.4PH could have a warehouse with 100 S9s, or 234 A721s, or 1273 S5s or 3091 S3.  His hardware is no different than the guy with a single S3 in his basement... he just happens to have a whole lot more of it.
Yes, hash is hash. However, a pool stratum server can be overwhelmed with too many TCP connections by attackers with numerous low hash miners. It is my understanding that some pool operators have set minimum hash rate in order to protect pool resources from this form of attack. Although, I could be mistaken.
On a pool run using software that requires a lot of hardware and can't grow without concerns, that may be the case.

That, of course, is not the case here.
Here, the number that has an effect on the network is simply just "Workers" and that relates pretty close to the actual limiting number: total SPS (shares per second)

A botnet wont actually affect SPS since e.g. it takes ~500 thousand CPU miners to match an S9.
The main reason I don't allow botnets is coz they waste resources and directly represent someone stealing from someone else. No one runs a botnet they pay for unless they are a moron. I'll save those morons some money by not allowing them to mine here.

If there were botnets mining here, then it would affect the the total time it takes to send out a block change.
That would show as a higher than normal rate of stale and orphan blocks.
Of course, everyone would also be able to see the botnets due to there being a silly high "Workers" count.

I block CPU and GPU miners coz they are a waste of resources and I don't want them here wasting resources.
Consider that, on a work change, a 1PHs proxy requires as much network as a CPU miner - so yep it's a complete waste.

Aside: as the pool stands at the moment, it would be well over a few hundred PHs before I 'might' start to notice performance problems.
The code is well threaded in both cases, ckpool and ckdb, and in the case of ckpool, automatically increases threads as needed, and ckdb, I can tell it to add threads as needed, while running, but the main server is far from caring about the workload Smiley

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January 04, 2017, 01:54:46 AM
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Arigato, kano-san mate. I love hearing about the "under the bonnet" goings on!  Cool

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January 04, 2017, 03:53:30 AM
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Arigato, kano-san mate. I love hearing about the "under the bonnet" goings on!  Cool

One of the many reasons this pool is for me! Cheesy

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January 04, 2017, 05:08:03 AM
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When I first started here we were at 1.79PHs and I was making way more than any other pool I was on previously by far.  The actual size of the pool is not as important as your level of patience and your ability to tolerate variance. Grin

These posts made me look back, been here a while and quite happy with the pool. Luck is luck and it all equals out in the long run.

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January 04, 2017, 11:03:49 AM
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Would you prefer miners with a certain number of workers aggregate them behind a proxy?
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January 04, 2017, 11:13:59 AM
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Would you prefer miners with a certain number of workers aggregate them behind a proxy?
Well if you use a proxy it reduces the amount of data being transferred and thus speeds things up a little for both you and the pool.
Especially if you have hundreds of miners.

Running ckproxy in standard proxy mode would normally only get one work item every 30 seconds then break that down to each of the miners talking to the proxy.
There is a point where it will make extra connections to handle more miners, but it's still only one connection per a sizeable number of miners.

If you run ckproxy in passthru mode it doesn't really make any noticeable difference since each miner will effectively have it's own work and connection.

Running a proxy will increase your share variance - but only relative to how many miners you have.
In general it wont really be a noticeable increase in variance.

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January 04, 2017, 03:17:01 PM
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...Running ckproxy in standard proxy mode would normally only get one work item every 30 seconds then break that down to each of the miners talking to the proxy.
There is a point where it will make extra connections to handle more miners, but it's still only one connection per a sizeable number of miners.
...Running a proxy will increase your share variance - but only relative to how many miners you have.
In general it wont really be a noticeable increase in variance.
The only way it could be better is if you didn't hate Windows so much.  Tongue

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January 04, 2017, 03:49:18 PM
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Block by loki76 with 15.16TH/s!  Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block!  This is our 1st of the day!  Cheesy

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January 04, 2017, 03:55:16 PM
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...Running ckproxy in standard proxy mode would normally only get one work item every 30 seconds then break that down to each of the miners talking to the proxy.
There is a point where it will make extra connections to handle more miners, but it's still only one connection per a sizeable number of miners.
...Running a proxy will increase your share variance - but only relative to how many miners you have.
In general it wont really be a noticeable increase in variance.
The only way it could be better is if you didn't hate Windows so much.  Tongue
I don't use windows at all - so no idea what you are referring to.

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January 04, 2017, 04:09:44 PM
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The only way it could be better is if you didn't hate Windows so much.  Tongue
I don't use windows at all - so no idea what you are referring to.
That was my point.  Tongue

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January 04, 2017, 04:23:43 PM
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The only way it could be better is if you didn't hate Windows so much.  Tongue
I don't use windows at all - so no idea what you are referring to.
That was my point.  Tongue
If you think I should write windows programs, then no, no chance of that - I don't do that.
I'll leave that to you to do since you want it.

I need an OS that's reliable and isn't under control of a company who shuts it down whenever they feel like it and track everything you do so that someone can write a virus to look at all your key logs and typed passwords etc etc

I could also point out to you that Avalon and Bitmain miners don't use windows either ...
A proxy needs to keep running under your control, not under some companies control that decides your proxy can be shutdown when they feel like it ...

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January 04, 2017, 04:34:25 PM
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I was j/k.  I seem to remember a prior comment from one of you guys about choosing death over dev for Windows and it was all funny in my head. Tongue  Cry

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January 04, 2017, 04:35:25 PM
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The only way it could be better is if you didn't hate Windows so much.  Tongue
I don't use windows at all - so no idea what you are referring to.
That was my point.  Tongue
If you think I should write windows programs, then no, no chance of that - I don't do that.
I'll leave that to you to do since you want it.

I need an OS that's reliable and isn't under control of a company who shuts it down whenever they feel like it and track everything you do so that someone can write a virus to look at all your key logs and typed passwords etc etc

I could also point out to you that Avalon and Bitmain miners don't use windows either ...
A proxy needs to keep running under your control, not under some companies control that decides your proxy can be shutdown when they feel like it ...

I am and never was a big windows fan.

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January 04, 2017, 04:39:32 PM
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I am and never was a big windows fan.
Neither am I; I guess if I was as funny as I find myself, then I'd be a comic for a living and not a miner.  Undecided

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I was j/k.  I seem to remember a prior comment from one of you guys about choosing death over dev for Windows and it was all funny in my head. Tongue  Cry
I dunno how old you are...I know it says "retired," but these days people "retire" at 40. I'm 68, and I wrote my first code in 1960 using FORTRAN (that's FORTRAN I...where you had to construct you own DO loops), and with paper tape. Punch cards came later. CRTs MUCH later.

I have nothing Microsoft in my house...not that it wasn't elstwhise not that long ago (3 yrs). I kept a Windows box around just for troubleshooting other people's machines, but no more. I share Kano's view completely. Win10 was what really did it for me, and it only gets worse with each new iteration. So...that's why the only Windows in this house are made of glass (...well, there's one that's polycarbonate, but...). IMHO...one who believes Windows is neater than pre-sliced bread...has never tasted homemade bread.

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